Identifications Needed.

Hi

I have the pics of the following cars but I am unsure of their chassis numbers.

I am busy sorting all my pics into folders marked with the chassis number, so help ID’ing the cars will be appreciated.

Gulf cars:
Racing numbers, 2, 6, 24, 25, 194 (Short)
Racing numbers, 2, 3, 39, 40, 41 ((Longtail) 39 was burnt out at the rear)

Flemke’s car, The west Car, Lark long tail, Clinic model, Red GTR with the yellow GTR decal), Tuiles (Yellow scales livery), Hollywood(racing number 01), Fina Longtail, Italjet (racing number 8)

Also, the 3 road version Longtail F1GTs. Apparently the chassis numbers are: 56XPGT, 54F1GT, and 58F1GT what are the colors of these 3 cars?

Regards

Kevin

Answers in blue.

Hi
I have the pics of the following cars but I am unsure of their chassis numbers.

I am busy sorting all my pics into folders marked with the chassis number, so help ID’ing the cars will be appreciated.

Gulf cars:
Racing numbers, 2, 6, 24, 25, 194 (Short)

2 was #12R - 6 was #15R - 24 was #02R - 25 was #08R - 194 was #12R at the Goodwood FOS

Racing numbers, 2, 3, 39, 40, 41 ((Longtail) 39 was burnt out at the rear)

2 was either #22R or 24R depending on the race - 3 was #20R - 39 was #25R - 40 was #22R - 41 was #20R

Flemke’s car - Chassis #040

The west Car - Which West car? the White/Red was #03R, or the Black/Silver was #08R

Lark long tail - Depends on the event - #27R wore that livery at the 1997 LeMans race and #19R wore it at the 1000KMs of Suzuka the same year. At both events the cars wore the same race number 44 which can make it hard to tell. Easiest way to determine is that in Japan the LARK logo was unaltered whereas at LeMans they had to get creative with it due to regulations governing tobacco advertising at sporting events.

Clinic model - Doesn't have a chassis number as it's not a real F1

Red GTR with the yellow GTR decal - GTR #10R

Tuiles (Yellow scales livery) - GTR #05R

Hollywood(racing number 01) - GTR #18R

Fina Longtail - Various - you'd need to be more specific

Italjet (racing number 8) - GTR #05R

Also, the 3 road version Longtail F1GTs. Apparently the chassis numbers are: 56XPGT, 54F1GT, and 58F1GT what are the colors of these 3 cars?

Green, Black, Burgundy in that order. It is believed that no photos exist of the black one except one black & white shot of the three GTs being assembled at the factory that's found in "Driving Ambition". There are a lot of photos that appear black, but the green color on 56XPGT is very dark.

Regards

Kevin

Hope that helps. :cool:

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ER

Hi Peloton

Are you an encyclopedia or something.........LOL:grinyes: :grinno: :iceslolan

Many Thanks mate.....

Ok, so if no supposed pics exist of 54F1GT, where is the car now ?

With regards to the fina Longtain, I have pics of it with the Bubble Headlamp Covers. Could you tell me which chassis ever had the Fina livery on. from there i will try and sort the pics.

Hope that helps. :cool:

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I think you got all the answers :thumbsup:and I am sure someone esle will get the answers to Mcl@rens 2nd fina question :wink:

Are you an encyclopedia or something.........LOL

Someone's got to know all of this stuff - I figure it might as well be me. If it makes you feel any better I only knew about half those answers off the top of my head. :naughty:

Ok, so if no supposed pics exist of 54F1GT, where is the car now ?

It originally went to Brunei. It is unclear if it has managed to escape yet, but I think not.

With regards to the fina Longtain, I have pics of it with the Bubble Headlamp Covers. Could you tell me which chassis ever had the Fina livery on. from there i will try and sort the pics.

At the 1997 LeMans race, the two FINA longtails were #24R & #26R wearing race numbers 42 and 43 respectively.

Present day, GTR #26R wears race number 42 which is obviously not accurate. It's strange that BMW's Mobile Tradition Group who currently owns that GTR would choose to number it that way too. Wearing number 43, GTR #26R actually finished the 24 hour race in 3rd place overall, whereas GTR #24R wearing race number 42 retired from the race.

Present day - GTR #21R wears race number 8, but that wasn't always the case. Sometimes while racing in the 1997 FIA GT series #21R wore number 8 and other times it was #26R.

Thankfully, GTR #23R was the only FINA longtail to wear race number 9. If it's new owner hasn't made any changes, it should still look like that today.

If you have questions about specific photos you can share them and I can probably help you determine which car you are looking at. I don't actually organize my GTR pics by chassis number because of some of the confusion that occured with the swapping of cars in 1997. I keep them all segregated by livery since I find that to be so much easier. It may be a decision I'll end up regretting someday, but it works for me now.

