Honda S2000 vs. 350Z auto

I raced a 2002 Honda S2000 tonight in my 5sp auto 350Z Touring. ran about 1/5 mile.

I gotta say... that little Honda kicks a$$! I barely beat him. I was shocked! I immediately came home to hop online and check the specs on the S2000.

240hp at 8300 RPM 153 ft. lb. 0-60 5.8 and 1/4 mile in 14.4 wow! not bad on 4 cylinder 2.0 liter huh?!

I never realized how much the little S2000 had. A Z will take it but in my case it was only by a little over a car length.

Get an S2000 with some mods and expect to get spanked

DJ V.
www.raptoronline.com

Good kill. The 2 cars are very evenly matched, making it a great driver's race. Though the Z's low end torque makes it a bit easier to drive it to it's maximum performance.

I have only raced one Z so far,and I was barely able to edge him out.

Ya...Honda's good about makin a lot of bang out of small engines :p
But anyway, gj...can't wait til I get my Z (gotta sell my current car first)

You mentioned mods for the S2000. Trust me Honda already did that. Forced Induction is the only way to go, and it is expensive.
I am also very anxious to race a 350 Z...

Originally posted by Incubus
You mentioned mods for the S2000. Trust me Honda already did that. Forced Induction is the only way to go, and it is expensive.
I am also very anxious to race a 350 Z... um. no. you would be wrong. you don't have to go FI to get more out of the S2k.

your first mistake was trying to race with an AT. that's why the S nearly ate your lunch. :D

it wouldn't have been nearly so close with an MT.

do your homework spanky, or some Si brat is gonna chew you up in front of his teenie boppin friends...wouldn't that suck.

The 5AT and 6MT are not that far off in 0-60 or 1/4 mile times.... I've done a 0-60 in as little as 5.7 in my 5AT and 14.2 quarter mile in the stock config....

No VTEC shitbox is gonna take me any longer cause I've done some mods since 10-11-02 (when I first posted this)

I've got over 305hp at the crank now.... more on the way.....

I dare a NA rice rocket to play with me......

This is for N74DV,
I agree with you. I don't think the manual is much faster than the auto. The reason I think is all that torque.
By the way 305hp. at the crank...sounds like all you've done is exhaust, and possible induction. I would be interested in what you've done, since I also have an auto 350Z.
When I disengage traction, hold the brake just a little, and punch it, you had better hold on. I couldn't amagine the average driver being much quicker with the manual.
My only complaint is that the auto in manual isn't as responsive as I'd like.
Check out that Stillen supercharger...

Originally posted by N74DV
The 5AT and 6MT are not that far off in 0-60 or 1/4 mile times.... I've done a 0-60 in as little as 5.7 in my 5AT and 14.2 quarter mile in the stock config....

No VTEC shitbox is gonna take me any longer cause I've done some mods since 10-11-02 (when I first posted this)

I've got over 305hp at the crank now.... more on the way.....

I dare a NA rice rocket to play with me......

Unless you remove the engine and put it on an engine dyno or are able to calculate every mechanical loss from the crank to the wheels, you have no clue how much power your car puts out.

Put it on an actual dyno and see how much power gets to the wheels instead of making gay estimates. If all you did was a full exhaust and intake don't expect more than a gain of 15 or so HP.

gay estimates?! the Z has approx 14-17% drivetrain loss...

Originally posted by N74DV
gay estimates?! the Z has approx 14-17% drivetrain loss...

So what.

Did you dyno it?

If so, why didn't you tell us those numbers insead of guessing the crank HP?

Wheel hp is what counts since thats how much is actually being put to the ground. I smell BS.

The Z has approx 287 at the crank in the stock configuration.

Intake, Borla headers and Borla Dual exhaust as well as lightened pulleys bring the crank HP to about 305-310. There's no guesswork here...

Do the math... assume a loss of 15% and the figure at the wheels is 263hp

Before you second guess me why don't you educate yourself a bit on the '03 Z ??

your just jealous dude..... It's ok... I'd be jealous also if I was forced to drive an Eagle.... I think that BS you smell is coming from the ass end of your ride.

