4 wheel drive

Takahashi Ryosuke said that 4 wheel drive are bishes to turn so they have to have an aggressive turn in (feint) so they can turn fast but the thing is i read an article about a subaru Impreza 22B that was pacing a porsche 911 The 911 was fighting to keep up the 22B wasn't even trying (this was in corners) considering this why are 4 wheel drives so fast ?

does he mean it has to have an aggressive turn in to drift?

but i also saw a different progam talking about the misconceptions of rear wheel drive and front wheel drive and 4 wheel drive

as in two consecutive turns like swurving around something to avoid it right then left

the thing was the Front wheel drive managed it (JUST) then the rear wheel drive did it with ease the AWD didn't and hit the obstacle and failed the test which showed that something is wrong?

Is it just traction then? if the porsche has RWD and N/A engine surely that means he should be able to corner faster cuz they impreza didn't have an Antilag system (misfiring system) so whats going on then?

someone explain?

and someone test the swurving thing out

The problem with AWD is having to keep the power on the whole time. You have to maintain a full powerslide with AWD, or you bog and lose a ton of speed.

Feinting is often used to load the suspension for a very quick turn in, with optimal traction. This is almost necessary in an AWD vehicle, for a proper drift...

also, unless it was a really old 60s 911, it would eat a Subaru Impreza for lunch.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
Takahashi Ryosuke said

Ok dude, theres your first problem right there. It's a cartoon! it ain't real.

i'm affraid to say captain you're a dick have you watched it its entirely acurate they talked to like the king of drift you're an ass go munch on an ass and piss off stay outta this forum its not for ass's

The Impreza has exceptionally good turn in, it has relatively quick steering and good balance.

The problem of AWD cars is that they tend to understeer more than RWD cars, and have too much traction to do a standard 4 wheel drift. So instead, you must compensate with powersliding to maintain the drift.

And Captyn, don't criticize Initial D in the house of D.

no like i mean they can turn quick but if they try doing another turn like you're swurving they just understeer and hit whatever

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
i'm affraid to say captain you're a dick have you watched it its entirely acurate they talked to like the king of drift you're an ass go munch on an ass and piss off stay outta this forum its not for ass's


Talk to another member like that again and you will be out of here. :mad: :mad: :mad:

This goes to anyone here.

CAptynCrunch has a very valid point.
No matter how true to life they may try to make intial D at the end of the day its still a damn cartoon, and not a reliable source of info on how to drive, or drift.





Now a wee thing about FWD vs RWD vs AWD.
and an explanation of the above.

The early WRX imprezza's had a lot of understeer dailed in by subaru, its done as a saftey thing, as the average uneducated driver is better able to cope with understeer than over steer.
Depending on what cars it was being compared with (of which no mention is made) its quite possible it failed to make the dodge manuver.

Also when your off the throttle, and low enough in the rev range that there is no perceptiable engine braking effect then it dosnt matter what set of wheels are driven. A car will handle as well as its suspenion and weight will allow it to.

Its only when power is applied to the wheels that which set you drive has any effect.
On a FWD car the frount wheels now have to do two jobs. They have to steer the car, and acclerate it by pulling.

On a RWD car the frount wheels are allowed to do only one job, that of steering, while the back wheels are tasked with accleration by pushing. This means each set of wheels is tasked with only one job, and is able to perform it 100%. no compromise. (not totaly accurate, but it will do)

On a 4WD car the back wheels acclerate the car by pushing, and the frounts wheels acclerate the car by pulling. But they also have to steer the car the same as a FWD car. The result is you are able to apply more power to the road than a 2wd car, but it comes at the cost of more understeer, and less directional control from the frount wheels.

This is why F1 cars are still RWD, and rally cars are AWD. A F1 car thanks to its tyres, and sticky race track does not need the extra traction of AWD, while a rally car does, and so if you watch the drivers they steer as much with the throttle as they do with the wheel.
FWD however is lost on a race car, and only provides an advantage in a road car where it weighs less, and suffers less driveline power loss.
Hence the reason a 200hp FWD Type R integra is able to keep up with a 280hp AWD WRX. But there are no F2 (FWD, but same hp as WRC) rally cars capable of keeping with the WRC cars on gravel, or a similar lose surface.

