3000GT vs 300ZX

That's why he's here folks!

Yep, the large mouthed freshwater fish keeps us honest. Early turbo cars dead run low compression to avoid blown bottom ends, blown head gaskets, and detonation.

It did raise a generation of great drivers. It took a lot to deal with lag, and to keep it in check with complex left foot braking techniques.

is the 350z the apsolute perminent replacement of the 300zx. I think that car is a great performer, but im much more into the zx's looks. Do you think it's a done deal at this point. Cause i heard Demon say it the sales on the RX8 are good theyd bring back the RX7. Will the same apply to the 300zx?

IMO, A 3000GT VR-4 of course :p

Yes, the 300ZX is gone for good. You must recall that the Z car is an ever evolving beast. It started as the 240Z, which became the 260Z, then the 280Z, followed by the 280ZX, and then the only two generation Z car; the 300ZX. Even as beloved as the firt generation was, Nissan wanted to improve upon it. And they did. Each generation brings new blood to the line. Bringing everything from 5speed transmissions (280Z) to Rear Wheel Steering (Z32 model 300ZX).

We won't see another 300ZX. That nameplate is now consigned to the Nissan history books. But there will be hot 350Z's. Take heart, the 350Z is just the beginning of another chapter for Japan's most internationally revered line of cars.

As for the RX-7, it's a model unto itself. The name is derived from the fact that it was the seventh different rotary engined car Mazda ever produced. While the RX-8 isn't necessarily the eighth, it's a symbolic gesture to say that Mazda is putting its faith back into the engine that made it great. A new RX-7 will come along as a revival of a model line, not a previous generation.

IMO, they should have used the RB inline 6 to replace the L series :(

Part of the Z thing was having an inline 6 cylinder engine. Of course, now the Z thing is just a little different :D Not like that's a bad thing.

i thought the Skyline was the most revered of nissan cars.

I mean seriously the skylines are alot better than any Z will ever be

well the GT-R will always be monsterious of a car considering that its nissan's flag ship sport car. however the Z is more of a main stream bargan performer. plus to answer pontiactracs question. the 300ZX will no longer exist. that car is a Z32. the 300ZX before that is a Z31 now the newest Z which is the 350Z is the Z33. as you can see, like what octagon said, its a ever evolving car. the reason why they call it the numbers in the front was to determine displacement. the first Z ever was a 2.4 liter. thats why its called a 240Z, the one just before the 350Z was a 3.0 so its a 300ZX, and now we have a 3.5 liter which is a 350Z

NSX-R-SSJ20K, I won't disagree with you that the Skyline is a monster of a car with uncanny performance. I still chuckle each time I hear an R32 referred to as "Godzilla" by the press.

But the Z is a classic.

That's the thing. Skylines were a dead issue to most of the world until 1988, and are just now getting stateside recognition and Le Mans campaigns. Plus, while recognizable to anyone who knows what to look for, a Skyline is practically another typical Japanese coupe to the passerby. It's much like, while a Chevelle SS454 is holy ground to muscle car fans, the rest of the populace sees a dressed up Malibu coupe.

Now, the Z has international motorsports success, sales numbers, and maintains a place in history as the car that proved the mettle of the Japanese auto industry. An early Z-car's shape is instantly recognizable, and their value appreciates as the years go on. The only Skylines to do so are the Japan exclusive Hakosuka and limited production second generation GT-R's. It's a matter of prestige and recognition. The Z has this, it has heritage, and the 240Z had soul. You can park a 240Z next to a Porsche 911S or Austin Healey 3000MkII and not lose face or respect.

I don't see that happening with an R34.

The Z is timless in, style, performance, and over all with a following of great people...Like myself! CLick! I think there is going to be an all Z meet in Orlando in April. I am most likley gonna go! So, I will get some pics! I am going to try to get a wave file of my exhaust up this weekend so you can here it's monterous roar! Oh, yeah That cruise I was talking about with like 50 soroity girls departs Monday...CLick! I will talk at you guys next sat. and get you some pics. up here! If they have internet access on the boat, I will hit ya'll up. Drunk of course! Ok late!

-Tony

Originally posted by DemonZX
The Z is timless in, style, performance, and over all with a following of great people...Like myself! CLick! I think there is going to be an all Z meet in Orlando in April. I am most likley gonna go! So, I will get some pics! I am going to try to get a wave file of my exhaust up this weekend so you can here it's monterous roar! Oh, yeah That cruise I was talking about with like 50 soroity girls departs Monday...CLick! I will talk at you guys next sat. and get you some pics. up here! If they have internet access on the boat, I will hit ya'll up. Drunk of course! Ok late!

