turbo, how many psi?

also, in regards to me stock civic lx 1.7 sohc, i bought a turbo kit for it, how many psi should i tune the turbo to so that i wont blow my cylinders wide open? ive heard, no mroe than 5, no more than 7, and ive heard i can go as much as 9 and be safe, anybody know of or heard themselves whats safe and what isnt? thanks a lot

Whats your set up ? Alot has to be factored in when boosting that block. What injectors are you using? What ECU? Which turbo kit did you buy, Dezod? What other modification have you done to the engine? What fuel managment will you be running? Auto or manual? http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/fragend/confused-smiley-001.gif

With proper fuel mamanment and RSX injectors 8-10 can safely be run. Stock inernals not a proper fuel set up 4-5. How much are you looking to put down?
Break it down what you have and what you will be looking.

440cc injectors, and ngk plugs, oh and of coarse all the neat little goodies that could possibly come with a kit.

the motor is a (very) stock 1.7 liter d series, sohc, in a 02 civic lx

and the seller informed me he would include an already programmed ecu which was correctly tuned to handle up to 15 psi, and told me id be safe with about 8 or 9...its an off brand turbo kit, the turbo itself is a t3 vc32...with intercooler, external wg, bov, like i said, all the goodies...

fo rmy info, what would make the motor actually mess up, what is it that actually goes wrong when u improperly tune the turbo? and will i be safe with the info i have provided you with? thanks alot man, any info helps

also, if i WERE to install it wrong, or over boost it, would there be any tell tell signs of a possible future fuck up? any dead giveaways that somethings not quite right and im about to have a bad day?
all i want is to safely install the thing, at a safe boost, good output, with no chance of ruining my car...as you can see, im a little worried, and want to take every precaution i can, thanks alot

oh man...i have a lot to type about this one.

First off i want to know what this turbo kit consists of....i want to have pics of the turbo as well. I hope you didn't buy SSAutoShit...Also, you need to learn more about turbo cars or you're going to have problems....lets talk more about this and we'll figure it all out. I'm pretty sure i can straighten you out...i've built a few turbo setups in my day

wow, your a little over enthusiastic huh? haha ill be glad to respond, and you can have some fun lol, alright well the kit is a really good kit, it was purchased by the owner of a performance shop, for his dseries, but he swapped motors and got a different setup, and figured hed rather have money than a useless turbo kit. he said he put a good tune on the ecu that i will be receiving and it would support 15psi, but recommended that i only boost it to about 8 or 9, does this sound right?(i work in a shop, and havent had much experience with actually installing turbo kits,and i dont want to fuck anythnig up) but yeah the kit comes with downpipe, manifold, greddy bov, external wastegate, you know all the goodies, injectors, plugs, so, any help would be nice, thanks alot

The reason i love posts like this is because i have a lot of work to do rather than just answering a simple question. I dont mean this in a bad way, but you dont appear to have a lot of knowledge about turbo setups, as stated above. That isn't a bad thing....rather than being brainwashed by other internet retards, i can give you correct information so that you can build a reliable and fun turbo car. Most people who are new to the scene find sites where they are filled with misinformation and then continue spreading the disease.

One thing that is a dead giveaway to inexperience is the way you describe your setup. You dont give any helpful details at all. Also another huge red flag is the fact that you talk about everything in PSI. Most setups are capable of supporting 25+psi but that doesn't mean anything if the engine can't handle it. Also i really doubt you got a GM3bar map sensor so even if your setup is tuned for 15psi you can't utilize it. One other thing regarding that...if the setup is tuned for 15psi, it would have been tuned on a GM3bar map and if you use the stock map, you wont be able to use that tune anyway.....you have a lot to learn, but its fun and you'll get the hang of all of this soon.

You need to give me as many details as possible and pictures....pictures will help me a lot. I hope what you bought wasn't a shitty Ebay ripoff setup

wow, your a little over enthusiastic huh? haha ill be glad to respond, and you can have some fun lol, alright well the kit is a really good kit, it was purchased by the owner of a performance shop, for his dseries, but he swapped motors and got a different setup, and figured hed rather have money than a useless turbo kit. he said he put a good tune on the ecu that i will be receiving and it would support 15psi, but recommended that i only boost it to about 8 or 9, does this sound right?(i work in a shop, and havent had much experience with actually installing turbo kits,and i dont want to fuck anythnig up) but yeah the kit comes with downpipe, manifold, greddy bov, external wastegate, you know all the goodies, injectors, plugs, so, any help would be nice, thanks alot

Any person that says they put a "good tune" in a ECU, and that you should be fine running with that, does not know what they are doing.

Just because he "tuned" this ecu to his setup, does not mean it will be good for you. I would stay away from 9 psi, or you will be asking us how to rebuild your motor.

