Ford SVT Focus

Did anyone read the article on this in Car and Driver...Its gonna be pretty fast stock with a 0-70 of about 7.0 seconds...Woohoo another car to add to my kill list..

I really don't like the look of Focuses, including the SVT Focus, but the added power will be nice. Stock focuses are too slow.

Yeah i'm not saying i like focuses either...but these new SVTs will be quite the sleeper...especially since i have such little respect for them when they rev at me.

Originally posted by justin@af
Yeah i'm not saying i like focuses either...but these new SVTs will be quite the sleeper...especially since i have such little respect for them when they rev at me.

Well just wait for the New Sentra SE-R if you want to talk sleeper. BTW shouldn't it be Focii?

have you guys read about em though?
they have motors built by cosworth.. thas quality shit there... and it has more tq than the civic... not bad at all

I like the FR200 more:D

but the fr200 cost like 300k... vs the svt, @ 18k...
and the svt looks better than that thing by a long shot... and with all the money you save, you could by six turbos to put on it...

Cosworth didn't build the motor for the SVT Focus. It's just a worked-over zx3 engine with different pistons, variable intake timing on the camshaft, new catalyst system, dual stage intake manifold and a few other touches. it also has the Getrag 6-speed tranny.

If Cosworth would have had anything to do with this car, I'd actualy buy one. The Cosworth Focus concept car was definately worth making.

Unless Ford offers the SVT Focus with a turbo, or a dealership would be willing to sell me one with a turbo, different body kit, different wheels, etc, they won't get a second look from me.

to Justin:
You want to add the SVT Focus to your 'kill list'? Why? Is it even worth it? You drive a much better car. it doesn't seem worth the time to me. Anyone driving a Focus who wanted to race you would be wasting their time and yours. It's like when people in accords and civics try to race my Lightning. Why even bother? Geez.. some people's kids.. Oh well, maybe you can put them in their places...

actually, they are made by cosworth.
it was on the news section of overboost.com, and it isnt there now. it got moved off the news section.
i wouldnt say that shit if it wasnt true.
and yeah, it is a worked over motor. wow. that sounds like all sortsa cars. no biggie there. but cosworth is doing the motors.
ill find it if you must see that i am not full of shit.
oh ye of li'l faith.
:licker:

Well, if that's true, I want to see it, because NO, I don't believe it.

I'll give the SVT focus some credit. It's going to get some horsepower help to boost it up to 170 (I read that much of that would come from head porting/combustion chamber enhancements). It will be a competitor for many of Honda's VTEC cars. And the Focus looks like much more a serious competitor thatn some of the other challengers have proved to be. Ford is serious.

u dont believe well heres the link right off of fords own website.


http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=7675

designed by sve and cosworth.

Well, looks like someone has been proven wrong.:huh::hehe:

Yep, I was wrong (damn! I hate being wrong!!). I read it myself. Way to go Ford!

Wow!

hate to say i told you so... but hey... i usually dont err too much when i say shiet...
badass car, no?
:licker:

The SVT focus looks pretty cool, but it's kinda slow 0-60 in 7.2, I would rather get a GTI in this price range

7.2 is not slow... look at what other cars in that range run... what does a lude or si run or an integra? similar to say the least...

all the times are best guesses by the mags b/c ford wont let the number come out untill the car goes onsale

however dyno reports are out
SVT focus 170(fy)
147at the wheels 14%loss

where the SE-R SpecV only puts down 141hp but produecs 5more at the flywheel20%loss


I think this car is gonna be very fast for what it is


and Jackson Racing has already made a supercharger for it, flywheel hp for that should be around 230-250

Originally posted by NissanZ@af
I really don't like the look of Focuses, including the SVT Focus, but the added power will be nice. Stock focuses are too slow.
What and a 1994 Celica ST (savings trim) is any better? The SVT Focus is going to rock the house when it comes out. GTi...Ha!!! Not for less than $19,500 you won't. JMO:D

I think you guys will like too know that the SVT foci will do high 6's in the 1/4

in the 1/4 what? street?
an svt focus could do high 6 0-60...
and the gti point is important...
you cant get one for less than 20ish.. the way you want it...

but the svt will be 18ish... with a 6 spd and stock 17s

Wow I cant believe I said 1/4 that was really stupid............... I was tired that day............


-Zach

C&D Hot hatch test results, gotta love the SVT :D

SI= 16.2 @86mph, .84g, 204ft 70-0braking.
SVT= 16.1 @87mph .91G, 170ft 70-0braking.
GTI= 15.3@94mph, .86g, 177ft 70-0braking.

