will an ex head bolt onto an lx???

will i have problems with vacumm lines????

a 1994 lx block

Hey, look the engines in both the LX and EX are the same exept for the EX being equipped with VTEC. You can buy the VTEC computer or program which ever you'd like to call it. It's pointless putting a head from an EX on to a LX without buying VTEC.

I didn't finish, the easiest way to do it is to buy a H22 already equipped with VTEC. It will save a lot of head aches. There is this guy where I live who did do what you are talking about and he has to flip a toggle switch to get his VTEC to kick on in. Crazy huh?

this toggle switch idea sounds ridiculous. why not just do it the right way and get the new ecu?

There is only a 15hp difference between the LX and EX, so if you ask me, it aint worth the money and headache. Do the H22 swap, thats worth the money...

somebody tell me if I am off my rocker but isn't the h22a dohc and the f23 sohc? The head from the h22a wouldn't work with the f23 block. Oh well!

I don't mean to let the cat out of the bag but... instead of buying the ecu programed for the V-Tech and instead of the toggle switch, use a WOT 'wide open throttle ' like for N2O every time your foot goes to the floor the bumble bees of v-tech start doing there thang!!! its cheap too... :D

the WOT idea is great until you let off the gas at 7500 RPM's and you drop to the lower-profile cams effectively choking your motor to hell. you then get the idea to start going again, but instead of just going faster right away, you bog out because you dont have the right cams activated. you then have to wait for the pedal to be depressed all the way, and for the pin to be activated. ECU is still the best way of going about it, and its not that much more expensive than these half-ass ways of getting vtec to work.

i still want to know how you get the intracacies of the vtec to work when all you are doing is activating a solenoid. what happens to the new timing and fuel?

ok whoev said that they can buy the "VTEC" is a F-cking retart, if ukno nething about vtec, whenthe engine his a certain rpm, a extra set of rocker arms are activated which allows air and gas to flow in and out quicker,meaning more power,,, so u cant just put a vtect in a car you'd have to completely redesign, and rebuilt thecam shaft and timing systems, u may as well buy a new engine ( h22)

Who said anything about putting V-tech on a motor??? Someone said something about putting a sohc v-tech head on a motor!!!

Oh yeah, whats the difference in letting of the gas with a vtech engine with all the computer components and letting off the gas with a switch??
Nothing.... I know people who instead of paying all the money for a
v-tech controller they put it on a toggle..... when you let off the gas with a civic SI in v-tech the v-tech imediately stops working..... just like flipping a switch off..... I am not half a$$ I go with what works for me!!!

V-tech :rolleyes: .... A irritating loud sound that makes you think you are going faster!!! :D :cool: :sun: :silly2:

you guys don't even know how to spell vtec in the first place to talk about it

Originally posted by LoKoBoYraSeR
you guys don't even know how to spell vtec in the first place to talk about it

Glad you know how to spell it. Does that make you feel better?

Originally posted by wagsaccordsir


Glad you know how to spell it. Does that make you feel better?

does your ugly face make you feel better, or does your car make you feel better, that piece of shit in your sig???:flipa: :bloated:

Does it make you cry when I walk you down a track? Does it make you cry when I take the 1st place trophy from you? Does it make you cry when I take my ugly face and crash it into your head? Or does my piece of shit make you cry because you haven't aquired that status yet. Sucks being lower than shit huh?

you need to lay off the crack buddy................i know and you know your car aint shit, i piss all over your car any day.

Do I know you? Gonna piss on my car ehh? Go ahead and try!!

first off i would like to say that wagsaccordsir's car is damn nice. i wish i could drive around in that thing everyday.

second off, shockjon, you dont nearly as much as you would like to know. in a car that has the correct ecu for vtec, when the car is still above the vtec activation point, whether you are at WOT or not, the solenoid is still keeping the rocker arms rubbing on the high profile cam. if you have a switch that only activates the solenoid when you are at WOT, you experience a shitload of problems. the first is that you activate the high profile cams, whether you are revved high enough or not. this means your car runs like shit for the first couple thousand rpms. once you hit the point where the ecu, if you were smart enough to buy one, would activate the solenoid, your car runs like any other. that is until you let off the throttle. in a car that has the ecu, the solenoid remains activated, and the high profile cams are still being used. in your shitty setup, the solenoid is deactivated and you run off the low profile cams, choking the motor to hell, as i said before. plus you have to wait for the O2 sensor to detect your lean a/f mixture because your WOT switch cannot make your car run on a new fuel curve either. this means you are relying on systems that are meant to make minor adjustments to the a/f ratio to make relatively major ones. so now you get the great idea to just buy a computer for it to adjust your fuel curve and all is peachy keen. the only problem is that you just spent a lot more than a new ecu to solve the same problem, along with creating new problems. good job.

so :flipa: you, and learn your shit.

Originally posted by b16a3sol
second off, shockjon, you dont nearly as much as you would like to know.
so :flipa: you, and learn your shit.

