what muffler comes with the borla catback?

Just need to know cause im prolly gonna purchase that muffler :) Then get a custom install done woot!

Then get my PCM and win vs everyone :) Everyone honda-ish at least... and not the Si of course.

Hey Vipey, Dont think Borla sells just the muffler.
I havent seen them anywhere, and I did look about a year ago.

Its not realy any better then any other muffler IMO.
If you do find one, it'll probly be around $200 or more :yikes:

I read somewhere that flowmaster doesn't have as good of performance as others like magnaflow and borla and stuff, but I dont know how much of a difference it would make...

I read somewhere that flowmaster doesn't have as good of performance as others like magnaflow and borla and stuff, but I dont know how much of a difference it would make...

:gay: muffler is a muffler that muffles and tones sound :screwy:
Not exactly sure how much each would give on 'gains' I read somewhere Borla gave 12hp or something screwy, but I think it just depends on size of pipe you go with... I went with 2.5" and FM80 cause I plan on headers... kinda have in mind what its gonna sound like... LOUD heheheh :evillol:

flowmaster = somewhat aggressive sound (mine would be louder if there was a small resonator, or smaller pipe pushing more out, but I plan for headers)
Magnaflow = deep tone, but not the raspy aggressive tone... almost ricy
borla = kinda a mixture between both, more buying the name 'borla' than the exhaust :p
SLP = good buy, uses flowmaster I think, or same style... might be loudest in aggressive style or harsh tone

best buy $$$ would be flowmaster/magnaflow muffler only from like ebay for cheap and having a shop locally hook you up... make sure its a good shop, b/c that bend over the axel is a bitch... even worse case if you have a guy who doesnt know how to approach it heh

prolly what i'll do then... how much hp gain approx from the flowmaster?

I figure once I do the exhaust, the PCM will fit in nicely :)

prolly what i'll do then... how much hp gain approx from the flowmaster?

I figure once I do the exhaust, the PCM will fit in nicely :)

idk :dunno: 6hp-ish ? .. stock headers/cat w/ 2.5" piping... but im guessing... the power band gets shifted lower, u can feel the tq gain from just driving normal.. thats the first thing I noticed

dhp pcm will take everything you have and just compliment it... its really nice :thumbsup:

Do shops know how to make headers at all, and if so would they be cheaper than the S&S headers?

Do shops know how to make headers at all, and if so would they be cheaper than the S&S headers?

maybe if you have the flow numbers and measurments from S&S headers but doubt they'll give em to you

headers are hard to make, lots of trial and error and some math stuff

I read somewhere that flowmaster doesn't have as good of performance as others like magnaflow and borla and stuff, but I dont know how much of a difference it would make...

You must have heard that from a Magnablow owner :lol:
I used to have the Magnablow on the SE, it sounded to muffled and was kinda raspy like as in ricey :gay:

If you could find a shop to make headers it would cost more then S&S. Alot of hours would go into fabricating them, when the S&S are done with a machine that already knows how the bends need to be and so on and so forth.

I'll have to get some Vids uploaded somewhere of the SE and its nice low tone :grinyes:

I'll have to get some Vids uploaded somewhere of the SE and its nice low tone :grinyes:

Yes please do so!! :ylsuper:

gotta find a cheap place to get my flowmaster 80 put on :D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Flowmaster-42583-Muffler-Crossflow-80-Series_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33636QQihZ011QQi temZ320055118299QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


Does this fit the size requirements? Meaning, will this fit under my car? If so I'm going to prolly order it tonight :)

Hey Vipey!

The flowmasters tiny compared to the stock mufflers.
I was thinking the stock mufflers are around 18-20" long.

Thats the one I have FLO-42583.
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/flo-42583.jpg
Hell cant beat that price + shipping with a stick!
Not far away either :thumbsup:

Did you look and see if the summit store carried the headers ? Might find a deal!

I'm not in any hurry with the GT,
as everthing is in lymbo right now as far as mods go on the GA's.
I need to finish up my GTX I'm restoring first.

