Prelude V.S. Celica GT-S

Im lookin for a new car, and i was just wondering your thoughts on the subject.....thanks

What are you comparing? Speed? Look? Handling? Price?

Everything.
The whole package, but mostly things you can only know by owning them....the way they handle, the way they react in different situations, any problems they have, and some of the great things about em.....I mean price and options i know they're on the web site but just like the little things in the car that piss you off, or say wow i love this car....

Speed~ Celica GT-S because of weight advantage.
Look~ This is subjective I hate both headlights.
Handling~ Tie because both handles great.
Price~ Celica
Interior room~ Prelude
Interior design~ Celica
City Driving~ Prelude
Aftermarket~ Prelude but Celica catching on

If you want more detail information, I know some but I don't own both car. Although I had extensive experience with it. I am not qualify enough to judge it.

In my personal opinion i would take the celica GTS just becuse i love the celicas, but i would not be disapointed in owning a prelude. The prelude is more of a classy car. If you dont mind loseing interior room and having more expensive parts take the Celica GTS. Just my thougts.

i think the prelude is better handling, and i think it has a better engine too
but they're really close, it would be a tough choice for me

I don't know details about the cars though, sorry :)

I'd much rather go for a new RSX though... they're about the same price

The celica is different from everthing out there. The body kits go so
hard for this car. That car is made way better than the prelude. Also
the new VVTL-I Engine is better than the VTEC. Now the Acura GSX-type s is another story. They almost have the same shape. I'd go with
the celica.:D

you mean Acura RSX... not GSX
the RSX i-vtec engine is way better than the vvtl-i

plus the RSX comes standard with leather, heated seats, bose sound system.... plus A 6-SPEED!!!!!
i think it's the choice to go with, but that's just my opinion

I don't know about tha heated leather. The celica GTS comes with leather too. They both have the same stuff inside. RSX type S is faster
though. Toyota should have put 200hp in da celica so there is something
to run against the RSX. WRX would woop both they asses.

The GT-S also has a speed just like the RSX....

doesn't the GTS have a 5-speed? the RSX has a 6-speed!!

i think when the RSX type-R comes out it's gunna be as fast or faster than the WRX... cause the Type-S is, i think as fast as the last gen type-r so they gotta improve even more on the Type-R...

No the Toyota Celica GT has a 5 speed, the GT-S has a 6 speed.....
And the RSX-R is going to have 220 bhp out of the front wheels...where as the WRX has 227 coming out of all four. I just got the new C/D and the WRX looks very hard to beat. it may not have all the class and pizzaz of the Acura but i think it would take the RSX

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i think that if toyota comes out with the 4000 GT with 460 hp plus, the RSX type R would stand no chance..... but if u talking about the cellica gt-s and the prelude... i think u should take the cellica gt-s because my brother had a cellica gt and we beat a prelude and it had some mod. on the prelude and my brother's cellica was only a GT and it's stock.... but if anyone has a pic of toyota's 4000 GT please send me one... thanx :flash:

Originally posted by moe182
No the Toyota Celica GT has a 5 speed, the GT-S has a 6 speed.....
And the RSX-R is going to have 220 bhp out of the front wheels...where as the WRX has 227 coming out of all four. I just got the new C/D and the WRX looks very hard to beat. it may not have all the class and pizzaz of the Acura but i think it would take the RSX

I think the RSX type-R is going to have much more than 220hp, because the Type-S has 200hp..... I also remember reading somewhere that it's goin to have around 250hp or 240hp

I don't know about 240. Probably about 220. A CELICA GT cannot
beat a prelude. GTS maybe but not the GT. Sorry. Only 140hp

Celica GT-S. In my mind, no question. The Celica is an amazing handler, and goes pretty fast too. THe prelude sucks.

GT-S.

The current Prelude is part of Honda's former generation of design. The new Civics and Acuras start up their new era, with distinct corporate designs and platforms. The Prelude will not be included for this future and will ultimately be replaced by the RS-X, since it was interfering Integra sales in the past. Do you really want a discontinued, failed car?

On the other hand, the Celica has a bright strong future with new ideals in mind, moving away from the heavy-bodied sports coupe design for a more cart-like appeal, brought to popularity by the Integra. The current Celica IS the leading edge front-runner of Toyota's next generation of automobiles, whilst the Prelude wastes away at the trailing edge of its firm.

With both cars in comparison, power readings show that the GT-S is obviously not on par with the Prelude's torque, but that is simply because of the much smaller displacement size. You shouldn't really even compare the GT-S's power to the RS-X's for that matter with the 1.8 and 2.0 liter respective displacements. Remember that the Integra GSR was a 1.8 and produced similar power ratings to the current GT-S. If the Toyota received a 0.2 liter bump, you could really call them clones. But going back to the Prelude, it's obvious that the previous generation VTEC engine doesn't produce as good a number for the hp:liter ratio as the VVTL-i 2ZZ-GE does, or even the new i-VTECs.

