my civic vs. an integra ls

okay so... i haven't been racing that long (considering i'm only 16), but this was the best race i've ever had so far.

i was comin home one night about 11 pm. i was drivin pretty fast down the highway when i come up to an integra that was really low. i figured he looked like he'd race me so i reved my engine and of course he reved his and took off. all the sudden we came up to a bunch of traffic so i slowed down and i was like crap. but eventually i got through it and i caught up again. we stopped at a light and he looked over at me. we reved our engines again. he was pretty confident since it looked like i just had a civic engine with some exhaust. little did he know i had an h22 under my hood. haha. yeah so.. we took off both of burnt out. and he pulled way out in front of me (about a car length) and i thought i was actually gonna lose. i was just gonna give up and call it a night since it was friday and there's usually cops on this road, but something came over me. i decided i'd try and catch up with him. as soon as we got into 5th i flew past him. i was gettin pretty nervous cuz he wouldn't give up. we kept going faster and faster. i topped out my civic spedometer when i finally put enough distance between me and him that he just gave up. it was awesome. i felt so great. racing's a drug and i'm addicted. it gave me a rush for real. we were goin about 130 maybe 140. i dunno cuz my spedometer only goes up to 130, but since i have an h22 i can go a whole lot faster. yeah so. that's all.

Sounds like a good race. You know what kind of Integra? GSR, ITR? You got some pics of your setup?

Nice kill.

but since you are young you have alot to learn. keep it safe man usually nothing good comes from racing that fast on the street. and no "win" on the street is worth blowing your motor, killing someone or yourself or wrecking your car just remember that much.

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these pix are a little old, but yeah. there ya go.

haha, nice sleeper!

ditch the stupid spoiler and that car would be nice

nice kill. but i have to agree, with the enthusiasm of youth comes inexperience and i've seen too many wrecked cars on the highway and more often than not, there was a young driver(s). civics werent designed to go 130+ so i hope you have a nice set of grippy tires :)

ditch the stupid spoiler and that car would be nice

Or keep the spoiler and people will figure you have a D15 with an intake and fart can. PWN.

haha, nice sleeper!

sleepers usually have no or very little body work so that they have a stock appearance. the 8" tip and 747 wing don't really say "sleeper" to me :lol:

ditch the stupid spoiler and that car would be nice

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well, if i was TRYING to make it look like a sleeper i wouldn't have put the spoiler on. i'm buying some coilovers soon so i can raise it up enough to put a body kit on it. i'm not trying to make it a sleeper. i'm doin what i like.

sleepers usually have no or very little body work so that they have a stock appearance. the 8" tip and 747 wing don't really say "sleeper" to me :lol:


what does it say? ricer right?

put the right driver in that car with some better bolt on's and you have yourself an easy 13 sec ride that everyone thinks would run 16.70's. Throw some nice tires and a 50 shot on there and you could have a cheap reliable good gas mileage 12 sec car.

deception is the key to having a sleeper. :2cents:

well in my opinion. the ideal car not only is fast, but it looks good. so yeah. i'm putting my money into both... mostly the engine but yeah. i think both is important.

well in my opinion. the ideal car not only is fast, but it looks good. so yeah. i'm putting my money into both... mostly the engine but yeah. i think both is important.

Just so you know big wings, and hub caps are not going to get you too many thumbs up for good looks. they are generally frowned upon and dont be suprised if you get hated on for it.

Im no wing expert but yours looks to be on wrong. even if you did need a wing that big on a civic it doesn't look like yours would work.

these pix are a little old, but yeah. there ya go.
Your car sucks. its a peice of dog Scheiße on wheels

i dnt mean to start nething, but y do soo many people think that civics are hot shit. i mean they look decent, IN STOCK FORM. but they're slower in stock form than my first gen Dodge Neon. and the accord isnt much better, the accord 4cyl non vtec has one hp more, and it weighs like 500lbs more. the only imports i have respect for r the ones that r quick without upgrades. one's that most of u probably cant afford.
tho u could afford it if u didnt put 5g into a car worth 2g.
as for that spoiler i have to agree i think its on wrong. and the exhaust isnt helping. it isnt allowing for enuf backpressure, and therefor ur hp is actually lower. and the cold intake doesnt make enuf of a difference to suffice for the lose.

