Auto design question

Hey, I'm like in awe of how hard it is find things out about this industry so if someone could provide me w/ a link or something i really want to know what sort of training is required to get start a career in the auto design field, and where to get it.
thank ya mucho

you will need good grades in maths and physics (A+) and then you go to a uni/college to study auto design.

uni college?

uni college?


Oh dear.

Where abouts in the world are you?

university/college, maybe?


i'd think that if you watched enough commertcials, you would see some ads on places that can get you a degree on automotive design.

do a google (or yahoo or whatever) search...
you'd be suprised how much info there is

Actually there are just commercials for wyotech and uti and stuff but design schools are different and require special training that those kinds of schools dont provide. Those are for like body work, chassis fabrication, and mechanics. I have heard of some special auto design schools but they are hard to get into and there are only like a handful in the country, since auto design isn't exactly somthing many people do. Lets face it each auto company only has about 200-300 people working on their cars designs. Their are other jobs in that field but just like secretaries and people who take surveys to see which design is the most favorable. So I need to hear from someone who knows more specifically on the subject. So please and thank you to any one who can give me useful info on this.

Most start out as engineers and work their way up to design.

The head of design for ferrari and fiat graduated into design (interview on speed).

Oh dear.

Where abouts in the world are you?
In San Antonio so don't be all lame about it i just never heard the term uni college I always hear trade school.

The head of design for ferrari and fiat graduated into design (interview on speed).

Not entirely related or even relevent to you considering where you are but most automotive design courses I know are post grad courses for those who have done maybe an automotive engineering course or some other possibly related design course like architecture or product design.
These post grad courses don't just deal with the process of general design as your degree would have dealt with this already. Instead, they tend to deal with issues such as technologies, methods, materials, social/ecological issues around designing a car etc etc.

Off the top of my head, the one that comes to mind is the MA as offered by the Royal College of Art.

In San Antonio so don't be all lame about it i just never heard the term uni college I always hear trade school.


So your 18, looking to get into Automotive Design, and you have never heard of a University or a College (different names for the samething)?
You might want to take a pass on the idea for a couple of years, either find a good "trade school", or get a job at your nearest jiffy lube.

So your 18, looking to get into Automotive Design, and you have never heard of a University or a College (different names for the samething)?
You might want to take a pass on the idea for a couple of years, either find a good "trade school", or get a job at your nearest jiffy lube.
hahah...
i'd not recommend jiffy lube...
they scam people.

if you MUST go the route of starting at the ABSOLUTE bottom of the chain, you would be better off to get a job at a local place that can teach you things that you wouldnt learn at a jiffy lube.
however, i'd say your best bet for getting into automotive design would be this:
Not entirely related or even relevent to you considering where you are but most automotive design courses I know are post grad courses for those who have done maybe an automotive engineering course or some other possibly related design course like architecture or product design.
These post grad courses don't just deal with the process of general design as your degree would have dealt with this already. Instead, they tend to deal with issues such as technologies, methods, materials, social/ecological issues around designing a car etc etc.

Off the top of my head, the one that comes to mind is the MA as offered by the Royal College of Art.
that way, you will have a reputable degree, and it wont take you 50 years to get to the top... more like 20

so you know that i'm not just ranting and full of bs,
i am currently at ODU (old dominion) and studying Mechanical Engineering. i hope to minor in automotive engineering or electrical/computer engineering. i am in SAE... (yes thats the same SAE that makes our cars have less power)

if college isnt for you, then there are lots of trade schools or online places, but i dont know how reputable they are. be warned

The SAE that makes our cars have less power! Unrelated to the topic and no offense, but that's discraseful (don't be a tree hugger lol), and I never said I hadn't heard of a college b4 moron :2cents: . If u had been paying attention I said I had never heard the term uni college, and as far as Jiffy lube no thanks I'm a chooser not a beggar like somebdy in this forum. I don't really want to go to a college that makes me take another year of literature and other things I despise, because it isn't that I'm bad at literature and social studies I just hate the fact that I'm putting so much time into something I already know how to do and that I won't be needing a high level of education in for my job. (I'm sure pretty much everyone but jounalists and teachers can get by with high school english). So I would like to go to a school where I will be able to focus on my career, not someone elses. I think straight six hit the nail on the head but I just don't know where any auto design colleges are or what specific course is needed and I don't want a degree in automotive engineering just to find out it has gotten me no more further to my goal. So like I said I'm looking for a more specific route from someone who knows that they know.(preferrably an auto designer if any are on this site).

