Sell outs

I used to read SCC a lot. They did a lot of wonderful (non-rice) things to their cars, which I like. It seems like now they go for a lot of aesthetic modifications to their project cars, and give attention to some pretty nice looking, but underpowered cars. Have they gone soft? Have they lost their desire to print info on real sports cars, not just wanna-be's?

Now that mag is a joke to me. I HATE ricers. Only Japanese sports car that SHOULD be is the Supra, 300ZX, and RX7.

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- Lotus -
For The Few Who Know The Difference

Supra, 300ZX, RX-7? That's it? No NSX? No Integra Type R, Skyline, 280Z, S2000, MR-2 turbo, WRX, or Tommy Kaira ZZ?

Paul,
if say something like that and not include the Skyline GT-R in the list, you better watch out. I'll stalk you down and.....
:)

Wo, Down Igor Down. LOL :D

Well,

you listed Supras so that is cool. :D

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Quote: enzo@af ( 2:46 pm on Nov. 28, 2000 )

Supra, 300ZX, RX-7? That's it? No NSX? No Integra Type R, Skyline, 280Z, S2000, MR-2 turbo, WRX, or Tommy Kaira ZZ?

NSX - I forgot that, thats cool but not for me

Integra - hell no

Skyline - Thats cool too

MR2 - thats cool too

NSX - yeah
ACURA- NO cause it is shit!!
SUPRA- 300ZX wanna be but still yes
GTR- HELL YEAH!!
MR2- FUQ the MR2

HEY!!!

Did any of you see that post about what cars people have? Mine is a 1994 supercharged Acura Integra GS-R. It is a REAL sports car, and its fast...

I think you got your ass screwed on backwards big guy. First of all the Supra is not a 300zx wanna be. The 300zx cant even compare to a Supra. Lets not get our panties in a bunch so dont start attacking one of the coolest cars to come out of Japan.

Originally posted by nizmo
NSX - yeah
ACURA- NO cause it is shit!!
SUPRA- 300ZX wanna be but still yes
GTR- HELL YEAH!!
MR2- FUQ the MR2


whoa whoa whoa, Gang$tarr calm down........

Supra 300ZX wanna be, dkflas;ruedjag.asdfajsidfuenv I'M FREAKIN OUT HERE!!!!!

:flamer: NIZMO :rocket: :badass: :aug2:

You must die now..... the Supra is one of the greatest cars ever

Originally posted by paul
Now that mag is a joke to me. I HATE ricers. Only Japanese sports car that SHOULD be is the Supra, 300ZX, and RX7.


Hey paul. I think you need to look the term sports car up in the dictionary:

sports car
n.
An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.


That means, I could get a metro. Fix it all up nice, and technically, it would be a sports car.

Originally posted by Supra Man
I think you got your ass screwed on backwards big guy. First of all the Supra is not a 300zx wanna be. The 300zx cant even compare to a Supra. Lets not get our panties in a bunch so dont start attacking one of the coolest cars to come out of Japan.

I agree man... the 300ZX cant touch a Supra.. Its ok.. but it doesnt deserve that much credit..

Originally posted by kbslacker


Hey paul. I think you need to look the term sports car up in the dictionary:

sports car
n.
An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.


That means, I could get a metro. Fix it all up nice, and technically, it would be a sports car.

Yeah.. look at the Lupo.. (its about the same thing as a metro..)They race them..

And in Germany they also race Transport trucks (Boesinger is doing pretty good, eh :D) . It doesnt mean anything.

Originally posted by paul
Now that mag is a joke to me. I HATE ricers. Only Japanese sports car that SHOULD be is the Supra, 300ZX, and RX7.

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thats it..............

if you have RX-7s you have to put the Honda NSX, Skylines, Silvias and other power cars from japan.......

the ITR is very nice, if you look at races that car can keep up w. bimeers and audies and still beat em...

:confused:
Do not discredit the 300z!

A Z with 400hp :devil: can keep up with a 500hp Supra and maybe beat it.
The Z is also a TRUE TWIN TURBO the Supra is not. The turbos on the Z run at the same time while the ones on the Supra run seperately. Therefore the Supra has much more lag then the Z.
Don't get me wrong the Supra is just as good as the Z, but I guess it's just a matter of taste.

Originally posted by turbonetrix
:confused:
Do not discredit the 300z!

