Can you Blush?

So, has anybody took a look at the new Toyota 5.7 Tundra's?
I think I am blushing. I never would have thought that Toyota would come out with a truck with more HP than Chevy, Dodge or Ford.

Any thoughts?

What's the turdra's HP? 380? It has a slight edge over the 6.0

# Thundering 367 horsepower @ 5500 rpm
# 375 lb.-ft. of torque @ 4300 rpm

It would take a hell of a lot more than 13 hp to consider a Turdra. For me to even thing about it, it wold have to have something on the order of 600 hp.

Plus, have you considered how easy it would be to boost the HP up to 400 on the Chevy? A tune ought to take care of that. Try getting performance enhancements for the turdra.

So, to answer your question, the turdra looks like crap, plus the toyota emblem on the grille doesn't help it. I have never known anyone happy with their toyota. I would not consider buying a turdra at all. Plus, if I ever came home with a Toyota, I think my wife would kick my ass.

yeah thats gone by my next truck turdra 07

yeah thats gone by my next truck turdra 07


Then, by all means, go here:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=453

The Tundra's Torque is a lot more than the Chevy's 6.0. it is over 400lbs ft.
But I do agree with you. Not too keen on the looks of the Tundra, but it is better then the 06's and before.

The Tundra's Torque is a lot more than the Chevy's 6.0. it is over 400lbs ft.
But I do agree with you. Not too keen on the looks of the Tundra, but it is better then the 06's and before.

Turdra's is 401. 26 ft lbs of torque is not enough to make me even think about playing for the other team. you do whatever you gotta do, though.

I think that you missed the Bliaards point. Why by some foreign piece of junk that aint near the truck the Chevy is......just because it has more horsepower or torque alone does not mean that it is a better truck or will pull faster or any of the above. There is so much more to making the best truck. Plus oyu would have to study the torque and horsepower curves. A peak horsepower or torque means nothing. It is when the engines carries that over a large RPM curve that it makes any sence. Take the infamous HEMI for instance it is rated at over 300 and something horsepower. Your 285 HP 5.3 will run circles around that Dodge. Just something to consider. The other thing is you need to consider that by supporting the american working man you are reinvesting $$$ back into your own economy. Never discount the importance of that.

I think that you missed the Bliaards point. Why by some foreign piece of junk that aint near the truck the Chevy is......just because it has more horsepower or torque alone does not mean that it is a better truck or will pull faster or any of the above. There is so much more to making the best truck. Plus oyu would have to study the torque and horsepower curves. A peak horsepower or torque means nothing. It is when the engines carries that over a large RPM curve that it makes any sence. Take the infamous HEMI for instance it is rated at over 300 and something horsepower. Your 285 HP 5.3 will run circles around that Dodge. Just something to consider. The other thing is you need to consider that by supporting the american working man you are reinvesting $$$ back into your own economy. Never discount the importance of that.

Great, you just opened the door for all those Jap lovers to come in. They'll start out by stating that Toyota employs tens of thousands of people in the US, blah blah blah. Then they say that when you buy a GM product your overpaying because of UAW. What they don't mention is that GM currently has over 500,000 retirees that is supports compared to Toyota's 3,000 (look up the numbers). Also, GM has a hefty price tag to pay for Health Care (including all of those retirees). I just don't want people to start assuming that Toyota is an American company by any means because its fuckin-ugly Tundra is ASSEMBLED (look up the definition, which does not mean MADE, by the way) in San Antonio. I am buying the 2008 Silverado 4x4 Crew Cab (VortecMax) which will assembled in Ontario (Oshwana?? spelling?? anyways, one of the most productive plants), the engine will be made in Flint, MI or Ohio and the trans (hopefully the 6L80/90) will be made in either Toledo (I think, somewhere in Ohio though) or Ypsilanti, MI. After a few aftermarket mods I will run circles around your POS Jap crap, oh yeah.