i dnt mean to start nething, but y do soo many people think that civics are hot shit. i mean they look decent, IN STOCK FORM. but they're slower in stock form than my first gen Dodge Neon. and the accord isnt much better, the accord 4cyl non vtec has one hp more, and it weighs like 500lbs more. the only imports i have respect for r the ones that r quick without upgrades. one's that most of u probably cant afford.
tho u could afford it if u didnt put 5g into a car worth 2g.
as for that spoiler i have to agree i think its on wrong. and the exhaust isnt helping. it isnt allowing for enuf backpressure, and therefor ur hp is actually lower. and the cold intake doesnt make enuf of a difference to suffice for the lose.

you do know you dont have any clue what you are talking about right? :rolleyes:

what do you drive that makes you so much better?

alright man. don't be talkin shit about civics. you don't know what you're talking about. what do you drive?

wtf?

Good lord this is ready to be locked.

a dodge stealth tt, or a dodge neon, depends on which one has more gas in it, and where i'm going. noen if i'm takinga long trip and the stealth for fun days out on the rd.
as for the exhaust it is well known that 3inch exhaust doesnt help a lower power car, a 300zx yea it helps that, tho their pipes are made to hold the power it has then some.
the only purpose a 3inch exhaust has on ne car under 200hp, is if u plan on uping the power well abouve 250hp.
civics arent worth my time, wat gives with spending 5g on a civic with 150k on it, wen my neon cost 2400 with 21k on it.
and the civics and accords i'm talking about are from the same yr as my neon. my friends accord(97) has 133hp stock, the vtec in the same yr has 145, and they both still wigh more than my neon.

a dodge stealth tt, or a dodge neon, depends on which one has more gas in it, and where i'm going. noen if i'm takinga long trip and the stealth for fun days out on the rd.
as for the exhaust it is well known that 3inch exhaust doesnt help a lower power car, a 300zx yea it helps that, tho their pipes are made to hold the power it has then some.
the only purpose a 3inch exhaust has on ne car under 200hp, is if u plan on uping the power well abouve 250hp.
civics arent worth my time, wat gives with spending 5g on a civic with 150k on it, wen my neon cost 2400 with 21k on it.
and the civics and accords i'm talking about are from the same yr as my neon. my friends accord(97) has 133hp stock, the vtec in the same yr has 145, and they both still wigh more than my neon.

first of all who said anything about a 3" exhaust? you just argued with yourself there buddy.

second if civic's arent worth your time why are you here talking shit about them? :uhoh:

lol no one cares about stock civic's or accord's thats why most people modify them. :shakehead

a dodge stealth tt, or a dodge neon, depends on which one has more gas in it, and where i'm going. noen if i'm takinga long trip and the stealth for fun days out on the rd.
as for the exhaust it is well known that 3inch exhaust doesnt help a lower power car, a 300zx yea it helps that, tho their pipes are made to hold the power it has then some.
the only purpose a 3inch exhaust has on ne car under 200hp, is if u plan on uping the power well abouve 250hp.
civics arent worth my time, wat gives with spending 5g on a civic with 150k on it, wen my neon cost 2400 with 21k on it.
and the civics and accords i'm talking about are from the same yr as my neon. my friends accord(97) has 133hp stock, the vtec in the same yr has 145, and they both still wigh more than my neon.


But then your driving a neon! Screw stock. What the hell is fun about driving a stock car? There are plenty of civics out there that are pushing insane power and are light to boot. The only neon I even halfway respect is the SRT-4, and that's iffy. Quality on them sucks from what I've been hearing, and throw a turbo on a honda and you'll smoke 'em even if everything else is stock.

lol no one cares about stock civic's or accord's thats why most people modify them. :shakehead

with a wing, bodykit, and fart cannon. let's see some before and after dyno pulls with those sick nasty mods :ylsuper:

with a wing, bodykit, and fart cannon. let's see some before and after dyno pulls with those sick nasty mods :ylsuper:

