blown 4cyl takes blown 8cyl

I was at Myrtle Beach this year and i was just cruizin down kings highway when a 98 S281 Saleen pulls up beside me. So of course i drive "that annoying import" so i bucked at him. He started talkin all sorts of shit saying he was going to shit all over me (his girl was in the car with him). So we end up catching a light. we race i have him 2 cars off the line, I drive like a moron and miss second. by the time i have it in 2nd he has caught up and pulled me 3/4 of a car. but then the immediate walk down and shit on by the end of 3rd gear i had him by 3 cars. Dam that was the greatest feeling in the world:greenchai

foookin tyte


what did he say

did his GF slap him

Hey bro. No offense but there is no way that you could have even come close to an s281. If you only run a 13.6 in the 1/4 than you will have trouble with me. Just to give you an idea. I run a stock 13.9 I now have a little bit of mods and would be around a 13.7 now with only the mods in the sig. If I was blown than I could probably run a 12.0 flat. Those stangs have a smaller motor than me but if they are blown than there is no way you could have beat him. :flipa:

Originally posted by MistaZ
Hey bro. No offense but there is no way that you could have even come close to an s281. If you only run a 13.6 in the 1/4 than you will have trouble with me. Just to give you an idea. I run a stock 13.9 I now have a little bit of mods and would be around a 13.7 now with only the mods in the sig. If I was blown than I could probably run a 12.0 flat. Those stangs have a smaller motor than me but if they are blown than there is no way you could have beat him. :flipa:

Actually, you're wrong...The s281SC averages a 13.4 quarter. They have 365hp and could run a quicker quarter, but for their horrible dyno curves. I love the car, especially the exterior styling, they just need to get some things sorted out and it would be a monster. Either way, definatelty beatable by a car that runs a 13.6 quarter.

hey if you read it was on street tires when the tires stopped spinning my car takes off. Yes now it is slow because i have no more rings but i have raced a mustang that dynoed 386rwhp with 553 ftlbs of torque from 50 to 120 and it only pulled me 2 cars. when i had rings if i had clutch LSD and slicks my car could have easily ran 12's:flipa:

Nice kill. That stang should have given you a better run then that. The guy driving it was a moron and deserved the loss. Well done!

You do no that most of the s281 are not superchrged? Its an option on the saleens that only a very small percentage check off. The non supercharged versions only have some great supension and brakes as well as some very minor engine mods like pullies.

well, was it an S281 or an S281SC? the S281 is like 285 hp it has like intake and a pulley or something

There is no way to tell from the outside. The badging is the same, s281. Got to look under the hood.

i dont know about that s281 bu i have raced the new body style sc w/ nos and he pulled me a car from 50 to 100

This does seem like a stretch, but congrats go out to anyone that runs an SC car and doesn't get fucked.

Too many things don't jive...

hahaha, s281sc is kinda slow, at least the few I had raced in my Z, hell, I think a good driver in a ls1 could take one.

Originally posted by blowngsr
i dont know about that s281 bu i have raced the new body style sc w/ nos and he pulled me a car from 50 to 100



Your saying a newer body GT only pulled a carlength from 50-100? And your best time is a 13.4? A new GT with just a couple bolt ons and slicks run close to that. A supercharger adds around 90-100 hp, depending on set up and Nitrous would probably be at least a 75-100 shot. You would never even come close to it, unless driver error on the part of the mustang.

I bet you raced a Faleen, someone who bought all of the Saleen stuff and put it on their V6. It's been done. Plus, you said you missed a shift. It's very, very improbable that you'd catch up and then beat anything else that was SC'd as well, especially a torqued up 281SC.

