are these changes better for all of us?
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TheSilentChamber
10-23-2006, 01:39 PM
That would be fucking awsome if my car drove for me. You know how much more sleep I could get?
GreyGoose006
10-23-2006, 02:56 PM
Lexus LS you mean. Sick. Dumb down driving even more for people
well i'm pretty sure it was a lincoln.
i know lexus has this option,but i thought it was only available in japan with this option (i think).
either way, it will be a product that only old people and bad drivers will pay for. i can see it now. how many lawsuits will develop baacause -insert name- from -insert small town- thought that the system was fully automatic, and ended up backing into someone because he never hit the brakes.
kinda like when cruise control first came out, and all the sudden there were myths of people who set the cruise control and went to sleep, then crashed and killed 4 people and created a 26 car pileup.
well i'm pretty sure it was a lincoln.
i know lexus has this option,but i thought it was only available in japan with this option (i think).
either way, it will be a product that only old people and bad drivers will pay for. i can see it now. how many lawsuits will develop baacause -insert name- from -insert small town- thought that the system was fully automatic, and ended up backing into someone because he never hit the brakes.
kinda like when cruise control first came out, and all the sudden there were myths of people who set the cruise control and went to sleep, then crashed and killed 4 people and created a 26 car pileup.
dragon370
10-23-2006, 03:41 PM
Steel
10-23-2006, 03:51 PM
Lexus LS460 (aka the LS..) Brand new. Self parking system. Never even heard of Lincoln doing self park. And i wouldnt trust it as far as i could throw it to boot, considering Ford is good at screwing things up.
GreyGoose006
10-23-2006, 04:00 PM
ive heard that there is a lexus that self parks, but it is only in japan.
the commercial i saw was for a lincoln.
the commercial i saw was for a lincoln.
Steel
10-23-2006, 04:13 PM
No, its an option in the U.S. And there is no lincoln that parks itself. This technology is brand new and exclusive to Lexus.
GreyGoose006
10-23-2006, 07:01 PM
i guess i mis heard the commercial.
i'm pretty sure that it was a lincoln ls tho.
i'm pretty sure that it was a lincoln ls tho.
dragon370
10-23-2006, 11:33 PM
i just saw LS and immediately thought Lincoln thats all
GreyGoose006
10-24-2006, 12:15 AM
yep. just saw it again.
wierd how the mind works.
and its still creepy to have a car park for me.
also, the same car has an 8 SPEED automatic tranny.
WTF do you need 8 speeds for. just a question.
-note:
i am not against all automotive progress, but come on.
8 speed tranny, 5 blade razor...
it just seem excessive
wierd how the mind works.
and its still creepy to have a car park for me.
also, the same car has an 8 SPEED automatic tranny.
WTF do you need 8 speeds for. just a question.
-note:
i am not against all automotive progress, but come on.
8 speed tranny, 5 blade razor...
it just seem excessive
KiwiBacon
10-24-2006, 12:29 AM
and its still creepy to have a car park for me.
also, the same car has an 8 SPEED automatic tranny.
WTF do you need 8 speeds for. just a question.
Mainly because the competition have 7 speed automatics.
No matter how dumb the customer may be, chances are they'll be able to count.
also, the same car has an 8 SPEED automatic tranny.
WTF do you need 8 speeds for. just a question.
Mainly because the competition have 7 speed automatics.
No matter how dumb the customer may be, chances are they'll be able to count.
UncleBob
10-24-2006, 01:08 AM
I bet they cant count to infinity....
thats why the CV trannies haven't been selling too well :D
thats why the CV trannies haven't been selling too well :D
drunken monkey
10-24-2006, 11:18 AM
No, its an option in the U.S. And there is no lincoln that parks itself. This technology is brand new and exclusive to Lexus.
i'm pretty sure honda had a self parking system quite a few years ago.
i'm pretty sure honda had a self parking system quite a few years ago.
GreyGoose006
10-24-2006, 11:21 AM
someone on this forum once said that usually, a 7 or 8 speed tranny was really just a 4 speed that used the TC locking as another gear.
1 + slip = 1
1 locked = 2
2 + slip = 3
2 locked = 4
3 + slip = 5
3 locked = 6
ect...
is this true?
seems like BS to me.
1 + slip = 1
1 locked = 2
2 + slip = 3
2 locked = 4
3 + slip = 5
3 locked = 6
ect...
is this true?
seems like BS to me.
