2002 Maxima 6-speed VS 2006 V6 Mustang

No time to get elaborate, since I am posting from work, but after I let him get the hit, with me steady at 80mph, gassed it in 4th just as he was next to me (and accelerating), and I got up to 120, with him about 4 cars behind.

The newest V6 'Stang is still a 14-second car, so I guess not too shabby.

nice kill I guess.....but 14s....not sure on that one...I track race alot and I havent seen them in 14s.....the 8s yes but the 6s no....

nice kill I guess.....but 14s....not sure on that one...I track race alot and I havent seen them in 14s.....the 8s yes but the 6s no....

http://www.modernracer.com/fordmustangv6.html

Base price : $19,250

Engine : V6, SOHC, front engine RWD
Displacement : 4,009 cc
Valve : 12 valves, 2 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual, 5-spd automatic
Fuel economy : city - 19 mpg
highway - 25-28 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Live three-link axle
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs

Horsepower : 210 hp @ 5300 rpm
Torque : 240 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Redline : 6100 rpm

Top speed : 113 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 6.6 sec.(manual), 6.9 sec.(auto)
0-¼ mile : 15.0 sec @ 92.1 mph(manual), 15.3 sec @ 91.0 mph(auto)
60-0 braking distance : 130 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.79 g

Curb Weight : 3352-3444 lbs
Overall length : 188.0 in.
Wheelbase : 107.1 in.
Overall Width : 73.9 in.
Height : 55.4 in


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I guess I blew him in the dust in so short a span because of his limiter. Limited to 113? Jeesh.

VQ > V6......its in the obvious....but most of the 6s I see run mid 15...I dont know its a v6 mustang for gods sake....

yeah I did that to a 06 v6 stang in the jetta, I got to 120 and it seemed like he stood still cause of the limiter. On top of that they are cows, they are a low 15 sec car. If they would shed about 500 pounds they would be into the 14's.

Check out this one: http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-8393.html

Check out this one: http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-8393.html

Thats a pretty sick V6

I have heard of the 06 V6 Stangs running in the 14's. Nice kill. :thumbsup:

Good kill on the commuter stang. I don't think most people buy the V6 stang for performance. They typically just buy it for the looks.

i guess the new ones are limited at 113 or so. my friends friend had/has one a v6, and it held out to about 124 or so, then was limited. idk maybe his was different. nice stomp on the stang though.

good kill

i just don't get why ford can't make a decent v6. a 4.0L and it only makes 210 hp? the 3.0L in my 2000 maxima makes more power than that. it's not even making any more power than the old POS 3.8L V6 Ford was using. there's no replacement for displacement, my ass.

good kill

i just don't get why ford can't make a decent v6. a 4.0L and it only makes 210 hp? the 3.0L in my 2000 maxima makes more power than that. it's not even making any more power than the old POS 3.8L V6 Ford was using. there's no replacement for displacement, my ass.

No that's just Ford in general. I mean they also don't make engines that have power throughout the rpm band. The GT500 is making 500hp, but it gets dusted by the 400hp C6 vette.

Ford does make good motors. I don't know why but a taurus could be bought with a 3.0 200 HP v6 for the last 10 years almost, yet the mustangs 6 sported dismal numbers. They are coming out with a new 3.5 liter with 260 or something HP. That should be nice if it makes it into the mustang. Also the GT500 can be edged out by the C6 (hardly dusted).....but not because of any shortage of power.

No that's just Ford in general. I mean they also don't make engines that have power throughout the rpm band. The GT500 is making 500hp, but it gets dusted by the 400hp C6 vette.

Thats a factor of the weight discrepancy between them

good kill

i just don't get why ford can't make a decent v6. a 4.0L and it only makes 210 hp? the 3.0L in my 2000 maxima makes more power than that. it's not even making any more power than the old POS 3.8L V6 Ford was using. there's no replacement for displacement, my ass.

i really dont understand why people cant get this. its marketing! they dont want the v6 making 300hp... cause guess what, thats where the GT is. also having the bigger engine, gives it a better lowend, which makes the car feel sportier. oh yeah, ford's 3.0 makes 221hp in the fusion, and has been making 200+hp for years. also, they already had the 4.0l engine (ranger), so it was more cost effective to use it. and if you really must know, the have a 3.5l v6 also that makes between 260-280hp which is the same range as most VQ engines, and its said to be capable of much more if ford chooses to do it.

and the ford 3.8, is actually a pretty good engine, not as efficient and new dohc engines but reliable (after 96) and tough. its basically the same thing as the gm 3.8, infact its based off the same design. great engine for boosting.