you dont have to believe me it doesnt really matter to me i know what happend and so do my witnesses. the only reason i posted this thread was because i saw it sayed beat a mustang? so i wanted to say my racing experience with a mustang you may think i am one of those people who gets online and starts shooting off all this bullshit like i have a civic with30psi and nos that runs 9.2@140. im not personally i hate those people. I just wanted to give inspiration to fellow 4 cyl that you win against the odds. any way if it may float your boat when i raced the saleen w/ nos we both had detonation problems maybe his were worse than mine. Plus by know means i mean to sound cocky by saying this but i know i am a very good driver (in a straight line) hehe i know about feathering double clutching, powershifting and shifting in my power band. maybe the should have destroyed me and i just out drove him maybe not. this brings me to quote one of the most un realistic movies i have ever seen and i quote "It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning" not to say i have any thing against mustangs personally i have more fun driving them because their torque and it is fun to slam 2nd and kick the ass end out. so pretty much if you dont believe me i dont care but i know what happened and no niether were v-6's my moms mini van could pull those sorry excuse for a car. well any ways have fun telling me i am full of shit and to those who read it for what it is and congradualate me "this is for my boys in da drop top":smoker2:

You're right, you can say whatever you want, ain't a damn thing anyone can do about it. You can post about your abilities, your mods, your prowess behind the wheel. Your boys can vouch for you all they want. Still doesn't mean that it feasible...

Maybe it is, just not in my experience...

depending on the altitude his time was at, I do believe he has the trap speed to beat an sc'd s281 from a roll, and maybe with a good launch and some error by the mustang guy

Let's put this in perspective.

FWD cars usually trap at speeds where, if it was a RWD car, it'd be running a second faster. Hence, a 12 second Camaro will trap around the hundreds while an Integra with the same trap will only be in the thirteens. Just like the man said, if he had slicks, he'd probably be in the 12's or so.

Also, FWD cars usually have the advantage in rolling starts, since it doesn't have to worry about balancing between bogging the engine or spinning the rear at speed(scary).

My point: He might/might not be lying...but he does have something to go on.

Originally posted by blowngsr
you dont have to believe me it doesnt really matter to me i know what happend and so do my witnesses. the only reason i posted this thread was because i saw it sayed beat a mustang? so i wanted to say my racing experience with a mustang you may think i am one of those people who gets online and starts shooting off all this bullshit like i have a civic with30psi and nos that runs 9.2@140. im not personally i hate those people. I just wanted to give inspiration to fellow 4 cyl that you win against the odds. any way if it may float your boat when i raced the saleen w/ nos we both had detonation problems maybe his were worse than mine. Plus by know means i mean to sound cocky by saying this but i know i am a very good driver (in a straight line) hehe i know about feathering double clutching, powershifting and shifting in my power band. maybe the should have destroyed me and i just out drove him maybe not. this brings me to quote one of the most un realistic movies i have ever seen and i quote "It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning" not to say i have any thing against mustangs personally i have more fun driving them because their torque and it is fun to slam 2nd and kick the ass end out. so pretty much if you dont believe me i dont care but i know what happened and no niether were v-6's my moms mini van could pull those sorry excuse for a car. well any ways have fun telling me i am full of shit and to those who read it for what it is and congradualate me "this is for my boys in da drop top":smoker2:

I don't know what you raced, but it most likely was a Saleen...Rather it was supercharged or not is left to be disputed, probably not SC'ed though only because you said you missed a shift and were still able to catch and pass him. If you hadn't missed a shift though, it would still have been a close race, like I said they have horrible curves and are beatable cars, usually running right about a 13.4 My friend has smoked a SC'ed Saleen in his Ws6 with exhaust with me as the passenger. Good kill either way though.

Originally posted by blowngsr
. i am a very good driver (in a straight line) hehe i know about feathering double clutching, powershifting and shifting in my power band.



Obviously, you dont know as much as you think if your double clutching in a race. And how are you double cluching and power shifting at the same time?:bloated:

Originally posted by 94svt5.0




Obviously, you dont know as much as you think if your double clutching in a race. And how are you double cluching and power shifting at the same time?:bloated:

He just said he knew about them...he never he said he did them at the same time.

