New SE-R + SE-R Spec V

I was just wondering if anyone has seen this. If you haven't, here is some info on the 07 SE-R and SE-RSpec v.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/nissan-sentra-se-r-and-se-r-spec-v-ar16849.html
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Sweet! A higher-revving, 200hp QR25.

Dunno about the looks though.....hmmm.

Dunno about the looks though.....hmmm.
yeah I hear ya. I don't know what they were talking about when they said "a sporty look". Just looks akward.

looks like ill be renting a spec v from enterprise and stealin me a motor, if i bolted up my mods to the new motor id be making some actual power

o geez. this isnt good. now they are going to want to compare th spec-v to the rsx and that market as well. i have no idea how it would do. the new looks also dont scream "sporty" to me. what is the rev limiter stuck at for the qr motor before this one? im sayin if i can rev higher than it, id prob just laugh.

The 02-06 SE-R's redline was 6200rpm. Waaayyy too low for a "sport compact". Short gears + low redline = :puke:

yeah but if they "totally redesigned" the top end then why couldnt they get the rev up to 7250 like technosquare can? it seems like if they improved the valvesprings and valves and rods like they said they did then it should have no problem revving to 7250, which would make the thing a fucking monster, higher revving cams and a 7200 redline would make that thing rape a rsx, there would be no comparing them

i could do that for about 600 bucks. that would be pretty equivilent to a spec-v in the 1/4 id say if i was in manual.

lol since i picked up a bike i havent even thought about making my car any faster, something about pulling off a wheelie from 60mph by rolling the throttle back in 5th gear just takes all the fun out of a sentra.....

i dont blame you. ive basically given up on the auto sentra. unless anytime soon i can find the same model one but manual, looks like its all over for the sentra anyway.

The 02-06 SE-R's redline was 6200rpm. Waaayyy too low for a "sport compact". Short gears + low redline = :puke:

oh stop bitching about the redline, once you consider ratios it really doesnt make a damn bit of difference. Take this for instance, the integra type R and spec v (02 anyway) have almost identical shift points mph for mph, so in the end the redline doesnt make a shit bit of difference. Why is everyone such a RPM fanboy?

because my bike redlines at 12k and i shift out of first at 90mph, redline is HUUUUUGE in an engine, the fact that integras make 0 ft lbs of torque means their gears will shift around the same time the specs do because they are geared lower, so the extra 2k rpm they have to play with enables them to run a lower gear to compensate for the rediculous lack of torque that a shitonda motor makes, not to mention that with the heads and displacement that a spec has if you ran the redline up to 7200 you would make another 10whp just from increased crankshaft momentum alone, it would also make the shift point around 35mph instead of 25 like it is now, which enables greater acceleration time before your first shift lowering your 60ft times at the track, seriously dude, dont post about something you have no clue about, we dont like to hear yourself talk

oh stop bitching about the redline, once you consider ratios it really doesnt make a damn bit of difference. Take this for instance, the integra type R and spec v (02 anyway) have almost identical shift points mph for mph, so in the end the redline doesnt make a shit bit of difference. Why is everyone such a RPM fanboy?


Yeah, but the Integra has an ultra-high redline and much shorter gears than a Spec. So even with the major power disadvantage(yes, the Spec is more powerful), it manages to be much faster(15.4 vs 14.9). Why?

Seeing as how both cars weigh about the same, it's because the redline is a good 2000rpm higher in the ITR. This means Honda was able to mate it with much shorter gears resulting in more power getting to the ground, while maintaning a reasonable peak mph in each gear.

58mph@6200rpm in the Spec
vs
58mph@8400rpm in the ITR

You tell me redline doesn't matter...:screwy:

Wow, I didn't know the type R was that fast. I have beaten one before by about half a car length probably around 100 mph. It was a damn good race, but maybe that guy just put a type R badge on his car. Hmmmmmm :confused:

Type-R's are no joke, but they are also extremely rare. More than likely, he just put a Type-R wing and badge on his GS-R.

i cant think of how many close races i couldve won with another 1500rpm in the motor

No wing on this car. THe badge had to be a fake.

So would it be worth it to just invest in the engine parts that are new in the 07 model? Same engine with some different parts which bring the HP & TQ up, right? So why not get those parts in throw them in your own engine and run a bit better? Am I crazy for thinking this?

So would it be worth it to just invest in the engine parts that are new in the 07 model? Same engine with some different parts which bring the HP & TQ up, right? So why not get those parts in throw them in your own engine and run a bit better? Am I crazy for thinking this?

I think the new 2.5's are bored out differently, you can't just slap their engine makings into the old 2.5. Plus, if you are going to go out of your way to make the spec an all engine car, it's 100 times better to do the 3.5VQ Altima swap. There is no substitute...

I think the new 2.5's are bored out differently, you can't just slap their engine makings into the old 2.5. Plus, if you are going to go out of your way to make the spec an all engine car, it's 100 times better to do the 3.5VQ Altima swap. There is no substitute...