Go on over to honda-tech where real honda enthusiasts are. not ricers.
It's all about lookin clean or being fast or both none of that big wing, led lights all over the place bs.

the only modded civics i like, are the ones that r well done, not the shit where the body kit is still primmed but the car is red.
as for the srt4, it is stated and very well known that it actually puts out 250hp, not the advertised 230hp. as for quality, i wouldnt know, i dont care much for em. and u can throw a turbo on a civic, and yet u can upgrade a neon's turbo, my cousins neighbor has i think 350hp on his srt4 neon.
and how light is a civic 4dr, not the light as hell 19g or w/e Si's
"as for then ur driving a neon!" wat the hell's that mean, it's still quicker than a stock civic or equal cost.
i prefer stock, if a car was ment to have 250hp or w/e wouldnt the company have designed it that way, or make a varient with that much power, and sit an inch lower than the base, and weighs 150lbs less, and a whole whopping 30tq more. if it was to have 250hp from the factory they'd love it, more money for them, to bad the only companies to ever do that was, nissan with the nismo gtr, and ford(yea i know ford) and the focus(yea, focus, more like fucass)
as for the fart cannon, it doesnt do nething, but warn that it's coming from a mile away. and same with a cold air intake, it adds up to 10%, that's with certain cars(mostly suv's and pick-ups) if u have a 127hp civic getting the most 10% hp gain thats still only 140hp. it's still b lower than the 2dr neons from 95-99(150hp or so)

Oh god. There was once a thread that began with a civic coupe racing an Integra ls. It quickly became a craptastic Factfest of how a neon is better than a four door civic. Oh and an accord. Thankfully it was closed shortly after by the moderator.

lol you can tell when people dont know too much cuz they spew out googled engine spec's like its their job.

lawl this is a funny ass thread.

anyways sure the civic has a better engine if it does have the swaped h22 (i don't know the look of engines very well, despite owning an accord) but i really don't like the wing and the hubcaps. i'll be honest bud, the wing looks like shit, it's not even facing in such a way that it'll make downforce, and if it was i can guarantee that it wasn't designed in a wind tunnel and it'll never generate any kind of downforce worth talking about. the only thing that wing is doing is creating drag which is robing your top end and killing gas mileage.

the fart can isn't adding horsepower unless you've got the whole exhaust system upgraded. if you don't have headers, cat back, maybe even a high flow cat, the muffler isn't going to add anything. and no, a decrease in backpressure won't drop horsepower. it's best to have no backpressure, but if the exhaust is too large it won't allow the exhaust to have enough velocity, this will rob the scavenging effect and will decrease power.

anyways nice kill with the integra, but i'd keep racing to a minimum. when i race, which isn't often at all, it's at night when not many people are around, and i shut down once i know who won. going up to 130mph is just dangerous, i know you think you can handle the car but you won't be able to stop if something runs in front of you, and the car wasn't designed to go that fast.

dude. this tread really is kinda funny. i really started this just telling about my win... now all this crap. whatever. imports > domestic. sorry. that's the truth. neons suck. i don't really get why american made enthusiasts even bother coming onto HONDA forums. if you think y'alls cars are so much better go talk about them on y'alls own forums. if i really wanted to hear all about dodge neons i would post on the dodge forums. thanks. get off of the honda forum if you're gonna talk junk about hondas.

yeah, and i would agree the hubcaps are lame, but i'm waiting on getting some real rims. oh and correct me if i'm wrong but i thought that "ricers" put all their money into the exterior and don't really do anything to the engine. as far as my car goes... there's been about 4 grand spent under the hood and i've put about 100 into the exterior. ricer? naw. i just like a good looking car... and a fast good looking car at that. :grinyes:

dude. this tread really is kinda funny. i really started this just telling about my win... now all this crap. whatever. imports > domestic. sorry. that's the truth. neons suck. i don't really get why american made enthusiasts even bother coming onto HONDA forums. if you think y'alls cars are so much better go talk about them on y'alls own forums. if i really wanted to hear all about dodge neons i would post on the dodge forums. thanks. get off of the honda forum if you're gonna talk junk about hondas.

