I Cant Make Up My Mind...!!!

I Dnt Know If I Should Trade My 2005 Ga For A 2005 Srt 4...
My Ga Has 44,000 Miles.......the Srt Has 28,000.......
I Need Help Making Up My Mind......

I Dnt Know If I Should Trade My 2005 Ga For A 2005 Srt 4...
My Ga Has 44,000 Miles.......the Srt Has 28,000.......
I Need Help Making Up My Mind......

SRT-4 is faster stock, but Xero's grand am is faster than an SRT-4, and without boost. Whatever you want to do. You can get a grand am into the 12's with ridiculous amounts of money and time, or you can probably break 11's with an SRT-4. Just think about what your GOAL is with a car. Do you want to just have casual fun, or go all-out racing? If you plan to just go for all-out racing, a grand am probably isn't your car. If you want the ultimate sleeper, hellz yeah grand am roxxors :)

srt4 = :thumbsdow :gay:

its still a turbo neon but srt-4 might be better if 'faster' is what you want as your goal car like vipey said... there isnt much you'd have to change on the srt-4 to make it go faster... bigger turbo, change up the ecu, intake, exhaust w/e works... 4cylc are better to build upon mainly due to price on parts... and I should know grand am performance parts dont come easy lol

I might be looking into owning a 2nd car, a awd talon tsi w/ a 23psi turbo and water/meth kit and all sorts of goodies.... old but it'd be a fun project car, the GA is still just my quick daily driver :grinno:

well i want to go all-out racing but i dont want to spend too much time fixing up a car.....if ima put 5g's on da GA might as well buy the srt right?????

well i want to go all-out racing but i dont want to spend too much time fixing up a car.....if ima put 5g's on da GA might as well buy the srt right?????

yea, what im saying is... with the srt-4 you have a good platform to build upon in the future

5g's on a GA wont do much lol, you can sell the GA, buy the srt-4 and have money left over for small upgrades on the srt-4...:rolleyes:

yeah i think ima go wit the srt....and good luck wit the eagle talon....

talons are way the hell faster than SRT-4's with 23 psi :) You can run 1g dsm's with 2g pistons up to 28 psi before they explode. Image how fast that would be :D and AWD!!!

Ya but 28 psi in a GA :lol2:

you are talking about a 10 second GA for sure.
1lb of boost = aprox 10HP :D

ANd I doubt if you'll have any money left over when you buy the srt-4 :grinno:

I'll post a pic of my new ricer later,
it was given to me for a tow bill :naughty:

In the last year I have replaced 3 engines in SRT-4s due to overheating/spun bearings and massive internal damages. Cost $3-5k for repairs :disappoin

I havent replaced any GM engines in the last 2 years.
Not due to damage anyways.

Good Luck though, its what you like and want that counts dont let others pressure you :lol:

I wouldn't reccomend a SRT4. I've heard a lot of people having more problems with them then it's worth. Plus i saw on the net that on the SRT4, that the engine bearings can't put up with the intense pressure from the boost and tend to end up breaking and spinning at low miles... therefore. NEW engine needed! SO therefore I wouldn't recommend it! What's the rush for a new car anyways? you have an 05 G/A... if you are looking for fast and the furious, stay away from the import scene, it's more trouble then it's worth!

well if i was to get the srt i wouldnt want to do nthing to it...all i would do is put a intake and a a bov.....its already fast as is....

well if i was to get the srt i wouldnt want to do nthing to it...all i would do is put a intake and a a bov.....its already fast as is....

Now Dont confuse your verbs no_import2007.
It might be quick, but I doubt its all thatfast.

here is my soon to be(non-import) ricer :rolleyes:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/xeroinfinity/Pos102.jpg

How much psi can a grand am handle with MMS stage 2 equipment and forged pistons?

How much psi can a grand am handle with MMS stage 2 equipment and forged pistons?


