SOHC vs. SOHC Yesterday

Yesterday this guy comes up from another town. He found out that I have a pretty quick Single Cam. So he wants to Race me. I meet him up at Taco Bell and he has a 95 Dx Coupe. He says he has stock DX and we don't pop our hoods. So we go out to the bridge and I run him and he misses a gear and so I beat him. Second time we run he launches better then me because he has much better tires mine are all bald. He launches a car lenth on me and then could not pull away from me after that I hung at his rear bumper the whole time. We roll back and I convence him to pop his hood and I found he had a 1.5L Sohc ZC JDM VTEC motor with the exhaust disconnected and he had pulled out a bunch of sensors or some shit like that. It was a fun race but I am looking forward to a rematch after I get a little bit more bolt ons.

good race and good kill on the one you won well maybe if you had some better tires you would have took him

Trust me, I know how the bald tires thing goes. My tires are SO INCREDIBLY BALD. I've refused to race for the past like month because I KNOW if I launch and burn out my tires will reduce to chunks on the road. And it's hard as HELL to get any sort of a good race with bald tires.

I feel your pain. Nice kill. Good luck next time.

Well I am getting a 6-puck and a jun flywheel and a header and another little "Power Adder" Then I will run him again.

i hope the *power adder* is not that 50 shot you want.......i have no respect for people who spray in street races, i can understand in the pro's where thats your job but on the street you get no respect from me if you spray

I don't see what is wrong with using nitrous on the street. As long as he isn't decieving the guy he's racing saying he isn't spraying when he really is.

but its the easy way out.......you just dont get any respect from me if you spray.....if you both were spraying it would be ok but i just dont think its cool

plus there are a bunch of people around here that spray and dont tell anyone or they lie their asses off....so my respect level has went down from all that.....

Nothing wrong with a little spray here or there as long as that information is disclosed.

Liars are the ones who I lose respect for.

everyone has their own oppinion but i just dont like the idea of spraying on the street

Spraying is kind of stupid on the street in just shit races, ESPECIALLY if you lie, I agree. But it's OK to use on occassion. NOS is some fun shit to play with. But communicate that you've got it and usually the cocky bastards will tell you to use it because "they can outrun that piece of shit even WITH the NOS"...

Whatever clever...Why is that any different from having a turbo or supercharger? If you have a turbo and I don't....Same thing...And if you're going to keep going with it, why is it any different that having an intake or exhaust? If you have those and I don't...Keeping with that theory, the only races allowed would be Stock vs. Stock...

I agree with civicHBsi91, also nitrous is a good way to blow your motor. It may be a cheaper solution to more power but it bites you in the a** in the end. as for the level of respect I have for ppl who {spray} and don't tell anyone. I don't want ppl to know what i have under my hood before a race, i have no problem with sleeper's if they want to blow there motor with a bottle feed thats fine with me.

anyone can save up what 500 bucks and go get a nitrous system installed and they can get all cocky and call themselves quick because of it.....its just like using a cheat in a video game, like i said on the street i have no respect for it but on the track thats different

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
anyone can save up what 500 bucks and go get a nitrous system installed and they can get all cocky and call themselves quick because of it.....its just like using a cheat in a video game, like i said on the street i have no respect for it but on the track thats different

In no way is putting a nitrous kit on your car cheating. So what if nitrous is a cheap mod to add onto your car.

If you all are going on price look at it this way.......

If you could buy a super or turbo charger for $500 would you all be saying the same thing about them?

I bet ya'll wouldn't be mad about some guy having nitrous if the kits cost $4000.

All of you are hypocrits. It doesn't matter how you do it or how much it cost, as long as you win.

Even though Fast and the Furious seems to be banned by a moderator in this forum(I don't wanna point fingers so we will call this person, inferno) I will use the famous words of Vin Diesel from the movie. "Winning is winning". Or let's listen to Ja Rule, "It's not how you stand by your car, it's how you race your car."

That movie has just now become educational.

Originally posted by hybridsol
I agree with civicHBsi91, also nitrous is a good way to blow your motor. It may be a cheaper solution to more power but it bites you in the a** in the end. as for the level of respect I have for ppl who {spray} and don't tell anyone. I don't want ppl to know what i have under my hood before a race, i have no problem with sleeper's if they want to blow there motor with a bottle feed thats fine with me.