Also, I don't remember if it was Car&Driver or Consumer Reports, but in the head-to-head 2007 Silverado vs 2007 Tundra, the Tundra beat the Silvy off the line (0-60 time almost 2 seconds better) but just barely hung on to win the Quarter Mile (I think by only 0.5 sec). For those who don't know, it's NOT peak HP & TQ, It's the consistency of the HP-to-TQ curve (as mentioned above).

P.S. Don't flame me. I have nothing against those hard-working individuals that work for Toyota. I just don't want a Japense product labeled American (yes, believe it or not, the company that manufactors the Tundra is based in Japan).

P.P.S. WTF, Ford?? Get on the ball!! Those plain-ass F-150's need a makeover!!

:screwy:

Maybe it's me but have you guys ever looked inside a Tundra...it just doesn't look right for some reason. Even though Chevy trucks can have a lot of little problems this forum has made a huge difference in helping people sort things out and getting them patched up. I vote for Chevy trucks!!!

You guys are great,
I truelly wish that people in this country would stop and think for just one damn minute the impact of buying foreign cars and other products too has on the American economy. C'mon people use your brains God gave em to ya. Of course things made in other countrys can be sold cheaper, its called slave labor, anyone here want to sign up for that. OK OK I am done......

Sure there are problems with every car they are made by man and they all have some problems. Couple that with the common mistreatment of the consumer. With that said, GM makes pretty darn good products. My father has always put in excess of 200K miles on every vehicle he has owned by doing little more than maintnance.

Next: Who wants a Jap pickup that says Terd (TRD) on the back quarter panel. Once again proof that they are indeed Jap vehicles.
Keep the faith gentlemen.

I love chevy and always have. I have put over 150K on all my Chevys, but I like to keep an open mind. I have owned a Toyota in the past and it was a great truck. I know in general Toyota's do very well with high resale values as well.

As far as the American economy, most American cars are not made in the US. However most Jap cars are. So who is really supporting the American economy. Infact, most American Companies have out sourced there labor to other countries, such as Motorola, IBM, and AMD. So what does that tell you about "American Company Loyalty"? It is just something to think about.

As I write this, I know that Im stirring the can up this can of worms even more than I probably should. While yes the Tundra is a bit different looking, but look what Dodge did back in 94 with the Ram, and Ford has done with the F150 and Super Dutys. All of them have been love em or hate em styling. Chevy has been in the same boat, I remember when so many were in an outrage with the updated front clip of the 03 Silvys.

Back to my point, hate toyota all you want, but they have made quite the 1/2 ton pickup (almost 3/4 ton qualities in a half ton package). Time is the only thing that will tell if it holds up.

I love my silvy, but I wish GM would put a little bit more thought into how they design an build their product. Maybe take a little bit more risk. I think they have gotten a bit conservative and are falling behind.

I agree with you on your statement. I love Chevy, but have not been too impressed with there styling. They did better this year. But it could be better. They need to make them more agressive.

I agree with you on your statement. I love Chevy, but have not been too impressed with there styling. They did better this year. But it could be better. They need to make them more agressive.


The only pickup on the market that rivals the chevy in looks is the GMC.

Ok, and, as much as i hate to admit it, I have always liked the Ford Super Duty trucks.

This sounds like a post a couple of weeks ago. But least this time Blenderwizard isn't being such a jerk. I have always owned a Chevy up until about a month or so ago. And I looked at Chevy's and planned on buying one until I drove one of the Nissan Titans. Now as much as people say how crappy it is too not buy american cars, think about buying american next time you go to wal-mart and buy something. Look at where it is made. most Anything you buy nowadays isn't from America. And whoever was saying that It is not right to not buy american, most Likely you own a lot of stuff in your home that is not american made.

Now personally when I go spend $25,000 to $30,000 on a truck I am going to buy the best truck out there. And lately Chevy hasn't really been stepping up to the plate, so i bought the one that i feel is a better truck. My Titan will blow a Chevy 5.3 truck out of the water(and i know that out of experience), It will tow better than any Chevy I have ever towed with, and It is one of the smoothest riding yet most capable 4x4s around.