By the way, the i-VTEC is not WAY better than the VVTL-i. They are virtually identical. Read comparisons in aftermarket publications for more details (they've done it in just about every single rag so far). But of course, this is the PRELUDE vs. Celica GT-S, NOT the RS-X Type-S vs. Celica GT-S.

My 2 cents.

VTEC was able to extract 195hp out of 1.8L B18C. VVTL-i able to extract 180hp out of 1.8L 2ZZ-GE engine. Both have very similar powerband. VVTL-i was more advanced than VTEC. VVTL-i have infinite variable cam phasing etc. But the trade off was not as much top end gain as 3 stage VTEC. i-VTEC is more advanced than VVTL-i because it now has the added feature of VTC.

Personally I wouldn't call Prelude a failed car. It is a excellent product by all means. It only fail in the business end. Honda was unable to keep cost of production down because Prelude doesn't share many parts with other Honda/Acura. It uses a chassis on it's own.

from my experience with these cars, I think the prelude handles better than the Celica IMO

The B18C you mention is a factory modified limited production powerplant for a limited production vehicle. The 2ZZ-GE is not. For a comparison like that, refer to the 200 hp motor used in the Celica TRD Sports M. Each company has its own mechanics and none can be labeled as 'better than the other' since they all work to a different goal. However, the end result is singular: Power.

When I mean 'failed', I DO mean business-wise. The business end is an important factor. You can trust that the current Celica's following will grow in the future, assuring available parts and future development. Sure the Prelude has a great backing right now, but it will be left behind (especially with the RS-X coming out) down the road.

Another reason supporting the GT-S:
It's a refreshing NEW design spawned from the new age-like Calty with futuristic aims to lead this market. The Celica hasn't even been out that long and I see far more of them on the road than the total number of current Preludes combined, speaking a hint of its growing popularity. The Preludes feel a little dated, inside and out.

I was strictly mentioning the engines offered here. If you decide to go JDM then you might as well look at the JDM ITR engine. I see a lot of Celica as well. The exterior is hate it or love it like Prelude. But I don't see enough Celica to surpass Prelude's total number. There are just far too many Prelude in Canada. From the spy of future Celica. It looks much like a mercury cougar. Heck even the Altezza is getting a re-design soon in Japan and the result looks unpromising. Look too much like Skyline/G35 to me. The future styling of Toyota/Lexus is in question. Prelude does feel dated but what can you expect? It's been on the market since 1997 without change. Celica only came out in 2000 by the way.

yeah there are TONS of preludes in canada.... like half as many as (new Gen) Accords... that's alot

I rarely see a Prelude or a Celica, but I see more Celicas than Preludes.

Celica's are more unique. Styling is ain't no joke. Might have to save up
for one.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Chris
I rarely see a Prelude or a Celica, but I see more Celicas than Preludes.

not where i live... there are tons

gang$tarr, where do you live?? K-W??? Kingston??? Windsor??? KaWarthas???

look at location under my name :D

Kitchener - Waterloo
a.k.a.
K-W

Cool, that is about 2 hours from me. I might go there for University. Small (cyber) world.

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
The Preludes feel a little dated, inside and out. Funny you should say that, because overall I prefer cars from the early '90s over cars from the past half decade. I guess I like "dated." ;)

Is it true that the Prelude is going to be discontinued very soon like within a year or two?

I believe this is its last year, next year at this time there will be no more of them.

The type of car I want is one that makes me feel at one with the machine. Driving it flat-out would help to. Thats why I want a mini. Or a fiat 500, or a triumph spitfire Mk. III.

I didn't feel like reading back in da thread soooooooooooo a stock celica gts can beat a stock prelude due to hp/weight ratio?:bloated: :buck

Prelude is discontinued for 2002. The suppose model life runs till 2003. So a new model might come out to revived the name in 2004.

Originally posted by F20C
Prelude is discontinued for 2002. The suppose model life runs till 2003. So a new model might come out to revived the name in 2004.
gonna reply to my post?

I heard that the prelude was out, because it competed too much with the RSX....so they're just keepin the RSX. But i may be wrong....

Originally posted by Mrcoilover

gonna reply to my post?

Sure why not. Celica GT-S will be faster than Prelude Type SH because of weight advantage. Which translate to better hp/weight ratio like you said. Engine needs to work less to move the parts.

Originally posted by moe182
I heard that the prelude was out, because it competed too much with the RSX....so they're just keepin the RSX. But i may be wrong....

Most Honda/Acura cars runs off 2 main platform. Civic and Accord Platform but Prelude doesn't run off those 2. Prelude have always been Honda's main sportscar until S2000 arrive. Honda wasn't able to lower the production cost that's why it was cut. The market had plenty of similar performance and better equipped cars for less.

Right. One was the XYR production design, aka Celica.

]Originally posted by Silver S2000
Funny you should say that, because overall I prefer cars from the early '90s over cars from the past half decade. I guess I like "dated."