You don't know what you're talking about. N2o doesn't blow your motor if you take the right precautions and know what you're doing.

ok yall can say what you want but im not all for the easy way out, i like a CHALLENGE, to me theres no challenge if i put nitrous in my car and go around whooping everybody.....thats just no fun to me......

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
ok yall can say what you want but im not all for the easy way out, i like a CHALLENGE, to me theres no challenge if i put nitrous in my car and go around whooping everybody.....thats just no fun to me......

After owning a trans am, I consider souping up a Honda a challenge in itself.

As for whooping everybody, I know what you mean.......I hate to win all the time too.

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
ok yall can say what you want but im not all for the easy way out, i like a CHALLENGE, to me theres no challenge if i put nitrous in my car and go around whooping everybody.....thats just no fun to me......

Putting nitrous in your car in no way guarantees a victory. There are always much bigger fish in the sea, running everything from single/twin/quad turbo's, suprchargers, blowers, and NA. You put nitrous in your car, and I'll smoke you completely NA. So just because you have the shot you aren't guaranteed a win. Sure if you have a 50 shot you'll smoke a mostly stock 91 hb Si, but race that same car with an engine swap or a turbo on the Si engine and watch how quickly you are desecrated. Nitrous is only the cheap way to gain "small" amounts of power. Trying to go with a big shot will cost you a ton too. With forged internals and such...Just ask me...I know:D

hey im the one against it here why are you talking like i want it in my car?

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
hey im the one against it here why are you talking like i want it in my car?

I know...I was replying in response to you saying that if you DID have nitrous, it would be easy and not a challenge because you'd go around beating everyone. And I was saying that just because you had nitrous, in no way were you guaranteed a victory...Understand now??

Originally posted by civicHBsi91

ok yall can say what you want but im not all for the easy way out, i like a CHALLENGE, to me theres no challenge if i put nitrous in my car and go around whooping everybody.....thats just no fun to me...... .

There would still be a challenge because you'd run up against some FAST cars...Always bigger fish in the sea...ALWAYS!

i wasent talking about supras and cameros i was talkin about other hb's or crx's or cavaliers........mmmmm n/m them i stomp them stock, ex's other cars thats performance specs are somewhat close to mine

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
i wasent talking about supras and cameros i was talkin about other hb's or crx's or cavaliers........mmmmm n/m them i stomp them stock, ex's other cars thats performance specs are somewhat close to mine

As far as performance parts go........you seem pretty close to stock except for your headers.

Being that close to stock the race will still come down to who is the better driver. You can't be the best or win them all. Cause if you could then you would be on a pro tour.....and even they don't win em all.

i dont have headers or a header** and i wasent saying i would beat them all cept for cavaliers cuz they are really slow i dont care what you say

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
i dont have headers or a header** and i wasent saying i would beat them all cept for cavaliers cuz they are really slow i dont care what you say

A new Cav will probably outrun you by a long shot...150hp and 15.6 second quarters...

i would beat them all cept for cavaliers cuz they are really slow i dont care what you say


I'm gonna hafta agree with you in the absolute strongest way there. Cavaliers (stock) are slow as flaming shit. I had one (yes, a new one) for about 4 months before I deemed it worthy of being driven off a cliff. But I sold it because I needed the money. Although the cliff thing would have been more satisfying.
Cavaliers are cheap cars. They go for something like 11K new. They go for that cheap because their made that cheap.

Just had to get my 7 cents worth in

Putting nitrous in your car in no way guarantees a victory. There are always much bigger fish in the sea, running everything from single/twin/quad turbo's, suprchargers, blowers, and NA. You put nitrous in your car, and I'll smoke you completely NA. So just because you have the shot you aren't guaranteed a win. Sure if you have a 50 shot you'll smoke a mostly stock 91 hb Si, but race that same car with an engine swap or a turbo on the Si engine and watch how quickly you are desecrated. Nitrous is only the cheap way to gain "small" amounts of power. Trying to go with a big shot will cost you a ton too. With forged internals and such...Just ask me...I know

Putting nitrous in your car in no way guarantees a victory. There are always much bigger fish in the sea, running everything from single/twin/quad turbo's, suprchargers, blowers, and NA. You put nitrous in your car, and I'll smoke you completely NA. So just because you have the shot you aren't guaranteed a win. Sure if you have a 50 shot you'll smoke a mostly stock 91 hb Si, but race that same car with an engine swap or a turbo on the Si engine and watch how quickly you are desecrated. Nitrous is only the cheap way to gain "small" amounts of power. Trying to go with a big shot will cost you a ton too. With forged internals and such...Just ask me...I know

first of I think you play way to much grand tourismo, I wanna see you smoke someone with a NOS feed completely stock it is a very large increase in power. And if you run nitrous through a motor then take it apart to see the damage the inside of the motor is completely black, Nitrous can definetly blow a motor it can and it does all the time.

