SATA Vs. EIDE?

I am hopefully upgrading my computer within the next few weeks to an AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800 and also need to get a new hard drive. I have thought about going SATA instead of EIDE. I was wondering is there any difference in setup, and can you use a EIDE with it? I have everything backed up on my 40 Gig which is EIDE as is my 120 Gig, but my 120 is going out (clicks and whines all the time now and likes to freeze when doing things, all the time). Is it possible to use SATA and EIDE together?

Yes.

Any motherboard you buy will still have IDE ports, and most will have SATA ports.

Ok, thanks. Most mobo's that I have seen have 2 ide slots, but some have one.

I haven't seen any with only one. Although I guess some new Hi-po ones might.

Motherboards that only have one IDE port are for optical drives, because they've only just started going to SATA.

If your 120gb drive is on the way out, don't trust it with any data, back it all up onto DVD, removable drive or network drive.

If your only remaining hard drive is 40gb, it's hardly worth saving - go with new SATA drives for the better cabling and airflow.

I am backing things up to the 40 gig, not the 120. Ive been working on computers long enough to know not to leave it on the 120. I've just been out of the computer industry for 6 - 8 months and I'm looking at getting back in. So much has changed, and I havent ever worked with sata yet either. I figured the mobo's with 1 eide port were for optical's. I am just wondering because I will then buy a 200 gig sata, and then get everything off of the 40 gig. Thats why I wanted to know it the 2 forms were able to be used together. Will the sata be the primary over the eide then?

. Will the sata be the primary over the eide then?

Depends on if you set it up that way. You can have the IDE be the primary if you choose.

Depends on if you set it up that way. You can have the IDE be the primary if you choose.Would that be a cmos setting then, or a jumper?

Cmos

Jumpers lol. They still making mobos with those?

Jumpers lol. They still making mobos with those?Not even sure. I've just come back to computers, and most of my work was on older ones...PIII, PII, Celron, PI, etc. They all had the jumpers.

well there are still a few jumpers left on most mobos but they are used for rare operations. Like the Clear Cmos jumper or the overvoltage jumper on the DFIs.


As far as mobos with only 1 IDE its mostly the newer intel chipset ones. Intel is often trying to dump legacy connectors as early as possible.

Not just Intel. I won't go with Intel, so I haven't even bothered looking at Intel, or its boards. Everything that I have looked at is either Socket 939 or Socet AM2. I have found single EIDE ports on both. What is a DFI?

What is a DFI?

A manufacturer of motherboards.

If your going AMD, go AM2. Socket 939 is just as expensive, and there is room for upgrade if you go with a lower level AM2 processor like the X2 3600+ or something. I saw that on Newegg for $85 with free shipping and almost bought it...

Ive been working on computers long enough to know not to leave it on the 120. I've just been out of the computer industry for 6 - 8 months and I'm looking at getting back in.


i like how you make it sound so "professional"

I will be ordering the parts tonight, finally. I will be gettin the AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800. I saw prices between the 939 and AM2 and figured why nmot get more bang for your buck with the 64 bits. I will be looking for a mobo this period and I have everything else picked out. I am also wondering, is it beter to have 2 sticks of 512, or 1 stick of 1 gig?I have heard opinions on both, and am not sure. I evevntually will go up to 2 gig, but that will be a while longer.

You need to figure out how many RAM slots your mobo will have. If only 2 slots and you will eventually want 2 GB, then the choice has been made for you already.

There really is negligible difference between the performance of 2 x 512 or a 1 GB stick. Speed matters more.

The mobo That I am getting is, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131014
8 gig max, 4 slots.

The mobo That I am getting is, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131014
8 gig max, 4 slots.

If that's the board your getting, then you can get away with the 2 x 512 for now if you find a deal, but you can usually find a 1 GB stick for around the same price. Remember than unless your running 64 bit OS, you only get about 3.25 GB of recognized memory no matter how much you slap in those slots.

one EIDE port should handle both your drives at once but get a SATA drive and suck everything down as soon as you can and sell the drives on E-Bay before they're worthless. mix matching drives will slow your new mobo down.

I can get 2 512 mg corsair xms series for $40 a piece, and a 1 gig corsair xms series for $116. As far as the hard drives go, I'm getting a 200 gig sata, and was posibly planning to use my 40 gig eide for backup use. I'm hopefully ordering the stuff tonite or tomorow.

from what I've seen, when you're buying like for like
i.e 2x512 / 1GB

the cost isn't of the two aren't that much different, if they're not the same.
The differences come into it when you buy different spec ram.

in this case, if i were you, i would say buy the 512s.
as it's been pointed out, unless you are going to run 64 bit windows, you're not going to need anything more than 3-4GB.
If you get 1gb sticks now, you only have the choice of buying 1 gb sticks one at a time. If you've got 512s, then you can upgrade sooner (assuming that money is a factor here).


