Few questions reguarding the Stealth

Hi,
Im new to the forums and I have a few questions reguarding the Stealths. I read the FAQ and I found some answers to my other questions. Im looking to buying a Dodge Stealth with a twin turbo. I wanted to know which year would be the most reliable and has the best engine? Im looking at this and the Eagle Talon along with some other imports that have a Inline-4 engine. And my last questions is, does this car put a huge hole in your wallet reguarding insurance? Thanks!

You are 16, you are damn right insurance is going to be high. Even on a TSI Talon insurance is going to be high. At your age you need to find a cheap reliable beater. Because the truth is if youre worried about paying for insurance then the money upkeep costs will kill you.

The reason why I want to get a quicker car is because, I had a 2005 Mazda3speed. Which sucked ass. I liked how it looked and how it handled but, I didnt like how it cost my parents 17,000$ used. I figured I'll get a Stealth and work on it with my dad. Me and my dad do car projects (we supped up a 2002 transam and built an old GTO and Chevelle) together and since Im turning 16, my dad said he'll work on a car with me. He just told me to keep the insurance low.

Well, a TT Stealth or a DSM will not be cheap on insurance. If you want a turbo-charged car that is cheap on insurance you're going to have to buy a Ford Probe GT, a Turbo Dodge, a Saab, or something similar.

How much a month are you looking to spend a month on insurance?

I dont mean dirt cheap like a civic or corolla. Just something that doesnt cost an arm and a leg. We will be insuring it under my mother so it will be cheaper.

you're looking for a quick car that doesn't cost an arm and a leg? haha. those two phrases should never be in the same sentence. if you can find a fast car for cheap, most likely the insurance will be high and/or you'll have to spend a LOT of money in maintenance b/c that car has not been maintained well.

so your dad is familiar with american muscle? well DOHC imports are a whole different ball park. i'm not doubting you or your dad's ability, but i just know from experience that people who jump into the import cars having a background in american muscle get in WAY over their heads. and the only way to get out is to fork over a LOT of cash.

case in point, i know a guy right now who picked up a 93 base 3000GT (normally aspirated, so no turbos). he has owned and worked on several american muscle cars, and he got this 3000GT from his brother b/c it sat for 1 year while his bro TRIED to fix it. so the guy gets the car, timing belt is really loose, so he reads online that all the marks on the cams and crank have to be lined up. so he just turns the cams/crank til all the marks are lined up. he purchases a USED timing tensioner from a junkyard (when i told him how critical the part was and to get a NEW OEM part), then the car won't start. it has ZERO compression. why? because he bent ALL THE INTAKE valves on the front and rear heads by just "lining up the marks". he didn't know that these cars have INTERFERENCE engines, in which the valves and pistons can come in contact with each, if not timed correctly. so now he's gonna drop another $800 on a used motor instead of getting some good heads. and the money pit keeps on growing. he won't listen to my advice about how he should do stuff. he just thinks, "oh, well all i have to do is line the marks up."

what i'm trying to say is that you may think you know cars, but until you actually have experience with DOHC cars, everything else is child's play. i had a 96 camry for 4 years, then got my well maintained 3000GT after doing a LOT of research, and then i had to teach myself how to work on these cars b/c parts alone are SOO expensive. and labor is even more expensive.

i'm not trying to discourage you. all i'm trying to do is put things in perspective.

Buy something else.



After reading the FAQ, the next thread to read is 'Thinking of buying a vr4 for your first car (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=508150)'


Unlike Linebckr, I am 100% trying to discourage you.

the stealth is a good car, i'm 19 and my insurance is 900 every six months, granted i dnt have a clean slate, but rolling thru a stop sign and not using ur blinker arent going to kill it.
a fast cheap car, haha, i hae to agree never to b used in the same phrase.
as for knowing muscle and imports, my dad who loves american cars and will only buy american cars, he took one look at the engine bay and said no, no way ur on ur own with fixing this.
which by the way do they make hanes repair manuals for the 3/s 1st gen.
the cars are both reliable, i'vee seen them with upwards of 250k on em, including the tt's(haha almost looks like tits). if u live in jersey, theres a 94 stealth up thte rd from me for 1800, needs a little work, i think its the base model or es. as for the work, it needs a head gasket and something else i think. o hood paint.
u could, i'm not trying to force u away from the 3/s, but u could also think aboutthe 300zx z32, they can b cheap and u can have tons of fun with those.
the stealth tt and the vr4 are a double edged sword. rare and future collectables, but to damn fun to drive to just let it sit there and gain value.
i'm trying to get a high milage one, so i can drive that and let the other one sit for sundays

Thankyou all for your posts. The stealth will be my 3rd car. I had a 94' Grand Prix for a half of a year and and then I bought a mazda3 and now Im getting rid of it. Well if you think about it, a cheap car to me is under $9,000. I looks like a stealth is capable of tons of speed with a couple grand put into it.

i think it was Igovert that once said...Fast, Reliable, Cheap. You can have 2 of the 3.

I wish i had your budget when i was 3/S shopping lol.

Wasn't me...I've quoted it a few times, but I didnt' coin it. It was Igovert however who said, 'I am 100% trying to discourage you'.