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron


first of I think you play way to much grand tourismo, I wanna see you smoke someone with a NOS feed completely stock it is a very large increase in power. And if you run nitrous through a motor then take it apart to see the damage the inside of the motor is completely black, Nitrous can definetly blow a motor it can and it does all the time.

First off Self knows his shit, second; when insulting someone learn to spell it right. The game is called Gran Turismo and NOS is a brand it is called nitrous, and third 25 and 50 shot of nitrous is not a lot, and won't do damage to your motor unless you are a stupid jackass that has it hooked up with a button and think it is ok to push that button any time you please and for as long as you please. It is not hard to beat faster cars with a jackass behind the wheel, I have won a lot of races that way and I have seen it all too often as well. Just adding a 25-50 shot of nitrous will not make you go around beating 80% of the cars out there.

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron


first of I think you play way to much grand tourismo, I wanna see you smoke someone with a NOS feed completely stock it is a very large increase in power. And if you run nitrous through a motor then take it apart to see the damage the inside of the motor is completely black, Nitrous can definetly blow a motor it can and it does all the time.

First off...I'm a GT3 MASTER:D
Secondly, I WILL smoke someone with nitrous fed, when I was completely stock...I'm not even CLOSE to stock now, but even when I was, I know for a fact, I could take a 91 Si with a 50 shot...
I own a 95 Camaro now...I've owned two previously, both running nitrous. One was another 95, and I ran a 150 shot on it. Over 120 nitrous runs on that engine with absolutely NO PROBLEMS, other than 2 smoked clutches(damn you Centerforce!!:finger: ). My other Z, was a 94 6.6L, with a 250hp shot of nitrous. Over 100 N2O runs on that one, once again the only problems being a smoked clutch and a broken rear end(both of which are attributed to the amount of power being made, not the fact it was made using nitrous). The 94 was obviously a built motor, but the 95 had compltely stock internals. So don't tell me that nitrous blows motors. ONLY if you use it irresponsibly, don't install the proper safety devices, or have a horrible install. I am a HUGE proponent of nitrous, it's a GREAT mod. BUT it's not the GOD of Mods...Like I said, it takes a lot more than a small shot of nitrous to outdo someone with extensive mods. Even a 100shot on a 91 Si would have a hard time pulling a 13 second quarter, which is what my car ran stock.

And besides...You can't use "NOS" In Gran Tourismo:D

whooow there polygon..... no need to insult anyone this wasent meant to be a battle. Just an opinionated conversation of post and reply. All the past experiences i have seen with nitrous oxide systems (otherwise known as NOS (not Holly NOS) N.O.S. stands for nitrous oxide system, In no way is it a brand name rather an abbreviation) have been bad even with the smallest shot imaginable. Proceed to take apart the motor and you will find remnants (unusual) damage. I never said it was in all cases just the ones ive delt with. As for self's knowledge status of performance enhancement I don't doubt it is vast, but in this particular area I think he has been lucky with nitrous. As for me not knowing what im talking about ECU engineering and performance engineering is what I do. I currently hold status of deans list and ask anyone (read the collegian) at any of the PSU campuses if clifford parris knows his tech i am a collegete of NIRA and have done everything from blueprinting a motor to test new ecu upgrades. I'm very sorry that i offended anyone with my post it was mearly an opinion.

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Originally posted by Self
A new Cav will probably outrun you by a long shot...150hp and 15.6 second quarters...
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the 2003 CAVALIER LS SPORT COUPE runs 140-hp 2.2 Liter ECOTEC engine....... which is a poor copy of a japanese EG5 pr17 motor, but with the new weight reductions to the car it is rather quick.