A Z with 400hp :devil: can keep up with a 500hp Supra and maybe beat it.
The Z is also a TRUE TWIN TURBO the Supra is not. The turbos on the Z run at the same time while the ones on the Supra run seperately. Therefore the Supra has much more lag then the Z.
Don't get me wrong the Supra is just as good as the Z, but I guess it's just a matter of taste.

turbo lag on the supra???:rolleyes:
up until now i though that toyota make the turboes in the supra run different(actually one is not working at low rpm) to reduce turbo lag, and have much more pick up/boost at low rpm...

and making one turbo spin while the other is dead takes more brain to engineer than to make both spin at the same time, you dont need any thing just a manifold and turbos. but on the supra you see all the hardware and valves now thats a beauty

All of that is true but the Supra still uses one turbo at a time and not two. You get more efficient use out of two turbos running at the same time than one, atleast that's what i think. As far as the turbo lag issue I should have cleared that up,it applies more so when you convert it to a single turbo, down from twin.

the use of 2 turbos running at different times actually prevents lag... they have the smaller turbo spool up quicker and accelerate, then the big dawg can come in once it spools up

Gang$tarr is correct.

Originally posted by gang$tarr
the use of 2 turbos running at different times actually prevents lag... they have the smaller turbo spool up quicker and accelerate, then the big dawg can come in once it spools up

thats what i was saying............

and i pretty sure about this cause my friend owns a 1996 TT supra:D


i dont know anyother reason why the engineers spend so much time designing a system to work like that:sun:

Originally posted by DavidG
i dont know anyother reason why the engineers spend so much time designing a system to work like that:sun:

Why? A simple and clear answer: The Supra is a street car. Toyota knows that people are going to want their car to be at least somewhat driveable, and sequential twin-turbos seriously help reduce lag while only slightly degrading performance, as stated before. However that doesn't mean the 2JZ-GTE or the 13B automatically suck compared to a parallel twin turbo system; think outside of the straight line, unless your car's main job is solely drag racing, where boosted horsepower outweighs lag, which isn't much of an issue while you speed-shift. But most of these cars are going to be turning, and when you slow for a turn, you need to quickly pick up again.

Oh and another thing. Don't think for a minute that the 300ZX has parallel twin-turbos by choice. The fact that the VG30DETT is a V-6 forces the design to be parallel placing each turbo on opposite sides of the engine bay. They can't simply work in sequence with that layout.

i would much rather have the sequential turbos than the parallel

i thought they help accelerate quicker, no?

Yeah they do accelerate quicker, but they have slightly less boost. If I felt like changing up and modding the Supra for absolute maximum boost, It would even be better to trade up both turbos for one massive piece. The single turbo layout shows WAY more lag, but when you're drag racing, this isn't much of a problem.

Originally posted by paul



Integra - hell no



:finger4: :finger4: :finger4:

J/K I respect you opinion, but still...:finger:

On the supra turbo topic: What if you put one big turbo, and inject nitrous in the turbo housing at low rpm to prevent lag, this would be great for canyon racing, trust me, there ARE supras that canyon race. My brother kept up with it on the turns but when he got to the straightaway, the supra was gone, my bro drives an integra gsr droped with tires.

The V6 in th 300 also make more natural low end torque not necesitating a inseries system also what the man said was true a 400 hp Z can beat a higher 500 powered Supra because its a spiked hp peak were the z is a flat hp and torque run.. look at their dyno's they tell it all.. and the Supa my god its a jellybean wih a ricer wing.. taalk about a Peis extension car forget Vettes.. the Z is classy looks bette and is more aerodynamic.. hence its winning best import sports car from 90-95 including the Nsx of course this is a overall win

Originally posted by Mallet
... a ricer wing...

:rolleyes:

Are you talkingtome..ll

i think i have carsthat might be able to hng with your ITR lol
it is MY opinion the Supra has a major Ricer wing that deter the mature look of the car.. it more boy racer.. which is fine for some

Mallet

Originally posted by Mallet
Are you talkingtome..ll

i think i have carsthat might be able to hng with your ITR lol
it is MY opinion the Supra has a major Ricer wing that deter the mature look of the car.. it more boy racer.. which is fine for some

Mallet

I did'nt claim my integra was faster than whatever you have, Idon't know about that.

First of all, the wing comes stock, so how is it realy ricer, second... the true definition of a ricer is someone who puts things on their cars to make t look faster than in is. I don't think toyota put that wing to make it look faster than the 13.5 it runs. Third...boy racer... probably not, not too many 'boys' can handle a 2JZgte.

I'm sorry if I sound so defensive/offensive and I respect your opinion, but I think you have the definition of a ricer all turned around.