yeah, and i would agree the hubcaps are lame, but i'm waiting on getting some real rims. oh and correct me if i'm wrong but i thought that "ricers" put all their money into the exterior and don't really do anything to the engine. as far as my car goes... there's been about 4 grand spent under the hood and i've put about 100 into the exterior. ricer? naw. i just like a good looking car... and a fast good looking car at that. :grinyes:

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that's not rice? ..............um whatever you say kid. and "whatever. imports > domestic. sorry. that's the truth. neons suck." at least you have a ricer mentality to go with your probably mid 14 second shit box. oh yeah, and :grinyes:

Just so you know big wings, and hub caps are not going to get you too many thumbs up for good looks. they are generally frowned upon and dont be suprised if you get hated on for it.

Im no wing expert but yours looks to be on wrong. even if you did need a wing that big on a civic it doesn't look like yours would work.


yea lose the hubs and the wing and u got a pretty nice ride

i'll agree the neon isnt the greatest wen it comes to lasting for a long time, but i dnt plan on owning the car till i can bury it, i'm probably gonna have for the next 2months, i just found some idiot willing to pay 3g for it, more than i did, as for american cars being worse than import, yea, thats y there are more american cars on the rd than imports, yes toyota just overtook ford and became the number one car company in the world, but still how many toyota's acura's and honda's are on the most stollen list. i think the highest placed american car is an 03-04 mercury maruader because they were only made for one yr. people that want parts for it go to a dealer and pay thru the ass. if u come upon a stollen piece(fender) it'll be cheaper.
as for ur spoiler i still think it's on upside down.
i dont look up power on google, exept for maybe lambo and shit, i look in car mags, where the advertised power is what they get off a dyno or from the company.
god and i love people that say y'all, and better yet, y'alls

i'll agree the neon isnt the greatest wen it comes to lasting for a long time, but i dnt plan on owning the car till i can bury it, i'm probably gonna have for the next 2months, i just found some idiot willing to pay 3g for it, more than i did, as for american cars being worse than import, yea, thats y there are more american cars on the rd than imports, yes toyota just overtook ford and became the number one car company in the world, but still how many toyota's acura's and honda's are on the most stollen list. i think the highest placed american car is an 03-04 mercury maruader because they were only made for one yr. people that want parts for it go to a dealer and pay thru the ass. if u come upon a stollen piece(fender) it'll be cheaper.
as for ur spoiler i still think it's on upside down.
i dont look up power on google, exept for maybe lambo and shit, i look in car mags, where the advertised power is what they get off a dyno or from the company.
god and i love people that say y'all, and better yet, y'alls


I was gonna comment but lol you will never see the light so its not even worth my time to type it all out. stay in school! :2cents:

i'll agree the neon isnt the greatest wen it comes to lasting for a long time, but i dnt plan on owning the car till i can bury it, i'm probably gonna have for the next 2months, i just found some idiot willing to pay 3g for it, more than i did, as for american cars being worse than import, yea, thats y there are more american cars on the rd than imports, yes toyota just overtook ford and became the number one car company in the world, but still how many toyota's acura's and honda's are on the most stollen list. i think the highest placed american car is an 03-04 mercury maruader because they were only made for one yr. people that want parts for it go to a dealer and pay thru the ass. if u come upon a stollen piece(fender) it'll be cheaper.
as for ur spoiler i still think it's on upside down.
i dont look up power on google, exept for maybe lambo and shit, i look in car mags, where the advertised power is what they get off a dyno or from the company.
god and i love people that say y'all, and better yet, y'alls

What a mess this is. Toyota just over took ford in america, not the world, as far as I know GM is still currently the largest in the world, unless last year toyota eclipsed them, either way world status hasn't changed recently. What relevance does being stolen have to anything? Who cares about a marauder? If you don't use google, than maybe you should. At least you could write a useful post. I hope this thread is locked before one more of my brain cells dies for this craptacular thread.

man this forum is messed up. i don't know why people have to criticize my taste for cars. i mean, come on. if i like my "ricer" spoiler what's that to you? get over it. geez. it's my car. when you got y'alls first cars i'll bet you were pumped up about it too. i came on to this forum expecting to be able to talk to some people and learn from some people that know what they're doing. not be picked apart about what i like and don't like. y'all are jerks. that's right "y'all". rot in hell.
gah. :banghead:

peace out *$@%^es. go hate on someone elses ride. i'm out.

not even worth commenting, but i'll do it anyways because i've got nothing better to do right now.

