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how do you know if a crx model is an hf or dx... i hope carfax.com isn't fkking me with this shit....

im trying to buy a crx hf trim of course.. but sellers weren't sure if the trim is hf or dx... and everything appears to be hf style.. but when i look it up on carfax.com i've only seen HONDA CIVIC CRX DX.

so yeah.. whats the main diff anyways... couldn't find any brochures online so yeah...

If you dont know the differnces why are you so set on one model?

assap assap assap only difference i know of its the 8 valve motor/transmission..damn AF is slow

Well easiest way to do it would be to look at the motor. If its a d15 with factory mpfi its a hf.

i agree with hybrid. get a look at the block code.

HF also had a factory tach, dx did not.

i thought all crx's had tachs..

naw dx's don't come with tach's it's a special thing.

naw dx's don't come with tach's it's a special thing.

Not true. My last two DX's both came with tachs. It has to do with where it was made (canada, japan, ohio)

Look at the engine code and see what it says.

If you dont know the differnces why are you so set on one model?

... :uhoh: honestly... because if i know anything about a crx, without previously owning one, the hf is about 2 or 3 hundred pounds lighter (unless somewhere there was a rift in time and space and all the research i did was wrong) ........ or do you only care if it looks shiny and has pretty colored lights? ....

anyways... got it in my hands now... bought it for 400 bux and a PS3. Drove it back to my house which was 40 mins away and it seemed to be fine to me. It does have a tach and such but i'll double check about the engine code. thanks anyways.

Not true. My last two DX's both came with tachs. It has to do with where it was made (canada, japan, ohio)

Look at the engine code and see what it says.

Which one had tachs? Mines an 88 made in japan and it did not have a factory tach, and I havnt no seen one that does.

2-300 pounds is far from the truth. Difference in the hf and the dx is 100 pounds max, more along the lines of 30-40 pounds- if even that.

He might be thinking about the 1st gen CRX weight differences between the HF and Si. There is a 300 lb difference there, but I would stick with the Si because where all the weight came from was suspension, and I would sacrifice some weight for a beefer suspension, especially since the Si still only weighs 1900lbs.

hmmph... well if anything i'd blame it on you people at AF and Sport Compact Car mag (jkjk :grinyes: ) because i researched that the 88 had a type of rear steering assist thats good for tuning if you do it right. but w/e im happy for the time being. I'm pretty sure its an hf plus the dude said it has an hf motor ( i hope:sly: ).. but of course i'll check the engine code; about to do that in a little. Haha but go ahead and make fun but im jumping into this racing world dammit!! I plan to start out with Solo II in my local area.

i thought all crxs had tachs, i thought it was the civic base model and dx that did not come with them....

Which one had tachs? Mines an 88 made in japan and it did not have a factory tach, and I havnt no seen one that does.


Factory Tach:
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In a very much stock 89 DX CRX.

huh.

The weight diff in the 1st gen is b/c of the suspension, engine, and interior parts. the engine is slightly heavier b/c of the MPFI manifold that is 2-Piece, vs the carb'd one.. (debateable)
Then you have the suspension, which I know nothing about, but my STD carb'd model is fine, corners on rails with just urethane bushings and stock suspension (and the front ride height at minimum... so it drives on the corners of the tires.. ) but the suspension barely rolls at high speed cornering.

The 2nd Gen CRX is like 40 lbs between the HF and the Si... rear sway bar and mounts.. and that's all it is. (Unless you have power windows, then it's like 10 more.) You can lose that 40 lbs by taking out parts that are "extra" that you'll never use, such as the tow hooks, and stuff like that. But chances are, you'll add a sway bar to your HF... meaning you just gained that weight and maybe more. So just think about it.

The weight diff in the 1st gen is b/c of the suspension, engine, and interior parts. the engine is slightly heavier b/c of the MPFI manifold that is 2-Piece, vs the carb'd one.. (debateable)
Then you have the suspension, which I know nothing about, but my STD carb'd model is fine, corners on rails with just urethane bushings and stock suspension (and the front ride height at minimum... so it drives on the corners of the tires.. ) but the suspension barely rolls at high speed cornering.

The 2nd Gen CRX is like 40 lbs between the HF and the Si... rear sway bar and mounts.. and that's all it is. (Unless you have power windows, then it's like 10 more.) You can lose that 40 lbs by taking out parts that are "extra" that you'll never use, such as the tow hooks, and stuff like that. But chances are, you'll add a sway bar to your HF... meaning you just gained that weight and maybe more. So just think about it. son u have no idea what ur talking about..so go pray aside the pillow of ur bed and ask for common sense
as i pray on the last day of advent and worship of the vigil Mass..today is the last of Christmas Novena

lol...:iagree:

hmmph... well if anything i'd blame it on you people at AF and Sport Compact Car mag (jkjk :grinyes: ) because i researched that the 88 had a type of rear steering assist thats good for tuning if you do it right. but w/e im happy for the time being. I'm pretty sure its an hf plus the dude said it has an hf motor ( i hope:sly: ).. but of course i'll check the engine code; about to do that in a little. Haha but go ahead and make fun but im jumping into this racing world dammit!! I plan to start out with Solo II in my local area.

