GTP vs. Mazdaspeed 6/w mods

Go ahead and get your bullshit flags out......

I was at the car wash about an hour ago washing my work van. The car wash was empty except for 2 cars that were waiting on each other at the same bay for some reason. In any case I noticed the car being washed was a new G6 not the GTP version though. The other car waiting to be washed was a new Mazdaspeed 6. It was white and I must say very pimp. The car was just plain nice....

As I was leaving I went to the guy with the MS6 and asked him how his car ran. He said it was real nice and fast. I asked him if he raced it . he replyed with a yes but said his friend was the one who races it. The one that had the G6. Again wierd to me but whatever...I asked the guy if he would race me and his friend asked what I had I told him a GTP and he said for 50 bucks they would. I dont race for money but I figured I would go get the car anyway. The guys were kinda punks and I new my $50 was safe.

I was back within 10 minutes. We talked for a few more and I knew I was in trouble because I looked at the specs online before I went back and wouldnt you know he had CAI and exhaust.(side note) the exhaust was only one pipe on the passenger side and it looked like shit because the other side still had the hole for the exhaust with the crome lip. Just looked bad. I asked the guy to let me hear it and behold the sound of that turbo spooling was sweet. Like a jet getting ready to launch.

Off to the races. We went 3 times. First race we lined up at 30mph on a back road. I let him honk down the three. I was in second gear at about 2700rpm. On the third honk it was on. I pulled 1 1/2 cars on him and held it up to about 70 when I shut down...

Second race. We went from a 20mph roll. I honked this time and again I was in second. This time I put 2 cars on him and he was making up ground quick by 90 when I shut down. We end up at a light where the guy proceeds to give me the bird( in fun) and call bullshit on my car being stock. I told him I would pop the hood and he could crawl unsder it if he needed verification. He told me he think I underestimate my car. which I kind of do now.

Third time we went from a dig... This is where the bullshit kicks in. I held at 17-1800 rpm's and I yelled at him to honk which he didnt but I hear him spooling up and I went ahead and honked. He pulled me by no more than 3/4 length and when I hit second my car pulled that 3/4 back and put a half on him till about 70 where he was pulling on me. Would have took it faster but conditions were not as good as I would have liked...

I realizer this guy obviously couldnt drive for shit but this is the first real heads up race in my GTP and I was very impressed with it. I have become very good at launching it and I bet I can drop my time at the trackkkk....


It was real fun though...and I bet this guy has a new respect for a GTP...Oh and both guys were in the car. 150 lb and 200lb I would guess. and me at a slim 225lb...

am i missign somthing here? where's the racing part of this?

I have to post half of my threads and then edit the other half because it will kick me off and not post my story...dunno

with two people in the car that sounds about right.....he should be around 14.5 and with that added weight it will probably net him around 14.9ish....good kill but whats up with the short races.....30mph to 70mph is weak sauce......

Ehh, good kill. I don't call BS on your kill at all. The main reason is that turbocharged cars do have lag from a roll. Car And Driver mentioned how the Evo didn't do as well as a 350Z despite having similar horsepower from a roll. Of course it depends on the piping and the turbo size, but I dunno what they have on those Mazdaspeed6's anyways.

with two people in the car that sounds about right.....he should be around 14.5 and with that added weight it will probably net him around 14.9ish....good kill but whats up with the short races.....3070mph is weak saucemph to ......


I feel you on that I know its pretty weak. the second race was from 20-90 though. I tell you what, I have no problems taking it to the higher speeds, but with all these potholes unfixed yet and it was dark kind of keeps me slowed down a bit......

i believe it, those MS6 is like a low 14 second car stock, and if the kid couldnt drive, i believe a V6 Supercharged beating a turbocharged 4 cylinder. The torque is in your favor.

Ive always wanted to race one of those, i dont see many in michigan. Good kill

good kill no BS here everyone undestimates the gtp's

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I feel you on that I know its pretty weak. the second race was from 20-90 though. I tell you what, I have no problems taking it to the higher speeds, but with all these potholes unfixed yet and it was dark kind of keeps me slowed down a bit......

yeah if you find a better road take it up alittle further.....the speeds you guys raced at could be done in a single gear....

Ehh, good kill. I don't call BS on your kill at all. The main reason is that turbocharged cars do have lag from a roll. Car And Driver mentioned how the Evo didn't do as well as a 350Z despite having similar horsepower from a roll. Of course it depends on the piping and the turbo size, but I dunno what they have on those Mazdaspeed6's anyways.

yeah it does depend on the size of the turbo cause racing from a roll in the srt is my best bet.....I mean I could launch ok but from a roll I dont have to worry about wheel spin as much.....