Oh and P.S. to my other post 99% of auto designers were never grease monkeys unless it was a summer job while they were in high school, so bottom of the chain lol i don't think so. I'm not that poor lol.

I said I had never heard the term uni college.

no one said "uni college" i said uni/college. that's an either/or thing.

Drunken Monkey, Coventry does a course in auto design too.

The SAE that makes our cars have less power! Unrelated to the topic and no offense, but that's discraseful (don't be a tree hugger lol), and I never said I hadn't heard of a college b4 moron :2cents: . If u had been paying attention I said I had never heard the term uni college, and as far as Jiffy lube no thanks I'm a chooser not a beggar like somebdy in this forum. I don't really want to go to a college that makes me take another year of literature and other things I despise, because it isn't that I'm bad at literature and social studies I just hate the fact that I'm putting so much time into something I already know how to do and that I won't be needing a high level of education in for my job. (I'm sure pretty much everyone but jounalists and teachers can get by with high school english). So I would like to go to a school where I will be able to focus on my career, not someone elses.

what?
you seem to have missed the "/" in the post. He typed uni/college as in, uni or college.

You stated that you wanted to do an automotive design course. In case you missed this as well, most automotive design courses are university degree type courses OR MA level post graduate courses, in which case you will need to go to university anyway. THAT is how you get into the design industry on general and unless you fancy working from the bottom up, doing everything else but design things for 10+ years before getting the chance to pick up a pen/pencil/mouse, then education is the way to go.

incidentally, if you think all you do on a design course is make drawings, then you know very little about how things are done. I can tell you now, if your English isn't up to scratch, you won't do well on a design course. If you don't read widely then you won't do well on a design course. If you can't take another year of doing other things if it means getting to do what you want to do later, then you don't want to do it enough. I mean, heck, why on earth should you do that 10,000 dissertation on Social Responsibilties of Design when you could be spending your time drawing?
:rolleyes:


Oh and P.S. to my other post 99% of auto designers were never grease monkeys unless it was a summer job while they were in high school


and i am willing to bet that 99% of those auto designers came out with a university degree (or equivilant) so that doesn't bode well for you not wanting to go to college/university.

Drunken Monkey, Coventry does a course in auto design too.

to be honest, i never looked that far outside london.
also, at the time, i was looking at post-grad courses in London when job hunting got a bit tiresome and The RCA has a reputation (as well as the name....) for Automotive Design as well Product Design (dyson anyone?).

looking over the course, it seems to me that like the architecture degree, it is a general design course with an emphasis on cars (obviously...) and the different technologies involved; essentially, it is a course that teaches you to study, analyse a wide range of issues and areas and how to translate them into a design/product that address those issues, in 2d form and 3d form.

you looking to do this?

to be honest, i never looked that far outside london.
also, at the time, i was looking at post-grad courses in London when job hunting got a bit tiresome and The RCA has a reputation (as well as the name....) for Automotive Design as well Product Design (dyson anyone?).

looking over the course, it seems to me that like the architecture degree, it is a general design course with an emphasis on cars (obviously...) and the different technologies involved; essentially, it is a course that teaches you to study, analyse a wide range of issues and areas and how to translate them into a design/product that address those issues, in 2d form and 3d form.

you looking to do this?

no, a while back i was thinking of doing auto design or motorsport engineering. but i've not decided against that. i'm at the College of North West London doing a course in work on cars, then i'm moving to the US next year to (hopefully) go to UTI in florida to become an auto technician.