Is it your internet life goal to try to tell me everything i say is b/s sorry i have better things to do thatn to sit here and argue with you. By the way double clutching can help you win a race:biggrin2:

Originally posted by blowngsr
Is it your internet life goal to try to tell me everything i say is b/s sorry i have better things to do thatn to sit here and argue with you. By the way double clutching can help you win a race:biggrin2:

Only if everyone else's experience has made us conclude that it's BS, some have stated that it may be possible. I state that it probably is the truth, but it's stretched a little thin...

Originally posted by blowngsr
Is it your internet life goal to try to tell me everything i say is b/s sorry i have better things to do thatn to sit here and argue with you. By the way double clutching can help you win a race:biggrin2:

I believe your story...Just curious, how can double clutching help you win a race??

Fast and Furious says it does, so it does, especially when drag racing on the street.

Double clutching would just slow you down, its an extra wasted movement.

Originally posted by cybercrx00
Fast and Furious says it does, so it does, especially when drag racing on the street.

And all this time I though double clutching would just cost time. Damn, I forgot if its in a move, on tv or on the internet it must be true.

I have raced a car before to 140mph, we were dead even, but when i double cluched i pulled him a half a car. If you dont believe this i have it on tape so tell me how to convert it to the internet and i will show you how double cluthing helps.

Originally posted by blowngsr
I have raced a car before to 140mph, we were dead even, but when i double cluched i pulled him a half a car. If you dont believe this i have it on tape so tell me how to convert it to the internet and i will show you how double cluthing helps.

STOP please...You may very well have a tape of you using some sort of technique that helped you win a race at 140mph, but that technique WAS MOST CERTAINLY NOT DOUBLE-CLUTCHING!!...Let me quote my other post here for you about what double clutching is...Then you will hopefully understand that you did not do it...

Originally posted by SELF

Actually, double-clutching is the proper technique you use to downshift the car at speed...Example...
You're in fourth gear and want to downshift into second gear. You press the clutch in and shift into neutral, at which point you let off of the clutch. You then use the accelerator to bring the engine speed up to where it needs to be for the lower gear. The clutch is then reengaged and you shift into the lower gear. What this does is reduce excessive wear on the transmissions synchronizers and also allows you to downshift without the car "jumping" like I'm sure most of you are used to.

See there, THAT is what double clutching is...There is no way it would help you win anything except a durability contest.

Blowngsr = schooled :D

Yeah, if you need to double clutch on the up shift then there is something wrong there. The only time you should have to double clutch on the up shift is with some older manual transmissions, as in from the 60s and 70s. Any newer car you would just be wasting your time. Also it helps a lot for large trucks like semis. All it does is help the syncros like Self said.

Saying you know about double clutching and using it in a race severely discredits you as being knowledgeable. Just pointing that out.

I think he is talking about clutching in to get RPM's higher then dumping it again.

just a guess

Originally posted by blowngsr
I was at Myrtle Beach this year and i was just cruizin down kings highway when a 98 S281 Saleen pulls up beside me. So of course i drive "that annoying import" so i bucked at him. He started talkin all sorts of shit saying he was going to shit all over me (his girl was in the car with him). So we end up catching a light. we race i have him 2 cars off the line, I drive like a moron and miss second. by the time i have it in 2nd he has caught up and pulled me 3/4 of a car. but then the immediate walk down and shit on by the end of 3rd gear i had him by 3 cars. Dam that was the greatest feeling in the world:greenchai


I don't know if this has been said but, lets see your time slip from the track. Only way to prove you beat the S281, if you don't have one then how are we suppose to believe you?

Originally posted by blowngsr
By the way double clutching can help you win a race:biggrin2:

Someone has been watching F&TF a little too often. Do you live your life a 1/4 mile at a time also? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Black_97'Z



I don't know if this has been said but, lets see your time slip from the track. Only way to prove you beat the S281, if you don't have one then how are we suppose to believe you?

