Fujiwara 86

I am thinking of building a replican of the Initial D 86. I think I will probably use FA power, or just a modified 20V.

I have a few questions though, what sort of wheels do they use in Initial D? Also, what sort of revs/power can you get out of a production 20V?

no offense or nothing but thats way played out ...

its been done so many times its not even funny ... and dont think in my area, from coast to coast its been done.

I've seen one done in a Super Street magazine issue like a year or so ago. The guy is from Colorado and he takes it "canyon-driving" accoding to the interview done.

i didn't realize that it was played out... too bad. there's a guy in colorado?

panasports....i'd use the 2 peice....good shizz
-ryan-

actually, they are rs watanabes. panasport copied that wheel style.

that would be my bad, thanks for not being an a$$hole about it...im new to the whole thing
-ryan-

sorry. i didn't mean it an ashhole way. i guess it just came out that way on accident.

you were'nt, nor did you, its cool
-ryan-

DReeeeeeeeeeeamerrrrrrr

thinking of using FA power huh? to put it in terms you'll understand I'll use initialD as an example. When the 20v is first fitted takumi thinks that it is slow and harder to drive when under 8000rpm. This slow-down at lower rpms would be much more pronounced and more obvious with a FA engine as they are a much revvier unit than a TRD20v and have extremely lightweight internals. Serious alterations and some de-tuning would be needed to physically make the engine fit and make it driveable.

A modified 20v is more realistic option and it would look more authentic as the fujiwara 86 does not seem to use a full-race engine anyway. ( it doesn't have the TRD throttles )

I don't know why I'm even posting this if you don't know what those rims are!

Thanks for the info... looking at the costs of the FA engine, that sort of puts it out of my budget :(

As for making it streetable, it's not that tricky... go with a milder camshaft, a heavier flywheel, and back off the ignition...

I had no idea this has really been done before! With the 20V engine and everything? My neighbour has an 86, and he only wants $2K for it... Everything is spotless, and it's mechanically sound.

I always wondered what a watanabe looked like, I've heard them mentioned many times :confused:

the price varies from area to area ... but it sounds about right. are you getting a coupe or a hatch!?

make sure its a gt-s.

if its an sr5, its a rip off

Originally posted by Spr1nter86
actually, they are rs watanabes. panasport copied that wheel style.

WRONG

The 8 spoke banana peel design orginate from the original Mini Cooper. The design was "used" by many companies and RS Watanabes got their ideas by "looking" at Panasport.

SR5 are not bad, just that it has a different engine and other misc parts being different.
If you're going to change the engine to a 20V 4AG, getting a cheaper SR5 would do no harm. What's a FA engine? 1st gen RX-7?

Putting an engine into a car that didn't originally come with is not child's play. This is written by Moto-P, webmaster of Club4AG:

Here's another advice. Long overdue...

If you are NOT planning to do the swap yourself, aside from heavy mechanical work like use of lifts and hydraulic equipment, here's something you may want to consider.

First of all, I know you are all eager to have that SR20 or 20V in your AE86... I know the new cars are hunting you down with more power.

BUT, here's the thing, if you can't read electric wire diagrams and you have no idea how an oiling or cooling system is laid out on your car, how are you going to diagnose it? I'd like to point out to you that MOST local mechanics and NO dealership will touch a car that's been modified with another non-native motor. Second, most tuning shops that will diagnose it for you will charge by the HOUR at maximum rate and will not guarantee their work (even if they performed the swap originally)

Now, each swap is a very custom job and it's far from a bolt-in job like those of Honda DC's, EG's and EK's where the B16 and B18 are native motors in respective countries. The 20V is natively a front drive motor in a car that has a generation gap of more than 10 years. Almost all electrical and peripheral devices must be fabricated and fitted by custom craftsman (yourself).

If you had the engine mounted in the car already, and you want to do electrical and water lines yourself, that's fine... But if you have no idea with not any intention to learn, you might want to forego the idea. As another person's custom job may and often will, end up in a car that may work fine but will have no reference to diagnosis.
You would not have a clue what got left out, where he put each wire, and how he tapped things he needed for the engine from the car.

Many people call for help among peers here... But however much they all want to help, if the car was done by someone else, there's no way of making description of what needs to be fixed. They don't even know what it looks like and what's missing or what's done wrong in the first place by a phone conversation or e-mail.
This is not a discouraging post to those who want to do one. Just that you must learn and understand the project as a whole so that you can do most of it yourself, and be ready to diagnose problems you have on your own.

Therefore getting the engine is NOT the first thing you should do.
Buying all the electrical diagrams needed, all service manuals for the motor, learning how to read the diagrams and learning how to use tools in diagnosis. Learning what is required of the new install, and what needs to be modified.

Doing all this ahead of the project, you will save time, MONEY, and you'll get a learning experience that you never thought will know. Club4AG is a place for learning yes, but I do also want people who are knowledgeable assisting those in need... Try not to post questions that are on a service manual. Go buy a manual... It will save hours of headache for you and the answers will be more accurate and ready at hand.

Am I making sense? Good Luck to you all who endeavor on projects on your own... It's the best way to be a true Club4AGer.

Wrench AWAY folks!


Moto-P

Hmm, upon closer inspection the Watanabe RS is just a minilite...

The car is a hatchback, I think it's and '85 but I'm not sure. The thing is immaculate, fairly low KMs, everything looks clean.