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I feel you on that I know its pretty weak. the second race was from 20-90 though. I tell you what, I have no problems taking it to the higher speeds, but with all these potholes unfixed yet and it was dark kind of keeps me slowed down a bit......Racing conditions have been bad round here too. Not pothols though, there not to bad, wet roads. How fast will any of you guys go on wet roads? I guess I'm not to sure about traction on wet roads at higher speeds, but I do know its reduced, but by how much? If it weren't for these wet roads I woulda raced another truck saturday nite.

the GTP is def a underrated sleeper... i dunno how many people have been more than a little suprised when i've beaten them... they just dont expect it from a gand prix.

*Pulls out BS flag*
*reads story that makes me think: 'Hmm, thats definately possible'*
*Thinks: Good kill, very good indeed*

Wait a minute...you ass! I got out my BS flag and now I can't use it. Crap.

The MS6 uses a warner Ko4 turbo (Which is the direct bolt on upgraded turbo for my jetta.) Which is a small quick spooling turbo that generally produces more torque at a lower RPM range, and after mods shows to produce more torque over Horsepower. I wouldnt say you have too much weight advantage because both of your cars are fairly heavy. I would have to say the guy you raced had the car in 3rd gear when you started because had he had it in 2nd he wouldnt have had a problem beating you. Also another note is that redlinening the MS6 in 2nd gear ends around 65mpg so if you took it to 70 he had to shift which made him slow down a bit more, and again at reline in 3rd they have to shift at 85 so at ninety he wouldve slowed down again for a breif milisecond.

Another interesting note for you guys if you can remember my test drive of the MS6 how I mentioned the turbo feels like it shuts off at 5k rpms? Well I did research and found out that at 5k RPMs the ECU has a protection system that closes the throttle body and reduces boost to 6 psi from the original 14.6 and that is alot of power lost especially since the actual fuel cut is at 5.5k. So yeah i definately believe you beat him. You'd also win if it were from a dig, unless he launches at 5k and can shift really good, then you'd be screwed. Cause from a roll i beat them in the jetta and RX-8 but from a dig they kick the crap out of me with that AWD lauching when they launch at 5K rpms.

*Pulls out BS flag*
*reads story that makes me think: 'Hmm, thats definately possible'*
*Thinks: Good kill, very good indeed*

Wait a minute...you ass! I got out my BS flag and now I can't use it. Crap.

Hey, sorry bout that. I really did not believe that I could take him and I still respect them. I wont go getting cocky. It did feel good to see that look of surprise though...

Gotian, I really do believe that with the right driver I would have gotten beat for sure, but I didnt this time. The good thing about it is the guy gave me his card and I was thinking about paying him a visit to the car dealership that he works for a rematch because it sho was fun...

The guy that owned the G6 and drove the MS6 was pretty cocky to say the least b4 we raced. While we were sitting at the car wash and I was telling them I thought I would get beat by the MS6 but I would run anyway. The guy said I should just run the G6 and I laughed and said I would put lengths on him. I said I would def. put $50 on that run. You could just tell he was all butt-hurt about me calling his car slow.


Good times.....

yeah i was surprised you got him from a dig with his AWD. but if he couldnt drive...

The MS6 uses a warner Ko4 turbo (Which is the direct bolt on upgraded turbo for my jetta.) Which is a small quick spooling turbo that generally produces more torque at a lower RPM range, and after mods shows to produce more torque over Horsepower. I wouldnt say you have too much weight advantage because both of your cars are fairly heavy. I would have to say the guy you raced had the car in 3rd gear when you started because had he had it in 2nd he wouldnt have had a problem beating you. Also another note is that redlinening the MS6 in 2nd gear ends around 65mpg so if you took it to 70 he had to shift which made him slow down a bit more, and again at reline in 3rd they have to shift at 85 so at ninety he wouldve slowed down again for a breif milisecond.

Another interesting note for you guys if you can remember my test drive of the MS6 how I mentioned the turbo feels like it shuts off at 5k rpms? Well I did research and found out that at 5k RPMs the ECU has a protection system that closes the throttle body and reduces boost to 6 psi from the original 14.6 and that is alot of power lost especially since the actual fuel cut is at 5.5k. So yeah i definately believe you beat him. You'd also win if it were from a dig, unless he launches at 5k and can shift really good, then you'd be screwed. Cause from a roll i beat them in the jetta and RX-8 but from a dig they kick the crap out of me with that AWD lauching when they launch at 5K rpms.

I am pretty sure he didnt have it in 3rd gear in any of the 3 runs. C'mon man who has there car in 3rd gear at 20 or 30 mph when there about to race. Hell I had mine in second and I got an automatic, and if I thought he did I would have been able to tell and would have schooled him and told him what gear he should be in.