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i see your point on the gtrs. it can be quite confusing. I have decided that any unknown pics will go into a main folder called GTRs and in there each chassis will have a folder. those that i can confirm go in their folder, those i can't: oh well, main folder there you go.

Thanks Peloton again for the help. My Mclaren folder will look a hell of a lot better.

Ps, how many pics in total do you have, I have about 2500 (no duplicates)

If you are just talking GTRs, today the number sits at 6,713 files in 80 folders taking up almost 2GB of hard disk space. I haven't swept for duplicates recently, and in some cases where I have shared files at multiple resolutions I will still have those 3-4 versions of it.

As for the total collection, today it contains 30,987 files in 754 folders registering right around 11.5GB. Not all of those are pictures though - and I save a lot of things that most people probably wouldn't even consider important. For instance, 2,381 of those files in 333 folders make up webpages that I have saved for archive purposes, 4,865 of those files in 79 folders are all of F1 models/diecast/etc. I also have a Printed Materials folder that houses 2,740 files in 36 folders - a portion of those are article scans. There's a lot of random stuff like that. You never know what may prove to be good resource material at a later date. I'm sort of a digital pack rat when it comes to the F1.

If I tried to get an accurate count on just unique pictures of F1s I could do it, but it would take a significant amount of time. A good guesstimate is a little less than half the total figure.

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If you are just talking GTRs, today the number sits at 6,713 files in 80 folders taking up almost 2GB of harddisk space. I haven't swept for duplicates recently, and in some cases where I have shared files at multiple resolutions I will still have those 3-4 versions of it.

As for the total collection, today it contains 30,987 files in 754 folders registering right around 11.5GB. Not all of those are pictures though - and I save a lot of things that most people probably wouldn't even consider important. For instance, 2,381 of those files in 333 folders make up webpages that I have saved for archive purposes, 4,865 of those files in 79 folders are all of F1 models/diecast/etc. I also have a Printed Materials folder that houses 2,740 files in 36 folders - a portion of those are article scans. There's a lot of random stuff like that. You never know what may prove to be good resource material at a later date. I'm sort of a digital pack rat when it comes to the F1.

If I tried to get an accurate count on just unique pictures of F1s I could do it, but it would take a significant amount of time. A godd guesstimate is a little less than half the total figure.

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ER

I would hope you have it all backed up in some way. Hate to see that much info go away if your computer crashed.

I would hope you have it all backed up in some way. Hate to see that much info go away if your computer crashed.

Never fear - all my data is currently on 3 hard drives split between two computers. I also did a dump of the entire collection to 4 DVD-Rs the first week of this month. That was something I had not done for far too long.

I try sync up the three drives at least every two weeks using an excellent directory comparison program called Allway-Sync. It propogates deletions and also does file versioning, which checks for files that may have been updated but still have the same name. Other folder sync'ing programs I tried would miss some of those changes. I really couldn't keep things straight without it. When I get my new desktop I'm planning to go with a RAID mirroring setup, possibly with an external hard drive for portability.

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All of a sudden i feel small.....

I am totally gob smacked.....

My measly 2500 pics includes Pics, Magazine scans and models. I don't keep web pages as i find i never use them. you have more printed material than i have pictures.

Do you tag each pic for easy search options ? ie date taken, livery, color, plate etc....

When did you really start having an interest in the car and when did you really start collecting all your pics and stuff ?

Very Very Jealous

No need to feel small. If you want something to really be jealous about - some people can afford to own the real thing. ;)

I've been at this for about 6 years I guess as some of the oldest F1 pics on my computer date back to the beginning of 2001. I didn't really start focusing on the F1s till about mid-2002 and found this forum shortly before my registration date.

I don't tag my files - in fact I don't even change filenames when I don't have to as it helps prevent duplicates - but I do keep notes in the folders if there's important info I want to recall later. Most photos taken these days have built-in EXIF image details that include the date taken. Normally I can look at a thumbnail of a photo and tell what car it is, and where and when it was taken with little effort, so that helps a lot.

One of my friends calls me the "Raymond Babbitt" of McLarens. :grinno:

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So short a time yet so much information?
My interest began in about 1993 when the 1st information started to come out about it. I was imidatley impressed by Gordon Murrays clarity of thought and purpose. As a professional design engineer I was impressed by his ability to get people with the means to build such a car to commit to his personal vision with no interference or conditions. In some respects he is a very lucky man to get such an opportunity but my god did it pay off. At least for the owners and enthusiasts. He designed a car that has become a legend and I doubt it ever will loose that appeal.

Hi, I missed two id's of the gulf cars....