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Originally posted by Self
A new Cav will probably outrun you by a long shot...150hp and 15.6 second quarters...
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the 2003 CAVALIER LS SPORT COUPE runs 140-hp 2.2 Liter ECOTEC engine....... which is a poor copy of a japanese EG5 pr17 motor, but with the new weight reductions to the car it is rather quick.

Originally posted by hybridsol
whooow there polygon..... no need to insult anyone this wasent meant to be a battle. Just an opinionated conversation of post and reply. All the past experiences i have seen with nitrous oxide systems (otherwise known as NOS (not Holly NOS) N.O.S. stands for nitrous oxide system, In no way is it a brand name rather an abbreviation) have been bad even with the smallest shot imaginable. Proceed to take apart the motor and you will find remnants (unusual) damage. I never said it was in all cases just the ones ive delt with. As for self's knowledge status of performance enhancement I don't doubt it is vast, but in this particular area I think he has been lucky with nitrous. As for me not knowing what im talking about ECU engineering and performance engineering is what I do. I currently hold status of deans list and ask anyone (read the collegian) at any of the PSU campuses if clifford parris knows his tech i am a collegete of NIRA and have done everything from blueprinting a motor to test new ecu upgrades. I'm very sorry that i offended anyone with my post it was mearly an opinion.

I take it you are also DblOvrhedCamron then? N.O.S. or Nitrous Oxide Systems is the name of the Holly based Nitrous company. It is just called Nitrous Oxide, which is all it is. N.O.S. has been an always will be the abbreviation of the Holly Nitrous company. I was in no way trying to be explicit in my post nor was I angry. I was just expressing some oversights that’s all.

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
ok yall can say what you want but im not all for the easy way out, i like a CHALLENGE, to me theres no challenge if i put nitrous in my car and go around whooping everybody.....thats just no fun to me......

You can do whatever the hell you want to your car. If you want to pay twice as much to get the same quarter mile time just because of the challenge then that is your business. I will do what I like with my car If you think all I am getting is Nitrous then you are lame. I do have plans to get a Gude HEad Package and having the block built up with a 9.5:1 comp ratio. The nitrous is just for me to play with.

Originally posted by hybridsol
whooow there polygon..... no need to insult anyone this wasent meant to be a battle. Just an opinionated conversation of post and reply. All the past experiences i have seen with nitrous oxide systems (otherwise known as NOS (not Holly NOS) N.O.S. stands for nitrous oxide system, In no way is it a brand name rather an abbreviation) have been bad even with the smallest shot imaginable. Proceed to take apart the motor and you will find remnants (unusual) damage. I never said it was in all cases just the ones ive delt with. As for self's knowledge status of performance enhancement I don't doubt it is vast, but in this particular area I think he has been lucky with nitrous. As for me not knowing what im talking about ECU engineering and performance engineering is what I do. I currently hold status of deans list and ask anyone (read the collegian) at any of the PSU campuses if clifford parris knows his tech i am a collegete of NIRA and have done everything from blueprinting a motor to test new ecu upgrades. I'm very sorry that i offended anyone with my post it was mearly an opinion.

No way...I don't think so. All opinions aside, this is FACT. You can call a nitrous setup a nitrous oxide system, but NOS is and always will be the abbreviation for Nitrous Oxide Systems...The BRAND. Try and say otherwise and you'll find yourself in the middle of a copyright infringement suit.

i never said i could beat a camero with a 50 shot or anything of that nature just stated that i didnt have respect for people that used it on the street, i dunno where all this other crap came from but...i just said i didnt have respect for people who use it on the street

wtf is wrong with using it on the street? It's not cheating if the person you are racing knows you have it and runs against you anyways.

People who don't disclose their info are the ones who don't need respect.

your very wrong the copyright is for HOLLY NOS the emblem of the arrow off of the S is where copyright comes into play. Want proof I have a Zex tank in bay 4 with the abbreviation N.O.S. on the back in small print there all N.O.S. my friend its just the original is holly N.O.S. cmon guys why does everything have to be a fight, you guys both seem very knowledgeable about automotive enhancement I still believe your idea's to be an opinion and i will respect that opinion so NOS or Nitrous Oxide system its all still N2O laughing gas whatever, as for dblovrhedcamron I know your intention were to defend me but i dont think its worth a silly battle over copyright, and if or not its an easy way to blow a motor. No I am not dblovrhedcamron. A buddy of mine recommended this site to me b/c all my college friends get sick of hearing about me and my infactuation with anything on wheels powered by a motor. I was hoping to find {motor heads} of an equal caliber here.....and not fight with them lol. so sorry again guys.