MS6 3589lbs-274 hp/ 280 lb.ft.AWD
GTP 3400lbs-240 hp/280 lb.ft.FWD

Seems like a drivers race to me with the MS6 edging out in the end, maybe. I was just curious as to why you think he would have beaten me with no problem when the spec are so close except for the 30k vs. 7k price tag and better looking and more modern and kinda not fast..

As far as going from a dig, I figured thats where I would have gotten slaughtered. Thats the reason I wanted to go from a roll on the 2 previous runs. His car was AWD and I have serious traction issues with all that tourqe and FWD. I dunno, I figured he would have pulled with a have decent launch due to no tire spin. I have been getting really good at lauching though...:naughty: You just gotta ease into it slowly but fast you know what I mean?

If thats the same turbo on your Jetta I bet that thing sounds really good. I am really starting to like this whole BOOSTED thing. The sound oF that s/c whine and turbo spool is music to my ears...

Ehh, i'd think that the MS6 would have more parasitic loss through the drivetrain being all wheel drive. Wouldn't that be a factor from a roll race?

The MS6 uses a warner Ko4 turbo (Which is the direct bolt on upgraded turbo for my jetta.) Which is a small quick spooling turbo that generally produces more torque at a lower RPM range, and after mods shows to produce more torque over Horsepower. I wouldnt say you have too much weight advantage because both of your cars are fairly heavy. I would have to say the guy you raced had the car in 3rd gear when you started because had he had it in 2nd he wouldnt have had a problem beating you. Also another note is that redlinening the MS6 in 2nd gear ends around 65mpg so if you took it to 70 he had to shift which made him slow down a bit more, and again at reline in 3rd they have to shift at 85 so at ninety he wouldve slowed down again for a breif milisecond.

Another interesting note for you guys if you can remember my test drive of the MS6 how I mentioned the turbo feels like it shuts off at 5k rpms? Well I did research and found out that at 5k RPMs the ECU has a protection system that closes the throttle body and reduces boost to 6 psi from the original 14.6 and that is alot of power lost especially since the actual fuel cut is at 5.5k. So yeah i definately believe you beat him. You'd also win if it were from a dig, unless he launches at 5k and can shift really good, then you'd be screwed. Cause from a roll i beat them in the jetta and RX-8 but from a dig they kick the crap out of me with that AWD lauching when they launch at 5K rpms.

Motor Trend March '04--2004 RX-8 (6-speed) 5.8 - 14.49
Motor Trend Feb. '06--2006 Mazda Mazdaspeed 6 5.8 - 14.6
Chads GTP Nov- or Dec. '06 (cant remember) 1998 GTP stock time in sig...

I was wondering what mods you have done to your RX-8 to be beating them from a roll (not twisties) I have no mods done and you seem to think he should have had no problem beating me. I'm not talking about you beating them with your Jetta. We all know thats a given. Like I said it seem like a drivers race to me in my case and in your case but I guess you beat them in any case. Except a dig, sry.....

Must be pretty nice down in sunny Miami. Any track times in the future for the RX-8 a friend of mine is looking to get one....

I am pretty sure he didnt have it in 3rd gear in any of the 3 runs. C'mon man who has there car in 3rd gear at 20 or 30 mph when there about to race. Hell I had mine in second and I got an automatic, and if I thought he did I would have been able to tell and would have schooled him and told him what gear he should be in.

MS6 3589lbs-274 hp/ 280 lb.ft.AWD
GTP 3400lbs-240 hp/280 lb.ft.FWD

Seems like a drivers race to me with the MS6 edging out in the end, maybe. I was just curious as to why you think he would have beaten me with no problem when the spec are so close except for the 30k vs. 7k price tag and better looking and more modern and kinda not fast..

As far as going from a dig, I figured thats where I would have gotten slaughtered. Thats the reason I wanted to go from a roll on the 2 previous runs. His car was AWD and I have serious traction issues with all that tourqe and FWD. I dunno, I figured he would have pulled with a have decent launch due to no tire spin. I have been getting really good at lauching though...:naughty: You just gotta ease into it slowly but fast you know what I mean?

If thats the same turbo on your Jetta I bet that thing sounds really good. I am really starting to like this whole BOOSTED thing. The sound oF that s/c whine and turbo spool is music to my ears...


I never said i was doubting your kill, I did say from a dig, if he launched it right, you wouldve lost. And the turbo on the MS6 is one of the upgrades people like to put on the jettas, i wouldnt because it's not cost effective considering all you get is 230whp, but it is a direct bolt on to my car.

Motor Trend March '04--2004 RX-8 (6-speed) 5.8 - 14.49
Motor Trend Feb. '06--2006 Mazda Mazdaspeed 6 5.8 - 14.6
Chads GTP Nov- or Dec. '06 (cant remember) 1998 GTP stock time in sig...