i can tell you that design isn't all it is cracked up to be, especially these days.
i have a couple of friends who went on to do automotive engineering and aeronautics and they all tell me that the design people are monkies who don't know what they're doing.

this is going to sound very old man of me but i really do suggest getting into an engineering degre if you can at all help it as it really does make you that more attractive to potential employers. For example, Lotus have a pretty good recruitment program but they want at least a 2:1 prediction.
Then again, you seem to have given this a of thought already and know where you're headed.

i spend a lot of time doing research and stuff before i don anything (it's taken 3 days of about 5-8 hours per day of research to choose my socket sets, looking at a lot of different manufacturers..)

i'm trying to get a job at either Finchley Road Audi or VW, to raise some cahs for the move. i'm going to go to the embassy to try and get US residency and apply for citizenship. then i may have to work for a few years to raise money for the course there. (~£13,000 for the training) and i don't think my parents are supporting me in any way on this so i need to raise money primarily to move there.

my next decision is this: do i want to go into auto tech or diesel tech?

one step at a time laddie.....
like they say, when the time comes, you will know.

my Girlfriend lives in Orlando, Florida. i know.

The SAE that makes our cars have less power! Unrelated to the topic and no ........................heard the term uni college, and as far as Jiffy lube no thanks I'm a chooser not a beggar like somebdy in this forum. I don't really want to ..........................like I said I'm looking for a more specific route from someone who knows that they know.(preferrably an auto designer if any are on this site).



Wow.
Ignorance really is bliss isn't it?

If you continue with your "Im 18, and Im so smart I don't have to study anything" attitude then you will end up working at a jiffy lube for the rest of your life.

If you really, and I mean really, want to get into Automotive design, or for that matter any well paid Automotive job then you need to get of your hollier than thou horse, and come to the realisation that you don't know squat and you need to attend a University or Technical Institute in order to learn enough to get you in the door of a company that will teach you more.
And while at said educational facility you will have to learn other subjects, because a narrow minded edcuation produces a narrow minded individual, and one body wants to employ one of those. Especialy as a designer.

ok, I've read up on it and found some stuff. It seems post grad is the way to go, but what exactly is the requirements for entry to a post grad school. Is it a bachelors degree, and if so what do I need the bachelors degree in? Can I graduate from a trade school so I don't have to take english again?(you can tell I hate writing... if it isn't important). I also know what your going to say to my last comment "all writing's important!!!" well don't cuz it isn't. Half the posts up there aren't important, and as you can see I write rather well anyways. At least I'm not all "euww geiys caint du thiat rite"lol.

my Girlfriend lives in Orlando, Florida. i know.


not what i was talking about.......
auto vs diesel.

[martial arts teacher mode]i would go with automotive technology but that's me from an outsider's point of view. You might think the same right now (or not) but when the time comes to make a proper decision, things might've changed. Then you will know which path to take.[/end martial arts teacher mode]

not what i was talking about.......
auto vs diesel.

[martial arts teacher mode]i would go with automotive technology but that's me from an outsider's point of view. You might think the same right now (or not) but when the time comes to make a proper decision, things might've changed. Then you will know which path to take.[/end martial arts teacher mode]

oops...

i'm leaning more towards auto tech, but i've heard that there's plenty of money to be made in commercail/plant diesel. but i don't know how many places near where i'd be living that i could be employed at. so i'm thinking auto tech is a better option.

ok, I've read up on it and found some stuff. It seems post grad is the way to go, but what exactly is the requirements for entry to a post grad school. Is it a bachelors degree, and if so what do I need the bachelors degree in? Can I graduate from a trade school so I don't have to take english again?(you can tell I hate writing... if it isn't important). I also know what your going to say to my last comment "all writing's important!!!" well don't cuz it isn't. Half the posts up there aren't important, and as you can see I write rather well anyways. At least I'm not all "euww geiys caint du thiat rite"lol.