We believe him because it's an internet forum, and you must extend a certain bit of trust for things to work on boards. He was there, we weren't...It happened. Unless he provides OUTRAGEOUS flaws in the story, there's no reason NOT to believe him. He's provided the time, place, his car and list of mods, and sufficient details about the race. That doubleclutching thing is a little shady, hehe:D But then again, I'm willing to bet that 90% of the people on here didn't know what doubleclutching was until AFTER the Fast and Furious came out. I know for a fact, most people weren't complaining about them saying "doubleclutching" in the movie the first time through. I didn't even know until afterwards, I went and looked up what it was. Then I realized that I had been "double clutching" for years b/c it was the way I was taught to drive, and just didn't know it was called that. Anyways, I believe him, no reason not to.

Originally posted by Self
I'm willing to bet that 90% of the people on here didn't know what doubleclutching was until AFTER the Fast and Furious came out. I know for a fact, most people weren't complaining about them saying "doubleclutching" in the movie the first time through.

Woo, at first I didn't pick up on your sarcasm, but you started to lay in on pretty thick. I started to laugh when he said that line in the movie "not double clutching like your suppose to" some ricer kid gave me a dirty look. I laughed alot in that movie. It was the greatest comedy of the year.

Originally posted by blowngsr
I was at Myrtle Beach this year and i was just cruizin down kings highway when a 98 S281 Saleen pulls up beside me. So of course i drive "that annoying import" so i bucked at him. He started talkin all sorts of shit saying he was going to shit all over me (his girl was in the car with him). So we end up catching a light. we race i have him 2 cars off the line, I drive like a moron and miss second. by the time i have it in 2nd he has caught up and pulled me 3/4 of a car. but then the immediate walk down and shit on by the end of 3rd gear i had him by 3 cars. Dam that was the greatest feeling in the world:greenchai

Props if you pulled it off, but the story is sketchy and im skeptical that a GSR can spank a saleen the way you did. But hey, I wasnt there so I wouldnt know if you DID or DIDNT spank him. Driving an underpowered import, I'd imagine that driver errors are unforgivable especially against a v-8 rodder. Or a poser 6-banger stang... whatevers. Maybe the guy was just fawking with you?!?! :bloated:

Just one question:

How come the import drivers are always the last ones given the benefit of the doubt? Especially since this part of the forum is supposed to be dedicated to a brand of one.

This is one of the reasons I stopped posting my races. I end up wasting about 3/4 of the thread defending and explaining just how I did it, short of saying that the hand of God picked me up and put me in front of the car I was supposed to lose to.

About 2 weeks ago I beat an early 80's Camaro with a 305(I asked him) in a straight-up race from a stop. All I have is a stock-engined 1997 4-door Civic LX(non-VTEC) with an intake, headers, a single pipe from the header to the high-flow muffler, short-shifter and a lightweight rim/tire combo designed to have a smaller over-all diameter than the stock combo(even though the rims are bigger...actually lowers your final/final gearing...which are your tires). My car's stock HP is 108 and my car's weight is 2,380LBS(it's been weighed). There. I've done did it. I wasn't supposed to beat that car, right? I'll be defending myself to kingdom come...

My point is, there is an aura of invincibility Americans have placed on traditional "muscle cars", mostly because they are the cars most Americans...and even people from other countries...have lusted after when they started understanding what cars were and what they were capable of. I remember hearing stories when I was ten about how fast a freakin' Ford Bronco...of all things...was. The kid said it was SO fast, it was making his skin peel or something. I was awed. Just like I was awed by my dad's 73 Cutlass with a transplanted 4-barrel big-block in it.

I was awed by a friend's 1969 Dodge Charger. His car was stock, but it was big, loud and menacing.

It ran a best of 15.1 on the track and I regularly beat it on the streets with my old b16 powered '90 'Teg.

I wasn't so awed after that.

I read in a magazine sometime last year that some of the supposed "muscle cars" of your dad's and grandpa's heyday would've actually been beat by your mom's Honda Odyssey mini-van.

Bottomline. The car you awe, whether muscle, exotic, compact or anything is NOT and NEVER will be the end-all of automotive performance. ANYTHING can happen.

