Mobile 1 Full Syn

What do you guys think of Mobile 1 Full Syn. I've been running full syn. (not Mobile 1) in my escort now forever; I believe with good results and changing the oil every 6K miles.

I did use Mobile 1 for my first oil change in my 05 Taurus. Is it worth the extra price. If I run it in my taurus how often would you change the oil? I don't make a lot of short trips.

Also It's coming up on 30K miles and I have to change the transmission fluid. What do you guys recommend I run in the transmission?

Thanks,

Joe

I have a UOA on my 2000 Duratec with Mobile 1 with over 7 thousand miles on it and they told me to run it to 8K. I justify the price by running it that long.

I also have always ran Mobil 1 Mercon V in my 2000 also

Mike
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Uoa?

Used Oil Analysis

Mike
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We bought a new 05 Marquis has 9K mi now and soon as it runs out of warranty I'm using WalMarts SuperTech 10-W30 full syn....

10W-30? Is that really what the manufacturer recommends? I would expect at most 5W-30, probably the 5W-20.

-Rod

Yeah, I've been quite impressed with Kuhmo tires (as you probably recall).

As for the oils, you may want to research using 10W-30 in the engines if 5W-20 is recommended. Modern engines are built with tighter tolerances than engines of years ago, the heavier oil may actually do more damage than good since it may not flow in the small spaces as well as the 20. Also, the 20 weight will help improve fuel economy by providing slightly less resistance to flowing.


-Rod

Check out Pennzoils Platinum. Many improvements over Mobil 1 and cost less too :iceslolan

I don't know whether it is any good or not.

I would not make my decision based on an advertisement which is what that basically is because the "article" is not in a trade magazine.


Mike
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It seems my post hit a nerve.

The point I was trying to make was that that whole article is obviously written by Pennzoil. It wasn't written by an independant source. That whole "magazine" is just a place manufacturers can write about their own products and make any claim they want. As far as it meeting specs yes it does and I am sure it does. Meeting a spec and outperforming another product that meets that spec is not the same thing.

If you read about some of the Pennzoil products on a well known Independant website you will find that they doesnt stand up so well against other products in certain circumstances.

Do you think Pennzoil is going to tell you of anything it doesnt match up against a competitor on?


Yes I do read ads and they do influence my purchases, Heck I have bought something based on an Advertisement and then been sorely disappointed in the product.

I wasnt saying that it wasnt a decent product, All I was saying was Pennzoil wrote that "article" and purchased and Advertisement in that "Magazine" about their product. Of course they are going to make all kinds of superiority claims. They want to sell product.

My point was I know what Mobil 1 is and how it performs based on UOA from an Independant laboratory.


Mike
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The point I was trying to make was that that whole article is obviously written by Pennzoil. It wasn't written by an independant source.
Well we don't know who wrote the article and assuming that Pennzoil did is just as bad as assuming that they didn't. If it's a independant source that you're looking for then I can tell you first hand that at first I too was a bit skeptical about all the claims, so I contacted a friend of mine who works for a independent company that makes oil additive chemicals for all of the oil companies. He was the one who first explained to me about how good Mobil 1 was. They test each oil formulation that is currently on the market. As soon as I mentioned the name of the product he got excited and started telling me all of these reasons why it was superior to all the other oils on the market. He gave me a list of reasons but two of them stood out in my mind. First; when Pennzoil Platinum is put in freezing conditions it does not get thick like maple syrup. It stays at the proper viscosity giving your engine better protection when it initially starts up (lots of wear when it first starts up which is why I use K&N filters). Secondly, and probably most important, it is the first oil ever tested where they found NO detectable engine wear when used. Pennzoil has many patents on this process. One of the most important things that you can do for your engine is to gaurd it against wear and tear. Now I'm sure that there was some 'micro minuscule' amount of wear, but it was so low that it was off their charts and undetectable. In fact if you go to their site they specifically mention not to add any oil additives to Pennzoil Platinum when used. This is because they don't want you to change the chemical composition of the oil. You would actually be degrading this particular oil by adding anything to it. Everyone that works with my friend has since switched to using Pennzoil Platinum exclusively. That says a lot to me. These guys do this for a living and this is the one that they prefer to use in their own vehicles. There were many other reasons why this new oil was superior but you can find them elsewhere. I don't want to write a book here or be accused of working for Pennzoil :lol: What you use in your car is totally up to you. I can only pass on what I've been told by him when they did their tested. I have also switched to using this product (it's only 18.00 for 5 qt. jug at Wal-Mart) and I can tell you that I am getting better performance and mileage. It was almost immediate. I will stick (no pun intended) with using this oil and you owe it to yourself to at least try it ;)

WOW! Good info there, nothing like hands on experience especially with friends like yours who work with lubricants, many thanks for giving us the heads up.
Glad to help. I've known him for over 35 years and he is a good man. If there was anything bad about the oil he would have been only too happy to tell me about it :p He's told me about some oils that only protect for a few thousand miles :eek: When he was so enthusiastic about this oil I already knew it was going to be good :)

it's only four bucks more than the WalMart SuperTech full syn oil.
There used to be a 15.00 rebate for this oil. I googled once and found it but then afterward I tried to find it again but couldn't. The rebate is good until the end of the year. I could post a screenshot of the coupon for the rebate but I don't think that will help you. If memory serves me right Pep Boys (or something like that) was the place that first offered it.

