September 11th....one year on

Its coming up to one year since this tragic event changed the live's of so many, not only in America but around the world.
What are you planing to do on this day to remember?

Just planning on watching the special events stuff that they are going to show.

Haven't really thought about it. I don't think I'll do anything special on that day because I have to work, but I imagine I will spend a good deal of time thinking about what it means to me and how it's changed my life. It will be a somber occasion marking the darkest period of time I've ever experienced in my short life.

I remember coming home from work after the graveyard shift, and listening to the radio in my car. The DJ's on the morning radio show that I normally listened to were out for the day, and another DJ was subbing for them. She just off-handedly mentioned a plane had crashed into one of the twin towers... When I got home, I turned on the TV, and that was right after the 2nd plane had hit. Then, when I saw the first tower collapse, I actually vomitted, it made me so sick. And for the rest of the day, all I could do was sit and watch the events unfold like a suspense movie... But in this movie, there was no resolution, no closure, and no end... Only a gaping void that could never be filled. I've never been the same since.

I'll certainly remember what happened and get ticked off about it again, but I'm going to go about my business as usual. Nothing extra special planned. Though, I'll probably watch a memorial service or two on TV.

Its certainly a big deal, but I am not a big fan of how some people get so hyped about the anniversary of any event. I like to celebrate X-mas, birthdays and such because that is fun. I dont want to have a celebration of tragic events. Its good and proper to remember and reflect on them, but it shouldn't consume our every moment (there are too many tragedies to constantly be mulling over).













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Im just going to quitely hope mr Bush dosnt do anything stupid, like start a fucking war he will never win.

September historicly is a great time to start world wars.

Both WWI and WWII started in september, The Brits officaly decleared war on Germany on the 3rd of sept (my Bday).

I think I'll light a candle or stick of incense at sunrise and think about it (and a whole pile of other things that have changed me life recently) until it burns out.

Then I'll wander off to work

I'll be wrapping up a hiking trip that morning in the High Peaks region of the Adirondack Mountains in New York State. Unfortunately, I won't have any hiking that day, but I'll be getting up, having breakfast, and departing the lodge I am staying at with my uncle and hiking buddies around the time the first plane hit. I imagine we'll be tuned into NPR, listening to whatever broadcast they have in memorial to the tragedy. I will be remembering where I was, and how I felt, on that grizzly, numbing day.

On a related subject, I heard in a recent poll that Americans are actually split, about 50/50, on whether they want September 11th to be marked as a national "holiday" (I think that is a poor term in this context, as a holiday usually evokes images of gathering for celebration, as opposed to taking time to remember and honor those who lost their lives). In my opinion, it would be a slap in the face of this country NOT to remember this as a holiday (i.e. a day of recognition).

Well here in NZ we have ANZAC day, which is a remberance day for all the Kiwi soldiers who have lost thier lives.

But it started as a remberance of a terrible day during WWI when Kiwi and Aussi troops (known as ANZACs or Australia New Zealand Army Corps) were sent on an almost suicide mission to invade Turkey by the British. But despite suffering horrible casualities succeded.


Considering the impact that sept 11 has had not only on the US, but also on the rest of the world it should be remembered has a memorial holiday. Something to remind america that its not invonrable, and that not everybody loves what thier doing.

and it should also serve as a yet another reminder that Violence does not solve anything. But prehaps one that ppl in power might listen to.

I'll be going about my usual business.

:)

I think I'll have a beer in honor of all the people who lost their lives that day, especially to the firefighters, and the guys on the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania who tried to take back the plane, followed by a moment of silence.

Nothing, I am over it :rolleyes:

I shall be showing my utter contempt for the terrorists by treating it as any other normal day.The attack is over,the worst of the devastation has been cleared,the occupants have either been buried or formally declared dead(105 are still listed as "missing").With the aniversary of the attack will come an understandable outpouring of grief,rage,and sadness. Closure will not happen until Bin Laden has been caught ,tried and sentenced.
It is my sincere belief that we should leave that job to the experts and continue to live as free and fearless people.The dead should be acknowledged,and their families permitted to grieve with dignity.As for the rest of us,the terrorists' impact on our lives will only be significant if we allow them to haunt us.

September 11th SHOULD be made a national day of rememberance, but like was mentioned before, not a "holiday" as that serves as a happy terminology. I'll be attending class, but I will remember class last year, and the horror that struck me that morning when I didn't know if several of my friends were alive as they were in Johnstown, PA and D.C. at the time. I won't forget, but I won't dwell.

Originally posted by saturntangerine
September 11th SHOULD be made a national day of rememberance, but like was mentioned before, not a "holiday" as that serves as a happy terminology. I'll be attending class, but I will remember class last year, and the horror that struck me that morning when I didn't know if several of my friends were alive as they were in Johnstown, PA and D.C. at the time. I won't forget, but I won't dwell.