No that's just Ford in general. I mean they also don't make engines that have power throughout the rpm band. The GT500 is making 500hp, but it gets dusted by the 400hp C6 vette.

i have seen powerband from a gt500, and it was pretty damn nice. thats a pretty broad comment you made. the C6 beats it because of other factors, mainly weight. and, my 3.8 has power throughout the rpm band.

anyway. on the 06 1/4 times. i have seen timeslips of 99-04 v6's running low 15s. so im sure that the 05+ v6 is capable of getting in the high 14's. good kill.

Thats a factor of the weight discrepancy between them

The GT500 has a better power to weight ratio then the C6 vette. Sure it outweighs the vette by 600lbs., but it also has 100 more horsepower, not to mention torque. Car & Driver cited this power deficit in several issues (With both the convertible and the coupe). In fact, the GT500 didn't post up numbers that were that far ahead of the 390hp 03/04 Cobra, despite have 110hp more.

I can't say that many good things about Ford's modular motor, after taking an engine out of a Saleen. The block is abnormally large (Much larger then an LS1). The shop I had my car tuned at said the 5.0 blocks were alot better to produce power from. Dunno though, as I do see alot of 03/04 Cobras pumping out pretty good power.

The GT500 has a better power to weight ratio then the C6 vette. Sure it outweighs the vette by 600lbs., but it also has 100 more horsepower, not to mention torque. Car & Driver cited this power deficit in several issues (With both the convertible and the coupe). In fact, the GT500 didn't post up numbers that were that far ahead of the 390hp 03/04 Cobra, despite have 110hp more.

I can't say that many good things about Ford's modular motor, after taking an engine out of a Saleen. The block is abnormally large (Much larger then an LS1). The shop I had my car tuned at said the 5.0 blocks were alot better to produce power from. Dunno though, as I do see alot of 03/04 Cobras pumping out pretty good power.

they are big and heavy, and in N/A form the 5.0 was easier to get gains from, mostly because it came rated so low stock. the 03/04 cobra was underrated and the new one probably isnt. but the mod motors are very tough and they can be good engines, depends on which one you have. the 3v and 4v versions are more efficient than the 5.0 in general. the 2v version is kinda pointless though. the 4v supercharged versions are awesome and its incredibly easy to make power with those though. 03/04 cobras can make 450whp so easy its retarded. i would like to see a new v8 come from ford that is easier to make power from and a little more efficient, while being smaller and more compact at the same time. but its a matter of money really. the 4.6l 3v will be making 350hp stock in '09. thats not so bad. on advantage it has over the 5.0 block is that it can take more power. if you push a stock 302 around 500hp your really pushing your luck. the mod motor will handle it just fine.

the 4.6l 3v will be making 350hp stock in '09. thats not so bad. on advantage it has over the 5.0 block is that it can take more power. if you push a stock 302 around 500hp your really pushing your luck. the mod motor will handle it just fine.

And in 2012 when they re-design it again the V6 3.5 will have about 350 horses I think it's called a cyclone engine or something like that.

And in 2012 when they re-design it again the V6 3.5 will have about 350 horses I think it's called a cyclone engine or something like that.

i believe that is what its called. i think that engine will replace the 4.0 in the next year or two, its already in some vehicles. a rumor i heard that sounds pretty awesome is that supposedly they are going to bring back the boss mustang (soon) with a 5.0l mod motor with about 390hp and the same weight as a mustang gt. that would be badass. as far as what happens in '09 and '12 i wouldnt be surprised to see the hp numbers change depending on what the competition does.