Interesting. This is my first Nissan ever (novice car tuner) so I'm still learning the in's and out's.

Interesting. This is my first Nissan ever (novice car tuner) so I'm still learning the in's and out's.

what kind of nissan?

The question i have is what all has changed on this engine. Is the head the only thing that has been reworked. If this is the case then i am going to have to assume that this head would bolt onto an 05's block. With so much head difference, a simple swap would be in order to pick up much of those gains. What has been done with the block?

forged internals and new cam profile, the rods are stronger the crank is balanced, basicly everything you would want to do to your car to make it handle more power, i wouldnt worry about sourcing rods and cams from the dealer, just wait for a bit till someone thows one in the junkyard and steal the whole engine.........lol

At this point once we got these into the mix, so you think this will help mainstream the Spec-V any at all to help alleviate the outrageous arse-raping prices and lack of parts?

Secondly, how sick do you think it would be to have the first Turbo'd Spec with this engine. Sleeved block and all?

Nevermind the price tag thing that will make your heart shutter.

At this point once we got these into the mix, so you think this will help mainstream the Spec-V any at all to help alleviate the outrageous arse-raping prices and lack of parts?

Secondly, how sick do you think it would be to have the first Turbo'd Spec with this engine. Sleeved block and all?

Nevermind the price tag thing that will make your heart shutter.

eh... I like turbos, but I just hate the fact that EVERYONE goes turbo anymore. No doubt it's a great mod... but it's just so freaking trendy. I guess it would be neat to have the first turbod spec... power wise. Cosmetically, it would suck ass.

I think what i'm going to try to attempt to do pending the money would be to put that engine in my 05 Spec. Build it before it goes in. But that will require finding a buttload of money. But this is where it would get pimp though. I hate the exterior. I don't know why they do this stuff to these cars. I like this generation of the sentra 02-06. This new one is just an arse kiss away. I don't know that many people will buy this engine setup and everything with how ugly this car is.

To be honest it looks alot more like an Altima, and looks much bigger.
I hate the way vehicles are trending............


Garbage

but give me the engine

i wouldnt necessarly say that going turbo is trendy. its just that now the common man can afford them, and there has been quite a bit of research and testing done on the qr25de now. thats what i believe it comes down to.

i mean, when you saw the first ever turboed k24 acure rsx, you think it was cheap? that kit was pure custom. no engine managment readily availible and things of that sort. now we know how far the engine can go.

speaking of everyone going turbo on the specs...
there is 2 people that i can think of that supoercharged their specs. its different, more expensive as more turbo research has gone in, but the possiblitys are still there.

rowen im going to be a little nicer than slideways but i think you come to us from the honda forums and correct me if im wrong, but with the new internals, they basicly did everything that JWT would do to your car, the rev limit is higher at 7200rpm and all, you wont need block sleeves, or anything else, with forged innards and higher rev limit you could supercharge it and run about 15-20lbs of boost and make more power than that car could put to the track, also you could spray higher than a 50 shot if you wanted to, all in all the new redesign has promise all in itself, you wouldnt need to do much but add a FI method and some nitrous, then invest in your tires/ suspension ect because youre going to need it, you can talk about sleeving an open deck block but come on, its FWD

Your somewhat right. I used to have a honda. I used to post on here all the time and everything but forgot my account information. I've pushed both a prelude and a civic before deciding that i deserved better. I post in the civic forums now only toward inquiries with my brother, cause he still has a civic. I guess my whole thing is that i look to get more out of my engine. To me i want it built to hold or handle anything as a daily driver. I drive alot, and where as the gas doesn't bother me as much, if i had to rebuild the engine every year that would. Thats the only reason i would sleeve. I always hear so many flaws about the qr25, but i hear praise. I personally love my car, but there is so much that can be done to make this car better. My car not being paid off yet prevents me from ripping into it. I just really like to explore all aspects before i decided to do something, and this would be a big project. I'm a family man, and sprimary supporter so i get limited sometimes to the money i have to work with. I just don't want to have to do it twice. Thats all. So i do welcome any constructive criticisms.

Thats how you pick things up. With open discussion and understanding. I don't come here with as much experience as some of everyone else does so i learn. Even when people are ragging on me.

yeah its cool, but the 02-06 qr is pretty weak and needs rods and some milling work on the crank for wider bearings, after that it holds up pretty well with the exception of the head gasket, you only need to build the block if you want more than 300hp out of it safely

Hey i can appreciate that. If i did something with the engine, i would expect to pull 300 WHP out of it. Only problem i'm going to find with this though would be the fact that front wheel hops like crazy. I'll need to find something to do about this though. It will be a long process. I figure i'll prolly just pull this engine at 130k and rip it apart to do that.

motor mount inserts kill all that hop instantly, for about 50 bucks

what kind of nissan?

06 Spec V. My friend had a 98 Altima SE and we both loved that car (although my Escort ZX2 gave it a good run for it's money). This car is the largest impulse buy I've ever had. Well, it's actually the most expensive thing I've ever purchased.

