U like the 93' caviler?

Looking at a 93' Chevy cavaler. Do you like it. Looks almost like the old 5.0's. I can do stuff to it in the long run. :licka:

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Reliable cars. Not the fastest if you're looking to be racing anyone but if you need a ride to school and work go for it. I do like the looks of them too.

sure just don't expect them to be fast.... like at all, my '92 bone stock accord is faster than a late 90's model with an intake (not sure if it was short ram or cold air, not that it makes much of a difference). but if you're using it to get around and go to school, like i do with my accord, it should treat you ok. just don't abuse it and it should last a while.

Yea I think I going to buy it. Plus it got a 2.2 L4. I can prob do some stuff to it in the long run.

Yea I think I going to buy it. Plus it got a 2.2 L4. I can prob do some stuff to it in the long run.


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Ye thanks but you think I can do anythign to the engine?

my dad had a '94. pretty good car. Only major problem was the AC went. It was going to be mine, but he got rid of it before i could drive. But its cool. i got my cougar!

I owned a 91 for a while and it was kind of a crap box, It had really high miles and all and really didn't owe anything to anyone. It never broke down though, even though parts would sometimes fall off haha.All in all not a bad car. Don't expect speed from it though.

You think you can do anything to the the stock engine?

sure you can do stuff to the stock engine but you won't be able to make it fast without investing lost of money into it. you could spend a few grand buying your basic bolt-ons (intake, exhaust, ignition, etc) and you'll have a faster car but it still won't be fast.

o we'll maybe I can get 300ish hp.

You won't see 300 ish at all. You won't see 200 ish. They aren't fast cars. You might be able to make 200 with full bolt ons with the Z24 with the V6.

o we'll maybe I can get 300ish hp.
lol, not unless you're planing on throwing in $9-$12K.

Why is this? Is because the engine is not really good to modify and can not fit.

it's just that it's not a powerful engine so it'll take more to get the power you're looking for than if you started with a better engine.

Its the same as making any small 4 cylinder fast. You want serious speed you need a turbocharger/supercharger and that brings on a whole mess of engine upgrades too so its going to cost big bucks. If you want something fast just go out and buy a camaro or a trans am. Otherwise you're going to have to do some serious modding to get to 300hp.

Nicely put

So bigger engines are less expensive to modify because there easier?

camaros and trans ams come with the 350 small block, they're everywhere. finding mods for them is about the easiest thing you can do and they're cheap. modifying one of those to get a high ammount of horsepower is really cheap and easy compared to a 4 cylender because they already start off with more power and torque so you don't have to do much to have a fast car.

So bigger engines are less expensive to modify because there easier?
Not neccisarily easier. Think of it this way:
If you have an engine thats say a 2.4 liter 4cylinderengine, (thats a little bigger than the size of a bottle of pop) there is that much room for the processes combustion wich results in your power. And because 4 cylinder engines were not created to smoke some guy you're racing, they dont need as strong of parts.

But say you have a 4.8 liter V8. thats double the amount of room, resulting in more space for the procceses to occure. This means more power, and more room to push compressed air into, giveing you the ability to have more power. and because V8's are usually made to handle higher amounts of power, then they are USUALLY easier to mod.

Sorry if this sounds stupid, but im just trying to help you understand in a different way.

Not neccisarily easier. Think of it this way:
If you have an engine thats say a 2.4 liter 4cylinderengine, (thats a little bigger than the size of a bottle of pop) there is that much room for the processes combustion wich results in your power. And because 4 cylinder engines were not created to smoke some guy you're racing, they dont need as strong of parts.

But say you have a 4.8 liter V8. thats double the amount of room, resulting in more space for the procceses to occure. This means more power, and more room to push compressed air into, giveing you the ability to have more power. and because V8's are usually made to handle higher amounts of power, then they are USUALLY easier to mod.

Sorry if this sounds stupid, but im just trying to help you understand in a different way.
Yes I see what your saying but people mod 4 cyl all the time. Watch the fast and the furious (I know it's alittle unrealistic NOS wooo!z) but still it show that you can do stuff to civics, evo's, etc. But as we'll V6's and up are prob better to modify because it's cheaper to do. Like turbo intake, heads, etc.

F&F doesn't show anything, they don't really make those cars super fast, it's all computer trickery and camera work. and obviously you can make civics and the like fast, it'll just cost you more money than making a cheap V8 fast, especially the chevy 350sb.