Hey, SAME HERE; you see, we are talking about late, not early '90s. I love everything '92 and under, but we all know about the sudden reproduction of SUVs during the latter half of the decade, along with the death of a number of venerable sports/sporty cars. In fact, this period of time reinforced the used car market, allowing many of us to trust the unimaginable. Oh well, at least good new cars are lined up for sales now. However, I still think the most recent generation of the Prelude feels dated... it was conceived during this sports car drought, and will die, now that its over. The Celica was one of the first to lead the troop of next generation models, and I can respect that.

Originally posted by F20C


Sure why not. Celica GT-S will be faster than Prelude Type SH because of weight advantage. Which translate to better hp/weight ratio like you said. Engine needs to work less to move the parts.

thanks dawg. damn, I need to get one. Would get a RSX, but don't have tha cheese for a new one. I can get a used celica gts alot easier and plus I like toyotas-made very well.

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
Hey, SAME HERE; you see, we are talking about late, not early '90s. I love everything '92 and under, but we all know about the sudden reproduction of SUVs during the latter half of the decade, along with the death of a number of venerable sports/sporty cars. You know what? I apologize, I took what you said out of context. I think I misinterpreted the scope of the comparison you were making. So, nevermind, almost... ;)

BTW, my cutoff year is '95. I like the 4th gen Prelude best. :D Not to mention the 240SX, MR2, Supra, 3000GT, del Sol, etc. from about that year... :)

Gotta agree with you on the fourth gen Prelude. I like it even better than the current model.

Originally posted by moe182
No the Toyota Celica GT has a 5 speed, the GT-S has a 6 speed.....
And the RSX-R is going to have 220 bhp out of the front wheels...where as the WRX has 227 coming out of all four. I just got the new C/D and the WRX looks very hard to beat. it may not have all the class and pizzaz of the Acura but i think it would take the RSX

got to www.j-cars.net

The new alltrac turbo will kill a RSX-R and WRX anytime, anyday, 24/7

500 HP@8000 RPM... forgot the torque...

Originally posted by pigeon xiong
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i think that if toyota comes out with the 4000 GT with 460 hp plus, the RSX type R would stand no chance..... but if u talking about the cellica gt-s and the prelude... i think u should take the cellica gt-s because my brother had a cellica gt and we beat a prelude and it had some mod. on the prelude and my brother's cellica was only a GT and it's stock.... but if anyone has a pic of toyota's 4000 GT please send me one... thanx :flash:

220...and i read somewhere that there's a chance the RSX-R will be lower to only 200 HP like the type S..if so..it will suck....

Originally posted by Miltown_Racer


220...and i read somewhere that there's a chance the RSX-R will be lower to only 200 HP like the type S..if so..it will suck....

obviously that can't be true b/c the type S already has 200hp. They wouldn't make the same performance. People wouldn't pay more just for a different letter after the RSX emblem.

18k miles is basically new anyway.. good call, you just saved yourself some money

TRU DAT. I hopefully will be getting one soon too. I thought it would be around 18k for a used one. Not paying 25k for a new one. There made so damn good that I don't care if it has some miles on it.

you're quoting the wrong quotes man

VVTL-i and i-VTEC are essentially the same exact thing.
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/lancia/58/technical_school/engine/vvt_1.htm

Go there are read up before you make assumptions about things you have only heard from friends. What makes the RSX have more horse power is simply the larger displacement, nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by Miltown_Racer


220...and i read somewhere that there's a chance the RSX-R will be lower to only 200 HP like the type S..if so..it will suck....

Just exactly who did you hear this from? I think you are getting the Austrailian Integra Type R mixup with the coming RSX Type R. The Aussie version is everything JDM except the engine which is the same as RSX Type S.

Originally posted by Da Kine Guy
VVTL-i and i-VTEC are essentially the same exact thing.
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/lancia/58/technical_school/engine/vvt_1.htm

Go there are read up before you make assumptions about things you have only heard from friends. What makes the RSX have more horse power is simply the larger displacement, nothing more, nothing less.

Actually they are not the same exact thing.

VVTL-i works on both intake and exhuast side. i-VTEC's VTC only works on intake side so far.

I actually did read that in the article for the link I posted, I just didn't mention it. What I was trying to bring out is that the two technologies are extremely similar and neither has a distinct advantage over the other. Also, judging by the 100hp/liter they also seem to perform equally well. Another thing is that both "lift" at 6000RPM, which leads me to believe the cam lobe designs of the two cars to also be very closely matched. I'd love to have a 2.0 liter VVTL-i engine to compare them though, that would bring them both to even ground letting you compare i-VTEC to VVTL-i much better (and I hope it can be fitted into a new Celica:D )

All VVT work for the same goal. Just how they accomplished that goal is different that's all.

Where do you guys find out all your information... car and driver?

Read this (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=162405) and do not bring back ancient threads. Closed