I was wondering what mods you have done to your RX-8 to be beating them from a roll (not twisties) I have no mods done and you seem to think he should have had no problem beating me. I'm not talking about you beating them with your Jetta. We all know thats a given. Like I said it seem like a drivers race to me in my case and in your case but I guess you beat them in any case. Except a dig, sry.....

Must be pretty nice down in sunny Miami. Any track times in the future for the RX-8 a friend of mine is looking to get one....


READ CAREFULLY, I AM NOT DOUBTING YOUR KILL, I SAID HE WOULD BEAT YOU FROM A DIG, LEAVE IT AT THAT.

Anyways, the 8 isnt a drag car so advise for your friend is he should really research about an rx-8 before he goes ahead to buy one and mean really research it, or else he will regret buying it. If anything you can tell him to talk to me and i will tell him every good and bad detail about the car.

And between a stock MS6 and your car is a drivers race, again assuming the ms6 does a 5k drop, if not you will take him quite easily. from a roll those cars have virtually no lag, but it is a bit there, but not enough to make a 2 car difference, i think that it has to do with the fact that he has an extra shift to get to 70 where you dont, in that case auto FTW. Also if he did take it to redline (which anyone who drag races the MS6 will tell you not to because of the boost drop) it would slow him down cause it feels like you hit a brick wall. BUT AGAIN GOOD JOB ON KILL, I AM NOT DOUBTING YOU.

And i have no mods to the 8 the reason why i beat them is because i can hold gear alot longer then they can, but from a roll, I cant launch for crap yet. And I dont know when I am going to take the 8 to the track, not very fond of drag racing just to get a stupid 1/4 time, not to mention the closest track is 90 miles away which isnt a fun drive especially if it's humid (which is always is here) and I have to race as soon as I get there. Might be bright and sunny here, but it's so hot and so much humidity that i wish we did get some sort of winter here.

Ehh, i'd think that the MS6 would have more parasitic loss through the drivetrain being all wheel drive. Wouldn't that be a factor from a roll race?

yeah I would have to agree with you on the whole parasitic loss on AWD cars.....when I race STIs and EVOs its like night and day from a roll and from the dig....from the dig I lose bad:banghead: ....from a roll I win:grinyes: ....I dont know a roll is where I like to race AWD cars it makes me feel less stupied:lol: .....

I didnt think I had implied that you did doubt my kill. You did say if he had it in second on a roll race he would have beaten me. That is what I was pointing out what you had said.

I didnt think I had implied that you did doubt my kill. You did say if he had it in second on a roll race he would have beaten me. That is what I was pointing out what you had said.


yeah he wouldve had an easier time and you definately would not have won by 2 cars, that is alot of distance between you two.

i wish i would run into a MS6.... i'd do more than edge him out ;-)

This may be a given but it seems relative. Gotian says the boost drops off of a MS6 at ~5k rpms. Doesn't the GTP redline in the 5-6k rpm area? With the MS6 having a quick spooling turbo that makes boost/power early on in the rpm range it would seem like a good match against the supercharged v6 that makes power early on by way of the charger. So given that the cars plus drivers are pretty close to the same weight and perhaps each car having parasitic drivetrain loss (MS6 AWD a little heavier with more hp and GTP FWD lighter with less hp) and each having the same 280lb/ft, it very well would seem like a drivers race. This being based on how well the driver knows the cars hp application in each gear and the gearing. Sounds like a very challenging and fun race. Nice Kill, Jeep!

Thanks everyone for not calling bullshit on me. I posted this story on a GTP street racing forum no less and they all call bullshit..

Even you Gotian didnt call bullshit which I expected only cause your a Mazda fan. I appreciate all of your input and I will continue giving you a hard time because someone has to do it:p Of the subject. Gotian have you done a write-up on your RX-8 yet. If not you should.

Nice runs bro, real nice indeed... Would've loved to see that on film as I'm sure many fellow AF'ers would too...
Oh, and it's always nice to win some money, or wait, you didn't mention you getting the $50, so... did they punk you out?:icon16:

About that $50. When I quickly looked up the specs on the MS6 before going to race them I thought for sure it would be me handing them the money. I told him I wouldnt race for the 50 because I knew he would win. The guy then said we might as well race him in the G6. I laughed and tod him I would def. put 50 on that one.....As shocked as he was by me saying that I think he knew he was outmatched......

Yeah this thread is about a month old, but I found it in a search and can't help but post.