I believe that now the Jap trucks that are made in America are better trucks than any of the domestic. So I say when looking at a truck and putting your money down for the truck, especially how expensive they are now, I think you should look at all the truck makers around, and decide which one is the best for you and the best investment at the time.

And toyota's aren't the best looking but they make a good truck, especially now with the bigger motor.

This sounds like a post a couple of weeks ago. But least this time Blenderwizard isn't being such a jerk. I have always owned a Chevy up until about a month or so ago. And I looked at Chevy's and planned on buying one until I drove one of the Nissan Titans. Now as much as people say how crappy it is too not buy american cars, think about buying american next time you go to wal-mart and buy something. Look at where it is made. most Anything you buy nowadays isn't from America. And whoever was saying that It is not right to not buy american, most Likely you own a lot of stuff in your home that is not american made.

Now personally when I go spend $25,000 to $30,000 on a truck I am going to buy the best truck out there. And lately Chevy hasn't really been stepping up to the plate, so i bought the one that i feel is a better truck. My Titan will blow a Chevy 5.3 truck out of the water(and i know that out of experience), It will tow better than any Chevy I have ever towed with, and It is one of the smoothest riding yet most capable 4x4s around.

I believe that now the Jap trucks that are made in America are better trucks than any of the domestic. So I say when looking at a truck and putting your money down for the truck, especially how expensive they are now, I think you should look at all the truck makers around, and decide which one is the best for you and the best investment at the time.

And toyota's aren't the best looking but they make a good truck, especially now with the bigger motor.

So, why are you still here? Here's my problem, and why I haven't been a "jerk" in this thread.

Regardless of my opinion, which is well known at this point, it is your money, and you can spend it however you want. My problem is when someone does spend their money how they want, and still insist on coming back in this part of the forum, seemingly just to bash our shit, like yourself.

And I'd be happy to test your theory about outrunning a 5.3, if I ever came across you, provided I get my truck back from the bodyshop before i'm 50.

This sounds like a post a couple of weeks ago. But least this time Blenderwizard isn't being such a jerk. I have always owned a Chevy up until about a month or so ago. And I looked at Chevy's and planned on buying one until I drove one of the Nissan Titans. Now as much as people say how crappy it is too not buy american cars, think about buying american next time you go to wal-mart and buy something. Look at where it is made. most Anything you buy nowadays isn't from America. And whoever was saying that It is not right to not buy american, most Likely you own a lot of stuff in your home that is not american made.

Now personally when I go spend $25,000 to $30,000 on a truck I am going to buy the best truck out there. And lately Chevy hasn't really been stepping up to the plate, so i bought the one that i feel is a better truck. My Titan will blow a Chevy 5.3 truck out of the water(and i know that out of experience), It will tow better than any Chevy I have ever towed with, and It is one of the smoothest riding yet most capable 4x4s around.

I believe that now the Jap trucks that are made in America are better trucks than any of the domestic. So I say when looking at a truck and putting your money down for the truck, especially how expensive they are now, I think you should look at all the truck makers around, and decide which one is the best for you and the best investment at the time.

And toyota's aren't the best looking but they make a good truck, especially now with the bigger motor.

Appearantly this guy has never towed with Chevy.....I too would be more than happy to accomodate his theory anytime.
Also he needs to change his login now that he has converted to being a Jap...May I suggest JapPOSLvr or at least LilRedPOS. Whatever you do take the botie part out. You disgrace the race.

Appearantly this guy has never towed with Chevy.....I too would be more than happy to accomodate his theory anytime.
Also he needs to change his login now that he has converted to being a Jap...May I suggest JapPOSLvr or at least LilRedPOS. Whatever you do take the botie part out. You disgrace the race.

I think you missed his entire point.. he is not dogging Chevy.. he is just saying that the Nissan Titan fit his needs better. He is also saying to have an open mind and there is nothing wrong with that.

Most domestic vehicles are NOT made in America, but Foreign vehicles are.