You're right about the suspension. The 88 comes with the ITR rear suspension from the factory....just the spring rates are different. The HF also has a front sway bar whereas the DX doesn't.
As for the weight differences, 88 is the lightest year for the 4th generation and every year after that, it gets a bit heavier. HF is the lightest, then the DX, then the Si.
The 88 HF is the lightest 4th gen and the 91 civic si is the heaviest (excluding 4dr's).

it isnt quite an ITR suspension but u can use 97-01 ITR shocks thats about it..yes its uh true story HF 88's are kickass..which i may sumday get my hands on and do cr-vtec N/A

i wanna do a hub swap with the crv hubs and some acura calibers, but i like my watanabe rims. so five lug isn't really an option.

it isnt quite an ITR suspension but u can use 97-01 ITR shocks thats about it..yes its uh true story HF 88's are kickass..which i may sumday get my hands on and do cr-vtec N/A

You're right. The rear shocks are the same though, just different valving. When you shop around for rear shocks for an 88, they'll be listed as 88 civic/crx/ITR.

Accually the ITR uses 88 suspension if you want to be technical about it. Theres also not alot impressive about it, I have an 88 and I like it, but once you lower it a few inches the effect is completely lost. Its achived by having the mounting point for the compensator link mounted high so when the suspension travels up or down (as it would during cornering) it causes it to slightly toe in or out.

As to dropzone... If I mail you a bullet and a gun, will you put two and two together?

^haha^

son u have no idea what ur talking about..so go pray aside the pillow of ur bed and ask for common sense
as i pray on the last day of advent and worship of the vigil Mass..today is the last of Christmas Novena

lol i couldnt have agreed with you more.... honestly.. i remember when i used to be like that.. for one.. the power sunroof that the Si comes with adds like 50 or so pounds at the top of the car... making it not very effective in terms of body roll and such.

Accually the ITR uses 88 suspension if you want to be technical about it. Theres also not alot impressive about it, I have an 88 and I like it, but once you lower it a few inches the effect is completely lost. Its achived by having the mounting point for the compensator link mounted high so when the suspension travels up or down (as it would during cornering) it causes it to slightly toe in or out.

As to dropzone... If I mail you a bullet and a gun, will you put two and two together?

And thats an awsome piece of information. For a while my dad (who doesn't really know much about imports but has enough common knowledge about automotives.. and it has only been about 24 hours since i've bought the car) thought it was weird that the front of my car would be lowered and not the back; its basically just a poser drag car :grinno: .. or atleast thats what i thought.. unless by what you are talking about... thats what they intended..... or is this a shot in the dark with this one?

as for TSC and dpsays u both almost posted somthing i gave 2 shits about! but i do wanna wish u both a Merry Xmas and a better New Yr

Lowering the front and not the back would be idiotic.

Accually the ITR uses 88 suspension if you want to be technical about it....

Technically, yes.
Also, I could be wrong, (so don't quote me on this) but I believe all the JDM models use the 88 style rear.
The 88 shares everything in common with the JDM base model minus the obvious (jdm body panels, RHD).
The 88 has seatbelt-less doors (as do all jdm models), different door shells w/ longer windows, the different rear suspension, wiring compatibilities...etc. which matches the jdm version.
It's basically a jdm crx imported to the U.S. adapted for american safety standards and emissions control.

As far as I know all jdm 4th gens had the "88" suspension also. I belive they even used it on some of the newer generations too.

Lowering the front and not the back would be idiotic.

The car does have alot of pull for its size. I know the seller did some fuel injection mods or alterations (or so he says), but you don't think that ITR in the back and the sway bar assisted, lowered front makes any sence at all? I mean all the weight really is in the front of the car when you think about it, besides the fact that the center is shifted even farther towards the front now.

but hmph haha just a thought, of course im not going to keep it this way, but would be cool to know that it helped any.

ass up is used for drag racing fwd to keep them from squatting to bad and loosing traction

Squatting really has nothing to do with the height, its the spring rate that controls the squat.

By the way, dont say "ass up" and "squatting" in the same line, otherwise I'm going to get everyone I know here (and I know plenty) to start calling you Prison Bitch.

ah prison bitch.

bam, i have a 91 jdm crx and i just went and looked but it looked like the independent suspension is the same as my US 91 crx. What would it look like if it was type r? A solid beam across ?

it wouldn't look like a thread hijacker.

what is a thread hikacker?

Just look at the lower control arm, if its a stamped piece its the "passive rear" if its a cast piece its the regular.