If the story is true, the Speed6 guy was a crappy driver (no launch) or he had low octane gas and an old factory tune. The Speed6 will do 13.5-13.8 stock and the fastest times with a few bolt ons are about 13.1 with the stock turbo and a tune. With bigger turbo and a tune they are in the 12's easy. They run much better with 93 octane +, and just about any bolt on adds 10-20 whp and a tuner adds 40+. I can just see most of the previous posters frantically looking up magazine specs and posting these as their expert opinions. Pretty hilarious. These are definitely not 14.5 second 1/4 mile cars unless driven without a launch and shifts are at the wrong rpms. The car in the post had a single 3" exhaust and a CAI I think, which makes a BIG difference from stock on these turbo engines... which makes it even harder to believe. If you can find one, race one, you will see the light - they are no joke.

^^^sounds like a fan boy to me.....in all honesty if someone were to launch at the 5k neccessary to get that 13.8 (Which by the way was done by a PROFFESSIONAL DRIVER when the car was stock) the guy's car wouldnt last very long. The MS6 with an avarage driver who bought it just to have comfort with some power (or pretty much numbers cause I had a chaice between my RX8 and the MS6 and I chose the RX8) will almost always run a mid 14 down the quarter.

And not to mention that a car that wieghs almost 300-400 pounds more than an STI or Evo and has less power will not run the same times as those cars which are the time you have posted (13.5 my ass, sorry)

I am a fan of cars in general. I like Pontiacs, I almost bought an 06 GTO. I also considered the RX8, but it had terrible gas mileage and bad power and torque.

I was not comparing a MS6 to an EVO or STi. The MS6 has yet to run a 11.9 and it will take a bigger turbo to do it. The fact is that there are MS6's that run 13.5-13.8 stock. With bolt-ons they HAVE run 13.1. I was comparing a GTP that runs 14.8+ with a modded MS6 with a crappy driver. It's as simple as that.

Anything can happen in a "race" and a really crappy driver in a fast car can make any race a "driver's race".

I am a fan of cars in general. I like Pontiacs, I almost bought an 06 GTO. I also considered the RX8, but it had terrible gas mileage and bad power and torque.


Cracks one open and watches Gotian march in with the facts:popcorn:

Cracks one open and watches Gotian march in with the facts:popcorn:

Well it does get crappy gas mileage, and compared to a GTO it's just a little down on horsepower and torque.

Cracks one open and watches Gotian march in with the facts:popcorn:

Lol... Anytime now, that train is never late... :icon16:

Where's Gotian when you need him??? :grinno:

I am a fan of cars in general. I like Pontiacs, I almost bought an 06 GTO. I also considered the RX8, but it had terrible gas mileage and bad power and torque.

I was not comparing a MS6 to an EVO or STi. The MS6 has yet to run a 11.9 and it will take a bigger turbo to do it. The fact is that there are MS6's that run 13.5-13.8 stock. With bolt-ons they HAVE run 13.1. I was comparing a GTP that runs 14.8+ with a modded MS6 with a crappy driver. It's as simple as that.

Anything can happen in a "race" and a really crappy driver in a fast car can make any race a "driver's race".


I like this statement. The only thing is if you really believe your own words why did you have to come in here bringing up a month old thread and "questioning" my race?

My 14.8 was after only 2 passes and only owning the car 2 weeks. It is not unheard of for stock GTP's to hit 14.3. My GTP is not the fastest stock by far but I bet I can get that time down some now. I use the car as a daily driver and I can launch real well....I'll be at the track sometime soon. Every test and tune gets rained out for the last month....

I wasnt going to bring this up but since old thread was revived. I ran into the guy that owns the MS6. I saw him at the same carwash but he had no friend this time. In any case I told the guy I wanted a rematch and he didnt really want to go. I told him his friend should learn how to drive and he might come out better next time. He then informed me that his friend was just messing with me. Bullshit!! He just couldnt drive and they were probably a little surprised by my car.

The car goes 13.5 bone stock blah, blah, blah. It was a drivers race and I win.....

The fact is that there are MS6's that run 13.5-13.8 stock.
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Proof please?

I like this statement. The only thing is if you really believe your own words why did you have to come in here bringing up a month old thread and "questioning" my race?

I wasnt going to bring this up but since old thread was revived. I ran into the guy that owns the MS6. I saw him at the same carwash but he had no friend this time. In any case I told the guy I wanted a rematch and he didnt really want to go. I told him his friend should learn how to drive and he might come out better next time. He then informed me that his friend was just messing with me. Bullshit!! He just couldnt drive and they were probably a little surprised by my car.

The car goes 13.5 bone stock blah, blah, blah. It was a drivers race and I win.....

Why does anyone come to a forum? To discuss, debate, learn, be entertained, etc...

I didn't come in here with malicious intentions... I just saw the post in a google search and was interested in it.

I don't think we disagree about much, you plainly stated that the guy was a crappy driver more than once. I have to take you word for it because I was not there and hence I will NEVER really know what happened. So good "kill". Nice forum. Keep up the good work, etc...