-Tony

heh heh, call drunk, just make sure you dont drive that way... have a good time demon, get some ass :D

Hey there is going to be enough there...I'll get some ass for all of you!
CLick!:D

Originally posted by DemonZX
Hey there is going to be enough there...I'll get some ass for all of you!
CLick!:D

damn lucky bastard, wish i was partying...
:xelicon: :bonghitte :ylsuper

300ZX (only because I own one and they are easier to modify,plus there are more parts avaliable for them)

i think they both look awsome as sh*t... but as cool as the 3000gt looks, i think the 300ZX takes the cake. You will always see a look that is closely similar to the 3000gt, like eclipses, rx7's, supras and some celicas, but never will you ever find a similar looking car like the 300ZX in the same price range. If you've ever seen the Lambo diablo with fixed headlights, i see a bit of a similarity even though many obvious differences. And the most unique thing that i love about the ZX is those "fairlady" tail lights. They kick ass. I would also much quicker rely on a product made by Nissan than Mitsubishi, as many people have heard some of the problems of the 3kgt's.

Wow I dont evan remember making this forum:D

Originally posted by RACER D12
Wow I dont evan remember making this forum:D

:D if i remember correctly, it was comparing the 300zx to the 3000gt, iv'e read a article that said they are both very matched, but i believe the turbo z takes the cake. And if they were the non turbo, i would definatly get the z over the bishi because i trust nissan's reliability, and 220hp could kill plenty of civics.

That's 222 hp....Get it right! j/k:D

which of the two are harder to insure, i think the 3000gt is. I know a kid at school with a black sl i think, 222hp range, he was on cops because he was going 80mph over the speed limit. crazy shit

I use to love 3000zx, still do, it that was the only car I ever saw myself buying...but when the time came I also found out that they are a bit overpriced and look a bit outdated next to the 3000gt. Even though mine if FWD,big let down, I still think its the best value I could have gotten for the money....plus Nissan must not think FWD is such a bad idea (with a right diff. that is) - look at the new 350z. But thats off the point, as far as quality goes you guys have nothing to complain about, try driving a russian car - I have trouble even calling them cars. With the right care and attention, reliability becomes a matter of doing right things at the right time to your car.

Sorry, I ment RWD, dont want any hatemail from 350 z lovers, but the Infinity G35 Sport Coupe is better to me design wise.

Just for street-racing??

I'll take the 3000GT-VR4.....nothing gets the launch quite like AWD.:alien2: :alien: :grey:

Originally posted by Soviet
Sorry, I ment RWD, dont want any hatemail from 350 z lovers, but the Infinity G35 Sport Coupe is better to me design wise.
good you corrected yourself, i was just gonna start screaming at you

:rocket: j/k

i like the z better than the infiniti, nicer front grill and the lines are a little more cut

Venger10 few AWD are fast of the line as you said, you have to roll the car of the line and then let it go. If not you can damage the clutch. Thats why u never see an AWD dragster, the few dragsters that do have AWD (mostly Slylines) have a torque converter that turns them into RWD when you want it and AWD when you need it, unlike VR4. AWD are more stable around corners and when wet hence faster around a track.

3000GT owners - does anyone know where to find the parking light wire (orange w/ silver dots) thats is suppose to be "near fuse box", and somewhere in the back also. All help welcome Thanks.

Originally posted by Soviet
Venger10 few AWD are fast of the line as you said, you have to roll the car of the line and then let it go. If not you can damage the clutch. Thats why u never see an AWD dragster, the few dragsters that do have AWD (mostly Slylines) have a torque converter that turns them into RWD when you want it and AWD when you need it, unlike VR4. AWD are more stable around corners and when wet hence faster around a track.

3000GT owners - does anyone know where to find the parking light wire (orange w/ silver dots) thats is suppose to be "near fuse box", and somewhere in the back also. All help welcome Thanks.

I bow to your superior intelligence....:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
What kind of 3000GT do you have??:bloated:
Do you have a clue what you are talking about ?? I've built several 11 second AWD's.... with built trannys and HD clutches you don't have the problems you mentioned at all. My 60 foot times were 1.70 or less...AWD gives you the advantage at the line.....:flipa:

Yeah Venger10, you should bow - to my knowledge not inteligence. You can bow down to that later. Learn how to use your own language man. Nice smilies by the way... Drag racing is primitive, racing in trafic or arround track...thats real, and you get to use your steering wheel and brakes...they are there for a reason you know. Anyway , if you want to argue look elsewhere - too busy mate, meanwhile check this Zonda out, and by the way on 1/4 mile it pulls AWD Murceilago's panties down.