GreyGoose006
10-24-2006, 11:25 AM
i'm pretty sure honda had a self parking system quite a few years ago.
just saw a video of a toyota doing it...
guess the software isnt too complicated.
if you have electric power steering, its a simple matter of controling the steering with the computer
just saw a video of a toyota doing it...
guess the software isnt too complicated.
if you have electric power steering, its a simple matter of controling the steering with the computer
Steel
10-24-2006, 04:02 PM
8 speeds means you're in your powerband more. I think its a waste too, but with BMW making a racket aobut their 7-speed tranny a couple years back someone had to go out and one-up them.
Wait till you see the LS600hL. Sick sick sick.
Too bad lexus (toyota in general) styling is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
Wait till you see the LS600hL. Sick sick sick.
Too bad lexus (toyota in general) styling is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
GreyGoose006
10-25-2006, 03:26 PM
how much more weight and complexity does an 8 speed tranny have over a 5 speed. even a 6 speed.
seems like the extra weight would offset the performance of having 2-3 more gears.
unless the shifts are lightning quick, there is also time lost between gears, and in slippage to keep the jerkiness out.
seems like the extra weight would offset the performance of having 2-3 more gears.
unless the shifts are lightning quick, there is also time lost between gears, and in slippage to keep the jerkiness out.
UncleBob
10-25-2006, 10:11 PM
some of the fancy new trannies are casset style trannies, using engine management to shift gears....ie, no clutch operation for a shift. The shifts are roughly .06 seconds....I read somewhere anyway. Not much lost time on a shift.
No clutch packs greatly reduces the complexity....mechanical complexity anyway.
Casset trannies are very compact and not all that heavy....bikes have been using them for decades.
No clutch packs greatly reduces the complexity....mechanical complexity anyway.
Casset trannies are very compact and not all that heavy....bikes have been using them for decades.
Steel
10-26-2006, 12:12 PM
Looking at the lexus site, it seemes to be your run-of-the mill planetary gearset type auto. Just with more bells and whistles. And gears.
KiwiBacon
10-27-2006, 08:02 PM
how much more weight and complexity does an 8 speed tranny have over a 5 speed. even a 6 speed.
seems like the extra weight would offset the performance of having 2-3 more gears.
That won't worry your average lexus buyer.
LEXUS = Luxury EXport US
seems like the extra weight would offset the performance of having 2-3 more gears.
That won't worry your average lexus buyer.
LEXUS = Luxury EXport US
curtis73
10-28-2006, 01:47 AM
someone on this forum once said that usually, a 7 or 8 speed tranny was really just a 4 speed that used the TC locking as another gear.
1 + slip = 1
1 locked = 2
2 + slip = 3
2 locked = 4
3 + slip = 5
3 locked = 6
ect...
is this true?
seems like BS to me.
Some may do that, but all the new 6+ speed trannys I've seen are all distinct ratios. The TC usually locks up independently of the gears. Whereas TCs used to lock up after reaching top gear, now most of them just generically lock up at X mph. I think Ford's new one locks up at 35 mph unless you go WOT.
1 + slip = 1
1 locked = 2
2 + slip = 3
2 locked = 4
3 + slip = 5
3 locked = 6
ect...
is this true?
seems like BS to me.
Some may do that, but all the new 6+ speed trannys I've seen are all distinct ratios. The TC usually locks up independently of the gears. Whereas TCs used to lock up after reaching top gear, now most of them just generically lock up at X mph. I think Ford's new one locks up at 35 mph unless you go WOT.
psychopathicdude
10-28-2006, 05:56 PM
Ford's new one locks up at 35 mph unless you...
"Can I get a WOT WOT??????"
This kind of mindless drivel will get me back on the dumbass list for sure....I mean, fo sho...
"Can I get a WOT WOT??????"
This kind of mindless drivel will get me back on the dumbass list for sure....I mean, fo sho...
UncleBob
10-28-2006, 11:35 PM
"Can I get a WOT WOT??????"
This kind of mindless drivel will get me back on the dumbass list for sure....I mean, fo sho...
he means "new" as in comparing the time line to big-bang intervals :D
This kind of mindless drivel will get me back on the dumbass list for sure....I mean, fo sho...
he means "new" as in comparing the time line to big-bang intervals :D
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