Overall
GTI =third
SI =second
SVT = first

GTI= Lows-Too much torque for the all season tires to handle, rubbery shifter, suffers from some floppy body roll.
Highs- Quickest by far, excellent build quality, richest interior.

SI= Lows-All right, who put these insight tires on our SI? Where's the high revving VTEC fury? Guppy Styling.

High- Shifter looks likee a bent nail but works brilliantly, engine is as smooth as they come, wonderful seats, more stable than your aunt Mabel.

SVT=High-Stellar chasis tuning, appropriately powerful engine, a 6th gear, growling exhaust note, subtly racy apperance.

Low- Noise, vibbration and harshness.


Price
SVTbase-$17,995 topspeed 135mph
SIbase-$19,000 (est) topspeed 125mph
GTI-$19,460 topspeed 131mph(governed)

Good post....... saw that article, another car to think about in the same area, is going to be the Turbo or supercharged (cant remember which) Mini-Cooper......... wowsers, what a power to weight ratio

The SVT sounds like a good deal, but there is one thing that gets me. An open differential on a torquey FWD? Can anybody say inside wheelspin? Isn't it kind of strange that Ford co-develops a sophisticated twin-output shaft transmission with Getrag and leaves out the limited slip? I really wasn't planning on buying an SVT anyway, but I thought about sourcing its transmission. There aren't a lot of FWD 6 Speeds, afterall. Guess I'll stick to Nissan and steal an SE-Rs gearbox.

SVT/Cosworth says the car does not need one and all of the test drivers have had no problems with wheelspin

Originally posted by Holyterror
The SVT sounds like a good deal, but there is one thing that gets me. An open differential on a torquey FWD? Can anybody say inside wheelspin? Isn't it kind of strange that Ford co-develops a sophisticated twin-output shaft transmission with Getrag and leaves out the limited slip? I really wasn't planning on buying an SVT anyway, but I thought about sourcing its transmission. There aren't a lot of FWD 6 Speeds, afterall. Guess I'll stick to Nissan and steal an SE-Rs gearbox. I'm with you. There are of course many benefits besides just inside wheelspin to a limited slip differential - I should know, as I have a Quaife in my GS-R. I am suspicious that it may be a cost-saving move by Ford; but then again, they have done their homework and put in the hours with their suspension tuning for the SVT, thereby limiting the benefits of using a limited slip unit.

Maybe it really doesn't need one - but I know I'd certainly like one anyway.

in a recent scc issue, they installed a quaife in the focus they have, and it only cost 600 dollars, since the lsd is an option in europe now. so it is designed as a factory part... you may want to check out the issue, it is the one with the silvia wannabe on the cover... may or june i think

has anybody seen the competition package that may be coming out? They remove the back seat, add 10 horsepower, fully adjustable suspension, ect. go here (http://www.teamfocaljet.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=001219)

16.1? wow

The nissan spec V is a joke. It has been tested consistantly to put down anywhere from 130 something to 140 hp which is indicative of a car rated at 160-165. Nissan is gonna have to do better than that if they wanna step up to the plate. I do like that ford and Nissan are trying. its kinda cute:finger:

I guess i shouldnt generalize that statement. I like the SVT focus, and i think it will do wonders for Ford.

Another car that will be quite formidable will be the new Neon SRT4
I hate the looks of this car. It looks like a little yellow joke about imports, but it has 205hp, and a 5.9 sec 0-60. makes me wanna puke, looking at it though

Originally posted by kidrocket
The nissan spec V is a joke. It has been tested consistantly to put down anywhere from 130 something to 140 hp which is indicative of a car rated at 160-165. Nissan is gonna have to do better than that if they wanna step up to the plate.
Holyterror, defender of the Nissan faith, rushes to parry kidrocket's thrust, and...

Ouch. You're disappointed in the SE-R? You're not the only one. The Spec V and Focus SVT both lack a lot of straight line muscle. But then, who buys a FWD compact for drag racing? Oh yeah, Honda guys. But let's move back to a plane of reality where things make sense.

These cars are purpose-built. The SVT Focus screams "rally," while the Spec V says with a wry smile, "autocross, please." Even with the open differential (which some of us still care about), the Focus has got to be one of the best cars to thrash around a dirt road for under 20k. This thing is 6k less than the nearest WRX! What about the Sentra? Put a little money down, and what do you get? Take it to the skidpad, or any curvy stretch of tarmac, and expect to see the same numbers you got from your Integra Type R. And this thing has 4 doors.