A national day of rememberance? I doubt that will ever happen. Seeing as to, when it happened, i wasn't shocked, or anything, It just happened, and i did not have a reaction to it. Still don't care about it. I mean sure alot of people lost their lives, but i didn't know any of them, so i can frankly say i dont care about the 11th....



Anyhoo...


I'll carry on with my normal doings, as in sleeping in, AVOIDING tv that day.

I hate to sound holier than thou, and maybe I don't even have a right to speak out about this.. but honestly, to those of you who have posted that you basically in one way or another "don't care" ...I'm ashamed to share this board space with you :mad:

Try to think about how acts of terrorism by an international organization affect the freedoms taken for granted of every free citizen in the world, whether you comprise a "target" portion of the world's population or not. Maybe I should be jealous that in this capacity I can't claim that ignorance is bliss. But no, I know that ignorance is just ignorance http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon13.gifhttp://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon11.gif

Originally posted by JD@af
I hate to sound holier than thou, and maybe I don't even have a right to speak out about this.. but honestly, to those of you who have posted that you basically in one way or another "don't care" ...I'm ashamed to share this board space with you :mad:


Well, I'm sorry, but this is all too far away for me to worry, most terrorists can't even locate NZ, why should I worry???? :(


Sure it sucks that people died, bt like said in the flick, Deep Impact, the buildings will be rebuilt, the heroes will be remembered (Though I think the firefighters/Police were hero's, the rest were Victims)

Generally meaning that wemust move on, not let the terrorists think they changed out lives

Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi


Well, I'm sorry, but this is all too far away for me to worry, most terrorists can't even locate NZ, why should I worry???? :(

.......
Generally meaning that wemust move on, not let the terrorists think they changed out lives


Trying thinking like this:

What if your brother is killed by a terrorist attack in Italy? or if he was in London and the plan to fly a plan into downing street had succeded.
My brother was working on Downing street, and chances are he would have been caught up in it if they had succeded. The attack wasn't just aimed at the US, it was aimed at the entier western world.


Then think about what happens if on this sept 11 they make another attack on another international landmark, and as a result the US, the UK, and all the other allies launch a full scale war on places like Iraq and Pakistan. We happen to be one of those allies, and any war against terrorism would turn into a religious war between muslims and christians, and you would be one of the first ppl to be conscripted and shipped off to somewhere in Asia to fight.

Don't think that will ever happen?
Well prehaps you should ask your father about this small war called Vietnam, or your Grand Father about this other small war called WWII.
Both occured within the last 60 years, and both were started by mis guided fools in places of power. And New Zealanders were conscripted to fight and die in both.


You can deny the full impact of what happened as much as you like, but it will never change it.

Originally posted by Moppie


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What if your brother is killed by a terrorist attack in Italy? or if he was in London and the plan to fly a plan into downing street had succeded.
My brother was working on Downing street, and chances are he would have been caught up in it if they had succeded. The attack wasn't just aimed at the US, it was aimed at the entier western world.





I'm scared :uhoh: :( :(

Originally posted by JD@af
I hate to sound holier than thou, and maybe I don't even have a right to speak out about this.. but honestly, to those of you who have posted that you basically in one way or another "don't care" ...I'm ashamed to share this board space with you :mad:

Try to think about how acts of terrorism by an international organization affect the freedoms taken for granted of every free citizen in the world, whether you comprise a "target" portion of the world's population or not. Maybe I should be jealous that in this capacity I can't claim that ignorance is bliss. But no, I know that ignorance is just ignorance http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon13.gifhttp://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon11.gif

I agree 100% you took the words right outta my mouth
I'm from Brooklyn, and I have lots of family that lives in the city, my cousin works in Manhattan and i was scared for them on that day last year.

Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi
Nothing, I am over it :rolleyes:

I'm totally with Moss here, again. I never thought about like the day after it happened. We've had bombings before and no one seems to care to remember. There seems to be the thought of Patrio Day and if I get out of school, then I'll remember anyway possible! :D

Originally posted by Damien

We've had bombings before and no one seems to care to remember.

Actually I think that was the first big attack on US mainland, the only other thing i can think of is Pearl Harbor, an the Twin Towers was alot worse IMO

When were the bombings before?? :confused:

Originally posted by DonCorleone


Actually I think that was the first big attack on US mainland, the only other thing i can think of is Pearl Harbor, an the Twin Towers was alot worse IMO

When were the bombings before?? :confused:

My point proven.

September 11, and I hate it when people call it 9-1-1, was nothing but a terrorist attack. I agree it was a terrible loss and I hate what happened. But the Oklahoma city bombing was also a terroist attack. There also have been majorly known serial killers that have done more than tornados have! Columbine of course has and will be remembered. Most of the other schools though haven't and how are the students that attack the school any differesnt than Osama Bin Laden. They wasnt to cause terror and what was the outcome? Everybody now....TERROR!