I want a GTS for the better suspension, and the LSD(the GTS did have a LSD, right?). As for the engine swap, I do know what I am doing. The only thing that concerns me is redoing the entire harness, because that will take a week at least.

As for my original question, what can I expect for power from a 20V with a good engine build?

Hey, with a deal like this, I'm sold... This project is on the backburner for now though, I still have a Porsche 931 to restore, and Aerostar shop van to rebuild(aiming for 300-350hp right now), and I have to get to work on my RX7 400M project.

Originally posted by Cbass
Hmm, upon closer inspection the Watanabe RS is just a minilite...

The car is a hatchback, I think it's and '85 but I'm not sure. The thing is immaculate, fairly low KMs, everything looks clean.

I want a GTS for the better suspension, and the LSD(the GTS did have a LSD, right?). As for the engine swap, I do know what I am doing. The only thing that concerns me is redoing the entire harness, because that will take a week at least.

As for my original question, what can I expect for power from a 20V with a good engine build?

Canadian GTS never came with LSD, and rarely did the ones in the USA did.

20V are very high revving like all 4AGs, the torque and power comes on very late like Honda engines. I've never actually work on a 20V before so I don't know what it's capable of. But I've seen it run in an AE82 here in Vancouver, and the owner claims it can follow close to an Integra Type R but not beat it.

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originally posted by Turbo86
WRONG

The 8 spoke banana peel design orginate from the original Mini Cooper. The design was "used" by many companies and RS Watanabes got their ideas by "looking" at Panasport.
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sorry, i guess i don't know shit after all. i'll just shut up from now on...

I hope that's not meant to be sarcastic, because he's right, they were originally made for the Mini in the 60s, and are thus called Minilites.

I thought they had a LSD standard... oh well. It shouldn't be too hard to put a differential from another Toyota on, such as a Supra MK2 or MK3. This isn't going to be a top speed car, not by far, so I'll look for a very high gear. This project is more an autocrosser, with some weekend play in the mountains as well ;)

What is the factory differential ratio?

umm american GTS had LSD as a standard actually ... i trust you know your shit ... but i know this first hand. You can rarely find one for sale with LSD since you can part that out for like 200 bucks alone and make a nice little bit that wont really lower your cars price.

ummmm.... i wasn't being sarcastic in that last post. i really was wrong.

but anyways, the lsd on the u.s. gts was optional. some have them and some don't. just like some came with cruise control, sunroof, power windows, etc. and some did not. you can just look under the car and look for the "LSD OIL ONLY" sticker on the rear axle housing or just drive it to find out if it does have an lsd.

not all toyota lsd's will work on the ae86. even if you purchase an aftermarket lsd you have to make sure that the car already had an lsd(factory/aftermarket) to begin with. this is because the axles between the lsd and non lsd rear ends are different; the non lsd axles being a bit longer. i'm not saying that you have to buy an ae86 with an lsd to begin with, but if you buy one without an lsd, you will have to find lsd axles if you plan to install one.

i'm not a dick nor do i try to be sarcastic. some of the things i learn about are from people's word of mouth but most is from my own experience with the car. some of what i learn comes from a friend who bought the car when it first came out in 1985.

i didn't buy the car because of a cartoon. i've owned ae86s even before people thought they were cool. i used to get looked down at for driving that car but i didn't care; i just said: f#ck what other people think...

but anyways. this turned out to be a long post.
sorry...

Originally posted by Spr1nter86

not all toyota lsd's will work on the ae86. even if you purchase an aftermarket lsd you have to make sure that the car already had an lsd(factory/aftermarket) to begin with. this is because the axles between the lsd and non lsd rear ends are different; the non lsd axles being a bit longer.

WRONG!

if that's the case, no one in canada would be able to install a lsd

85 axles are different from 86/87. that's the ONLY difference.

so as long as you buy an lsd that corresponds to the early / late model WITH axles, it's a simple swap

whether or not the car had lsd to begin with is irrelevant

"85 axles are different from 86/87. that's the ONLY difference.

so as long as you buy an lsd that corresponds to the early / late model WITH axles, it's a simple swap

whether or not the car had lsd to begin with is irrelevant"

that's what i said. you need to get axles if you're gonna install an lsd on a non lsd ae86. did you read up to this part?:
"...you will have to find lsd axles if you plan to install one. "

:p why not just grind it

I was thinking a diff from a supra or another RWD Toyota, but then I ran into the problem, the high gearing. This why I need to know the differential ratio for the GTS...

think our final drive is 4.3 : 1

It would probably be hard to find a 4.3:1 axle, and I want the gears to be fairly close, so I'll just get an 86 with factory LSD...

whats the stock hp or an ae 86

and the corolla gts?
and one more thing is the 4ag that takumi (or his dad) puts in his car really 250 hp
(pls dont be mean =))

no one knows? damm ...

chech for a chassis code must say ae86 and the engine must be a 4age; if doing a the rims i think they call them banana rims???????

This thread was almost two years old. Anyways

AE86 NA 130hp
AE86 = USDM Corolla GTS 85-87
It's a cartoon and they can put out that many ponies. The rims are Watanabes and the model is RS8. Panasport and some other brands make that rim pattern (the banana peals)

Oh yeah
USDM
AE86=SR-5
AE88=GTS