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are you sure the ram you're looking at fits the motherboard you're looking at?

from what I've seen, when you're buying like for like
i.e 2x512 / 1GB

the cost isn't of the two aren't that much different, if they're not the same.
The differences come into it when you buy different spec ram.

in this case, if i were you, i would say buy the 512s.
as it's been pointed out, unless you are going to run 64 bit windows, you're not going to need anything more than 3-4GB.
If you get 1gb sticks now, you only have the choice of buying 1 gb sticks one at a time. If you've got 512s, then you can upgrade sooner (assuming that money is a factor here).Ok, I am building this as my all use gamming machine, thats why Im starting at 1 gig. And money is the issue, I'm basically buying a barebones without the case, Ive already got an xblade case. I'm buying power supply, ram, mobo, processor, video card, and hard drive, all for around $500.

I'm getting a 200 gig sata, and was posibly planning to use my 40 gig eide for backup use.

you'd be better off making the eide external if you really want to keep it. pluging it into the mobo eide port will put it on the bus and slow down the SATA drive.

I dont think it would slow it down to much, but its only gonna be temporary. Im lookin into externals too, but that mat be a while. Maybe money used from my 18th b-day in a few months...

looks like i will be doing a 1 gig stick over the 2 512 sticks. I temporarily for got about speed. unless i find a good deal on a bundle.

in case you missed it:
are you sure the ram you're looking at fits onto the motherboard you're looking at?

Yeah, I made sure at the last minute. The mobo calls for DDR2 800, so I wound up with a set of 2 512 sticks of Corsair XMS Series for $107. All in all, not a bad price for the parts. I hate credit cards though, transaction is made to quickly, and I don't think my mom realized that. So I have to redo that.:banghead:

i was thinking about the pin count.

I was looking at something like DDR PC3200, BIG difference between that and DDR2 800. Newegg is starting to piss me off. I have put in my credit card number in 3 times and my moms in once and has failed every time. Im gonna call them soon. It was at the last minute that I checked that out...Thankfully

WTF!?!? Newegg completly dropped the order, and never sent me anything about it. I have 4 emails saying failed payment, and i put in my debit card in 4 times and m y mom's credit card once. They havnt even looked at my mom's card or done anything with it. So agrivating, I was hoping to have the stuff by wednesday, but it wont.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

You are either retarded and can't put in a credit card correctly or the card was denyed for some other reason. Just pay by Paypal.

I did it right, I did another order with the same debit card and it worked, I must have a spending limit on the card. I am redoing the order because they must have dropped it, i just reordered it but i have the wrong cpu, my mistake, I will be canceling it and getting the right cpu. Hopefully it works this time. And these orders are the first time i have ever ordered anything online with the card.

Ive been working on computers long enough to know not to leave it on the 120. I've just been out of the computer industry for 6 - 8 months and I'm looking at getting back in.

sorry, just had to show this again....

sorry, just had to show this again....What are you trying to get at there? If its that I don't know what I'm doing wheen I'm ordering stuff online, your right. This is my first online order. The transaction went thrugh, so it will be shiped soon. Should have it around Thursday or Friday at the latest. When I posted that, I was talking about the fact that the industry has changed a lot, when I stopped working on computers, PCI-Expresse wasn't to big yet, that was another problem I ran into since I'm still at AGP, I ordered a PCI-Expresse card though, but I originally wasn't going to. So its probably been longer than 6 to 8 months, time has benn going fast latley.

sorry, just had to show this again....

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Ok, I got every thing installed last night, and I ran into a problem. I installed both SATA and EIDE drives, and the motherboard set the EIDE as the primary drive, so it wouldn't let me install Xp for some reason on to the 250 gig. So I had shut down, unplugged the 40 gig, and installed Xp. How do I change it in CMOS so that the SATA is the primary drive, and the EIDE is the secondary drive? Would that be under boot sequence? The BIOS maker is PHEONIX. Is there any good program that I can use to keep tabs on the CPU core temps and other mobo specs? There was one called PC Probe II that came with the drivers, anyone know much about that?

I dont think anyone on here will be able to answer that questing, unless someone is using the exact same motherboard as you are. But just look for something that says hard drives or boot order w/e it should say how to move them up and down to your desire. As for heat, try speedfan.

Ok, thanks. I was told by someone else it should be in boot sequence or similar menu.

there is the simple way of just not installing the ide drive until after you've got your initial os install/set up on the sata done.

there is the simple way of just not installing the ide drive until after you've got your initial os install/set up on the sata done.Yeah, I just realized that. I'm transfering files right at the moment.Then I'll have my music back.