Are you sure you're 18?
i) English isn't all about spelling and the language and tone of your posts leads me to believe otherwise
ii) If you've found post graduate courses on Automotive Design, then you should also have found the requirements.
iii) as pointed out by the other guy, there are also under graduate Automotive Design courses.

If you actually do some proper research, they will list requirements for their courses. One thing though, all the people i know who have gone on to do any (pure) design course is that they have an art/design background and draw and paint a lot. Got anything of yours to show what you can do at 18 years of age?

and what is this obsession with not taking more english classes?
is that how college university works in the US? - I have no idea how your system works.

one thing though, if the only thing that is stopping you from going on to do a college/university degree is the idea of having to do some english classes, then you might as well stop looking now because if you can't get over this to do something that you want to do, then you obviously don't want to do it enough.

Holy freakin crap ppl love this forum and plz if ur gonna tell me something don't be all pissed off about it, and no saying "I'm not pissed off!" because everybody knows that is just b.s. I'm not trying to be narrow minded it's just that I don't really like writing, everybody has a subject they don't like and mine is english because teachers tell you to write a paper about a limited topic and it has to be however long and then you can't find anything else to say about it. Then you give the teacher the paper and they say it was great and you write so great but it was too short. I'd rather write a good short paper than follow a single topic in circles until I have 5 pages.

FYI I never said I was 18 did I go back and take a quick look, and if that's what my profile says(i just thought about it) I'm sorry my friend made me this profile a while back, I never checked

I'd rather not take english but if that is what it takes I'm game. Plus, another thing, why do the same ppl always respond to my forums?lol (stalkers jk)

eh?
who's pissed off?

your profile says you're 18 unless of course, you lied when you signed up.

if you can't think of more to write about then that is because you don't know enough the thing you are supposed to be writing about.
At degree level, i had to write two 5000 word essays.
At diploma level, i had one 12,000 word essay.

if all you can manage is a short thing then i'd wager that it isn't that good.

and if you don't like teachers :rolleyes: telling you to write stuff, then you sure as hell aren't going to like design tutors telling you that your design is shit.

Hey like I said my friend made me a profile a while back, and you're sounding really pissed off to me or at least you sound like you're trying to piss me off. Well dude have some respect here alright I can write a long paper but I think it brings down your level of writing if you have to write about the same thing and if your writing doesn't suffer it's probably because you used the original topic to go off onto a different topic. For instance, I had to write a character sketch about Captain Ahab from Moby Dick. I could have writin unlimited pages on him if It had sounded like Captain Ahab was an insane man and insanity is a problem that affects roughly 1 out of every 5000 americans. So that is what I mean.
Oh and by the way I asked people to help not hate. All people have said except for like the first two replies is "your ignorant your ignorant" sounding like freakin Michael Jackson. So if everybody could just chill out and not get so offended I'd like to take the opportunity to say that I'm not being ignorant, because I never said I am unwilling to learn english and go to a university, I just dont like it very much. An ignorant person is someone who is unwilling to learn, and tell me again what did I make this post for? TO LEARN.
You guys would make horrible teachers.
P.S.-Alot of my other teachers didn't particularly like english when they were studying either.

as far as I can see, people have been telling you what it takes to get an automotive design course and you have been repeating the same thing about english.
the one who is not listening (or reading as the case is), is you.

so how old are you then?

I'm sorry my friend made me this profile a while back, I never checked


You might want to have a look, because it also lists your phone number.
Don't trust your friends.

16 and I'm just researching it and God knows I'm tired of talking about the "e" word. Who isn't listening by the way I know what people have said I've researched it and people just keep being hostel at me cuz I don't like to write. I'm willing to learn I asked what I need to get accepted into a post-grad school and you seem to be the one not listening. If I got to take that class which I will not mention again in this forum I will in order to get where I want I was wondering if a automotive degree from a trade school would cut it. So if your going to criticise and not answer my question just forget whatever you're about to post. I'd appreciate an answer and constructive criticism if ur gonna give me some respect while you do it. Not say you're ignorant because you don't like writing. Does that sound like respect to you? It doesn't to me. Also remember if your next post doesn't answer my question don't post a thing cuz it's gettin annoying how many senseless circles this has gone in. Plus we're obviously both pretty strong willed and it would keep going on forever. I'm chill here as long as you stop insulting my intelligence.