I think you missed his entire point.. he is not dogging Chevy.. he is just saying that the Nissan Titan fit his needs better. He is also saying to have an open mind and there is nothing wrong with that.

Most domestic vehicles are NOT made in America, but Foreign vehicles are.


Foreign vehicles are ASSEMBLED in America, but most are assembled from foreign parts.

My truck has some parts from Canada, and some from Mexico, but it was assembled right here. However, last I checked, Canada and Mexico were in North America, thereby making them American.

Regardless, GM is an American owned company. Nissan, Toyota, etc., are foreign owned, though they do employ many Americans. However, earnings from american companies go to american companies, and profits from foreign companies go to foreign companies.

The only reason these foreign companies have set up shop here is to avoid our tariffs. I don't know how the taxes or whatever apply to the foreign (actually Alien is the proper term here) companies, but we should charge the shit out of them, if we're not.

Oh, and I got my truck back from the body shop today.

Just because Canada and Mexico sit on the same continent does not mean they are part of the US. They ARE separate countries.

Just because Canada and Mexico sit on the same continent does not mean they are part of the US. They ARE separate countries.


Nobody was arguing that. I just find it funny that people argue they're not "American"

Actually JDCowboy I have owned two Chevys, my step dad has owned four and we have towed with every one of them. And my Titan will outpull them. Now you are saying stuff about me talking down to Chevy's, least I have driven them so i know how and what they will do. Have you driven one of the Titans? And if not what gives you thr right to call it a POS. And I will still always look at Chevy's when I go to buy a new truck i just found the Titan did what I needed better than the chevys do at the moment. I am not meaning to trash them because they have done me good when I have had one. I was just tlking about what I have fund the Titan to do better And Blenderwizard dont the body shops take forever. I had to take my old chevy into one and it took about a month o get it done. And all they were doing was putting me an SS front bumper and rear Bumper and painting some stuff to match it all.

Actually JDCowboy I have owned two Chevys, my step dad has owned four and we have towed with every one of them. And my Titan will outpull them. Now you are saying stuff about me talking down to Chevy's, least I have driven them so i know how and what they will do. Have you driven one of the Titans? And if not what gives you thr right to call it a POS. And I will still always look at Chevy's when I go to buy a new truck i just found the Titan did what I needed better than the chevys do at the moment. I am not meaning to trash them because they have done me good when I have had one. I was just tlking about what I have fund the Titan to do better And Blenderwizard dont the body shops take forever. I had to take my old chevy into one and it took about a month o get it done. And all they were doing was putting me an SS front bumper and rear Bumper and painting some stuff to match it all.


It's pretty sweet... They had to repaint the front clip, and the paint matches perfectly. They used polishing compound on the rest of the truck to make it match, and it does. They also detailed the interior, and even cleaned my wheels and shined my tires at no additional charge.

You should put an updated Picture. Before I wrecked my 2003 regular cab, I had the front clip all painted red to match, I had the bo-tie painted red to match, and the SS bumpers put on it to match and it looked freaking awesome. I want to keep my Titan as a work truck and buy me another regular cab Chevy as a street truck cause I miss that truck. And I like that silver strip you have on the bottom of your truck and tailgate

Actually JDCowboy I have owned two Chevys, my step dad has owned four and we have towed with every one of them. And my Titan will outpull them. Now you are saying stuff about me talking down to Chevy's, least I have driven them so i know how and what they will do. Have you driven one of the Titans? And if not what gives you thr right to call it a POS. And I will still always look at Chevy's when I go to buy a new truck i just found the Titan did what I needed better than the chevys do at the moment. I am not meaning to trash them because they have done me good when I have had one. I was just tlking about what I have fund the Titan to do better And Blenderwizard dont the body shops take forever. I had to take my old chevy into one and it took about a month o get it done. And all they were doing was putting me an SS front bumper and rear Bumper and painting some stuff to match it all.