Here is an interesting link about nitrous. Everyone should check this out.

http://customimport.simplisticmedia.com/Upgrade/nos.html#23

hybridsol

Try going to the racing forum, Street racing, less flaming and fighting, there seems to be many here who simply think honda is god, and any other honda than their own is bad. If you dont want as many fights go there.

ok I don't know if that was posted towards me or hybridsol but i drive an ACURA. As for you polygon i am not hybridsol but thanks for the english lesson, but the jackass thing....that really hurt man...sniff sniff. So what if I'm trigger happy I know you are too when you see a shiney red button right? And oh yea what did I forget......hmmm.......oh wait ive got it you drive a LEBARON........ need I say more........ I mean im shure you drive down the street seat all the way back 8 track cranking mullet flying in the wind picking up all the ladies...oh yes I see it now! By the way if you wanna pick up another one of those i believe my grandmother is giving one away, yea its weird no one would give her 50 cents at the last yard sale.... go figure huh? Anyway il give her a call for ya kay. As for you self im glad your so good at (gran turismo.. did I get it right this time polygon?) but when did I ever say anything about a 91 si? you talking about a zc motor right 129hp @ 6800 rpm im shure you could take that I don't have an Si though. I have a B18C GSR and if you doubled up your hp you still coulden't take my GSR. So if your ever in Penn Tech feel free to stop by the D house on college and look for the x board postings. feel free to come out to the x races im not hard to spot I run them infact. I got your displacement right here :finger: double duce: you cocky redneck.

oh wait ive got it you drive a LEBARON........ need I say more........ I mean im shure you drive down the street seat all the way back 8 track cranking mullet flying in the wind picking up all the ladies...oh yes I see it now! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA thats great

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron
ok I don't know if that was posted towards me or hybridsol but i drive an ACURA. As for you polygon i am not hybridsol but thanks for the english lesson, but the jackass thing....that really hurt man...sniff sniff. So what if I'm trigger happy I know you are too when you see a shiney red button right? And oh yea what did I forget......hmmm.......oh wait ive got it you drive a LEBARON........ need I say more........ I mean im shure you drive down the street seat all the way back 8 track cranking mullet flying in the wind picking up all the ladies...oh yes I see it now! By the way if you wanna pick up another one of those i believe my grandmother is giving one away, yea its weird no one would give her 50 cents at the last yard sale.... go figure huh? Anyway il give her a call for ya kay. As for you self im glad your so good at (gran turismo.. did I get it right this time polygon?) but when did I ever say anything about a 91 si? you talking about a zc motor right 129hp @ 6800 rpm im shure you could take that I don't have an Si though. I have a B18C GSR and if you doubled up your hp you still coulden't take my GSR. So if your ever in Penn Tech feel free to stop by the D house on college and look for the x board postings. feel free to come out to the x races im not hard to spot I run them infact. I got your displacement right here :finger: double duce: you cocky redneck.

Never heard of a black redneck:rolleyes: ...I'll be up very soon, though, and we'll settle this then. I'm right here in northern VA, it's not a far trip at all. And I'll dust you every day of the week. 'Specially now, just passed emissions so the wimpy 224/230 hydro is gone...Back to the good stuff, 290/292 SOLID(any clue what I'm talking about??:D) going in this weekend. Also contemplating putting on the 125nx I have left over from my last car, not that I'll need to to put you to shame. What are you running in the quarter, and what mods got you there? And if you haven't ran the quarter at a real track, you're a complete fraud and waste of my time. Hope you're pushing 10s:D

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
oh wait ive got it you drive a LEBARON........ need I say more........ I mean im shure you drive down the street seat all the way back 8 track cranking mullet flying in the wind picking up all the ladies...oh yes I see it now! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA thats great

Hello genious. He doesn't have the LeBaron anymore. Get with the times. Polygon knows what he is talking about. His new Vision will toast you anyday.