By the way, I can write alot see.

Dude! You freaked the crap outta me w/ that phone number thing you liar. lol

Hey, I'm like in awe of how hard it is find things out about this industry so if someone could provide me w/ a link or something i really want to know what sort of training is required to get start a career in the auto design field, and where to get it.
thank ya mucho

that is your original post.
so far, i have posted things that go towards telling you what is the recommended route and what to expect and how it might clash with what you like/don't like.

if you are seeing it as insulting it is probably because I cam trying to keep it short and simple for ease of conversation and as such, it will seem curt and perhaps abrasive.
Did I say you were ignorant?
No.
Have I been dispectful?
No.
have i answered your original question?
Yes.
Stop playing up as if you are a victim.

Now for your new question.
You are 16 and wish to get into automotive design.
as pointed out, in the UK, there are a few Automotive Design courses at Degree level, not only at MA level. In the UK, going on to do a degree means that you should have previously completed your A-level of equivilant study (ages 17-18, in order to help you understand). In the US, I believe that equates to what you call college. If you don't get that far, it is unlikely that any University will accept you, especially for such a specialised course.

In the UK, at A-level (college) you choose 3-4 subjects that relate to your interests. In this case, I expect the choices would be maths (maybe both pure and mechanics), physics, Art/Design or Design/technology. In the UK, you don't have to study any other classes apart from those that you choose.
As I asked before, do you have any drawings of yours to show us what you can do now?

From what I gather, in the US, there is a core group of subjects that you have to attend aside from your choices, yes?
If that is the case, then well, tough doodoos, it looks like you will have to do them if you want to do an Automotive Design course at degree level. The MA (post graduate) course isn't an option for you.

In short.
at 16, you need to go to college, concerntrating on maths, physics and art/design.
then depending on how you do you might stand a chance at getting into a university for an Automotive Design Degree.
the Post Grad courses are usually for those who really want to go far after having worked for a few years already developing their professional portfolio.

of course, if you had already done research, you would know this already.



finally, there is a phone number in the profile details, that the mods can see, which was filled out when the account was first signed up.

Post graduate courses vary a lot between universitys and the type of course. You will need to find a couple your interested in to get a rough idea of the sort of degree you need in order to get into one. Then look at doing a degree in that subject, you will only have to worry about what to major in in your second year, and its usualy not to hard to change it in your third year.
As your only 16 you need only get a rough idea now, but the time your 2nd or 3rd year at uni (which is short for university) what ever post grade course you find now will have likely changed at least a little.

The term technical college is not one Im familar with, but if its anything like a technical institute, or polytech as they used to be called, then be wary about doing a degree with them and expecting to get into a post grad degree in a university.
The thing to remember is they are ALL different, and ALL teach to different standards and so have different entrace requirments.


Wether you like writing or not, if you want to study at a tertiary level (university/college/technical institue/trade school etc) then you will have to do lots of it.
There is simply no way around it, and in egineering there will be lots of it.

Fortunalty Iv seen written work by architecture students that was hardly above the level of the average 15 year old, altough I don't know how well they do in the real world, and its pretty obvious they were not taught any literacy skills. But they were third year students, and I know most of them graduated.

Being able to express yourself in a written format is VERY important in the real world, even in design and engineering.
I deal with engineers on a regular basis, if one of them wrote me a proposal, or a quote, or technical diagram with the sort of language you have used in this thread they would not be getting the contract. Regardless of how good they are. If they can't comunicate proffesionaly, then I can't trust them to behave proffesionaly.