Besides, 13.5 is NOT THAT FAST.

But is for that car.

You've got to remember that's almost a full second faster than what 80% of the people get at the track in stock form.

Yeah this thread is about a month old, but I found it in a search and can't help but post.

If the story is true, the Speed6 guy was a crappy driver (no launch) or he had low octane gas and an old factory tune. The Speed6 will do 13.5-13.8 stock and the fastest times with a few bolt ons are about 13.1 with the stock turbo and a tune. With bigger turbo and a tune they are in the 12's easy. They run much better with 93 octane +, and just about any bolt on adds 10-20 whp and a tuner adds 40+. I can just see most of the previous posters frantically looking up magazine specs and posting these as their expert opinions. Pretty hilarious. These are definitely not 14.5 second 1/4 mile cars unless driven without a launch and shifts are at the wrong rpms. The car in the post had a single 3" exhaust and a CAI I think, which makes a BIG difference from stock on these turbo engines... which makes it even harder to believe. If you can find one, race one, you will see the light - they are no joke.

Here you go. I will make it easy for you so you know exactly what 's going on. The statements in bold are yours. You say you didnt come here with malicious intentions thats fine but read what you wrote first.

And as far as malicious intentions I'm pretty sure no one in here is threatened by anything you have to say.

13.5 is fast since most of your "average" street racing will be done light to light. I know for sure that if most cars run up on a 13.5 car at a light its gonna be a race......

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Proof please?

You can look at the usual places. These are a few posted here with slips:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda--6-Drag-Racing.html

There are times from 12.99 up to high 13's in the top 20... the cars are stock to bolt-on modified... the guy with a stock car ran a 13.579 and a guy with basic bolt-ons, stock turbo, and tuning ran 12.99. A couple of these have a bigger turbo, and I disregard these as proof for this discussion. This is a small sampling for sure, but in my experience I don't find these times out of the ordinary at all. These drivers obviously know the car and the shift points, but they are not pros.

...And there are hundreds of threads on various forums, etc... videos on youtube, google video, etc... of cars running at the track with times. If you want to find more they are out there. Plenty of info considering the car is pretty scarce.

And as far as malicious intentions I'm pretty sure no one in here is threatened by anything you have to say.

Great, I am happy to hear that. Like I said, I like cars just like everyone here. I think many people are eager to discuss and debate when the car they happen to own at the time comes up short or is misrepresented in a post or story (either by the story teller or by the driver of the car not doing his part).

I have a question... Who are you? And where did you come from?
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[quote=Gotian]^^^sounds like a fan boy to me.....in all honesty if someone were to launch at the 5k neccessary to get that 13.8 (Which by the way was done by a PROFFESSIONAL DRIVER when the car was stock) the guy's car wouldnt last very long. The MS6 with an avarage driver who bought it just to have comfort with some power (or pretty much numbers cause I had a chaice between my RX8 and the MS6 and I chose the RX8) will almost always run a mid 14 down the quarter.quote]

The average joe blow driver who doesn't know much besides what the car mags, dealer, and users manual gave him would drive a 14.5 on the freeway onramp maybe. Anyone who gets to the track more than once is obviously more serious, and we were discussing someone who said they were "racers" and had a good knowledge of the car since they had at least two of the very few bolt-on parts for this car. Daily joe blow average comfort drivers do not choose to run a 3" exhaust with no mufflers that is loud as hades, and an intake that sounds like it is going to suck up pedestrians from the side of the road when the turbo spools. I don't think most comfort drivers would buy a car that comes in a manual only. But, that's all just my opinion.

You can look at the usual places. These are a few posted here with slips:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda--6-Drag-Racing.html

There are times from 12.99 up to high 13's in the top 20... the cars are stock to bolt-on modified... the guy with a stock car ran a 13.579 and a guy with basic bolt-ons, stock turbo, and tuning ran 12.99. A couple of these have a bigger turbo, and I disregard these as proof for this discussion. This is a small sampling for sure, but in my experience I don't find these times out of the ordinary at all. These drivers obviously know the car and the shift points, but they are not pros.

...And there are hundreds of threads on various forums, etc... videos on youtube, google video, etc... of cars running at the track with times. If you want to find more they are out there. Plenty of info considering the car is pretty scarce.

Out of all those, only one is categorised as a stock vehicle, and that's #11, which ran a 13.7 @ 99mph. Looking at their 60' times, it seems these guys are dumping the clutches and letting the AWD do it's thing. I question the longevity of these drive trains in the near future from these tarmac launches.

Out of all those, only one is categorised as a stock vehicle, and that's #11, which ran a 13.7 @ 99mph. Looking at their 60' times, it seems these guys are dumping the clutches and letting the AWD do it's thing. I question the longevity of these drive trains in the near future from these tarmac launches.