:dunno:

Boost, and let us all know :iceslolan

stock probly not muchmore then 12-15psi.

with forged parts I dont know anyone who has pushed that envelope :dunno:

well its faster than the GA

well its faster than the GA

not faster then my GA's :grinno:
I dont think a little riceer wiill do 145mph :grinno:

it can do more watch this video


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it can do more watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/v/cd4Ha9eonWc

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And srt-4s arent all that bad, if built right... theres tons of them built up here in austin.... some doing 500-700hp but thats just 1 or 2 :D

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You havent seen Xero's GA :p

Many people mod srt-4's because they are already made to run fast (lightweight and cheap to mod as well). Grand ams are expensive to mod and a little heavier and probably don't have the handling. That doesn't mean they can't run fast. I might go boost on mine someday with all stage2/stage3 parts and forged pistons and see what this little critter can do (and put SRT-4's to shame!).

After this summer mine will be kinda of built like Xero's I think (I'll be about the speed of an SRT-4), but a good half second or so away in quarter.

OH and don't forget... the insurance on an SRT-4 and gas money and all that is going to be wayyyy more than a grand am. The funny thing is, Xero's grand am (and mine probably after this summer) won't even be boosted, and they're still as fast if not faster than an SRT-4.

OH and don't forget... the insurance on an SRT-4 and gas money and all that is going to be wayyyy more than a grand am. The funny thing is, Xero's grand am (and mine probably after this summer) won't even be boosted, and they're still as fast if not faster than an SRT-4.

man, share the wealth :grinyes:

I only plan for MMS stageII kit w/ RSM supercharger and swapped GT Trans hopefully with GTP HD conversion kit from MMS, gotta keep an eye on that one ;)

but thats just 'the dream' lol... Im in between getting my headers right now or not.... Ive driven and been in some fast cars lately... and I thought the GA was fast, lol my bubble was pop'd :smooch:

turbo would be nice, but it just seems a little complicated w/ the way the GA is setup, the SC would be fine w/ me, ill have to keep in touch with tune shops and see about smaller pulleys and such, I might start my credit getting a loan from the bank for the SC, I could save easy for 2 1/2 months for the MMS stgII buildup.... that i'll actually save up for myself, feel accomplished and broke at the same time lol

I could save for another car but I'm not sure. I wouldn't mind getting a talon either but I don't know A) how reliable they would be once I got one and B) where the hell I'd get one and C) where I'd put my GA since I definitely don't want to sell it (because it's reliable) and I definitely will need a second car when I mod it or if something goes wrong. Can't really "trade" a grand am into the stealership for a 90-94 talon considering i doubt any dealership HAS any talons (especially around here, even though i saw a laser RS, talon Tsi, and eclipse in the same performance place i went to the other day) to purchase.

It's a big complicated mess. I have half a year to figure out what the hell I want to do lol. Can't get a loan for an old car either so go figure :p



man, share the wealth :grinyes:

I only plan for MMS stageII kit w/ RSM supercharger and swapped GT Trans hopefully with GTP HD conversion kit from MMS, gotta keep an eye on that one ;)

but thats just 'the dream' lol... Im in between getting my headers right now or not.... Ive driven and been in some fast cars lately... and I thought the GA was fast, lol my bubble was pop'd :smooch:

turbo would be nice, but it just seems a little complicated w/ the way the GA is setup, the SC would be fine w/ me, ill have to keep in touch with tune shops and see about smaller pulleys and such, I might start my credit getting a loan from the bank for the SC, I could save easy for 2 1/2 months for the MMS stgII buildup.... that i'll actually save up for myself, feel accomplished and broke at the same time lol

MMS's stage II is about what I have.
My cam is probly a bit different because it didnt come from him and my head specs are larger then his :p

Either way the stage II kit should put you above or @200 whp.