Thanks again for taking time to do all that typing because it was well worth the read time. :)
I've been helped many times in the past from forums such as this one and I'm just trying to give back and help those that help others. It's the people that make a forum as good as it is :grinyes:

Wow that's a really good price! About half of what Mobil 1 costs at Wal-Mart. Good deal :)

Here's an update. Talked with my buddy again and he said that Amsoil will last up to 12,000 miles in their stress tests. That's pretty darn good and WAY better than most ordinary oils! However Mobil 1 will lasts up to 18,000 miles, and at the rate it's going he says it looks like Pennzoil Platinum will go up to 22,000 miles! :eek: Pennzoil Platinum was recently 'improved' and I don't know if these readings are for the old style Platinum or the new Platinum, but off hand I'd say they were probably for the old, so the new should be even better :) I also learned something new as I didn't know that Mobil 1 contains Calcium :p These tests are not 'simulated' tests. They are actual tests on actual vehicles where they sample the oil every 1000 miles and then send it in to a laboratory for analysis. Given how much longer the synthetic oils lasts, I'd say that the dino 'bargain oils' actually costs more :wink:

Veddy interest-stink. I read a test where they ran Mobil 1 for 5K mi then just changed the filter and added oil to bring it up to full mark, then ran it another 5K and it didn't lose any lubricating properties. With a good filter oil could last a long, long time, but having a good filter would be the key.

My Jr year in high school 1957 our chemistry teacher Professor Downs taught about oil and said under normal operating conditions engine oil would never wear out, just get dirty. Neat old gentleman and had a cool old 49 Ford coupe stick shift with gosh knows how many miles on it. Instead of changing his oil he put it in a centrifuge and spun out the dirt and re-used the oil and of course a new filter. Filling stations sold re-claimed used oil run through a elaborate filtering system and it was like 25 cents a quart.

Does anyone remember the reclaimed oil bottles with the metal screw off cap with the funnel on it? They sat in a wire rack with a handle on it sort'a like milk bottles and they had a 50 gal drum of reclaimed oil to refill the bottles and sat them by the gas pumps. While the attendant was pumping the gas he cleaned your windshield and checked the oil while we listened to Chuck Bery sing, "Roll Over Beethoven." The really good full service stations, he did that plus checked the air in the tires and cleaned the lights back and front and rear window and mirrors. All that and we'd get $2.00 worth of gas.

We don't drive under harsh conditions and I feel certain we could go 6K between changes, but considering the cost of an engine vs cost of an oil and filter change every 5K miles, . . . 'prolly go with changing at 5K intervals.

Ford dealer here has a good deal where you pay $30. for the first change and bring your receipt and next one is free, so $15. for an oil & filter change and they wil roatae tires for $10. That MotoCraft synthetic blend is darn good oil and using the WalMart full syn oil & their filter it would cost me $15.00 to DIY plus the mess and hassel then disposing of the old oil.

Dad use to say, "There's more than one way to skin a rabbit and you have to decide which is right for you."

With a good filter oil could last a long, long time, but having a good filter would be the key.
Yes I don't think they changed the filter until around 12K because it was still good. It obviously wasn't a Fram filter. He told me a long time ago to not use those anymore. I think they stop working around 1000 miles because they use cardboard inside :rolleyes: I use only K&N filters but he said that Napa filters are supposed to be good too. There is a marriage between oil and filter, and the general rule is the better the oil is, the longer the filter will last :)

I researched Super Tech filters and I liked what I saw so I use them, good discussion here: http://www.noria.com/message_boards/message_details_by_list.asp?foldername=Super+Tech+ oil+filters&messagenumber=1

More info than you will ever need here and you can learn a lot and I bet you will never put additives in your oil again. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

I'll jump in on this topic. I have been running Mobil 1 5w/30 in both my Fords ('99 Taurus 24v and 01' Windstar) and recently swtiched to Pennzoil Platinum only because of price. I also have run UOA's on both. I change oil on a six month (Dec and June) rotation only because of the climate and driving conditions the vehicles experience.

Thanks for sharing road_rascal. "I change oil on a six month (Dec and June) rotation only because of the climate and driving conditions the vehicles experience." Yup, I can dig it because I live 15 miles from the ocean near Savannah, GA and summers it get hot as hades here and humidity 90% or better most of the summer time. Winters don't get much freezing cold but humidity still high. We only put 8K mi a year on both vehicles but I don't like the idea of building up acids and micro impurities that the filter can't remove so I'm on your side and 6 mos is good enough.

I read an article that said most folks store their mower and power equipment for the winter without changing the oil, then change it in the spring when they bring it out of hibernation. According to the article, because of acids built up in the oil you should change it BEFORE storing or with no oil in it.

Another thing with our Marquis, it makes a 3 mile trip to work then shuts off, then goes for lunch then shuts off then drives 3 miles home and shuts off. Engine never gets a chance to heat up and burn out moisture from the oil so every two weeks or so I take it out for a 10 mile ride to get it hot and burn the water out of the mufler and exhaust. My Taurus is on the road a good bit, short hops but long enough to get the engine good and hot plus I stick it in passing gear and keep that screaming Vulcan blown out. :bananasmi