Me being a Nissan fan, would choose the 300zx

Originally posted by Soviet
Yeah Venger10, you should bow - to my knowledge not inteligence. You can bow down to that later. Learn how to use your own language man. Nice smilies by the way... Drag racing is primitive, racing in trafic or arround track...thats real, and you get to use your steering wheel and brakes...they are there for a reason you know. Anyway , if you want to argue look elsewhere - too busy mate, meanwhile check this Zonda out, and by the way on 1/4 mile it pulls AWD Murceilago's panties down.

This topic is in "Street-Racing" is it not?? Thats not really much of a variation on the 1/4 mile , just with a few obstacles thrown in:rolleyes:

And I'm not really interested in driving Italian trash...:finger:

MITSU GTO VR4 ALL THE WAY!!!

300ZX ARE THE SLOWEST TWIN TURBOS YOU CAN GET

Originally posted by chadi
MITSU GTO VR4 ALL THE WAY!!!

300ZX ARE THE SLOWEST TWIN TURBOS YOU CAN GET

While I agree that the VR4 is the way to go :D The words "slow" and "300ZX twin turbos" do not belong in the same sentence.

Originally posted by Venger10
And I'm not really interested in driving Italian trash...:finger:

Italian what? Being 100% Italian I must say eat a D!ck! Who makes the nicest clothes, cars, women, and food? Can we say the Italians?! Don't get me friggin' started! Italian trash?! Compared to what? your cut off, obiously you don't know crap, so I will no longer waist time or mental anguish on you.

Moving on!

Originally posted by chadi
MITSU GTO VR4 ALL THE WAY!!!

300ZX ARE THE SLOWEST TWIN TURBOS YOU CAN GET

Have you ever driven a TTZ? I did't think you had cheesecake! They are fast as shit, scary fast. And compared to your ass towing civic, I wouldn't put them into the same sentence comparing them. Go to your room and do your homework!

Yeah the cars and clothes are pretty sweet, but don't a lot of italian chicks have facial hair like men? One of my neighbors is italian and she definately has a mustache thing going on lol.

:D How'd I know somwone was gona say that?!:finger: j/k:p

Originally posted by DeViL
Yeah the cars and clothes are pretty sweet, but don't a lot of italian chicks have facial hair like men? One of my neighbors is italian and she definately has a mustache thing going on lol.



ooo mad stache!

YES I said "Italian Trash" and I'll say it again........ITALIAN TRASH.

And I'm part Italian so kiss my a$$........:finger:

The cars maybe LOOK sweet , but just wait til you actually own one and it spends more time in the repair shop than in your own garage :flipa:

My two cents as a domestic guy?

The 3000GT VR4 is a pile of junk. Who wants a friggen land yacht? Just go buy an old 78 Lincoln Towncar with the 460 and deck and port the heads, get a $150 intake for it. It'll be just as fast, weigh about the same, and you'll be able to seat about 10, lol. The trap speed on the VR4 is barely any better than a new Mustang GT, and it's only advantage is off the line, if you choose to take the life of your tranny/clutch into your own hands. Mitsubishi isn't exactly world class with the quality they put into their cars, and the 3000GT is no exception to that rule.

I'm sure an 11sec 3000GT really jumps off the line quick, but stock, unless you want to blitz the tank from redline, it's just gonna bog.

The 300ZX TT is a far superior car IMHO. I'd actually own one, if I was in the market for a Japanese supercar.

Who has the best women? I'd have to wager the Russians. I haven't heard of any "Mail Order Italian Brides." Getting a mail order bride is about the only thing more scary than buying cars off ebay that don't come with photos LOL.

Best cars? Everybody wants a Ferrari, don't they?

Best clothes? USA

Best food? USA

Originally posted by DemonZX


Have you ever driven a TTZ? I did't think you had cheesecake! They are fast as shit, scary fast. And compared to your ass towing civic, I wouldn't put them into the same sentence comparing them. Go to your room and do your homework!