"imports>domestics" stupid comment, not all imports are better than all domestics. they all have their pros and cons. i would MUCH rather have a mustang over a hyundai.

i understand that you would be pumped for your first car, i just got mine in august, a 1992 honda accord. it's bone stock, and will look that way until i get rid of it, no matter what i do under the hood. why? because i don't want to advertise to every cop on the street that i've got stuff going on, that way they won't be watching me like a hawk for speeding. not only that, but i like doing things that will make my car go faster, if it doesn't than it's pointless. if a wing would make my car handle better i might consider buying one, but it won't, it'll ruin my gas mileage, and if it actually makes downforce could make the car handle worse. if you posted a list of your mods it might back your "i'm not a ricer" argument, because right now you look alot like one.

the reason alot of people don't like you right now is because you're showing the exact attitude that give alot of us car enthusiasts bad names. the main thing is that you're saying domestics suck, which is a retarded statement and will only make you enemies. if you can't appreciate that someone's opinion might not be the same than yours about cars then don't call yourself a car enthusiast, call yourself a honda fanatic, because that's what you are. sure, i'll admit that i don't like very many domestics but i won't say that they're worse than any other car, i reserve that comment for korean cars, why is that? because i can accept that someone likes his neon better than my accord, and that's fine with me.

another thing is that you're coming in here and arguing with people when you don't have much knowledge about cars, how they work, etc. that again will only make you enemies, because if you come in here thinking you're hot shit and don't respect that others know more than you and aren't willing to try and learn, then there's no point in talking because you won't get anywhere.

if you can't accept criticism about your car, then don't bother talking about it, not everyone is going to share your opinion.

anyways that's my rant

who doesnt have knowledge of cars, me. cause i do know a lot about cars.
as for staying in skool i already graduated. college isnt my thing, i'm not much for studying, as for spelling and grammer used on here, i dnt care, it's the f'in internet, my past english teachers arent going to read this and give me a grade, so i dnt care.
as for the common misperception that imports are better than domestics, is because in the 70's wen honda toyota and nissan became more popular, they didnt give up quality, they increased it along with production. it was 1 out of 100 imports were problematic. the domestics, still wanted to flood the market with cars, so quality went out the door, and production went thru the roof, it was close to 10/100 were faulty. since the mid 90's domestics have gone up an incredable amount in quality. the only reason they're having problems now are because they have unions, and imports dnt, ford is having to pay for people that havent worked for them in 20yrs, while toyota and so on are just waving good bye, and never looking back.
i never really ment to say the civic or accord are shit, they r nice cars, jusst like my neon is, for what they are ment for, economy cars to get u to the city on one gallon of gas, they arent ment for racing, if they were honda and dodge wouuld've designed em that way, that's y they made the srt4 and the Si's. they relized that there was a huge following in the aftermarket for those types of cars. and if they could make money off it they would, and did.
and i'm not saaying it's a ricer special spoiler, i think it's on upsdie down, i've never seen one like that, where the back points down and not up, that to me would seem to produce more drag than nething else.

Your car sucks. its a peice of dog Scheiße on wheels Hey dawg back over my buddie. I bet your car sucked when you first got it so shut the F up

not even worth commenting, but i'll do it anyways because i've got nothing better to do right now.

