3.5l stealth/vr-4

i was wondering if anyone has ever thought of putting a 3.5l chriysler engine into a stealth or vr-4, the engine has 250hp n/a, if it were charged, it could compete with the new gtr, and maybe the new supra, I think dodge or mitsubishi should look into bringing it back. What does everyone else think, a 3.5l 6cyl, awd, aws, 2+2, the gtr is coming to america, the supra is making a return, mazda still has the rx series plate, and I just feel that those types of cars would make for not only some interesting mag articles. it would be nice, it's like we're stuck without a new version of what we proudly own. what do you think

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It's been done, except with the 3.5l montero engine. It's actually pretty simple, and you can't really tell the difference especially if you use the 3000 plenum instead of the 3500. A bit faster, yes, more torque, yes, but in my oh-so-humble opinion, I'd just get a TT DOHC.

i own a 92 stealth r/t tt, white beautiful car, but i thought it would be nice if it were brought back to compete with the new cars that used to be in its class, don't you

I hate to say this, but the truth is that the 3000GT will never be coming back. And even if it did, I'm not sure if many people would be that interested. I'm almost positive they'd end up using some crappy mivec engine, and it would weigh even more than it does now. Plus, take a look at all the newer generation cars that are coming out. GT-R = GT-needs-to-go-on-a-diet, there will not be a new Supra coming out, and the RX-8 has too many doors and not enough horses.

Cool idea? Yes. But unless Mitsubishi started exactly where they left off, I highly doubt that many enthusiasts would buy one, other than to say "I have a new 3000GT".

Ahh the new guy with the bring back the 3000gt post.

they wont bring back the 3000, and its better that way. Whenever a new version comes out, it takes away some of the exclusivity and allure of the old ones.

anyway...on the 3.5L swap, theres many obvious benefits and a few downfalls. The only bad thing i can think of, other than the work, is that im pretty sure that it has a lower redline due to the longer stroke. But its been done and theres a few threads on it. Do a search man.

I agree, I hope they do not make the 3/S agian. Although I would be damn curious to see what it looks like. lol

As far as the 3.5L swap, meh I'd stick with how you are or go TT. Although, isn't there rumor of a 3.7l stroker that may be expected to break another ET time.

there will not be a new Supra coming out, and the RX-8 has too many doors and not enough horses.



where have you been the last year and a half? there is a new supra coming out, and there have been many spy photos out there as well. it's supposed to have a v10 engine in it. and I heard about 2 years ago that mazda is going to be coming out with the rx-7 again. working for an auto insurance company does have it's advantages :)

^^ But I thought the Supra was going to have a 6 and an 8 cyl option. I dont think I heard of the 10cyl option. Although I have also seen that rx-7, it is damn sexy.

Report: No new Supra; IS convertible delayed; New SC in 2008? (http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/08/15/report-no-new-supra-is-convertible-delayed-new-sc-in-2008/)


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There will not be a new Toyota Supra, according to trade publication Automotive News. "All the rumors of the two-passenger sports car's return are false," a new report says. Instead, it looks like the Lexus LF-A will be Toyota's only supercar (pictured). The publication also said Toyota has delayed the launch of the Lexus IS convertible, because there were concerns over its competitiveness. Originally slated to debut alongside the IS coupe, the cabriolet may now be delayed until 2008. Lastly, the report indicates a successor to the Lexus SC 430 will arrive in 2008, using the IS/GS platform and a 4.6-liter V8. It will apparently feature "proportions and stance similar to those of a BMW 6 series."

um, idk, i think the lfe looks kinda like wat a new supra would look like, but hell idk i don't really like em, my friend does, i love the gtr, and they don't have to go on a diet, chevy will shit itself along with dodge wen they gtr hits american tracks and tracks around the world, i do however think the gtr is a little heavy, but so is every other car in it's class. and there's a new commercial on tv, saw it today during the road america race, mazda rx-7 concept was on a poster on the wall of the guys garage hallway. The rx-8 has justs as much power as the rx-7, just a lack of torque. but i still think a new stealth would be something cool, especially wen i just lost a race to a fricken civic, and yes mine is a tt

Yes chevy and dodge will shit themselves when a car comes out that cant compete with the z06 or the viper...........

Hell the new GTR will probably have trouble keeping up with the new camaro and challenger.

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Hell I wish they would make a new 3000gt, just wish it was based on the same engine and came stock with the 3.7 stroker kit from Ray pampina, and was 10sec stock....................... oh well we can all dream..................

I'm not saying that the GT-R is fat, just that the slimness of older sports cars has died out. New "sports" cars are required to have an all leather interior, nav system, bose surround sound, more airbags than passengers, 18" chrome rims w/low profile tires, and they come in automatics. A classic example of a true sports car is the old Miata. I hate to say it, but they have almost everything right. Cloth interior, radio, no power steering, lightweight, rwd, and very fun to drive. With the current trend, I can only see sports cars getting bigger and bigger. Hell, the 3000GT is a lightweight compared to the newer cars. The new Camaro looks huge, as does the Challenger, and while I respect the styling from the 70's...it was the 70's. Times have changed, but apparently US cars havn't.