That srt wasnt stock!
Stock it shuts down @ 120-122mph.
And when he is suposedly doing 155+ you see the road side going by and in no way was that 155mph. :grinno:
More like KPH, with a scan tool you can remove the limiter and change the mph to kph, with a mph gauge :grinyes:

you can get a srt4 to hit low 12's with 4000$.....and thats how much a GA supercharger cost.... you tell me which ones better....

A Grand Am ?!?

Here is a cheap alternative turbo :lol:
E-TURBO FORCED AIR INDUCTION SYSTEMS (http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Search?catalogId=10101&storeId=10101&sku=eak283646)

you can get a srt4 to hit low 12's with 4000$.....and thats how much a GA supercharger cost.... you tell me which ones better....

You can get an eagle talon tsi into the 11's, 10's, and lower as well, more reliable, less insurance money, and AWD. And they dont look teh gay :gay:

you can get a srt4 to hit low 12's with 4000$.....and thats how much a GA supercharger cost.... you tell me which ones better....

its still just a neon, w/ a turbo :rolleyes: :lol:

Either way, an srt4 vs grand am, both stock is obviously no contest, turbo vs none?... yea you can spend $4000 on a srt4 but it wont do too much, big HP is more expensive... and most of that will probly go towards building up the engine so it doesnt break on that stock turbo :rofl:

thing is, you're compairing a grand am to a srt4 lol... theres no contest in between the 2, the are very different cars

If you do get the srt4 tho, go run ur stock vs other REAL cars that are stock with turbo and see how well you do...
A newer Grand Prix GT non supercharged v6 w/ automatic trans would have you beat :rofl:
You dont know what power is kiddo, theres a little more to it than turbos and fast&furious movies :smooch:

all in all, just saying :rolleyes:
Good luck if you get the srt4.

Gotta be good with manual tranny too... otherwise, auto will destroy you. That's a big part of it there as well.

Grand ams are sexier than srt-4's. If you really want a racing car, don't go fwd. It's just a bad idea. Granted it's better in winter, but man, AWD is the way to go for racing :D

a grand prix cant beat a srt....not even a gtp stock can beat a srt...if you go stock for stock srt wins....

a grand prix cant beat a srt....not even a gtp stock can beat a srt...if you go stock for stock srt wins....

And like I've said, a Corvette beats an SRT-4 stock. Why? Corvette is more money. SRT-4 is more money than a GTP, so it would make sense that it's faster (but gayer).

Talon/Laser/Eclipse or Mustang 5.0 ftw :D

a grand prix cant beat a srt....not even a gtp stock can beat a srt...if you go stock for stock srt wins....

:rofl: :rofl: :popcorn: :grinno:

know your cars man, thats all I ask lol

and yea, a newer grand prix gxp can beat a stock srt4

srt-4 is turbo'd but its still a neon, newer 04/05 neon srt4s push 230hp-ish ... the 03 has 215hp...

gxp v8 is 303hp?... in the long run you're beat kid

why are you going to compare a v8 to a 4cylinder????
plus they are double the price of a srt....
i can bet that a stage 3 srt can take a vette and the gxp....

and GIR why are u goin to say that its still a neon???
so you say that a EVO is still a lancer??
how bout a STI?

Stage 3 :confused:
Thats like more money then what the car cost new:screwy:
Might as well buy a V6 or V8 for that kinda money.
Being a stage 3 is far from stock.

Comparing an SRT to a V6-V8,
it is like comparing apples to oranges.

First time that Srt hits the ditch doing 155mph,
better hope they can use a can opener to extract your carcuss before it burns up. :yikes:

Like today, I wasted this Honda with a turbo in west lafayette, in the GT. :ylsuper:
The only way he got full boost was from a take off.

He pulls up reving the DS out of it ,
and I heard the turbo whistling & spinning,
but he just sat-n-spun while I was goooone when the light hit green!