"imports>domestics" stupid comment, not all imports are better than all domestics. they all have their pros and cons. i would MUCH rather have a mustang over a hyundai.

i understand that you would be pumped for your first car, i just got mine in august, a 1992 honda accord. it's bone stock, and will look that way until i get rid of it, no matter what i do under the hood. why? because i don't want to advertise to every cop on the street that i've got stuff going on, that way they won't be watching me like a hawk for speeding. not only that, but i like doing things that will make my car go faster, if it doesn't than it's pointless. if a wing would make my car handle better i might consider buying one, but it won't, it'll ruin my gas mileage, and if it actually makes downforce could make the car handle worse. if you posted a list of your mods it might back your "i'm not a ricer" argument, because right now you look alot like one.

the reason alot of people don't like you right now is because you're showing the exact attitude that give alot of us car enthusiasts bad names. the main thing is that you're saying domestics suck, which is a retarded statement and will only make you enemies. if you can't appreciate that someone's opinion might not be the same than yours about cars then don't call yourself a car enthusiast, call yourself a honda fanatic, because that's what you are. sure, i'll admit that i don't like very many domestics but i won't say that they're worse than any other car, i reserve that comment for korean cars, why is that? because i can accept that someone likes his neon better than my accord, and that's fine with me.

another thing is that you're coming in here and arguing with people when you don't have much knowledge about cars, how they work, etc. that again will only make you enemies, because if you come in here thinking you're hot shit and don't respect that others know more than you and aren't willing to try and learn, then there's no point in talking because you won't get anywhere.

if you can't accept criticism about your car, then don't bother talking about it, not everyone is going to share your opinion.

anyways that's my rant

alright. you guys are right. "imports>domestic" was a stupid comment. i don't know why i said it b/c my friend's srt would kill me. it was stupid. i'll leave it at that.
but...
y'all act like i don't understand the benefits of making my car a "sleeper". i know it will decrease the chance of cops watching me, make people underestimate me... etc. i do. i just want my car to look good as well as be fast. like... something you'd see in import tuner. if it's stupid all well. why does everyone have to be so hostile? i like my spoiler. here's my mods.

performance upgrades...

h22 engine swap.
headers.
intake.
exhaust.
lowering springs.
struts.

exterior upgrades...

spoiler.
hub caps.

yeah soo... how am i a ricer?
under the hood so far is only the beginning. i'm only 16. "mid 14 shit box"? i'm pretty sure it'll be faster than that in a couple years.. this ain't too bad for a first (kinda second. first one didn't really count. ha.) car.

i'm not arguing that i know more? i believe i've stated repeatedly that i am new to this. but whatever.

sleepers are great, but not to b mean, but everyone looks at a civic and expects it to have some kinda upgrade, especially with a wing, and a ki driving it, not exactly what i call a sleeper.
a sleeper to me would b a 60's camaro yenko, a 427 in a car that had a 350 as it's largest engine.
by the way, my friend(sore subject) wants to race his civic against my stealth, i know kinda funny. he wants the h22 engine too, how much r those things, and the labor to put it in, and what else would he have to get to make it work?
as for the exhuast as long as it is headers back, than i dnt have a problem with a 2.5 inch pipe. it's just the people with the mufflers(that really dnt muffle) and 3", they annoy me.
and ur civic, it's from the 90's, wats the curb weight on it, he wants a rolling tart, the stealth weighs around 3800lbs, civics weigh wat 2900-3000?

a 1990 civic will weigh in quite a bit less than 3000, It would depend on the trim, but I would say that you have a good 1400 pounds on him if you weigh 3800

sleepers are great, but not to b mean, but everyone looks at a civic and expects it to have some kinda upgrade, especially with a wing, and a ki driving it, not exactly what i call a sleeper.


civics weigh wat 2900-3000?

lol wrong! everyone who sees a civic with a wing and a kid driving it thinks ricer...there is nothing done to his car but little shit no way he has a motor swap bla bla bla the list goes on. Unless you have another ricer or someone who has little knowledge of cars.

and again lol you clearly show everyone you dont know what your talking about why do you keep doing it to yourself? :grinno:

lol wrong! everyone who sees a civic with a wing and a kid driving it thinks ricer...there is nothing done to his car but little shit no way he has a motor swap bla bla bla the list goes on. Unless you have another ricer or someone who has little knowledge of cars.

and again lol you clearly show everyone you dont know what your talking about why do you keep doing it to yourself? :grinno:

:attention

I've been avoiding posting in this shit-fest but since it won't die I'm going to put in my 2 cents...

a sleeper to me would b a 60's camaro yenko, a 427 in a car that had a 350 as it's largest engine.