"I dare a NA rice rocket to play with me......"quoting N74DV

Hopefully when you say "rice rocket" your'e not talking about a two wheeled one!(If you are. you need your head examined) It's funny hearing you bash the S2, seems like someone's a little upset that a 4-cyl can hang with his 6. Here we have mister "I'm cool because of my car" Seems to me you're thinking your Z is some sort of Ferrari or something. Get a life man, you don't have to bash other people's rides to make your'self feel better.(or maybe You do)

wow... you totally missed my feeling of the S2K

Read my first post... if anything I was giving it kudos. I think it's one fast ass car.

I was bashing the guy who seems to think my car does not put out 310hp. WTF does he know?

Go back and read the post before you bash me... some of you are f'ing morons

Originally posted by N74DV
The Z has approx 287 at the crank in the stock configuration.

Intake, Borla headers and Borla Dual exhaust as well as lightened pulleys bring the crank HP to about 305-310. There's no guesswork here...

Do the math... assume a loss of 15% and the figure at the wheels is 263hp

Before you second guess me why don't you educate yourself a bit on the '03 Z ??

your just jealous dude..... It's ok... I'd be jealous also if I was forced to drive an Eagle.... I think that BS you smell is coming from the ass end of your ride.



Actually It's all guesswork since your not measuring anything only estimating.

Why should I educate my self on the Z I'm not putting the car down I just find it gay when people make up hp numbers.

I'm assuming your an idiot and don't know that an Eagle Talon TSI AWD is carbon copy of the Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX. Anyone will tell you DSMs are a force to be reckoned with. Get ready to have your ass handed to you if you meet a new EVO on the street.

I'm not jealous of an auto:lol: 350Z.

Actually, I read that the Z puts @ 246 - 250 horsepower at the wheels stock in both auto and manual depending upon the weather conditions etc...

I'm holding off on the dyno until the NISMO ECU is released and installed.

furthermore... If you would actually read my posts you'd see that I said I'd have no problem racing a N/A rice rocket... not a TURBO with boost controller and other mods...

Without the Turbo a Mistu GSX would never hang with a Z... just wait 'til GReddy releases the TT kit for the Z. That combined with other Stage 3 mods puts about 420+ hp to the wheels....

Step aside Mistu, Honda, Subaru.... the Z will be leaving you far behind... :)

How many miles do you have on your Z? I also heared that after the break in period the car runs quicker? Did you notice a difference?

at about 2,000 miles the car really seemed to come alive.

I currently have 12,000 miles.... been driving it since last October. Have taken many road trips since then....

Even got to do some runs on the GM Proving grounds here in AZ where I was able to top it out at 157mph....

Originally posted by N74DV
The 5AT and 6MT are not that far off in 0-60 or 1/4 mile times.... I've done a 0-60 in as little as 5.7 in my 5AT and 14.2 quarter mile in the stock config....

No VTEC shitbox is gonna take me any longer cause I've done some mods since 10-11-02 (when I first posted this)

I've got over 305hp at the crank now.... more on the way.....

I dare a NA rice rocket to play with me......

my friend has a '00 ITR thats soooo stripped, slicks on the front, forged rods, 11.5:1 pistons, stroke and bore, stage 3 cams, stage 3 clutch, 8lb flywheel, no cat, i/h/e, plugs, plug wires, port and polish, vtec controller set at 4k, tuned ecu, and a bunch of other goodies.. he runs mid 11s... mess with him :P

hmmm we're in the street racing forums but i don't see the regulars here. this is weird. anyways, wow i never knew that a AT Z33 is that fast.

Yeah sorry to mis-inturpret you. I just hate all the bashing crap that goes on in the forums. People don't get it, if you drive an Enzo or something it still doesn't put you on a pedastal over others. Possesions have a way of doing that to people. SC that Z man- cheers.

How the hell did this thing get resurrected?

If you notice, the last post before the ones posted a few days ago were from October...

Start a new thread if you have to...old conversations can be taken out of context, especially if there's people in it that might not be posting here anymore.

I was pretty shocked to see that it came back to life....

Apparently a troll came through and decided to make his presence known.

and by the way..... I'm no stuck up, conceited arrogant ass who thinks his Z is a Ferarri... I said what I said for the sole intent of pissing off that Talon prick....

F'ing troll.....:iceslolan

i never saw it the first time

Originally posted by N74DV
I'm holding off on the dyno until the NISMO ECU is released and installed.

furthermore... If you would actually read my posts you'd see that I said I'd have no problem racing a N/A rice rocket... not a TURBO with boost controller and other mods...