I think yall are thinking of the Hurricane engines, but apparently they changed the project name recently

The Boss is a forthcoming large-displacement V8 engine project at Ford Motor Company. The engine project was reportedly cancelled in 2005 as the company focused on its existing Triton V8 and V10, but was reportedly revived in early 2006 by Mark Fields. The large engine will compete with DaimlerChrysler's new Hemi and General Motors' large Vortec engines. Ford is currently unable to compete with these large V8 engines in the pickup truck, SUV, and luxury car markets with its 5.4 L Modular V8.

The Boss engine will reportedly displace 6.2 L, with the ability to exceed 7.0 L in future applications, and produce more than 425 hp (317 kW) and 425 ft·lbf (576 N·m). It will be built at Cleveland Engine in Cleveland, Ohio. The first application will be Ford's F-Series pickup trucks produced at Dearborn Truck. It has been rumored that the Hurricane will retain many of the Modular V8 design cues such as a deep skirt block with cross bolted main caps, oiling system design, and multivalve overhead camshaft valve train arrangement but it will have much wider bore spacing and bearing surfaces.

The engine was initially called the "Hurricane", but this was changed in mid 2006 to the storied Boss name in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Boss_engine

no the cyclone engine is the new v6.

I think its kind of odd that out of the blue a V6 stang will get that many ponies (no pun intended). I wonder how much the V8 will have to keep up the distinction between the 2

no the cyclone engine is the new v6.

thats right, we were talking about the V6, I saw Boss mustang and thought of the Hurricane, my bad

in 2012 v6s being 350 stock wow.....shit...4 bangers will probably be in the 280 range n/a then......hahaha I kidddd...

They are coming out with a new 3.5 liter with 260 or something HP.
wow, and only 6 years behind the Japanese competition and 3-4 years behind Chrysler and GM, way to stay on top of things ford.




And in 2012 when they re-design it again the V6 3.5 will have about 350 horses I think it's called a cyclone engine or something like that.


if ford's 2012 V6's make 350hp they'll still be behind everyone else. the V6's in the G35's, IS350's and other cars of the like are already at ~310 hp stock. if it takes Ford another 5 years to come up with something comparable it just further proves the point that Ford is way behind everyone else

^^ Lol, I agree completely with all that was said above.

First off, 300 HP from a 3.5 liter N/A is pretty strung out as it is. Who will complain about 300 or 350 horses in a V6 car? Who even needs 300 HP? Cars like that are showcases and not really huge sellers (especially for ford) What do you want for a V6 if 300 and 350 horses isn't enough? 400 500? Lets come back to reality here. If 250 and 300 HP V6's are becoming an industry standard than why trash ford for putting out a motor that performs as well as the industry bench mark in a car that is undoubtedly going to be cheaper than its Asian counterparts?

If 250 and 300 HP V6's are becoming an industry standard than why trash ford for putting out a motor that performs as well as the industry bench mark in a car that is undoubtedly going to be cheaper than its Asian counterparts?dude even hyundai's cranking out V6's with nearly 270 hp nowadays. IMO Ford's stagnating because while other companies are setting the industry standards, Ford's happy just to adhere to them and squeak by. I'm not the least bit surprised to see that ford just reported a $5.9 billion dollar loss for this quarter, the way things are going I'll be surprised if there even is a Ford motor company come 2012.

First off, 300 HP from a 3.5 liter N/A is pretty strung out as it is. Who will complain about 300 or 350 horses in a V6 car? Who even needs 300 HP? Cars like that are showcases and not really huge sellers (especially for ford) What do you want for a V6 if 300 and 350 horses isn't enough? 400 500? Lets come back to reality here. If 250 and 300 HP V6's are becoming an industry standard than why trash ford for putting out a motor that performs as well as the industry bench mark in a car that is undoubtedly going to be cheaper than its Asian counterparts?

I'll tell you why, it's actually more than just the power, for example, the new 2009 350z is going to have 350hp, but on top of that it will still be able to handle just as well, maybe even better than the previous model 350, as opposed to ford who comes out with a new mustang with a bit more power than the previous one but at the same time they add about 300-400 pounds on to it so the power makes no difference at all. sure they are cheap, but in my opinion they arent even worth it to me (I mean no offense to you mustang guys cause I have some friends who love mustangs.) So by the time that 2012 mustang comes out as a v6 with 350hp we might have a 400z with 400+ horses that will out run the stang in everyway and still cost a base price of less than 30k. Reason why we trash it is not because they are producing an engine that marks the bench mark, we trash it cause it takes them too long to reach the bench mark and by that time the bench has picked up and left so ford is stuck in the same posistion they were in, which is follow bench tracks.