Right, so no Camaro from the 60's ever came with anything larger than a 350 from the factory? Ever hear of a ZL-1? Or a 396 SS? And Yenko made only high performance cars, there's no way you'd think that bright orange tremor-inducing thing next to you at the light was a sleeper (unless you're an idiot). Every post you make digs you deeper into that hole that says "I know nothing".

And to Hondaman09 - a Civic hatch with an H22 swap will put down a mid 13 1/4 mile with minor bolt-on mods, so I would imagine a sedan would put down a high 13 or low 14, maybe better with some slicks. But those cheesy rims and the large upside-down spoiler scream rice...fix them fast.

Someone please kill this thread.

sleepers are great, but not to b mean, but everyone looks at a civic and expects it to have some kinda upgrade, especially with a wing, and a ki driving it, not exactly what i call a sleeper.
a sleeper to me would b a 60's camaro yenko, a 427 in a car that had a 350 as it's largest engine.
by the way, my friend(sore subject) wants to race his civic against my stealth, i know kinda funny. he wants the h22 engine too, how much r those things, and the labor to put it in, and what else would he have to get to make it work?
as for the exhuast as long as it is headers back, than i dnt have a problem with a 2.5 inch pipe. it's just the people with the mufflers(that really dnt muffle) and 3", they annoy me.
and ur civic, it's from the 90's, wats the curb weight on it, he wants a rolling tart, the stealth weighs around 3800lbs, civics weigh wat 2900-3000?

holy $&%*. does anyone actually read?????? i'm not makin a &^%&$^$ SLEEPER! i know what a sleeper is and obviously i'm not tryin to make one. if someone sees my wing and thinks that i'm a ricer, don't have an engine swap, all i have is just some loud exhaust etc... it really wouldn't bother me. cuz i'll let em put their money where their mouth is and race me. they'll soon find that i'm not a ricer. i've actually done a lot under the hood compared to the exterior.

and as far as the engine swap goes... the engine itself was 1,200 plus the mounts, and all that crap. the labor was extrememly involved (as would any engine swap for that matter).

i'm sick of this. this forum is so *&^&$* up. screw this.

the camaro with a 350, wouldnt b as loud as a camaro with a 427. yes yenko only made higher performance cars, but he was a chevy dealer. and it must have impressed chevy cause they coppied it, hence the copo camaro.
the 396 was only done after the chevelle ss was done with the 396, as yenko did, people swaper, chevy got smart and but a big engine in a lighter car.
and wat because i dnt know the weight of a civic i dnt know nething about cars.
btw he has 280hp at the ground coming out of his civic. we've got 3 races lined up, a rolling start, a standing drag, and a circut. i figure the circut will be close, power to weight is a great advantage for him in that race, but my awd will help keep me glued, plus the better power and tq. the standing drag will b fun, 280hp supercharged vs. 300hp twin turbo'd. his super will kill off the line, but by the time his lack of power comes into play, my urbo's and power will be coming into play, he'll lead for a while and then hopefull i'll blow by, if not just squeez by. the rolling start i really dnt stand much of a chance.

what the heck are you talking about? who cares about camaros? i never said anything about camaros.

Thats an H22?

what the heck are you talking about? who cares about camaros? i never said anything about camaros.

you hear about that camaro with the h22 swap?
http://pageperso.aol.fr/sdgreyefdbv/Funny++F-Bodys/rice-camaro.jpg

well. whatever. i don't know why were talking about that.

nope i guess nobody likes the camaro, that's y it's 3rd in the most anticapated cars coming out in the next 5yrs. the challenger is 1st and the gtr is 2nd.
and i brought it up as an example a page b4 of a sleeper

So putting a smaller motor in a Camaro is an upgrade?

u can put a 3.0l v6 twin turbo in an ss camaro, smaller engine that that 8cyl, and that'll have some advantages to the 8cyl. also it would depend on the yr camaro and what type. camaro's should always keep the same engine unless the other is bigger. bigger is almost always better in cars(he engines)