You beat me to it :D

as much as i love nissans i'm going to have to go with the VR-4 just by past driving experience. AWD twin turbo, you can't beat that. and when it comes to looks the 3000gt is far above the 300ZX. the only area i see that the 300ZX has the advantage is it's weight.

Originally posted by Nookie_Monster
the only area i see that the 300ZX has the advantage is it's weight.

If you were to race from a roll, the ZX would also have the advantage due to driving only 2 wheels.

Little late on this one, but I say the ZXTT. Love the looks of the 3kGT but theZXTT is quicker, lighter, and like others have said, from a roll it has the advantage.

Originally posted by Unit 5302
My two cents as a domestic guy?



Best cars? Everybody wants a Ferrari, don't they?

Best clothes? USA

Best food? USA

Best cars? Lamborghini followed by all things japanese and all things TVR

Best Clothes? maybe USA

Best Food? Thai most definetly Thai food

3000gt's handle bad compared to Z's...... I've seen some z's racing and I've ridden in some VR-4's. Also my dad's shop calls em Mitsushiti.... they do have bad quality...... can't compare to a Nissan, I believe they are the best designers and best reliability..... I see more hondas breaking down then Nissans... but there are more Hondas.

3KGT interior is also cheaper then hell, extremely uncomfortable, small headroom, im 6' and my head hits the roof, all i see is some roof and a little bit of window below that LOL.... its terrible drivers car. were the Z has always been made to be the all around Driver's sports car and has always succesfully done that, why even 240Z's are even as popular as new one's. Even 510's..... how many other Japanese sports cars from that far ago have followings like that =)

I got a Video all about handling and it had NSX GTR's Ferrari's and some hot hatches

The VR4 was last on handling stakes

Richard Burns commented on "too much of this" 'turns wheel left and right tire screaching can be heard thru apex'

I heard mitsushiti b4

Originally posted by SR20DETpower
3000gt's handle bad compared to Z's...... I've seen some z's racing and I've ridden in some VR-4's. Also my dad's shop calls em Mitsushiti.... they do have bad quality...... can't compare to a Nissan, I believe they are the best designers and best reliability..... I see more hondas breaking down then Nissans... but there are more Hondas.

3KGT interior is also cheaper then hell, extremely uncomfortable, small headroom, im 6' and my head hits the roof, all i see is some roof and a little bit of window below that LOL.... its terrible drivers car. were the Z has always been made to be the all around Driver's sports car and has always succesfully done that, why even 240Z's are even as popular as new one's. Even 510's..... how many other Japanese sports cars from that far ago have followings like that =)

Let me point out that the interior of the 3KGT is not cheap. Its way superior to the 300. Let me know where your datas shop is so I can be sure to let my buddies know not to take their car there. I know people with the 300Z and it seems like their car has to be in the shop for something every other year. I've had my cars a combined 13 years and they've been in the shop three times total for repairs - including that damn deer.

I'm 6'1" and 240+ and I have plenty of head room and space in the car (including the Spyder with the top up). I don't think you've ever been in, or ever driven a VR4. :rolleyes:

my feeling's on Italy:


oh yeah.. i Like it.:D

Obviously she's not italian, no mustache.

Originally posted by DeViL
Obviously she's not italian, no mustache.

Not on her face , anyway.......;)

Dammit!...

I cant see the car.... woman move!!!






















.....onto my bed for further detailing....

Time to Wax.....:D

Hey, you guys are great to read some of your posts. I own a 97 VR4 and I kill 300zx tt daily. Sorry, but as far as looks, I did like them when they came out but when Mitsi released the 3kgt, I was hooked. And, Danny Sullivan tested three cars, the Mazda RX7, Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, and the Nissan Twin Turbo 300zx, guess who came in LAST PLACE?

Sorry Nissan, your just not good enough....imop


11.07 elev. sea level
497awhp
GT 368sx twin turbos
fmic
AEM ecu stand alone
twin Walbro 341's

NO NOS
NO ALC
NO PROP

1st: Nice car 97 VR4

B: Nice post Steel

and 3: Redneck you can detail the outside all you want, I'll lube the undercarriage! CLick!

If anyone is interested, I have been a member of the www.3si.org for several years now. I came across this forum surfing the web, always want to see more video or write up's on the VR4. Anyhow, Matt Monet, a tuner in New mexico, has some nice videos on his website, www.dynamicracing.com, and if you want, at the 3si.org I have listed my mods in my sig: 97VR4

Check it out if you haven't seen it already, but most of you probably have.

I will defend our cars to the end.