I do think that it was a grave error on Nissan's part to put the QR25DE in the Spec V. It may have been a mistake to design the motor in the first place. Performance-minded people would skip over the 2.5 Altima anyway, so they could've continued using the KA24. The SE-R really deserves the VQ25DET that's going into the Stagea. The QR25DE abandons many of the principles that made Nissan motors great in the past. Make the crank turn counter-clockwise and it's a highly polished Honda motor. Even the most sleepy Nissan motors, in the past, could be transformed into some pretty mean chunks of metal just by adding a turbocharger (or a bigger turbocharger). I have long been an advocate of buying an F-Max turbo kit for a 240SX rather than trying to "go Silvia." But what if you take away the thick, sand cast block, you're looking at a very small plate of boost, with a side of detonation. Maybe someone should look into VTEC? :smoker2:

Psst. Hey Nissan. Can I get a little neo-VVL over here?

So the question is, will the QR25 stand up to moderate boost? If it will, then it's just the 240SX all over again. True, the number 6 cruising gear is sort of unbecoming of a car with such a low redline, but that's an issue for highway warriors, not auto-Xers or drag racers. And just keep thinking about those prices... yeah, they're nice.

I'm keeping my eye on the SRT4. I'm getting used to new cars being ugly.

Okay, I'm finished. Oh, this is a Focus thread? Ooops! :D

ouch.
hey youre right about new cars being ugly
new Civic Si anyone?

looks like a focus had sex with a minivan. no offense i like the focus' looks. But as for the nissans handling, The type R would outperform it on any road course. stock for stock anyway. But that is because it is basically a street legal race car. Honda even left out the sound insulation under the carpet to save an extra 20 pounds. makes for a very loud ride, but who cares about that in autoX? HOWEVER, any car with a little bit of cash, some new tires etc, can become a nice weekend warrior.

and as for the Focus, I only say that because upon the announcement of its arrival, all its worshippers were praising this little domestic compact that would compete with the likes of the Civic Si, Integra, Eclipse etc.
I dunno how many magazines ive read that introduce the focus by comparing it to the other compacts. But no way in hell would i put my civic against one in a rally race.

16.1 seems like a very small deficit, when you have a little cash to spend as well. a few mods will have itright in the fray with the best of them on the streets as well

I'm a big ser fan. It out performed all the cars so its my pic and for handleing i hear its hands down the best. I'd stick with that.

what are spec v skidpad and 60-0 times though?

the focus svt times are listed in a previous post at .91g and 170ft... how does that compare to the spec v, b/c i dont know...

and if you are going to autocross, dont you want an mp3, which has a higher slalom speed than a zo6, indicative of some great handling?

If you listen to the Ford enthusiasts and even some very biassed magazine writers the Ford Fucus SVT is the best handling car in the world!

These idiots are saying that this POS can out handle a Porche 911 and a Corvette Z06. Come on give me a fucking break!

Then there is all that wonderful Ford reliability! The Focus has 13 recalls to date. POS!

If anybody is thinking of this car, check out this URL.

http://www.autosafety.org/pressreleases/FordFocus.htm

Stay far, far, far from any vehicle brandishing a blue oval.

My 2 cents.

so when you get burned by an SVT focus, you can say "whew, im glad i didnt buy that car instead!"

The only people who will get burned by a Focus are those poor saps who get scammed into buying one by some very agressive marketing and some biased magazine articles.

I HAVE run an SVT Focus and smoked him.

Im sorry but no matter how you slice it, foci, civics and im sorry to inform you, your precious little spec V that ran like 16.2 but somehow has beaten all kinds of faster cars, are mediocre cars at best. 15 second quarter miles if we're lucky.:rolleyes:

spec v runs about 15.3-15.5 in a 1/4 mile

maybe if you drop it off a cliff. but even if god behind the wheel could pull off 15.3, ITS STILL 15.3!!!!


NOT FAST AT ALL!!!

Im sorry but no matter how you slice it, foci, civics and im sorry to inform you, your precious little spec V that ran like 16.2 but somehow has beaten all kinds of faster cars, are mediocre cars at best. 15 second quarter miles if we're lucky

Not sure what your problem is but did you ever hear me say that the specV is a "fast car"? No. What I said is that the SVT is a piece of shit with typical Ford quality. I know all the cars you mentioned are not fast. Hell some of them ain't even quick.