I'll be surprised if either Ford or GM are around in 2012. They have lost some serious dough within the last year or so. That's not to mention the layoffs that both companies had to do.

Crap man, I dunno if I wanna even think about keeping my WS6. Who knows if there will be parts for it in a few years.

I can see it now......just imagine.....400hp hybrids....and still get 60mils per gal.....

yup not too far away,
just look at the lexus gs450h, but its more close to 30mpg

Rediculous, this motor isn't going to be put in a 350Z competitor. Quoting 350Z outputs and lexus outputs is pointless. The cars this goes into are going to be competitors for the Camry, Accord crowd. In which case it is likely that it will undercut the competition in a quality package. Do all the VQ35's have the same power output? Of course not and neither will this motor. They have already spoken on not only being hybrid ready on this motor but also turbo ready, which will surely match nearly any other V6 on the market. By the way, I am not a "mustang guy" I like the mustang for its positive attributes and affordable package. I am an auto enthusiast and actually do not currently own a Mustang....or even a performance car for that matter. Give credit when it is due this motor from all early reports seems great...surely better than anything it will replace and a worth competitor in the market.

you guys are rediculous. for one, remember my first post MARKETING. that has a lot to do with it. then, the v6 getting 350hp in 2012 is no big deal. its not like they are behind, they will use the same engine they have now. they are just choosing not to make it that way now because of, guess what, MARKETING. whether you agree with it or not its true. before if they wanted more that the 210hp or so they get from the 3.0 v6 they would just use a v8. with the v8s power going up now, there is a gap in power which is why they just now are bringing this engine along. they didnt have a use for it before. then saying its going to be put in competitors for the 350z and that is bullshit, no its not. new flash, the mustang v6 IS NOT a competitor for the 350z, the only similarity is it has a v6. the v8 is the competitor. saying "oh i can get this 400hp 350z for under 30k" is totally irrelevant. the mustang v6 costs under 20k. thats a huge difference. oh yeah, if your still convinced they arent capable of making power with small engines, they do have the 260hp version of the N/A 2.3l.

another tidbit, ford is still making money because of their ford motor credit line. so they arent going out of buisness. obviously the cars should keep them afloat, but they are not at the moment. you see all of these layoffs because ford is currently trying to change the structure of the entire company. you arent going to see instant results, it takes time. they are trying to make the company smaller because back in their hayday they became huge, when the jap companies came in they took some of the market and then ford had all this infrastructure and less market share. thats why they are laying people off, they want to become a smaller more nimble company. their car sales are actually improving and the fusion in particular is doing very well. i just read an article where some car salesman was saying that this car is the first car that people are actually trading in other companies cars to get on a regular basis, instead of other fords.

its time to get rid of your biases, they dont make sense when you look at the facts. because its a ford no longer means it has cheap build quality or a crappy powerband or whatever the misconceptions. if you dont like their cars because they dont appeal to you then fine. but the stereotypes are dumb.

^^^^^wow you seem alittle defensive....calm down my friend.....

^^^^^wow you seem alittle defensive....calm down my friend.....

well, its really pretty simple stuff to understand. i shouldnt have to lay it out like that. the stuff you guys are saying is like me saying that gm sucks because they still use pushrods. when it comes right down to it, it makes no sense.

you guys are rediculous. for one, remember my first post MARKETING. that has a lot to do with it. then, the v6 getting 350hp in 2012 is no big deal. its not like they are behind, they will use the same engine they have now. they are just choosing not to make it that way now because of, guess what, MARKETING. whether you agree with it or not its true. before if they wanted more that the 210hp or so they get from the 3.0 v6 they would just use a v8. with the v8s power going up now, there is a gap in power which is why they just now are bringing this engine along. they didnt have a use for it before. then saying its going to be put in competitors for the 350z and that is bullshit, no its not. new flash, the mustang v6 IS NOT a competitor for the 350z, the only similarity is it has a v6. the v8 is the competitor. saying "oh i can get this 400hp 350z for under 30k" is totally irrelevant. the mustang v6 costs under 20k. thats a huge difference. oh yeah, if your still convinced they arent capable of making power with small engines, they do have the 260hp version of the N/A 2.3l.