F&F doesn't show anything, they don't really make those cars super fast, it's all computer trickery and camera work. and obviously you can make civics and the like fast, it'll just cost you more money than making a cheap V8 fast, especially the chevy 350sb. Dude you can modify 4 cyl. just like V8's. Lol ther are high 8's second 4 cyl's. out there they just take more money.

yeah, which is exactly what i said. reread my post you'll see that i wrote "sure you can make civics and the like fast, it'll just cost you more money than making a cheap V8 fast, especially the chevy 350sb."

I would say if you really like that style Cavalier go for a Z24 with a 5-Speed. Pretty quick car for what it is, 0-60 in the low 8's I think. I actually was think about selling my Corolla for one but I found the Mark VIII.

If theres any for sale in your area, chevy berettas are pretty nice cars. Same styling basically. The 93 GTZ I had came with 175hp and a 5 speed.

the modability of a car is all about the aftermarket. cars like f bodies, mustangs, supras, civics, and 240sx's have large aftermarkets and are easy to modify and find parts for. caviliers do not have a large aftermarket so its gonna be harder. personally i think the z24 cavy is a great daily driver. its not fast but its not slow either. plus its small enough to whip around some country roads. and it gets good mileage.

Ye, ur saying V8's are easier to modify & cheaper because there made to handle more power and are more powerful than 4 cyl. 4 cyl. are more money to modify main point.

no, i said cars with a large aftermarket are easy to modify. engine size plays little part. if you are talking about max power attainable then yes engine size determines alot.

no, i said cars with a large aftermarket are easy to modify. engine size plays little part. if you are talking about max power attainable then yes engine size determines alot.
Yes, Cars with bigger engines are less expensive to modify and you can get more power out of them for the price. and period.

oh yes, a 600+bhp 6.0 V12 is really easy to modify.

If you're comparing against Neon and Escort, then it's OK I spose.


But both those cars were Rubbish, just like the Cavalier.

2.4 litre engine that feels like a 1.6, the Auto trannies are rubbish, the reliability is terrible when pitted against the Japanese (In fact most Auto-electricians charge double labour rates to fix Toyota Cavaliers, because they're such a bitch).

They're also uncomfortable, ugly, badly built and have absolutely nothing on a Civic.

If you're comparing against Neon and Escort, then it's OK I spose.


But both those cars were Rubbish, just like the Cavalier.

2.4 litre engine that feels like a 1.6, the Auto trannies are rubbish, the reliability is terrible when pitted against the Japanese (In fact most Auto-electricians charge double labour rates to fix Toyota Cavaliers, because they're such a bitch).

They're also uncomfortable, ugly, badly built and have absolutely nothing on a Civic.You don't know what the heck ur talking about do u. Plus everything u said is personal opinion. And when a mechanic worked on a cavalier he didn't charge extra at all.

Lol.

The engine is an absolute pile of shit given its' dispalcement- fact

The Automatic transmission is a pile of junk that either has ADHD or feels dead- fact (I should note at this point that the Toyota Cavaliers we got 2nd hand via Japan were all 2.4 autos)

It's unreliable and badly built- fact, as a matter of fact, if you ask any mechanic or auto-sparky here (Remembering that Hondas, Toyotas, Mazdas, BMWs and Nissans make up the majority of the cars that they do) about the Cavalier, you'll be greeted with colorful language, hence why most charge double rate on Cavaliers or just plain won't touch them. Plus, despite them being fairly common, parts, at least in NZ, cost a fortune. Or you could just try change the water pump on a Z24, then come back and talk about Cavaliers.

Uncomfortable- Admittedly I'm fairly tall, but I never had this problem in Fiats.

Ugly- Opinion, I suppose. But they're still but ugly and what I say goes, so there.

And yes I do know what I'm talking about.

toyota cavalier?

chevrolet cavalier

They were sold in Japan as toyotas, they were manufactured here in usa and only had minor changes for Japan...tail lights, side mirrors, toyota emblems.

i stand corrected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Cavalier#Toyota_Cavalier

I drove a Cavalier once. A 96. The steering was disgustingly vague with no weight, no on center, and no feel for where the car was going when you tried to turn. I've never heard more shakes and rattles in anything anyone even tried to call a car. And I could deffidently feel the rear axle hoping over bumps and jolting the poor girl in the back.

But..the way I see it, modifying a four cylinder is strictly a class thing. I would modify one to compete with only other 4 cylinders because it does a better job at showing who has the better car. The Mustang is trash, I think. But it could still romp a four cylinder easily, making any comparison pointless.

Given that, the Cavalier still isn't a car worth modifying. You start driving one, and you think it has pep, when really, its just making noise at you. The power is low for its displacement, and you can't get anything out of it without sinking thousands of dollars into it.

I did see a 3800 swap into a Cavalier before though. Nose heavy as hell, but probably also fast.