So NSX-R-SSJ20K As long as you are off the throttle when you turn in then 4wd offers no disadvantage, and its only the cars chassis set up that will affect whether you make the turn.
The differnce comes when you apply the power again. The 4WD with its greater traction will be able to apply the power earlier in the corner, and so acclerate faster out of it all other things being equal. Applying the power earlier in the corner may also allow you to enter the corner faster than you normally would, this is the princable the WRC cars use, and is the reason they are able to travel over a lose surface so much faster than a 2WD car.



now Drifting a 4WD.
Its harder than a RWD car, but it can be done, and can be very impressive to watch. Its harder because it requires you to break traction to all 4 wheels, instead of just two, then use the throttle a lot more to maintian controll than in a RWD car.


and on a final note, as long as it wasnt a GT3 then a 22b could quite easily stay ahead of a 911 through a tight set of twisty corners.
However the 22b redlines 5th at 180kph, so on a long open track, or fast road section it would get left behind.

I think the 911 would have some advantages over the impreza, like suspension, and control in steady state cornering... The Impreza could put the power down a little earlier, but the 911 has more power, and could probably take the corner at higher speed...

Would probably be the Porsche 911 Carrera 2 vs. the Carerra 4(awd). Yes, the Carrera 2 is rwd, and lets you "point" the car where you want to go. The Carrera 4 does pretty much the same, except that when the rear tires start to slip, power is sent to the front, and you get pulled around the corner just a bit.
I remember that in a Road and Track article with awd cars(911 Carrera 4, R34 GT-R, and Diablo VT), Mario Andretti said that in a race over several laps, an awd would eventually win against rwd, all other things being equal.

There might be a few examples of the contrary, however. The production car record for the fastest lap on Germany's Nurburgring track is held by Porsche driver Walter Rohrl, in a 911 GT3. I'm sure Porsche might have had him try out a 911 turbo at some point, but I guess he didn't go any faster with it.<shrugs shoulders>

If both cars are tuned exactly the same and weigh the same, the AWD car has a massive advantage of the extra traction. However, a transversely mounted mid engined rear wheel drive car, has a big advantage of much less weight, and a very good polar moment of inertia. This allows the mid engined car to corner at much higher speeds, even though it doesn't have as much grip for acceleration.

Originally posted by Moppie



Talk to another member like that again and you will be out of here. :mad: :mad: :mad:



is this applying in this forum only cuz i seem to get this sort of thing alot in other forums like when tanaraki posts something about me .........

and at the time i posted that i wasn't feeling too happy so whatever ..... this is the only place i post on AF cuz the mods ran everyone away

if anyone in here wants to go to a new initial D forum i will be trying to get www.illusiverides.com to get one altho they is still setting up and its mainly just us whores over there but anyone else is welcome i guess


don't close the thread cuz i posted this.... y'all know that people are not posting on AF as much as they used too and there's a perfectly good reason for that good day

F1 cars now use Grooved tires which dramatically reduced Traction over the normal Slicks so they decided to use crazy amounts of Downforce the technology of the aerodynamics in a formula one car is crazy compare it to the formula 1 cars in 94 its completely different a slight resemblance but nothing else is the same


these where the cars doing the FWD RWD AWD test

some FWD (can't remember) Beemer and a RS4 ......... o well:bloated:


Skyline isn't full time AWD so that road and track AWD test was true crap

I don't think the RS4 is exactly fair competition for a 911 :)

The 911 is set up to be a streetable comfortable car. The RS4 has spring rates and suspension made for a track...

Speaking of RS cars, I notice the new RS6 making about 450 hp from that 4.2 liter engine... From what I know about the Audi engines, they are capable of twice that specific output ;)

cuz they have turbo chargers :D