another tidbit, ford is still making money because of their ford motor credit line. so they arent going out of buisness. obviously the cars should keep them afloat, but they are not at the moment. you see all of these layoffs because ford is currently trying to change the structure of the entire company. you arent going to see instant results, it takes time. they are trying to make the company smaller because back in their hayday they became huge, when the jap companies came in they took some of the market and then ford had all this infrastructure and less market share. thats why they are laying people off, they want to become a smaller more nimble company. their car sales are actually improving and the fusion in particular is doing very well. i just read an article where some car salesman was saying that this car is the first car that people are actually trading in other companies cars to get on a regular basis, instead of other fords.

its time to get rid of your biases, they dont make sense when you look at the facts. because its a ford no longer means it has cheap build quality or a crappy powerband or whatever the misconceptions. if you dont like their cars because they dont appeal to you then fine. but the stereotypes are dumb.

Alright, call me stupid and bias and/or ignorant for not figuring this out. But, you say a huge corporation wants to make themselves smaller because that is how they became big!? That seems like the most rediculous idea I have ever heard. Many huge multi-billion dollar corps. start off small. But I guess I have yet to see one that is doing good, ok, or even bad say, "Hey, we started off small and then made it big........LETS TRY IT AGIAN!".

I am not launching an attack, just seems a little unreasonable.

I have heard it before but I really don't care. Nobody here should be pretending they know how to run a large corporation.

man I didnt put the stang in the 350 class I was just simply saying a 350 because someone mentioned imports and to me it made sence. Why not have the v6 up to the standards of most V6's and then the v8's up to the standards of most V8's? Either that or put the car on a bit of a diet. I like mustangs dont get me wrong, I especially like the design of the new one, I just dont get why ford would release a car that would be out performed in the next month by a GM, for example. Believe it or not, the fact that the V8 has 300hp does put it into the buyers choice of a 350, rx-8, STI, Evo, and so on. Cause if I was a Consumer looking at the mustang first thing I would do is,"Okay this car has 300hp, so what other ones have about the same, Oh, the 350 has the same amount and gets better gas milage and so does the STI, wait a minute...it says here the competitor for the 350 is the RX-8, let me go check those out." And by that time I wouldve forgot about the Stang.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323670

Just like I said in that thread, the Mustang is projected to be Ford's only RWD car by 2009.

Oh, and to add fuel to the fire: http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285214

Personally, I'd rather have the 350z than the Mustang GT.

True, the Mustang might have rear seats, but coming from an ex-Camaro owner. Cars of that nature, the back seats are all but useless anyways. So just give me the two seats and less weight please.

Personally, I'd rather have the 350z than the Mustang GT.

True, the Mustang might have rear seats, but coming from an ex-Camaro owner. Cars of that nature, the back seats are all but useless anyways. So just give me the two seats and less weight please.


And my point has been enforced

Alright, call me stupid and bias and/or ignorant for not figuring this out. But, you say a huge corporation wants to make themselves smaller because that is how they became big!? That seems like the most rediculous idea I have ever heard. Many huge multi-billion dollar corps. start off small. But I guess I have yet to see one that is doing good, ok, or even bad say, "Hey, we started off small and then made it big........LETS TRY IT AGIAN!".