Also, Americans, did you know we fired first in the Pearl Harbor attack.

Seriously folks. This whole situation is a powder keg waiting to go off, and if you think you're "too far away" to really care, you're sorely mistaken. Like Moppie said, you're still involved, even though you yourself was not a target of the attack. The attack of Sept. 11th is only a symptom of a much greater problem.

I'm pretty far away from it, but it still affected me deeply... Which sucks, because that was their goal, to strike fear in our hearts, and I'm sad to say that they succeeded. But when you stop and think about it, this isn't just an isolated incident. It's not the first time, and it's not the last time. I think most Americans feel helpless because of the nature of the enemy. The way they operate is difficult to detect. For all we know, our neighbors could be part of a "sleeper cell" or could be operating a business that's funneling money to the terrorist cause. And it's this uncertainty that plagues us.

Originally posted by Damien


My point proven.

September 11, and I hate it when people call it 9-1-1, was nothing but a terrorist attack. I agree it was a terrible loss and I hate what happened. But the Oklahoma city bombing was also a terroist attack. There also have been majorly known serial killers that have done more than tornados have! Columbine of course has and will be remembered. Most of the other schools though haven't and how are the students that attack the school any differesnt than Osama Bin Laden. They wasnt to cause terror and what was the outcome? Everybody now....TERROR!

Also, Americans, did you know we fired first in the Pearl Harbor attack.

The difference is that over 5000 people died..... that's a very big number
And watching those 2 huge towers fall was a huge ordeal

I'm not sure if it was here or in school I talked about this. First of all, before I get into it, I'm a direct target because I'm less than a mile form the US military's largest air field with more than 70% of our air forces so don't go saying "your involved" and other $hit like that. I'm involoved but I still could care less.

I avoided this thread for so long because it discussed Sept. 11 and I didn't watch T.V. or do anything else with my parents because all they could do was watch the stupid news about it! I went up stairs and watched anything else. Also, does anyone get a list of songs that should not be played for a good amout of time because of how it pertained tp Sept. 11! But to disbelief, I found a statsion that went down that exact list and played every song on there. I called in and said I loved them for it.

But my main point, is terror. Now we can beat the terrorists all we want, but you know what, what'll it do? They've won already due to the Americans weakness in their minds and letting them achieving terror struck into us. "Only you can allow yourself to be insulted" was a quote I found and it's true. If you don't have enough power to stay strong then you're just pathetic.

But wait, you say, "Did you see America? They came together majorly and had all this prayer and other mass meetings!" Sure they did, but if you gave then a gun and said we are sending oyu into war againist the Middle East, how many would go? Also, how long did it take for America to go back the exact same way they were before? Not long was it. The whole inciddent almost was forgotten except on military bases, (I go to enough) but when the anniversary of the attack comes up, everyone grabs their lighters and wave them in the air. Sure, it'll last longer than Veteran's Day, but maybe a month at the most! Who even remembers really when pearl Harbor was attack? That day blows by like just another day. I know I'm not the only one that sees this, but if you don't, then fine.

-DAMiEN

I will take a few minutes out of my day to remember what happend on the terrible day (even though I am 1/2 a world away) because I have freinds in the States that have been affected.

Will I however sit and watch endless replay of the towers collapsing on CNN? HELL NO!


Lets just hope Osama hasn't organised a 1 year anniversary attack

Originally posted by Damien
The whole inciddent almost was forgotten except on military bases, (I go to enough) but when the anniversary of the attack comes up, everyone grabs their lighters and wave them in the air

I think you have a screwy perspective on things...

First of all, I don't think too many people just "forgot about it". That's absurd.

2nd of all, isn't that what you would prefer? You're the one who says you couldn't care a less...

Originally posted by ci5ic
2nd of all, isn't that what you would prefer? You're the one who says you couldn't care a less...

:confused:

Alright, not exactly forgotten, but just put into the back of your head like Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, and the Pearl Harbor attack.

To sum up everything, The world would be much better off without hypocrites, taking away 70%-90% of America.

Originally posted by DonCorleone


The difference is that over 5000 people died..... that's a very big number
And watching those 2 huge towers fall was a huge ordeal


Actually it is currently sitting just below 3000, still a lot but, yeah.....

All I'm saying is that you act holier than thou by saying that you couldn't care, and urging other people to do the same, and yet, when people continue on with their lives, you bag on them for it? That is what I find hypocritical...

And you're only insulting people by accusing them of equating september 11th to "Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, and the Pearl Harbor attack". There's a world of difference there, even with the Pearl Harbor reference. Sure, it was a terrible event. But most people (including me and you, and probably even your parents) weren't even alive when it happened. Time lessens the significance of the observances... But, considdering I was alive and aware of the 9/11 events, it has a considderably more profound affect on me than something that happened before I was ever concieved.