Not gonna get headers right now. Just gonna get muffler and custom cat-back install from there. Then PCM after next paycheck, and rear strut bar after that. Then I will probably save up money for a new car that will actually go fast stock :smokin:

I thought you already had strut bars Vipey :confused:

I thought you already had strut bars Vipey :confused:

Front. Need rear still ;D

My bad !
I thought you got both for at one time ....
Im a burnout with a gear for a head :lol:

if you want to buy me headers, sure :D:p

Ugh I'm impatient... I want to go back to Lafayette and get a quote so I know whether or not to buy... arghhhh!!!

ugh the place I was going to buy the muffler from (or the person) ended their auction... now I have to pay like 20 bucks more :(

Ugh I'm impatient... I want to go back to Lafayette and get a quote so I know whether or not to buy... arghhhh!!!

ugh the place I was going to buy the muffler from (or the person) ended their auction... now I have to pay like 20 bucks more


Well I was going to say something about that the other day.
Just go to summits ebay store, I bet they have more or will put some up soon.

Hey I also merged your two posts :p

I was searching google videos and found some of mine own that I didnt even remember was up thier.
Took them 3 months to approve it :gay:

0-90 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7092617133219937262&q=grand+am+videos)
Thats w/ headers/CAI/Magnablo, had almost a full tank too.
Its pretty short, 18sec :smokin: which I was only at 3/4 throtle because of newr gaskets.
(before the headjob and cam/internal upgrades)

I have several videos of the SE,
but they are all like 10-25 MB ......
........... and I'm on dail up. :disappoin

haa just looked..

Good Borla sound video - GA GT (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8510171809152568306)

If thats the sound, guessing no headers.. and its the cat-back setup... I dont want borla =o

Flowmaster 40 series (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5536614058074965583&q=grand+am+videos)

....2 1/2 pipe from the cat back... also its the 3 inch inlet and outlet on a flowmaster 40 deltaflow series

holy cow... I know the sound quality is bad but still... DAMN

Ya I listened to most of those crapy sounding clips :rolleyes:

That 40 series doesnt make since.. 2 1/2" pipe but has 3" in/out muffler :screwy:

Borla sounded to ricey.
Hell my GT stock sounds better then most of those.

Did you see the vid with the stuck GA ?

Ya I listened to most of those crapy sounding clips :rolleyes:

That 40 series doesnt make since.. 2 1/2" pipe but has 3" in/out muffler :screwy:

Borla sounded to ricey.
Hell my GT stock sounds better then most of those.

Did you see the vid with the stuck GA ?

it makes sense to me... sorta like that one term.. redneck engineering

example... ----<==mflr==

- being 2.50
= is 3"
< being where they stretched the pipe to either fit inside or slip over the muffler inlet... my guess :popcorn:

its being pushed out quicker thru the smaller pipe then boom it hits the muffler... and now thinking about it.. thats prob why its loud like that =o

just think honda w/ fart can ... tiny stock piping... then large chrome $100 noise maker =o

Well Gir, I know a 2.5" pipe will NOT expand to 3" without spliting the pipe.

So ya its an anouying noise maker :rofl:

gah I forgot that I have to pay for a majority of my trips to Iowa later this week and San Antonio in a few weeks yet... so I have to hold off for a while :(

gah I forgot that I have to pay for a majority of my trips to Iowa later this week and San Antonio in a few weeks yet... so I have to hold off for a while :(

if ur comin thru austin give meh a hollarrr :grinyes:

gah I forgot that I have to pay for a majority of my trips to Iowa later this week and San Antonio in a few weeks yet... so I have to hold off for a while


Good Luck with those trips out west !
Better bring a shovle and some warm cloths :grinyes:

if ur comin thru austin give meh a hollarrr :grinyes:

I'm flying out to San Antonio... since I'll be 2 weeks from 21 at that point I probably won't be heading out to Austin (most others are 21 and will be going to the bars there I guess), but if I do I'll let you know :)

Good Luck with those trips out west !
Better bring a shovle and some warm cloths :grinyes:

:(

Taking my mom's new Torrent since I'll still be home for Xmas break... at least that thing is AWD and able to go through snow better than my lowered grand am / snowplow LOL

It will be interesting indeed.