In a lot of Tertiary courses you will learn language skills indirectly, but in the more technical courses then its important to learn other subjects as well in order to broadern your education and awareness of the world, and to improve your language skills.
There is no requirment to take English lit, or other language papers, but doing the odd economics or philosophy paper at first year, and even 2nd year will go along way to making you wiser, and better able to present your self to a potential employer, and then your work to a customer.

Fortunalty Iv seen written work by architecture students that was hardly above the level of the average 15 year old

i think i should be offended by this, if only it weren't so true....
by the same token though, the students who do well, tend to be the ones who have the better grasp of the language.

back when i was doing my GCSE's i couldn't for the life of me figure out the usefulness of having to perform speaches and presentations or having to study the language of advertising. I also couldn't see the point of studying about social and cultural issues in history. At university (i did maths, physics and art/design at a level) it occured to me in hindsight, that the english and histroy and the skills that they taught me were more useful than my a-levels in terms of my (ahem) architectural studies.

..... of my (ahem) architectural studies.


Its alright mate, we all make mistakes.

Well it's alittle hard to research this topic i mean not the most popular and I was trying to get my answer as to what I need for a post grad study and thx for answering me. But for reals you were insulting my intelligence and saying i was close minded and that i didn't want it bad enough. Didn't apprieciate it.

P.S.- how do u close a forum this is like the fastest grown forum on the entire site lol. I bet I'm in the top ten hottest threads on here.

I was trying to get my answer as to what I need for a post grad study

ok.
i regret ever mentioning the post grad course.
I only mentioned that because it was the first thing that came to mind as I was looking into it and it was in my area.
YOU don't need to look at this because

i) you haven't even gotten into college yet so you won't need to look at something that is 2 steps away and at least 5-6 years in the future.
ii) there are under graduate courses in automotive design as well.

and don't give any rubbish about this being a hard subject to research; just googling Automotive Design Courses i pulled up every course that is available in universities in the UK. Even if you don't get any courses near you you will still be able to find out the prefered subjects and prefered route to get onto these courses.

P.S.- how do u close a forum this is like the fastest grown forum on the entire site lol. I bet I'm in the top ten hottest threads on here.

mods have the power to close/lock threads.
and no, this isn't the fastest growing thread so don't get any illusions of grandeur over this.

look, the way you are going to need to do this if you want to get into auto design is, like i said earlier, to go to a UNIVERSITY, or COLLEGE (i avoided that uni college thing that seems to be so confusing to you) and get a degree in mechanical engineering, automotive engineering, or a tech version of either one. once you have started on this this, try getting an internship over the summers while you are still in school. that way you will gain experience, and learn more about the field. you can get a BS from most places in 4 years. if u want u can get a masters, but it isnt necessary (especially if u hate writing). with any luck, a degree and 4 years experience, u should b able 2 land a job.
joining clubs helps too...
like i said, i am in SAE, which is good b/c they will write recomendations 4 u.

sorry bout my typing but i broke my arm and left hand last nite...
hard 2 type.

I thought getting a masters in auto design is required to go into auto design. I mean if i don't get a masters in that then all I have is a degree in automotive engineering, which isn't exactly auto design. So I was also wondering if i got my bachelors in auto enginering were u saying that i could get an internship w/ people at a design facility? Also, if I did that then could that get me into a design job as well?

I thought getting a masters in auto design is required to go into auto design. I mean if i don't get a masters in that then all I have is a degree in automotive engineering, which isn't exactly auto design. So I was also wondering if i got my bachelors in auto enginering were u saying that i could get an internship w/ people at a design facility? Also, if I did that then could that get me into a design job as well?

i repeat: there are automotive design courses at under graduate level.