Please point out where I bagged other people on that wentt on with their lives?

Oh, nevermind. I get it, I think. Does it deal with the ones that do, then come back and remember it for that one day?

Those days I mentioned mean more than this. Those days represent when we could be under German, Japan, or any other countries rule! We were at war, unlike now where it is "battleship", they attack, then us, then us, then us, then us, then them possible.

So it's basketball, make-it-take-it. What I find hyprocitical is that the people that do get on with their lives come back and act like they've been grieving the whole time.

This has also affected me personally so it's caused somewhat of a grudge and I'm somewhat defensive due to a very bad week. I like opinions though ci5ic! Thanks!

Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi



Actually it is currently sitting just below 3000, still a lot but, yeah.....

oh, my mistake :)
The last time i saw the number was last september, i thought i remembered seeing 5000 dead/missing

I know for sure that they all said it was far worse than pearl harbor, especially since it was all innocent people.

Originally posted by DonCorleone
I know for sure that they all said it was far worse than pearl harbor, especially since it was all innocent people.

As oppose to the people that died at Pearl Harbor......

I thought it was more too Moss? Weird?

My Stars and Stripes is still flying from my patio roof! I'll watch the ceremonies and feel a loss for all the families involved, just like the Oklahoma bombing and other attacks around the world. Killing in the name of their Lord, what a bunch of bullshit!

Unfortunately life goes on...I'll be studying.

Thankfully, as time goes on, the death toll keeps dropping. They now believe that there are a shade over 2,800 victims for the World Trade Center attack (and I'm pretty sure that includes the passengers and crew from both flights, as well as all the NYC Firefighters and Police who died). Combine this with the 189 (that's the most recent figure I've seen) people who died in the Pentagon attack, and the.. I think 45 people who died in the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. There's around 3,050 people all together.

The reason for the difficulty in establishing the final death toll comes from people being listed more than once in employee directories in the WTC and things like that. For example, a female employee gets married, take on her husband's last name, and now has two listings in the directory. The officials continue to find "glitches" like these and weed them out, and as they do so, they are finding that fewer and fewer people were indeed killed.

Kind of.. well, pretty fortunate, in one sense. I think the WTC has the ability to house 50,000 people. Pretty lucky that we squeaked by losing only 2,800. You may remember that on September 11th, initially over 10,000 were feared dead.

The flag in the rear window of my car hasn't left since last September. I have dissed some of the politics of our country since last September 11 (and I, too, hate when people call it nine-one-one). But one thing I don't lose track of is what country I have grown up in, and how I have been given freedoms just because I am. How many people in the world can say that?

I will be hanging flags out of my dorm windows, and on my dorm door for 9/11 to show my appreciation for everything we have fought for and won. Pearl Harbor is somewhat beyond most of us due to age, but this (Sept. 11th) attack on civilians versus an attack on a military base is something no one ever expected. I sure as hell never did, but that constant fear in my head that the U.S. would lose power before I am gone has somewhat come back from the depths of my mind.

But as for me, "I pledge alliegence to the flag of the United States of America; and to the Republic on which it stands; One nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

Originally posted by saturntangerine
I will be hanging flags out of my dorm windows, and on my dorm door for 9/11 to show my appreciation for everything we have fought for and won. Pearl Harbor is somewhat beyond most of us due to age, but this (Sept. 11th) attack on civilians versus an attack on a military base is something no one ever expected. I sure as hell never did, but that constant fear in my head that the U.S. would lose power before I am gone has somewhat come back from the depths of my mind.


Fall of the U.S.A. Ya know, I know the US is the best country there is right now, I just wish they would admit faults. I mean, the Roman Empire was the best there was and look what happened. We have a long ways to live before we can claim greatness.

Alright, I'm not saying they are exact, but we are similar to the Empire. we both are a Republic, both had many different races in our state, and we both spread our influence amongst others.

I don't know, just something I though I should state.

It has been a good day of remembrance, at least for me. I have felt it, gone through everything that day in my head once again, remembered those friends of mine who were thoughtful enough to call and ask me about my family, recalled the President of my company pulling me aside a couple days later to help rationalize why we were attacked, and once again felt strangely empty because I wasn't there with my parents, five miles from ground zero. I hated being some place else, hearing about everything second-hand and not being able to be there, so close to where I grew, to see what was happenening with my own eyes. And I feel this bitter feeling inside, knowing that despite all our efforts to thwart terrorist attacks in the wake of the hijackings that day, that we are still sitting ducks for most forms of additional terrorist activity.

In spite of the cynical anxiety with respect to our still vulnerable state of affairs, it has been good to freshen up the memories, to review what happened, to immerse myself in the stories on the news, and watch all that terrible footage over and over again. Time, once again, to sleep, and put the tragedies of September 11th behind me.

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