At the next light I had to take him in the right turn lane and I went straight,
still caught right up and passed him again.
Didnt even raise my temp gauge :wave: :p

its all about the driver :thumbsup:

Stage 3 :confused:
Thats like more money then what the car cost new:screwy:
Might as well buy a V6 or V8 for that kinda money.
Being a stage 3 is far from stock.

Comparing an SRT to a V6-V8,
it is like comparing apples to oranges.

First time that Srt hits the ditch doing 155mph,
better hope they can use a can opener to extract your carcuss before it burns up. :yikes:

Like today, I wasted this Honda with a turbo in west lafayette, in the GT. :ylsuper:
The only way he got full boost was from a take off.

He pulls up reving the DS out of it ,
and I heard the turbo whistling & spinning,
but he just sat-n-spun while I was goooone when the light hit green!

At the next light I had to take him in the right turn lane and I went straight,
still caught right up and passed him again.
Didnt even raise my temp gauge :wave: :p

its all about the driver :thumbsup:

you didn't tell me you were in WLaf today :(

i did some research on the srt and it tops out at 153mph......
and to put a stage 3 on the srt you dont have to fix the internals on the motor....they can handle up to 500hp...

Sorry Vipey it was a last minute thing...
Had to goto the record store and to Hobby Lobby :rolleyes:
I did see oh about 25 silver GA's , and several 100 others.

About Any engine with racing internals can handle a measly 500hp no prob.
Hell The LS1-2 can get 500hp with just a little work & money :naughty:

And they'll beat most cars on the street if you can keep traction :grinyes:

I'm probably the only GA on campus with an exhaust system (def. only SE with duals), so you'd hear/see me if it was me. Plus with as warm as it is you might hear my sub too :D

I'd have def. noticed a black, uberloud grand am with yellow interior, and would have probably waved as you looked at me confused as hell lol

oh my god i test drove the srt today and man its fast....it was a stage 2 for 18,000$ it has 16,000 miles on it....its fast.....i think i am goin to trade da GA... i was very impressed.

oh my god i test drove the srt today and man its fast....it was a stage 2 for 18,000$ it has 16,000 miles on it....its fast.....i think i am goin to trade da GA... i was very impressed.

For like 4 grand you can make a GA faster than an SRT4 lolz :D

yeah right

yeah right

stage 3 stuff for a GA, when released, will allow you to beat an srt4. and that's naturally aspirated.

ill just stick to the srt....im really impressed!!

For $18k you could buy a 98-2001 TA.

Good Luck with that SRT(Neon)... :wave:

For $18k you could buy a 98-2001 TA.

Good Luck with that SRT(Neon)... :wave:

There are soooo many trans ams and firebirds on campus... makes me sad that so many people have fast cars and I don't... yet... :p

No doubt a turbo car will be fun, hope it holds together for you especially if your going to pay $18K for it. In the end do you really think you'll be happy when you paid almost as much for a neon as you could have gotten a 2002 ram air trans am convertible 6 speed for? You'll probably be paying about the same insurance as I pay with the T/A, and in the end your going to have a modded 4 cylinder neon. Don't get me wrong im not cutting on the neon, I know they are fun, after all I have a freind who test vipers, chargers, srt4's, and almost every other chrysler high preformance car, and he still enjoys playing with a srt 4 neon, but he isn't buying one making it his only car. Before you buy it make sure you take it out in traffic in town & drive it at a normal speed, I think thats where your going to dislike it. Basically what im saying is unless your beating a srt4 like you hate it, its a boring car. Its your choice, hope you enjoy whatever buy and remember your not the only one on the road (its the old people that pull out in front of you that you need to worry about). be safe

I <3 trans ams but there are so many on campus that it would be hard for me to purchase one (and I don't have 18k lol). I like the sleeper idea better for me for now :)

My friend's SRT4 is a beast since he modded it, but it still gets beat by heavily modded camaro SS's and talons and the like. There's only so much you can do with a FWD car (then again RWD sucks for winter). AWD is teh way to go IMHO :D