I am not launching an attack, just seems a little unreasonable.

to black200gt's comment, im not trying to say i know how to run a large corporation, what im saying is basically what i read in fords own press release about their way forward plan.

now to the quoted above. i can see where your confused. you have to just look at it a different way i guess. and i like i said, these arent just my thoughts, ford itself has said its trying to do this. the company grew into a huge company back in the 70s or whatever right. so now when much of their market has been undercut they have the same people to pay and the same amount of factories to run but they are pulling in less money. so what they are doing is trying to cut some of this infrastructure so that the size of their company makes more sense with the amount of income they are bringing in. The biggest problem they really have is the unions in my opinion, but thats debatable. they have to pay their employees a ton. if im not mistaken they make over $20 per hour? im not sure on that though. in the concrete sealants factory i worked in over the summer the max pay was $12 an hour. so basically, yes they are trying to become smaller to become larger if you want to look at it that way. they are not only laying people off in this plan but they are closing down a very larger number of factories too.

man I didnt put the stang in the 350 class I was just simply saying a 350 because someone mentioned imports and to me it made sence. Why not have the v6 up to the standards of most V6's and then the v8's up to the standards of most V8's?

thats really just because of tradition i think. the mustang is their flagship car and its supposed to have a v8. but they cant make it to powerful or else the price starts to climb. i think its perfectly understandable not to agree with that philosophy. then the v6 is forced to have lower power compared to others so that it doesnt run out the v8. marketing.

also when saying you dont understand why they would put out a car that in a month is outperformed by gm keep in mind the cost, i know it gets old with me saying that but i think that is what it comes down to. the GTO for instance costs quite a bit more than a mustang gt.

man I didnt put the stang in the 350 class I was just simply saying a 350 because someone mentioned imports and to me it made sence. Why not have the v6 up to the standards of most V6's and then the v8's up to the standards of most V8's? Either that or put the car on a bit of a diet. I like mustangs dont get me wrong, I especially like the design of the new one, I just dont get why ford would release a car that would be out performed in the next month by a GM, for example. Believe it or not, the fact that the V8 has 300hp does put it into the buyers choice of a 350, rx-8, STI, Evo, and so on. Cause if I was a Consumer looking at the mustang first thing I would do is,"Okay this car has 300hp, so what other ones have about the same, Oh, the 350 has the same amount and gets better gas milage and so does the STI, wait a minute...it says here the competitor for the 350 is the RX-8, let me go check those out." And by that time I wouldve forgot about the Stang.

I don't think anyone looking at mustangs is really going to comparison shop to EVOs and STI's. Those cars are really not anything alike other than the HP numbers. As for the RX8 and Mustang GT and 350Z. The prices are close and the targeted audience is the same. The RX-8 dosn't put out like the GT mustang does as far as power is concerned so in that train of thought I would say people who shop for mustangs first are unlikely to be charmed by the less peppy RX-8. The Z to be honest is the closest competitor. Now as for the "better gas mileage" I don't know where you pulled that out of. Here is the EPA ratings as follows.
17/25 for the Mustang GT
19/25 for the 350Z
18/24 for the RX-8
18/24 for the EVO
18/24 for the STI
These cars are all pretty close as far as economy is concerned and I wouldn't say that the mustang is at any fuel disadvantage even when compared to the 4 bangers.

I don't think anyone looking at mustangs is really going to comparison shop to EVOs and STI's. Those cars are really not anything alike other than the HP numbers. As for the RX8 and Mustang GT and 350Z. The prices are close and the targeted audience is the same. The RX-8 dosn't put out like the GT mustang does as far as power is concerned so in that train of thought I would say people who shop for mustangs first are unlikely to be charmed by the less peppy RX-8. The Z to be honest is the closest competitor. Now as for the "better gas mileage" I don't know where you pulled that out of. Here is the EPA ratings as follows.
17/25 for the Mustang GT
19/25 for the 350Z
18/24 for the RX-8
18/24 for the EVO
18/24 for the STI
These cars are all pretty close as far as economy is concerned and I wouldn't say that the mustang is at any fuel disadvantage even when compared to the 4 bangers.

I guess it's the whole less cylinders gets better gas thing, My friend has a v6 '03 stang and gets worse gas milage than my 8 does.

I guess it's the whole less cylinders gets better gas thing, My friend has a v6 '03 stang and gets worse gas milage than my 8 does.

he shouldnt, mine gets between 24 and 25 combined on a regular basis. 29 highway.

Maybe its the "perceived" less cylinders gets better gas mileage. It clearly isn't the reality of it. Just to who a quick flash of reality look at the 06 Vette 18/28 MPG or even the Z06 16/26 with 500 Hp and 7 liters.

More more displacement, has to work less.

Plus, the Corvettes don't weigh much for the power they have.