First off, do I know you? Because you have no right whatsoever to judge me and my character. If you had any brains at all you could understand that I was only suggesting that the WOT switch could be done I never meant for it to break your heart like the fact that theres no santa clause either. And if you had any sense you would know that there is NO diff in letting off the gas and fipping a switch off with vtec. The last time I checked a vtec engine (unless its highly modified) can't spray enough fuel in a split second to do any damage or anything to the engine, if you think it will bog it down or stall it your and idiot... Fo course if your so stupid to go full throttle with the WOT switch and hit vtec at 1k rpms your are an idiot.... You can adjust a WOT switch so that it is only a fraction of a inch off full throttle ,which in any normal car isn't enough to make any power difference. which means that when you to hit vtec you simply move the pedal about the thickness of a bussiness card and your are there... You can try that on a dyno some day... I also think that the reason you are so offened by all this is you were beat by a v8 at some point in your childhood and it cause a lot of mental problems later in life. Not to mention the fact that you can't drive so you have to have a computer do all the thinking for you, like most little rich brats do.... And as for your BumbleB16 you can shoove it up your tail pipe...

So in the future learn to drive.... :bandit:

my argument about letting off of vtec at 7500 was not about the fuel, it was about the cams. when the pedal is taken off of WOT, the switch will be deactivated. this means that the high profile cam is also deactivated. so, if you want to go fast again, you have to trigger the switch, which means you have to get your rocker arm back onto the high profile cam. this takes time, unless you are smart enough to buy an ecu from the beginning. the ecu is able to tell that you are still above the normal acivation point, leaving the high profile cam still engaged.

if you think that a car can go from 10% throttle to WOT instataneously, then you are mistaken. there is a period of time when you are not at WOT, but are instead depressing the pedal. if you are at 7000 rpms, and employ a dumbass WOT switch, this means there is a period of time when you are trying to accelerate using the low profile lobes on your camshaft. not my idea of a powerhouse if you ask me.

i would also like to know how many people slowly depress the gas pedal when they want to go faster, but are still under 5000 rpms. last time i heard about someone racing their car from a stop, they pushed the gas pedal all the way down. thats what i do anyways, but like you said, i need to learn how to drive. since most of us that are starting from a stop cant downshift to hit a higher rpm that 1st gear, we have to leave the line at lower than 5000 rpms. personally, since i dont like frying my clutch too much, its somewhere around 3500. anyone that knows anything also knows that 3500 is way too low of an activation point for vtec for reasons i dont want to get into. with your WOT switch, though, vtec is getting engaged by everyone that reaches WOT when they are racing. of course since you know how to drive you are not, you are slowly pushing the gas down until you hit 5000 rpms, where you finally reach WOT. thats got to be the best way to win races i have ever heard.

you are the supporter of the WOT switch because you wanted someone else to spend money on that setup. if you are going to tell someone to spend money on something, you had better back it up yourself, for example the WOT switch. personally, anything other than getting the correct ecu should not be bought.

and for the record, my del sol is completely stock. the only computer i have do work for me is the ecu that came with it. that means you do the same thing with your car, unless you spent money on computers, which would make you a damned hypocrite. i dont think my car is the be all end all of cars, and i know some v8s that could rip you a new asshole. stop resorting to personal attacks to try and compensate for your shitty arguments.

I don't know where to start this time... You have out done yourself!!!
You must have a reading disabiity, and a understanding disability... Who ever said any thing about "slowly accelerating" or going form 10% throttle to full in a instant??? You obviously don't have a freaking clue about WOT switches... They can be adjusted to switch at the last mm of throttle... Unless you have a highly midified car you CAN, not go to WOT and not loose any power..... I have done it in at least 10 diff cars..... I am only talking about a fraction of a fraction of a inch..... Which means that you can accel at your normal rate and then at whatever rpm you want to engage move the throttle that last micro inch and its there.... If you can't comprihend that you have a driving problem.... And as said before you need to learn how to drive.... Oh yeah by the way WOT switches are $10 ecu's are a whole lot more than that.....

I never said anything about me beating V8's either by the way.... And one more thing for the record I and SOHC non v-tec..... V-tec a noise maker that makes you think you are going faster..... And if I were you I would upgrade my clutch so you can actually drive the car and get out of it what it can do.... Like most people that I know that know anything about B16's is you dump it at 6000 like a real man..... I know a dozen people who done this for 50k miles on and off the track and never had a problem until there cltch finally went, which by the way on a b16 takes about 1 hr to change and a good racing clutch is only about $350.... So try spending some money where it must need to go since you are so worried about a clutch.... And don't give me that crap about (I don't want to spend the money on a clutch), if you can afford a ECU you can afford a clutch..... Nough said... I don't mean to argue....You have your opinion I have mine... My way is cheap and shotty you way is expensive and fancy.... All that said you are not an idiot I don't even know you.... So If you ever want to get beat by a stock accord let me know....