How reliable is the QR without talking 300 whp? For example, I have the BSR, CIA, and soon to have a header and underdrive crank pulley. How reliable is my 2.5 with 82k miles on it? I don't drive it like a grandma, but I don't give it hell all the time, either.

Fully bolted how long could you expect these engines to last?

I know you can't really expect reliability and durability out of these engines with what everyone says, but i'm hearing that these engines will actually last a while. Being bigger they really aren't taking as much abuse as everyone says they are.

Taking care of it is a high priority.

Check around. I've heard they can live like a honda engine. Maintenance Maintenance Maintenance

agreed. you can think of the qr as like a chrysler engine. treat it like high priority, all maintaince done on time, the whole 9 yards. it'll live forever.

yeah mine is fine at 35k, except the cluth, but i actually killed the hell out of a friend of mine last night, he swapped in a ported and polished b16a with cams and ecu and all into his civic and he wanted to run, so i walk him by about 2 cars from 45 and then we go from a dig and the clutch slip actually helped me off the line, the tires spun for like a second and then caught and my bro almost broke his neck looking back to see where my friend was still spinning his tires, by 3rd gear i hit 75 and had him by a full 4 cars and he wasnt gaining any ground at all, all in all the best launch ive ever had in that car, id say about a 2.0 60ft time or so and even though his launch sucked he still didnt gain any ground at any time, its been a while since ive pounded a civic and it felt good, hes sepnt about 3k more on mods than i have......lol

eh... I like turbos, but I just hate the fact that EVERYONE goes turbo anymore. No doubt it's a great mod... but it's just so freaking trendy. I guess it would be neat to have the first turbod spec... power wise. Cosmetically, it would suck ass.

trendy lol? that's like saying having a piston engine is trendy so you go buy a rotary...that makes no sense...

if it's the best way to add power then that's what people choose. superchargers quite often offer more low end power, but a properly sized turbo with make more power with less boost. you could try going high-compression...oh wait, muscle car guys have been doing that for like 50 years so I guess that's too trendy...

god damn...i guess ill have to buy one of those electric superchargers, 2 psi boost would be m4d tyte y0...gotta be different, just like everyone else

to me, whatever looks good to me and whatever makes more power the cheapest and most reliable way is what i do to my car...i dont care if 5 people have the mod or 5 million...hell, if the car look the way i wanted and performed the way i wanted it to from the factory i wouldnt touch a thing. mucking around and moded the car just to be different is like wishing you have a second asshole...it makes no sense...now if you wanted a second penis i could understand since it would actually be worth something (2 girls!!) lmao...but seriously though its being different really wont get you anywhere...if you wanted to be so different why did you even buy a car that so many people have, you should have just built an electric supercharged unicycle just so no one drives the same thing as you...

/end rant

I love how people get so easily offended over another's opinion. Why not go with the VQ swap which is more original FOR THE SPEC V. In my opinion it has much more potential in the long run seeing as how you can go turbo on the VQ later. Take a deep breath and relax before replying, pease.

Well me personally i'm just a 4 banger kind of guy. that's my personal preference.

um, for the vq spec, you have to actually ship the car out to travis, or pay for him to come to you, with his brackets and everything. he is no longer selling kits to swap in the vq.

thats at least 6k right there. his labor, the engine, and all the custom wiring and all. and if im not mistaken, he has a 1+ yr waiting list or something like that.

not if you know him....... *winks* the swap can be performed by yourself if you know what youre doing, ie i could buy the swap kit for $995 on his website and have myself a little swap provided i could source a vq motor

the wiring takes like 6 days though

...now if you wanted a second penis i could understand since it would actually be worth something (2 girls!!)

/end rant


or you could give one girl one hell of a shocker.........:evillol:

if you guys want to hear something really dumb ive got a little project ive been eyeballing ever since i found out my dad has a friend who does machining/casting/forging work..........picture a custom cast qr block with a 14:1 compression ratio running 40psi @ 8500rpm and high duration cams, id put it in a 240sx just to make slideways' balls twinge, every part would have to be custom built to original specs with a little tweaking for the block/head/crank totally new pistons and rods bearings the works, but when your boy makes them in his shop it tends to be cheaper, esp when you can pay in beer ect........

dont know if i would have the time/money and or patience to pursue that but how freakin cool would it be, possible yes, expensive, no doubt

By the time I were to build my QR to where I would be comfortable with going turbo, and then slapping it on, I would be spending at least 6k anyway. There is no way in hell with stock internals and 82k miles I would turbo my 2.5. I plan on spending around that much and having a local performance shop do it for me. I do not trust myself with a project like that. I try to do things myself whenever possible, but when I spent 4 hours putting on my Nismo coilovers this weekend, after all of the little problems my friend and I ran into, there is no way I want to give myself a VQ headache... or my friends for that matter. I love 4 cylinders as well, but the VQ in a spec v is my wet dream. It just sounds amazing.