oh by the way This threads been up for how many days and had 43 views and 180sumthin views I'm pretty sure it's at least one of the fastest growing threads. Also, yeah it's a pretty hard subject to research I did find some stuff on post grad courses in Italy but I don't live in Italy and don't really plan on it either, I did e-mail them for some information on it though so hopefully they will get back to me soon. I would really like to learn more about where I can take an undergraduate course in auto design. I really find all of these post grad, college, university, trade school things confusing lol. Man they need to make getting a better education simplier. Like take this this and this and u'll be able to do this. Finding out information on the couses is half the work of the courses themselves. lol I dunno maybe it's just me... I know I know "it is".

oh by the way This threads been up for how many days and had 43 views and 180sumthin views I'm pretty sure it's at least one of the fastest growing threads.

what the hell do you think this is? an extension of your [most probably small] penis?

it's a discussion. and it's not even remotely a "fast growing thread" you are such a newbie. no one except trolls and post whores cares about posts and "thread speed" because it's irrelevant. the point of a thred here is to gather and share information on a certain subject. not be the big dick about who has the biggest thread. it's sad and pathetic that you think you're oh-so-fucking-special because YOU think you have a fast growing thread.

what's more, you're moronic because you complain about the distinct lack of information. and that's because you didn't do ANY research prior to making this thread. if you went on to google, or even some university or college websites and searched for auto design you'd have found an abundance of information on the subject. but instead, you're lazy any you just say there's nothing out there about it.

grow up. there's a 13-year-old minimum age to join AF.

I really find all of these post grad, college, university, trade school things confusing lol. Man they need to make getting a better education simplier. Like take this this and this and u'll be able to do this. Finding out information on the couses is half the work of the courses themselves.

er, no.
that is how they work.
if you want to do course x then you need to have a background in subjects a, b and c.
the simple fact that you do not know simply goes to show how little you know.
you mentioned something about insulting your intelligence. I can now tell you that isn't true at all; there is no intelligence to insult.
Are you sure you're 16?
I would've thought that at that age, your teachers would've already pointed you in the direction regarding college options, your possible choices of subjects and what they mean in terms of university courses and possible future.
If you don't know by 16, you really have no hope.

put it this way, at 16, in the UK you would've/should've finished your GCSEs and would've already, considering this time of year be about to, if you haven't already, start on your A-levels or equivilant. In other words, you already know what you want to do at university and have chosen subjects to suit.

If that doesn't happen in the US, then my opinion of the education system has just gone down. Can any realy 16-18 year olds shed some light about the college subject decision making process and what you did at 16 years of age?

by the way, mention the number of views, speed of growth or posts in this thread one more time and I am going to ban you.

apprently at "16" he's a "bad ass drifter" too..:rolleyes:

i think he means Gran Turismo drifter.

i know. funny how he thinks so much of himself though.

he has a lot to learn..

the other day, my teacher told me to stop answering questions because i'm too good..

congrats on the purple by the way; now you have added responsibilty to answer questions properly here.
incidentally, do you do much cad work?
if so what programs are you using?
i really need to build a proper non-architecture design portfolio and while i can knock out most things in autocad pretty easily, it would be nice to know automotive people use.
My friend at Honda told me about this program that is more or less autocad for cars (name escapes me) and has basic models/behaviours/systems already in the program like 3Dmax does (obviously with room for tweaking parameters). You getting to touch any of that sort of thing?

congrats on the purple by the way; now you have added responsibilty to answer questions properly here.
incidentally, do you do much cad work?
if so what programs are you using?
i really need to build a proper non-architecture design portfolio and while i can knock out most things in autocad pretty easily, it would be nice to know automotive people use.
My friend at Honda told me about this program that is more or less autocad for cars (name escapes me) and has basic models/behaviours/systems already in the program like 3Dmax does (obviously with room for tweaking parameters). You getting to touch any of that sort of thing?

thanks, i know. i'll get serious soon.

i can't say i know a lot about CAD, however i have a magazine that i think has a write-up on one of the programs used for it.

i might be using CAD in my machine class at some point, as we have a CNC machine at college, and my teacher worked for british aerospace and worked with CNC gear. i'll find the name of the other programs out there, i'm sure someone at college will have the answer. well, i hope.