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
oh wait ive got it you drive a LEBARON........ need I say more........ I mean im shure you drive down the street seat all the way back 8 track cranking mullet flying in the wind picking up all the ladies...oh yes I see it now! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA thats great

Open mouth - insert foot. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Self
[Bjust passed emissions so the wimpy 224/230 hydro is gone...Back to the good stuff, 290/292 SOLID(any clue what I'm talking about??:D)[/B]

Why haven't you gone roller? Get some rpm's out of that thing. :p

bend over - insert foot:flipa:

Originally posted by inferno


Why haven't you gone roller? Get some rpm's out of that thing. :p

My original plan with this car was to go just big enough to get decent power but still pass emissions with no problems. Never wanted a solid in her. BUT, my cousin GAVE me his solid(nothing too big, 260/272) and helped me install it in my car, so I couldn't really turn that deal down:) Anyways, I only had that one in for about 3 months before emissions came up. Swapped that solid out for my old 224/230 hydro from a previous project and worked with it a bit to pass emissions. Now that that's all done with though, it's bye bye teeny tiny hydro and hello GIANT(290/292) solid!! Hopefully we'll get into it tomorrow, but I'm not sure. Either way it will DEFINATELY be in by the middle of this coming week. Either way, I'm just waiting for the valves to start floating and the seals to start popping. Sooner that starts, the sooner I'll have an excuse to stroke it or get a crate:D :D

I don't think in any way dblovrhedcameron Terminal velocity was directing something negative towards me or u? Thanks for the heads up terminal velocity i'll definetly have to try that forum.
:)

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron
ok I don't know if that was posted towards me or hybridsol but i drive an ACURA. As for you polygon i am not hybridsol but thanks for the english lesson, but the jackass thing....that really hurt man...sniff sniff. So what if I'm trigger happy I know you are too when you see a shiney red button right? And oh yea what did I forget......hmmm.......oh wait ive got it you drive a LEBARON........ need I say more........ I mean im shure you drive down the street seat all the way back 8 track cranking mullet flying in the wind picking up all the ladies...oh yes I see it now! By the way if you wanna pick up another one of those i believe my grandmother is giving one away, yea its weird no one would give her 50 cents at the last yard sale.... go figure huh? Anyway il give her a call for ya kay. As for you self im glad your so good at (gran turismo.. did I get it right this time polygon?) but when did I ever say anything about a 91 si? you talking about a zc motor right 129hp @ 6800 rpm im shure you could take that I don't have an Si though. I have a B18C GSR and if you doubled up your hp you still coulden't take my GSR. So if your ever in Penn Tech feel free to stop by the D house on college and look for the x board postings. feel free to come out to the x races im not hard to spot I run them infact. I got your displacement right here :finger: double duce: you cocky redneck.

Why is that everytime someone driving an American made car is a redneck with a mullet? I don't have a mullet and I live in Utah. The LeBaron would have blown the doors off of your Integra. I just hate it when ignorant people make assumptions about you becuase of the car you drive. Also I think you need more than a spelling lesson. Oh and point out to me where my mullet is?

http://images.cardomain.com/installs/220000-220999/220444_22_full.jpg

Man I was never trying to flame you, I was pointing out some things, sorry if I came accross that way.

And thanks for the back up guys. :)

Originally posted by Polygon

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Yep, thats no redneck in that picture. What you've got here is a MADMAN!!!!!!!

LOL

Just kidding.

You know what "assuming" does. It makes an "ass" out of "u" & "me".

Now what were we talking about in this thread?

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer


Yep, thats no redneck in that picture. What you've got here is a MADMAN!!!!!!!

LOL

Just kidding.


:smoker2:

That's right.

Originally posted by Polygon

http://images.cardomain.com/installs/220000-220999/220444_22_full.jpg

I think I saw you riding a bike wearing a shirt & tie and passing out flyers.....








Just kidding :p

LOL, I get it.

Originally posted by inferno


I think I saw you riding a bike wearing a shirt & tie and passing out flyers.....








Just kidding :p

LOL, thats too good. Yes I'm LDS, no, I never went on a mission and never will. :D

I think we should take pride in driving american made cars. redneck or not.

yea but........new american cars suck.....take the minivan for instance i always hear of them breaking down, squealling down the street, at shops, they wear out quick i think only some new american cars are like this i geuss but i see american cars broke down more than imports

Originally posted by HemiGeorge
I think we should take pride in driving american made cars. redneck or not.

Civics, Accords, Camrys, and Altimas are all made in America. Just thought you'ld like to know that.

i think he was like talkin about the american brands