P.S. NO RICE ,,, please.

the 300zx N/A would beat a 3000GT but with the turbos the VR4 would kill a ZX TT. I still think 300ZX's are better though because they have much more potential. 3000gt's have little parts out there and the parts they do have are expensive. 300ZX's are becoming more and more popular and there are much more mods out there for the 300zx

why wont this thread just die

Well, I just registered, so this is all new to me. I own a 1991 3000 GT SL- front wheel drive, 222 hp, the basics, i've had no problem with it, and in my opinion, the speed is decent. I've raced it several times, win some, loose some. i think if you compare the 300 zx to the 3000 gt sl, the 300 zx is the victor. Allthough, between the 300 zx tt and the 3000 gt vr-4, I'd have to lean on the vr-4. I love 3000 zx's and i love 3000 gt's. I've raced a 300 zx.....and i got smoked up haha. I have big plans for my car, but nothing anytime soon. If anyone knows anything about a fwd to a awd conversion, please let me know, thats what usually kills me when i race.

Originally posted by Unit 5302

Best cars? Everybody wants a Ferrari, don't they?

Best clothes? USA

Best food? USA


best close USA ------ if you're a teenie booper....

best food USA ------ if you want to become a sumo wrestler.......


let me guess you are 15 and you never got ouside your home state...

next time choose something that the US is really good at....which is plenty....just not those two....

Originally posted by flylwsi
there's a kit like that for the 3k gt, and trust me, it looks as bad as you think it would...

i vote 300zx, only b/c the 3000 has a tendency to break alot of parts when a lot of power is added...

there's a local stealth r/t here with about 900hp, and that's the truth, and he goes through clutches weekly.

the shop that works on my car has a set of 5-6 3000's that rotate in regularly... there's no real upgrade for the trans, and it breaks with a ton of power, the axles are the same...

and besides that...

the ecu's are fairly unreliable, and it's not uncommon to have to completely replace one...

but a 300zx isn't exactly super user friendly, with the engine bay being as tight as it is...


considering i've had my vr-4 for over 2 and half years now and having all the reports done on it my car hasn't had a single mechanical defect :iceslolan and now that the car is not exactly gone past its peak cuz i've seen and heard of even higher hp'd 3kgt's than mine i have talked with one guy and he said the same thing as me he's been problem free even after the 700+hp mark .... i agree that the ecu on the stock is complete shit but hey nuttin $230 would solve 2 get an aftermarket and gettin a piggy-back computer is a helluva lot of trouble especially in my hp range but once u get it set thats near 30+hp bonus u can't beat that

Originally posted by Neutrino



best close USA ------ if you're a teenie booper....

best food USA ------ if you want to become a sumo wrestler.......


let me guess you are 15 and you never got ouside your home state...

next time choose something that the US is really good at....which is plenty....just not those two....



best clothes: w/e ur hearts desire

best food: chinese all the way......but i love USA when u don't have enuff money american food is cheap and it fills u up so 2 each his own i say

and sry i'm comin in pretty late but i jus saw this 2day and decided 2 join jus 2 post one reply but i ended up doin a couple more if u have ne questions for me bout my car cuz u don't believe it feel free 2 IM me on AIM or email me i'll be happy 2 answer ne u got except he tech. spec's that r 2 deep i had my cousin and his friend do this car up 4 me all installation's were added free of charge by both of them all i hadda do was pay for the things he told me 2 get. i'm not exactly a car guru and turbo/supercharger guru but i can tell u the main things that r on my car they did this as a favor cuz they both owe me a BIGG favor

unbeatable3kgtvr4 - you should stop in at www.3si.org and convince us that you stripped 1300 pounds off your car. Bring proof and time slips because of your going to shovel 8.x at 180+mph we'll have our boots on. There are a couple VR4s in the 1000hp range that are mid 10 second cars. You're going to need a hell of a lot more then 750 to hit eights.

Originally posted by YogsVR4
unbeatable3kgtvr4 - you should stop in at www.3si.org and convince us that you stripped 1300 pounds off your car. Bring proof and time slips because of your going to shovel 8.x at 180+mph we'll have our boots on. There are a couple VR4s in the 1000hp range that are mid 10 second cars. You're going to need a hell of a lot more then 750 to hit eights.

Lol.

I've never gone into this thread...and I can see you guys got almost pronographic with it.

I'm not closing this myself, since I want to see what this guy with a record-breaking 8-second VR4 comes back with. If another chooses to close it, so be it.