To add to what you said Kris, i'm not sure if you're familiar with Hondas at all, but they run MAP sensors. Stock maps read to 1bar (but are functional to 11psi above atm). Once someone tunes above 11psi, they must run a different map sensor, the GM3bar is the most common of them. Since this map reads much higher, the units sent to the ECU are much different. If someone was to tune on a 3bar, the tune is completely useless to someone running a stock 1bar map. It would be so incredibly lean that it would detonate if it hit boost.

In case the OP doesn't know what detonate means...

detonate = BOOOOM!! (engine is toast)

ahh thats all good to know, and yes im new to turbosetups, i have an ASE cert in engine and manual trans, so i can certainly turn the wrenches, im just not getting a turbo kit for my civic...ill tell you everything i know...
heres what comes with it, as listed

For sale is a complete and ready to bolt up civic turbo kit. This is for any d series. This kti contains about 2,500$ in parts and we are letting it go for half price. This kit has everything you could need and more. There is nothing missing and everything is ready to ship and bolt on. If you use the buy it now option, we will throw in NGK Iridium plugs for extra fire, Autometer Boost guage and air fuel guage and pillar. Heres what it contains:
1.) T3 VC32 turbo: Turbo is fully rebuilt, clean and exhaust is heat painted professionally. Supports 275hp and full boost is 3,500 rpm

2.) Stainless Log Manifold (New) and Stainless Down Pipe (New) This setup allows you to keep AC. Both are professionally heat painted

3.) Greddy RS BOV (New) Aluminum piping (New) Piping is 2" to 2 1/4"

4.) Tial External Wastegate (New) Comes with heat wrap steel elbows

5.) Aluminum Intecooler (New) Extra Cooling and Tabs were built for use on civic

6.) New Silicone couplings, clamps, fitings, oil return line, ss oil send line with Defi heat wrap sleeve., gaskets for turbo

7.) 4 quart Castrol Synthetic Oil, K &N oil filter, Redline Water Wetter, Defi Heat Wrap All New

8.) P28 ECU chipped with Chrome Pro, has a basemap that is good till 15psi and comes with new 440cc injectors

9.) Turbo inlet made out of Aluminum and heat painted, Comes with New K&N filter and oil recharge kit

10.) Freshly tapped Oil pan (Not Pictured) With New Gasket for pan

11.) Function 7 and Russel Billet Oil return flange

12.) New NGK Wide band controller and O2 sensor for tuning

This turbo kit comes with everything above. Nothing was ever used by anyone. items where pre assembled for fitment, but never ran. Look at my perfect feedback, i don't sell crap. Happy bidding

ok so, now you know what i know, and like i said, the guy has been talking to me outside of ebay, its not a random ass compnay its a guy from a shop who was gonna use this kid, and mapped out an ecu, informing me that it was all about the tune, and id be safe, after bolting up the kit, to set it at 8-9 psi...just buy using the new "tuned" ecu, if there is anything more you can think to ask, do so, and ill do my best to fill it in...the only thing i know other than what i have told you, is the guy told me it was a very simple set up, and he would include directions for doing so, and that i wouldnt have a problem at all...let me know what you guys think.

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these are the pictures i have, dont know what good they will do, oh and for the guy who said it might not work on mine the same way he tuned it for his own, myself and this seller both have the exact same car and motor, so im sure it wouldnt be too much of a difference, unless ur talking miniscule, but as far as compression ratio, we are same

ask the guy how he expects you to use a map tuned on something other than a stock Honda map sensor on your car w/ a stock map sensor. You need to be sure what he used for the map, whether that be using a missing link, a GM3bar, or an assortment of other map sensors so that you can use the same; therefore, you can use his tune. Dont think for a second though, that you're going to be able to just hook it up and beat the hell out of it. You're going to want to bring it to a tuner and get the tune tweaked for your car. Not all cars are the same so just to be sure, get tuned...it shouldn't take more than 1hr.

As for the kit above, that is a nice setup for a good price...

Surprisingly it is not cheap Taiwanese shit.

Surprisingly it is not cheap Taiwanese shit.

i know...i was surprised

No offense but is this turbo kit made especially for your car? Is this a custom job? Is this kit made especially for 01-05???

But all in all your question was pretty straight forward. If you know what your doing then as said above the proper tune is all you need. Set it low and work up. I'd recommend setting the gain at like 15%, and the pressure at like 20% and start from there. So maxing out at 5 should be safe at first. Work from there trial and error will yield the best outcome. Do not go over 8 if you engine is not built up. You will blow in time end of story as addicting as it may be the circumstances are expensive. Also watch yourself with those 440's you will flood the engine if your fuel is not mapped properly for idle.

There is alot more information that is needed here I'd advise just brushing up on this engine and boosting it b4 you dive in.

thanks alot guys, very helpful. only i wanna bolt up the kit myself to save a little $ and maybe take it to a tuner for fine tuning, will that work? will i be able to bolt it up, and set it low enough that even i cant mess anything up? long enough to get it to a tuner

yes you can just bolt it up and run on the ECU and tune provided for a short while....as long as you dont boost you won't have a problem

thaks, thats what i needed to know, very helpful

yep...any other intelligent questions, just let me know