Wait, how do you know your car can hang with mine? How do you know I don't have an 11 second integra? You don't

yeah, I think they're a little cheezy, I agree, they weren't as much b-4
SCC :rocket:

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Nowi'm not ightng but just to be clear.. on a canyon road i'd use my comptech s200.. and the Fire hawk with just the sroker does 11.70's without the 150 shot..

the grandsport is very low 11's the Mustang is a 10 second.. the Jaguar i have it tweeked to nice 13.6-7 it comingin along nicely

the Boss hoss doe 0-60 in 3 flat

the Porsche ( my fave) is right at 13 flat 12.9 but it feels right.

so no offense integra but i usually have a car for all occasions..lol
hell i've spent y families inheritence to indulge mydsfe in y engineeering fancies

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my 16 nephew just got a Blue Is300 .. very sweet for a first car ,, fairly quic.. he wanted o race the vetein it.. i 1/4 throttled it so he could keep up..

still though they handle nicely

also my other nepwew has aSpec v he's also 16 man i don't know that think has torque you can feel and its so very reponsive suspensionally.. the steering is lightnig quick.. he has I/H?E man it woke that car up



Im a big Nissan Fan.. and i think there coming back as soon as Nismo gets over here they have a chip for his spec raises redline and speed limiter also fuel/ timing calibretion ..it worth 35-40 whp.. thats amazing

Ok integra i give you probably have a 550 hp turbo -nitrous one seater weighing 2000 lbs.. i have a frind with one it inside is striped but looks good outside. he can't launch of the line so he has t race dfroma 20 mile role he beat my firehawk on the Juice but acouple of cars.. it was amazing.. though had he launched from a dead stop.. well he can't control that kind of poer.. and his shafts would snap anyway..

Oh one last thing i don't know were you live but i see alot of youngin in Supra turbo's the one handed gangster loook over their sholder .its a pleasure running them and squashing them.. though i know of just a rare few in my area that my arsenal can't fully handle .. and dwn here they race from 100 upto whatever you can do that there money race..

Later

didn't mean to offend anyone..
oh the comptech does do 11's also.. its totally running correctly and is a full comptech upgrade NSX beware

Wow srry about not sing spell check.. ouch.. well i use an IR keyboard and form a distance the cpu doesn't pickup every keystroke..

i can assure everyone that i have Bachelors in Engineering.. who doyou think made the design parameters on my cars??
Later guys

This %&&#@# keyboard.. i swear on my life i can spell quite well and have been told i'm eloquent in actual conversation...lol

jeeze i better proof this!

I wouldn't say their gone soft,look at what they done to project silvia.They took some cans of flat black painted the car.I would call that far from going soft,I've never seen a mag do such a bold move,that shows that the car is strictly business.

Hmmm I like a lot of Japanese cars. Including Civics and Integras. But, unfortunately, most of them are modded into ricers. Please, no altezzas, fake sticky Type R's and cheapo cheapo wings. Save your money and maybe you can get a VW. Supras and RX-7s are rarely rice, because they're still out of a lot of people's budget. I like the 1993+ Supra, and the 1978-1985 RX-7. They were a real bang for the buck at the time.

NSX=wow
Skyline=right hand drive :uhoh: So, thats a NO
MR-2=cool, cause of midengine
300ZX=nice
Supra=high maintnence screamer
RX-7=pretty good, depending on the year
Civic=sorry, too riceroni
Integra=most are ricers, but there are a few sleepers

Either way, I'd SOO much rather have a Euro car. VW, Audi, BMW, Benz, Saab, Volvo!!! :biggrin: :evillol: :iceslolan :p :lol2: :cwm27: :lol: :rofl:

i agree that they might be going a little soft, but they're really the only option out there for a car enthusiast. i'm talking strictly import performance mags, of course. if you look at the other options, no other magazine can be accused of going soft because they all already are! scc is still, as far as i know, the only magazine to actually cover scca prorally, ustcc, etc. every other magazine covers drag racing, maybe , and that's it. the other magazines also feature civics monthly, all with garish vinyl, fnf style cars, etc.
scc is really the only serious import performance magazine, instead of a crap import looks magazine. besides, they're not really gouing very soft at all. I've been on the lookout, and in the past year, there's probably only one feature car that i would even dub "ricey" , and that would be that ugly black with white striped cavalier. i mean, what other import magazine would have the guts to run a cover story about purely sleeper cars, with no exterior mods at all? also, the uscc is pretty hardcore, and still is, judging by this year's entrants.