Give the lowly import builders some credit.

gotta love those mid-late 70's camaros and their 16 second 1/4 mile, hahahahaha

Originally posted by carrrnuttt

About 2 weeks ago I beat an early 80's Camaro with a 305(I asked him) in a straight-up race from a stop. All I have is a stock-engined 1997 4-door Civic LX(non-VTEC) with an intake, headers, a single pipe from the header to the high-flow muffler, short-shifter and a lightweight rim/tire combo designed to have a smaller over-all diameter than the stock combo(even though the rims are bigger...actually lowers your final/final gearing...which are your tires). My car's stock HP is 108 and my car's weight is 2,380LBS(it's been weighed). There. I've done did it. I wasn't supposed to beat that car, right? I'll be defending myself to kingdom come...


There is no way you beat him, show us some time slips! That 305 is rated at an amazing 140-190 flywheel HP (around 110-150rwhp) and weighing in at around 3,400 pounds. You are a lier! :D :p

I'm just messing with you, I hope you beat him because if you lost to that car it would be truely sad. It is true that anything can happen on the street, but if a 4 cylinder import claims to beat a late model domestic V8, in most cases be prepaired to back up you claim with some kind of visable proof of your cars ability. Especially in todays mentality of domestic Vs. import, and the influx of import racing.

Not all V8's are created equal. Just because you have a loud domestic V8 doesn't mean it actually makes HP to dack up the sound, the power is made in the heads not the block. A 350 with crap heads and a mild cam will make OK torque because of it's displacement, but HP will suck. An '85 LB9 305 engine in F-bodys made good tq with 275, but only 215hp. :eek:

Yea this is a long reply but some kill storys by both domestic and import drivers are posted not because it really happened, but because of ignorance of the car, and sterotyped thinking. All domestic V8 are slow, old technology pushrod engines, and all imports are slow rice cars. People, quit watching F&TF and reading Car&Driver. To most of them if it not an exotic performance car it's crap. Go to the local 1/4 mile tracks, go to the AutoX's, go to the road courses and see what a car does in real life. Believe with your eyes, not what a writer at a desk driving a 4 door Volvo to to work can do in a car (or lack there of), or what some 16 year old behind a computer says he "killed", and can not prove his cars ability with out a time slip or a video. That is all.

Oh I almost forgot, VTEC is not a power adder and you will not "Kill" me when it kicks in, and the LS1, Cobra, etc....is not invencible! :smoker2:

OK maybe i heard the wrong definition of double clutching. SORRY!@#$% any way you wanted time slips i do not have them with me they are at my house (which i dont live at). but i can get them if it really makes you happy. but from off the top of my head i can tell you i had: 2.2,60ft; 8.9@82-84mph,1/8m, i cant remeber the other ones but if you really need them ican get them.



ps. sorry i even made this post it was a big mistake, i didnt know people would be so F***ing critical, oh yeah and i am just the dumbist S.O.B. for not knowing the correct definition of double clutching. have a good day:wave:

ps. sorry i even made this post it was a big mistake, i didnt know people would be so F***ing critical, oh yeah and i am just the dumbist S.O.B. for not knowing the correct definition of double clutching. have a good day


Hey, if you said it, I believe you dawg. I'm behind you. I've been in that one bright shining moment in my life where I beat a V8 stang (lol, cuz he grinded gears but still...)

Sorry about everybody giving you crap. People can just be assholes. Instead of kudos for a good race you get a bunch of shit... I know how it goes. But hey, great kill. Way to go.

Don't worry about the double clutching thing: Everybodys gotta learn sometime. Christ. People just need to let some shit die and realize that at some point in time they didn't know what double clutching was either.


and carrrnuttt,
I agree with every damn word you said. More power to you, you've told it exactly how it's supposed to be told.
Not everything depends on the car itself. A damn lot has to do with the driver. Somebody comes in here and shares his race story like everybody else and instead of 'good kill', he gets crucified. How about we give a little more respect to our boys and girls working hard on the street to keep the good import name sacred.