Oh, and just FYI the SpecV will run 14.9 in the 1/4. Still not fast but you really should get your facts straight.

kidrocket
i never said the spec is fast, a 800hp supra TT is fast,
just correcting on your wrong information,
calm down dude, it seems like you just wanna start something

depends on the 800 hp supra. Most Supras that make gobs of hp have bigass single turbos and put out insane horsepower numbers but from a stop can get burned by a car with half the horsepower. I wouldnt try to run one of those on the highway though. Im not saying youre wrong though. 800hp in anything is pretty fast no matter how long it takes to access.
And im not trying to start anything but it seems that The nissan brigade is, by dissing on fords, and by coming into the HONDA/ACURA forum and posting about how miraculous their little spec v is clobbering GSRs and the like. It seems like to you people, no matter what, if it isnt a spec v, its crap. I beg to differ:rolleyes:

We have our own review right here on AF :D

http://www.automotivearticles.com/get.php?action=getarticle&articleid=20

Fun car :) Thumbs up in my book

nah, it ain't nothing like that.... i'm a CAR enthusiast, not only a spec v enthusiast, i just love cars in general....it seemed to me that you were dissing focuses too, kidrocket...

besides that dude in the honda/acura forum that started the spec v vs. gsr thread owns an integra too, he's talkin from experience and he has ls vtec which is more powerful than gsr, i'm not sure if he's telling the truth or not, but you never know

i dont think i was dissing foci. If youll also look, i included my own car in my tyrade as well. :)

just opinionated about the looks of it, i read the rest of it wrong, mah bad

i like how the focus looks, especially with the svt blue color

It's kind of funny, Civic SI and Spec V owners going at it about their prospective cars, and me, a Focus SVT owner.... to be completely honest, the only two other cars i considered before i bought the SVT were the Spec V and the Civic SI (but not the new one, i think honda botched it for more than one reason).
I test drove each of the vehicles, and had friends let me drive each of theirs, and i think that each of the vehicles has different strengths and weaknesses in relation to each other, but the biggest thing is how SIMILAR the cars are; 1/4 mile times, skidpad, stopping distance, etc, are all close enough that the onle thing that will differentiate seeing one set of taillights or the other is A) aftermarket parts (where civics definitely have the advantage, i'm still looking for an SVT-exclusive EXHAUST and forced induction) and B) the DRIVER.

andrew

'02 pitch black svt w/ red
audiophile
tornado
9.907 1/8th mile @71.34 mph
15.347 1/4 mile @ 91.87 mph

yeah so alot of people have their info wrong... the only points i know for sure, is that, 1. when we test drove the SVT today, we got a quote for 15,090 (2002, brand new.) with 0 down. and that it's really pretty quick... :D i would definately take it over anything that says honda, for the sake of origionality, and i love the exhaust note... madd props for ford coming out with a car that competes with (and beats) alot of cars in it's class for less than 16,000.

2002 Ford Focus SVT w/ 5,000 miles on it only $$12,995 in my area. and yes its at a dealership no a private sale. pretty sweet if u ask me!

the focus svt is a 4 cyl i think.how much hp,ft-lbs of trq it has?

i got the svt contour, definately not impressed. I dont really like the lack of torque, but if you are interested mostly in the high end, it definately performs. Ive heard the svt focus is the same way. By the way, my contour is supercharged, and for sale.
Check it out.

http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=124471147&dealer_id=&car_year=2000&make=FORD&distance=10&max_price=&model=CONTOUR&end_year=2004&advcd_on=n&min_price=&address=93065&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1983&color=&cardist=0

yea the svt if pretty much a high end car. And a sweet handler. the spec v was my #1 choice before i got me car, and why i didnt get it ill never know.

I am a huge sr20 fan (se-R kinda guy). But only the classics. 91-94 se-rs and NX 2000s. The new se-r does and always will be a sorry excuse for the se-r. I know someone with a SVT focus and he ran a 15.3 with some mods. Do you guys know any places to find out about mods for the SVT? looking to disable egr, cam timing, etc? thanks

oh yeah if you know anyone that wants a 95 240 lemme know

I am a huge sr20 fan (se-R kinda guy). But only the classics. 91-94 se-rs and NX 2000s. The new se-r does and always will be a sorry excuse for the se-r. I know someone with a SVT focus and he ran a 15.3 with some mods. Do you guys know any places to find out about mods for the SVT? looking to disable egr, cam timing, etc? thanks
www.focaljet.com
they have a whole SVT subforum

oh and classic SE-R's :naughty:

Well I acquired a 2000 Ford Focus ZX3 it says SVT above the ZX3 . It has tuned headers and the underbody cat the rest I'm going to have to research. Problem is Ford did not have Cosworth build this engine till the 2002 model? If mines a fake they faked it good. I burned a '99 Mustang 3.8 liter 190 hp this morning in a staged race. Another odditie mine has an AUTOMATIC. According to the specs I've found this SVT either had a 5 or 6 speed? Anybody got any Ideas? It's probably not worth anything even if it's real, but I'd like to know if it is real AND if it is worth anything. I know this doesn't authinticate anything but it does have 150 (or is it 160 on the speedo) IT WILL HAUL the mail.