Gulf wearing #33 and
Gulf Wearing #1 (Longtail)

I have all my Fina #39 in folder 018R, Most pics are from some car show.

Also from what date did Fina 026R where the #42

Yeah, Carbuilder. It has taken some doing to get so many pics and Scans of magazines etc.

My interest stared when i was in the UK in 95/96. but because i did not have decent access to the net for such a long time, i have only really been able to start research on the car indepth from last year.

For 8 years i worked for a bank that did not allow access to the net for security reasons, and internet at home is too expensive here. we pay Sh1t loads to get broad band here. Thats also why companies limit us on downloads here.

For me to get broadband here will sert me back $100 per 3Gb capped per month. and that doesn't include line rental. to add to the woes, our systems are forever going off line so sometimes we get net, sometimes we don't. We have one company here who have a monopoly on the telecomms industry and they are part owned by the government. so what they say goes.

Hey carbuilder, your nic has expired, its 2007 now.....Ha ha ha LOL:lol: :lol: :grinyes:


Just joking....

So short a time yet so much information?

Well to clarify - I've had an interest in the F1 since ~1991 when magazines first started talking about the possibility of a McLaren road car. I obviously followed the car's introduction and the heaps of praise it received through the years. I watched the Dec '94 Best Motoring tape on the F1 when it was brand new, as I had a good friend who would rent the new one each month from a shop in Little Tokyo in downtown Los Angeles. From 1995 through 1998 or so a group of my friends would always make it a point to watch the BPR and FIA races religiously - shame I wasn't recording them or taking good notes - might make my current job a bit easier. I also attended the Laguna Seca FIA GT Race in 1997 and got to see the longtail GTRs challenging the Mercedes CLK GTRs and Porsche 911 GT1s.

So, it is not as if I didn't know what an F1 was until 2001, which may have been how my statement was received. What I really mean by that is I didn't start focusing on the cars and trying to learn every last detail until mid-2002 or thereabouts. Even then, I was mostly concerned with the cars here in the USA and didn't spend a lot of time chasing down leads outside the country. The expansion of the internet has made learning things that never before would have been possible into a wonderful reality for all of us.

Mcl@ren -
Gulf wearing number 33 was #12R at the 1996 LeMans race.

Gulf wearing number 1 was #02R during the 1995 BPR GT season.

I have all my Fina #33 in folder 018R, Most pics are from some car show.

That doesn't compute - was there a typo in there? #18R's only race experience was in the Hollywood livery at the two Brazil non-championship races in 1996, where as mentioned previously it wore 01. Can't recall a time when a FINA car wore 33 either.

First photos I have of #26R wearing 42 date back to June 2002 when our old friend tvrfreak visited the McLaren factory.

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ER

I edited the thread. it is the Fina #39 (short tail)

The Gulf longtail wearing #1, you have listed as 02R is 02R not a short tail ?

I think it should be 02?R but what is the ?

Oops - yeah sorry - I totally glazed over 'longtail' in reference to the 1 car. :redface:

This was another race number that was shared between two cars - in this case #25R and #28R. Since #25R was burned very badly at LeMans in 1997 they had to replace the car for all the races that followed with #28R. GTR #25R wouldn't race again until 2000 in the Japan GT series after being put back together using spares, so the story goes.

FINA 39 could be either GTR #17R which wore that number at LeMans in 1996 (and still does to this day), or it could be GTR #18R which wears 39 now as well. The easy way to tell present day photos apart is that #17R has the red and white stripes of the American flag on its rear fenders, whereas #18R has the flags of Great Britain and France on it's flanks.

GTR #18R should really be wearing race number 38 to match the livery it wears. That livery with sponsorship from BMW France and BMW Great Britain was originally worn by #16R at LeMans. Not sure who's in the research department at BMW's Mobile Tradition Museum, but they missed the mark a bit on the two GTRs they have managed to hold onto.

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Yeah, i saw that difference on the flags. thought it was the same car though.

ill have to go home and sort that folder out.

I have one pic of the Fina with no decals. its sitting on a gravel road, car is painted blue at the bottom and white on top but has no further livery. any ideas ? Pic is from the rear of the car.

That's #16R when Ray Bellm owned it and it was converted for road use. There are a few pics floating around of it in this form.

There's also this short tail FINA livery I call the Presentation Livery. It was worn by GTR #08R and was shown at various events/auto shows, but never raced.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_mclarenoriginalpichintergr_800.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/mclarenoriginalpichintergr_800.jpg)

It also wore bubble lights at one point with this livery.

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Now theres a pic i don't have.

Thanks Peloton

Cool - hang onto this one too then - same car.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_finapress32qme.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/finapress32qme.jpg)

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Thanks Peleton. Much appreciated.