#13 is a stock car... unless you include 17" wheels and tires as a bolt-on. Like I said, it is a small sampling, one site, find more if you want. 13.7's and 13.8's on up are definitely more common than 13.5's stock.

Oh they are LAUNCHING the cars, all of them are, but not "dumping"... more like feathering. They are revving up to 4000-5000 at the line, I won't argue that point at all.

The longevity is fine driven right. People who DO DUMP exessively can break an axel. Research what that does to ANY AWD car.

TINY HBUKLELe TPROOGF SHIELD!

How about post some of your times or STFU.....Nobody cares about MS6 except for you. Post some of your personal times your moded so you should be able to hit low 13's. You come on here because you got butt hurt that I posted a race with a car that you drive that I happened to not get beat by.

Go back to your Mazda forum so all of you can continue to stroke each others peckers and tell each other about how fast your cars are......

Wow okay my turn, I knew he was gonna bring up that 13.5XX on the website. Now you have to sit down and pay attention, that 13.5XX that you fanboys praise so much is never going to happen stock. Not even a proffessional driver over at M/T or R/T were able to get anything better than a 13.8 so what makes you think any other person could get the 13.5 stock, not to mention the fact that when the magazines test the cars they are either paid off or the cars are slightly tweeked to get the better numbers (cause numbers sell here in america)

I wasnt going to say anything till you dissed my car and then argued with my friends. You said that you didnt buy the RX-8 cause the numbers are lower than the MS6 so instead you spent another 6-8k just for the numbers....real smart. Let me explain something to you, take for example the rx8 and the 350z, the 350 has the bigger numbers in both torque and horsepower and yet it is only about 1/4-1/2 a car faster down a quarter mile, why's that? cause the 350 weights almost 200-300 pounds more than the rx does not to mention the gearing on the 350z is better for quick acceleration. But what happens when you go futher past the 1/4 mile? The rx-8 will catch up and eventually pull past the 350z when you get to 120-130mph, why? because the rx has better gearing for top end and slightly better aerodynamics then the 350. On top of that, you got a car that has more HP and TQ but it is still not faster around a track then the RX-8. What does this have to do with the MS6 and the GTP? Nothing really, just thought i would defend my car first. But jeez for the price you paid for the MS6 you shouldve gotten an 06 GTO, its faster, better interior, more comfortable, and easier to drive.
Oh and I'm so glad you guys wer waiting for me to come on and say this stuff.

Now I must congradulate you though, you bought the worst performance car mazda has ever made, it's over priced, not too good on their interior, should have better handling since its AWD, oh wait, it's not a full time AWD it only comes in when you lose too much traction, oh wait, by that time its already too late and you've f-up the race! Should be faster with those number, to bad its a cow...these cars sell very poorly, which is why mazda had to hurry and make the MS3 because they new a lighter, lower grounded hatchback would sell much better and they would be able to make the money the lost trying to sell the MS6. Im a big fan of mazda, but they dropped the ball with that car only to pick it back up with the MS3 and wash it while saying "Clean, Clean, still not Clean!"

Oh and yes, tires do count as a mod because with the proper tires im sure you could change the 13.8 to a 13.7 maybe even a 13.6 if you really enjoy smelling a burnt clutch and transmission.

Actually, Car and Driver just tested the new 350z and the RX-8 along with the new Audi TT and Ford Shelby GT (the over priced GT), and the 350z ran a 13.7 @ 104mph, the RX-8 ran 15.0 @ 93mph. Also, they have the 350z quoted as being limited at 156mph, while the RX-8 is limited at 144mph.

350z > RX-8

Despite that, they still picked the RX-8 as their number 1 car out of the 4.
Which pisses me off, even though out of the 4 cars it performed the worst on average. They still chose it as their favorite... sometimes I wonder why I read these magazines.:rolleyes:

I mean, those cars you buy to drive fast and you learn to deal with the parts that suck about them. Every car has it's flaws. A Lamborghini Gallardo is a fast car, ment to be driven fast, but it sucks ass to park because you can't see out the back... do we care? Hell no.


... sorry, back on topic.

The MazdaSpeed 6, if you can provide video proof of how a 3589lbs car, with 274hp. Is running mid 13's with ONLY a trap speed of 99mph mind you. With a car such as the new 350z, which as stated above 13.7 @ 104mph with 306hp, and 3340lbs itself.

Not to mention other AWD cars such as the STI and the EVO IX. They're solid mid-13 second cars when driven right. They're both making 287hp and 293hp respectively. Not much more than the Mazda in reality, but they're lighter, 3351lbs for the STI and 3274lbs for the EVO.

Rule of thumb for drag racing is, for every 100lbs of weight you subtract .1 off your ET. If you do the math, the Mazda is already .238 slower than the STI. Which is tested at 13.4 @ 102mph according to Car and Driver earlier this year.