And what Chevy's did you own a 78 Vega and a 83 Chevette. I am calling your bluff amigo. The Titan never will be a better truck. Even if they were I would not buy one. I am not open minded when it comes to supporting a damn country that blindsided us barely over 50 years ago. My neighbor happens to have one of your POS pickups. So yes I know what they are all about. No I would not even think of buying one for a dozen legit reasons. Try a Duramax on for size if you really want to be into towing.......ooops wheres the Titan's diesel???????? Have a great weekend but dont bitch about how little you make.

well, all I have to say is thank god you picked a titan over the ugliest POS vehicle ever made (Tundra). I love watching those tundra commercials, "we can go 0-60 in six seconds", we can "push" 10,000 lbs (5k for the truck and 5k for the trailer, btw), and in the background you see a bunch of F-150's. I can't wait until all them suckers that bought those trucks have to replace a tranny at 75k and an engine at 100k (sorry that it won't be covered under your warranty, wah wah).

I think the problem that most people have with the new silverados/sierras is that they are no longer plain old work trucks. These are classy-looking trucks that still have the muscle to "go to work". Once the "old-fashioned boys" see some of these new gmt-900's lifted with some big ol' swappers I think they'll change their minds.

Actually JDcowboy I have owned an 2003 Chevy with the 5.3, a 99 Chevy with the 4.8. My step dad has owned a 97, 95, 94, and a 89 all with the 5.7, and I have driven a Ch evy with the 6.0 and an HD with the duramax so I am pretty sure I Know what every motor of Chevy can do. And trust me I make plenty of money. But I dont know where or how that got brought into it. But if I go spend 25000 on a truck, then add the extended warranty, and Then put a lift, tires, and plenty of other aftermarket goodies on it, while still paying for my Fiance's Dodge ram, my two four wheelers and my Harley and my girls Honda crotch rocket and still paying for gas and having plenty of money to put away into savings but i guess that isn't making enough money. But thats cool I understand.
And yes you are right the duramax will out pull it. I have never argued that and am not going to. So you can call my bluff if you want but I have driven every one of Chevy's V-8's and the only one that might be able to keep up with the 5.6 is the 6.0 and of course the 8.1 and 6.6 duramax, not the 5.3 unless it has been modified. And actually I will have a great weekend because I am going to hook up my 20 foot trailer and go with the girl and ride our four-wheelers out at the four-wheeling park, after which I will probably go mudding in my truck. But man that might put me tight on cash maybe I shouldn't do that. But maybe the $6,000 I have in my checking account can cover it but it might be tight.
So I guess you ran out of stuff to dog on my truck, so you had to try to take a stab at my personal life about how much money I make and obviously that isn't going to work, so what you going to try next?
And you have

And ya the new Tundra's are pretty ugly and I love watching those commercials about them. It makes me laugh every time.

And ya the new Tundra's are pretty ugly and I love watching those commercials about them. It makes me laugh every time.
Considering the Tundra's have more torque and HP than Chevy, I wouldn't laugh too hard. :)

the Tundra's have more torque and HP than Chevy

Barely.

Tundras, Titans and the new Silverados are all ugly. The new Chevy tries way too hard to look like the Titan.

Tundras, Titans and the new Silverados are all ugly. The new Chevy tries way too hard to look like the Titan.
As much as I'd like to disagree, I can't. It's the truth. GM fucked up the new Silvy's. I wish they would have put on the Avalanche/Tahoe front end instead of this flat front.

If I were looking at new trucks, I'd probably get an Avalanche. The F150's are nice, but I just don't think I can become a Ford guy. I'd also consider a Tacoma.

Tundras, Titans and the new Silverados are all ugly. The new Chevy tries way too hard to look like the Titan.


I guess everyone has a right to their opinions.

My biggest complaint is the front bumper. Why not wrap the chrome all the way around? It just doesn't look right to me, but I'll probably get used to it just like I did the cat eye headlights.

My biggest complaint is the front bumper. Why not wrap the chrome all the way around? It just doesn't look right to me, but I'll probably get used to it just like I did the cat eye headlights.


It's just the trend right now.