Without the Turbo a Mistu GSX would never hang with a Z... just wait 'til GReddy releases the TT kit for the Z. That combined with other Stage 3 mods puts about 420+ hp to the wheels....

Step aside Mistu, Honda, Subaru.... the Z will be leaving you far behind... :)


Wow your a big man taking on cars with two less cylinders in most cases and about 160 hp.

The turbo is the equalizer for your advantage.

You can call me a prick and troll all you like your just upset that I pointed out the fact that you said your not afraid to race cars that have two less cylinders and half the torque and horsepower you do, and when I mention a turbo four that would leave you in the dust you back off.

You just proved me right you never put it on a dyno and guessed and estimated the hp numbers.

Strange how someone that has his head so far up his ass b/c of the car he owns doesn't mention it in his profile.

A troll??? That must be cool guy forum talk, us newbie's probably aren't cool enough yet to use the term. So degrading, a TROLL. Wow

BTW, race a Lancer Evo and get your a$$ handed to you

I sure hate to see hondyke owners gang up on someone who owns such a fine automobile such as a 350Z. First of all, he was giving props to the S2000 for being quick. Then you all gang up on him for ESTIMATING his horsepower numbers? I'm not a barber, but I see a lot of hair-splitting going on. And where did the Evolution get into all this? Of course it could hand its ass to him, because it was made to be faster. Hell I could say "prepare to get owned by a Bugatti Veyeron" and it would make just as much sense. It just seems like you guys are just looking for a flame war just for the hell of it.

Originally posted by N74DV
I'm holding off on the dyno until the NISMO ECU is released and installed.

furthermore... If you would actually read my posts you'd see that I said I'd have no problem racing a N/A rice rocket... not a TURBO with boost controller and other mods...

Without the Turbo a Mistu GSX would never hang with a Z... just wait 'til GReddy releases the TT kit for the Z. That combined with other Stage 3 mods puts about 420+ hp to the wheels....

Step aside Mistu, Honda, Subaru.... the Z will be leaving you far behind... :)


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your Z won't be leaving a honda far behind. You are not the only one who can get stage 3 mods.

yeah but....... a honda at stage 3 and a Z at stage 3 ..... sorry but the Z will take it... plus the Z will out handle a Honda in most cases.... forget the straight line shit.... go for the big picture.

In the grand scope of things the Z is better than a Honda.... if you try to argue with that then you're :icon16:

Originally posted by N74DV
yeah but....... a honda at stage 3 and a Z at stage 3 ..... sorry but the Z will take it... plus the Z will out handle a Honda in most cases.... forget the straight line shit.... go for the big picture.

In the grand scope of things the Z is better than a Honda.... if you try to argue with that then you're :icon16:

Alright. First of all, I am a Nissan driver, and a long-time Honda driver, among other makes I've owned, including domestic brands. Second, I am NOT going to tolerate this "my shit is better than yours" dick-size comparisons on here.

ANYBODY can pull out instances where this car did better than this car here, or that did better there.

Just like in the most recent roadster tests (Motor Trend, Car and Driver), the Honda S2000 waxed most everybody in the comparo, INCLUDING the new 350Z roadster. But then, the magazines consistently run faster times with the 350z vs the S2000, even though both camps have reported beating each other. But who cares?

When it comes down to it, car buying will ALWAYS be subjective. What somebody else sees as an asset for one car, will not be tolerated by another. You might think that your Z better than an S or whatever, but a Cobra driver might think both of your cars are crap. Big deal.

If you want to brag about how you beat a Honda on the street/track, so be it, this is the place for it...run what you brung. If you want to espouse how wonderful your car is, take it to the Car Comparisons (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f666/) forum.

-- One Annoyed Moderator

just for the record.... let it be known I did not hijack this thread in that direction.. you can read my original post and see that I was in fact impressed with the S2000 when it ran against me.

It wasn't until some ricerocket morons started jabbing me that I became defensive.



one annoyed Z driver

Originally posted by N74DV
just for the record.... let it be known I did not hijack this thread in that direction.. you can read my original post and see that I was in fact impressed with the S2000 when it ran against me.

It wasn't until some ricerocket morons started jabbing me that I became defensive.



one annoyed Z driver

Noted. That warning wasn't just for you, that was also for anybody else that gets the idea.

You made your points.

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