I'm just not seeing how a heavier car, with less power is trapping 13.5 with only 99mph trap.

And we all know the Mazda wasn't created to chase after the Rally powerhouses from Subaru or Mitsubishi. It was designed more to compete with the likes of the BMW 330xi, Audi A4 Quattros and Subaru Legacy GT... and maybe a Mercedes-Benz 320 4matic.

Now, the MazdaSpeed 3... now there's the car to watch out for, but that's another thread all together.

Actually, Car and Driver just tested the new 350z and the RX-8 along with the new Audi TT and Ford Shelby GT (the over priced GT), and the 350z ran a 13.7 @ 104mph, the RX-8 ran 15.0 @ 93mph. Also, they have the 350z quoted as being limited at 156mph, while the RX-8 is limited at 144mph.

350z > RX-8

Despite that, they still picked the RX-8 as their number 1 car out of the 4.
Which pisses me off, even though out of the 4 cars it performed the worst on average. They still chose it as their favorite... sometimes I wonder why I read these magazines.:rolleyes:

I mean, those cars you buy to drive fast and you learn to deal with the parts that suck about them. Every car has it's flaws. A Lamborghini Gallardo is a fast car, ment to be driven fast, but it sucks ass to park because you can't see out the back... do we care? Hell no.


... sorry, back on topic.

The MazdaSpeed 6, if you can provide video proof of how a 3589lbs car, with 274hp. Is running mid 13's with ONLY a trap speed of 99mph mind you. With a car such as the new 350z, which as stated above 13.7 @ 104mph with 306hp, and 3340lbs itself.

Not to mention other AWD cars such as the STI and the EVO IX. They're solid mid-13 second cars when driven right. They're both making 287hp and 293hp respectively. Not much more than the Mazda in reality, but they're lighter, 3351lbs for the STI and 3274lbs for the EVO.

Rule of thumb for drag racing is, for every 100lbs of weight you subtract .1 off your ET. If you do the math, the Mazda is already .238 slower than the STI. Which is tested at 13.4 @ 102mph according to Car and Driver earlier this year.

I'm just not seeing how a heavier car, with less power is trapping 13.5 with only 99mph trap.

And we all know the Mazda wasn't created to chase after the Rally powerhouses from Subaru or Mitsubishi. It was designed more to compete with the likes of the BMW 330xi, Audi A4 Quattros and Subaru Legacy GT... and maybe a Mercedes-Benz 320 4matic.

Now, the MazdaSpeed 3... now there's the car to watch out for, but that's another thread all together.



nice info on the newly released 350's but i was referring to the more common previous 350's not this one where they have a dual intake system now, BTW did they completely change the engines on those?

Oh and the most common time for an RX-8 is about 14.7, though there are people who managed a 14.5XX completely stock, but they also feathered from 7-7.5k

gotian, here is a quick article on it. it sounds like a whole new beast.

What we do know is that there have been extensive mechanical revisions made to the flagship 350Z sport coupé. Nissan has fitted nearly 80 per cent new engine parts to the 'next generation' 3.5-litre V6 engine, boosting power to 309bhp at 6800rpm and torque to 264lb.ft at 4800rpm.

Nissan claims to have achieved this by employing a wider operating range for the variable intake and variable valve timing systems, as well as a common length exhaust manifold to reduce back pressure. Those changes supposedly act to boost low and mid-range torque.

The introduction of a second knock sensor, an asymmetric piston pattern, improved cylinder cooling and iridium spark plugs are said to improve efficiency of the ignition cycle, while an increase in compression ratio from 10.3 to 10.6 has been key in liberating more top end power.

Engineers have also increased maximum engine speed by 500rpm to 7500rpm via a larger crank journal and crank pin. At the bottom of the engine, a ladder frame has been added to stiffen the crankcase and reduce vibration.

Despite these changes, weight and fuel consumption are said to remain unchanged, but the engine's centre of gravity has been lowered by 15mm. This is likely to further improve the car's already renowned composure around bends. The 350Z has also seen a change in standard tyre fitment and is now equipped with Bridgestone Potenza RE050A's, a tyre Ferrari uses on some of its models.

The 350Z's bonnet, subtly redesigned to accommodate the new powerplant, is reminiscent of that of its forebear, the iconic 240Z. Three new exterior colours will be offered: Temper Orange (said to contain a subtle green 'flip'), Precision Grey, and Night Blue. These will complement a new 'frost grey' interior trim, whose pale tone is meant to add a touch of sophistication to the car's interior. Active headrests have also been fitted to the seats to minimise the chance of neck injury in a rear impact.

sounds good, so it's safe to assume that the engine is completely different?