You are 16 and have gone through 2 cars already....why???

Because I get bored easily :P Na, I dunno I had the Grand Prix so I could get used to driving then my parents bought me the mazda for my birthday. I'm actually suprised I havent recked yet lol.

Uhhh....I highly doubt that you got bored of a Mazdaspeed 3. 263, turbocharged horsepower in a car that weighs just over a Mini.




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i'd get bored with it. it's a four cyl. theey r great comuter engines, but performance is rediculaus for only a few.

It sounds like a battery powered engine, I want something with a little bit more power to get peoples heads turnin. I dont think the mazda's have all that great of an engine, I wish it had an inline-4 :D

...dont they??? :sly:

What i have read.. kinda contradict itself... IF YOU WANT A FAST CAR AND YOU ARE SUPRIZED YOU HAVE NOT WREACKED YOUR MAZDA YET DONT DO IT!!!!!!! Dude its a part of growing up.. there is a reason fast cars are more expensive.. for 1 you can't aford it if your young (usualy that is... cause you have school or dont have a good job and don't yet know how to create lots of value to employers AKA MO money!) And by the time you start figuring that out and making more money and working harder somthing changes.. you become more and more like an adult.. and going fast to show off and get peoples heads to turn in the middle of rush hour traffic no longer becomes somthing you wish to do because you now how value for your life!!
The first car i bought was a 1996 hundia accent its my aviator picture.. as you can see in the picture i was a dumb ass.. (i still think its a cool pic though haha) I Wreacked that car in a parking lot into a tree and a fire hydrent.. talk about dumb right.. to make it worse i had a girl in the car with me.. the last thing i said before i wreacked was "hey check this out!".. like i said i am so glad it was a slow car..

Im not saying your not smart.. and when i was 16 i would be pissed if someone commented and even questioned my driving "SKILLS".. but honestly looking back (I am only 21).. I thank god i didnt have a fast car when i was younger.. hell it is still hard for me now not to do stupid things..
anyways just my 2 cents

I think I'm one of the luckier ones. My friend has beaten his car up numerous times. Its a 2005 Mazda6 lol. He went over a 10ft median and went over a curb and also nearly crashed into a guy infront of us because he was too busy texting lol. If I wasnt in the car with him to tell him to break that car would be long gone by now. I might just go for a non-turbo'd or something..

Geo metro's are N/A.

i'd get bored with it. it's a four cyl. theey r great comuter engines, but performance is rediculaus for only a few.
Sometimes I wonder what the hell youre talking about. So my turbo DSM is easy to get bored with since its just a 4 cylinder?

wat about a firebird, they turn heads, have the luxeries of the stealth, and are rwd, u can have tons of fun with that, and they tend to b cheaper, unless they r trans am's or ws6's

and did i mention that some four cylds are fun, they just cant make the same damn exhaust note as every other 4 banger.

The mazdaspeed 3 does have an inline 4..........

God dam... I guess you really have to add a turbo or something for the I4 to be good. But, then again I have an automatic with a stripped first gear due to too many neutral starts :D

and did i mention that some four cylds are fun, they just cant make the same damn exhaust note as every other 4 banger.
My Talon sounds bad ass thank you very much. Hell my brothers Neon doesnt sound bad. Not all 4 cylinders sound bad.

my neon only sounds good under hard eceleration. mind u i have a 95 neon stock, nothing special.
yea i think mazda is getting away from the rotory, the miata is a 4, the tribute was a 4 or 6, and the 3 and 6 are 4's and 6's.
and wat u said is exactly wat i said, just worded differently

How much will the twin turbo stealth eat out of my pocket on insurance. I have geicko.

Depends on your credit score, age, driving record, which state you live in etc. In general they are pretty spendy to insure. They are listed under "urban exotic" for insurance purposes.

ive got Gecko too and mines not terrible. my premium is $445 per 6 months w/o collision. But i have it as a 2nd car, drive it only a couple kmi per year, im 24, and i have a spotless record. Age is what's gonna kill you.
I'm putting collision back on it in the spring, so it will probably be around 600 per 6 months.

$426/6 months for full coverage, full tort, $250 deductible on the Talon. :D Then again, I am 26. :lol:

my neon only sounds good under hard eceleration. mind u i have a 95 neon stock

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vector, this is like the 2 billionth time you've been warned for hijacking threads and posting unrelated nonsense. This is not a chatroom. If you wanna post off topic, we have a thread for that. I've warned you before, as have other mods...and I told you last time, that this would result in temp ban if you did it again. See you in a few days.





Back on topic. As far as insurance, these guys got some crazy rates. With a clean driving record through Progressive, in NY, when I was 20, I got quoted 5k a year. After I pulled every deduction possible, and defensive driving, and lied about daytime running lights, I got it down to ~3,200 a year. Even now 4 years later, switching to Travelers and moving to PA, I've only just gotten it down to 1,500 a year.

At your age, insurance is going to be insane. Yet another reason, I don't suggest this car for you.

u know ur ban, my comp froze, and that's wat was posted, the rest never got typed b4 it was posted