My way is cheap and shotty

exactly. if you think that $350 is cheap, then buy an ecu, because i guarantee their prices are comparable. i, on the other hand, do not need to buy an ecu, because i started out with a car that was fast enough for me. i see no reason to buy a car then spend $1500 on shit to get it to the same speed as another car in stock form, that could have be gotten just as easily. my car is still stock, and will remain that way. this is because i also like resale value to stick around as long as possible.

[QUOTE]Like most people that I know that know anything about B16's is you dump it at 6000 like a real man..... I know a dozen people who done this for 50k miles on and off the track and never had a problem until there cltch finally went[\QUOTE]

if your friends badass car can have the clutch be dropped at 6000, then it is obviously making no power. even dropping at 4000 the car burns out for a long time, 6000 must seem like an eternity. in the mean time the other car, who actually has traction, takes off while you are putting on your light show. i, however, also know that a clutch is meant to last well over 100k miles before showing any problems, with an average driver. many dont get replaced until about 150k. your friends, though, replace theirs after 50k. in case you havent figured it out yet, that means your friends are doing something wrong. apparently 'being a real man' means treating your car like shit and spending a lot of money on replacement parts. i try to distance myself from that kind of title.

your car may be fast as hell, but you didnt start out with anywhere near the power that i did. you also dont have the tuning flexibility that comes along with being able to have 2 different cam lobes for different rpm ranges. my motor can be made faster with less money than your accord motor can, at least i havent heard of too many people hoping for the f22a4 swap of their dreams yet. any time someone knocks on vtec, its by someone that doesnt havent. those with it realize that it gives us a slight advantage to our incredibly small motors that need all the help they can get.

First off I would like to say :monkeypis you..... If you knew any thing at all about B16's you would know that in all the real track test in a stock civic si the absolute best time came from 6k rpm clutch drops.... They spin the tires all the way to redline and then catch right at the last second just when your about to make the 1-2 shift.... But since you are a B16 god you already knew that..... If you think you car has any resale value and its more than 2 years old you are :bonghitte .... And the reason theese people replaced there clutch after 50k is because they actually drove there car like it was meant to be drove, and the SI had a weak clutch from the factory... Honda even said that.... I am through trying to talk to idiots on this forum.... I am going somewhere, where the people don't have there head shooved so far up there butt they can't see daylight.... They actually want to talk truth about cars and hear others opinions on things.... Instead of putting down every thing someone says and calling them a dumbass..... So all I want to say to you bsuxteenahole is your are a IDIOT and :monkeypis YOU:badass: .... Maybe one day you will get your head out of your butt and relize yor don't know how to drive... And further more I never said my f22a was the stuff and never talked it up and said anything good about..... So :flipa:

I really didnt want to interject, but ShockJon you wrote alot about the F22 in the thread "How slow is your Accord". I remember me and you went on for days about this subject. You saying the f22 was better to build up, and doing a swap was cheating, blah blah blah. So unless you have changed your stance and convictions, then I suggest you go back and refresh yourself. You are arguing about shit with B16a3sol, that you are no contradicting.

Now I don't know everything there is to know about engines and all the things you can do and not do, but I know enough, and in fact I'm stioll learning and will always learn. But I do know this, you obviously think you know it all, you only think you do. The reason I say this is because you have never come across very informative, you make it sound like you said it and thats how it is.. Fact of life you don't know everything, i can guarantee you that. You get too defensive in these posts that it only stands to reason that somebody once told you the sky was purple and you are convinced that it is still purple..

B16a3sol has made several valid and truthful statements, and yet you still believe the sky is purple.

Lastly, I have to totally agree with b16a3sol on the f22a4 swap, never heardof anyone wanting to do one, hell I can't even convince anyone to buy my old one to swap into their car, and I was gonna literally let them have it.. If you both haven't read "How slow is your Accord" I would highly recommend that you go check it out. I notice how a few months ago my knowledge was a little off in spots, but it wasn't to far off. So to set the record straight I'm aware that I made a few typos in there, but not very noticable.. PEACE
And no hard feelings man, I still got love for ya!!!

FOCK THE A/F AND EVERY ONE IN IT.....:flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger:

:D hahahahahahahahahaha:D

i sense some animosity shockjon. its alright. i admit straight off that i dont know everything. the only way to learn more is to argue what you think is right, then have someone thats more knowledgeable correct whats wrong, like wagsaccordsir was pointing out. i will say that i seem to know just as much as you do if not more, you are just too pissed off to admit that i have any relevant knowledge to contribute. oh well.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by ShockJon
FOCK THE A/F AND EVERY ONE IN IT.....:flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger:


That's the best come back you got?

Damn I figured you would have come back with something about the sky not being purple anymore and tried to convince us that it is now orange.. May I offer green?

Don't take this shit to heart man. It takes a bigger man to admit he's wrong..

Peace...