Also, when did Japanese sports cars need more than 6 cylinders to do the job? A V10? In a Supra? What are they thinking? The old supras had the bulletproof 2JZ, inline 6 that demolishes almost all competition. Why tack on 4 more cylinders just to be able to beat a Viper? I want the old cars back.

i wonder whats gonna happen 50 years from now if people want a lightweight, inexpensive auto-x car or a track rat? you can get an old gti, civics, miatas and all sorts of cars today taht are fairly affordable but when the cars become classics or go extinct it'll be hard to get them in the distant future. our parents' iconic go-fast toys were big muscle cars, for many of us we will look back fondly on our japanese cars as the iconic cars of our generation. I wonder what our children will end up having as their icono-car?

i say we just find a useless sl, which is still respectable, and we rip the engine and trans out, and build a one off concept, you're getting the same body, so it'll still be desired, and if not the same body, fiberglass the panels so that it's lighter. make about 400hp, and it would sell, even if dodge came out with a concept like that, it wouldn't undermine the viper.

our childrens icon car, is still gonna a vette or viper or something to that effect, vette's been going 50= years, u think its gonna stop now, the camaro and challenger are huge, i saw them both at the nyc auto show in april. the challenger was an actuall working concept, they had a car show do a test of it. and most sports cars today are manual, altho i just won 10g off a vette, every vette at the dealer was an auto. vipers are only 6spd, bentlys aren't ment to go fast, they are LUXERY sports cars, what kind of luxery is it to have to shift it yourself. my stealth has leather, most cars do, even the porsche that i have has leather, and thats from 1979, the only advantage clothe has, not sweating ur ass off in the summer, or freezing in the winter. airbags are for safty, in a sports car, i'd rather have more bags than passengers. and in 50yrs auto-x is gonna b different, cars like the solstice and sky are going to be just as cheap as a 10yr old miata. btw they have make a little more power in that car, the mx-5 top of the line has only 177, if it made 220 or more, it would sell like hot cakes, especially to the racers that car afford it brand new. if the stealth/3000 weren't so expensive i'd race them, but in 20yrs, i don't doubt that their value is gonna go up, even according to insurance companies. they'll be collectibles, not like a hemi tho

unfortunately theres a reason for the trend. Theres not much market for a pure sports car in the US anymore. Sure, almost everyone wants performance, but theyre not willing to sacrifice their luxuries and rear doors.

Pure sports cars...theres the vette, viper...ford gt (not that its affordable), and the 06 supercharged cobalt (to some extent). thats really all i can think of for american cars. The ideal (affordable) sports car, IMO, would probably be a Lotus Exige Sport. Like an Elise, but more power. It has everything you need, and nothing you dont. You can even get a radio (not available in the Elise).

What the Japs need to do, is take the technology from the STi and the Evo, where they're getting more than 300hp from an inline 4, and put it into a lower, lighter, more aerodynamic 2-dr package.

But what do we know, were just the consumer :rolleyes:

well, what about panoz, they are made in atlanta and use the ford 427, and i just got an email from gerald wiegert, owner of vector, he has a new car with an american engine and design. i do agree that the japanesse need to take tecnology from the sti or evo and put it in a small light aerodynamic car. but i feel if they did that it would end up being a front engine version of the mr2/mrS, if you get a turbo mr2 it can up to 245hp stock. i think the only continent with power and aero going into the cars is europe, and we all know nothing great is cheap from there, the boxter is 50g, if i'm spending that, i'll get a vette, the 911 i'll take over almost any car out there now. but the us and japan needs to work some nice "sports" cars into the lineup

gerald wiegert....as in....Wiegert Vector W8???

and yes, the esperante is badass. No chance of ever affording either of those, though:icon16:

our childrens icon car, is still gonna a vette or viper or something to that effect, vette's been going 50= years, u think its gonna stop now, the camaro and challenger are huge, i saw them both at the nyc auto show in april.

when i say icono-car, i mean the car that was the icon of our youth such as civics, eclipses, gti's, etc. or in many of our cases the 3/s. the cars we will look back on in our youth and have fond memories of and the cars that defined our generation. a corvette may be our children's idol but not nearly their icon... unless the world of the future is friggin awesome and we can all own one :D

No new "sports cars" that are cheep and light? How about the solstice, sky, and miata.

Those are some of the few true sports cars left, though.

wen i think of "sports cars" i tend to follow ferrari's older thoughts, u and the car, no radio, u the engine and the road. and i dont think of civics as a car i'll member in 20yrs, and if i do, i'll think of it getting you 40mpg, which by then will be a small amount. i think the sky is the better car in the group of sky/solstice/miata, but in terms of all out sportyness, the miata takes it

wen i think of "sports cars" i tend to follow ferrari's older thoughts, u and the car, no radio, u the engine and the road. and i dont think of civics as a car i'll member in 20yrs, and if i do, i'll think of it getting you 40mpg, which by then will be a small amount. i think the sky is the better car in the group of sky/solstice/miata, but in terms of all out sportyness, the miata takes it


I like how this is what you think of when you think sports cars, and you say that is what you want. However what did you buy? A 3800lb 2+2 car with leather and a nice radio.

yea, but neway the radio doesn't work so i dont care about that, yes i have to say the car could be lighter, but considering i know a few people that own molding machines, i am having the body panels formed in fiberglass, and taking the interior out so that i can race it and have the roll cage in it, so the car will be much lighter, and much more of a sports car. also i'm just saying that no radio and having no luxery's is the purest form of a sports car, think the 911 is a 2+2 along with leather and many other luxery's, there are alot of different meaning to the phrase sports car, even ferrari has cars that don't fit your definition, actually come to think of it, none of them fit that, niether does porsche, corvette, viper, ferrari, LOTUS, lamborghini, pagani, the new miata, the sky, solstice, by your deffinition the cars that fit the desription are good old dodge neons and chevrolet caviliers, and if you think they are sports cars, than a cobalt ss must be the supercar of your fantasies. face it if you built a car that was bare bones power and had no luxeries, it wouldn't sell, no one would want it, everyone would wanna drive it, but buy it, i think not. u want sports cars go back to the 60's and buy a muscle car, they are the only sports cars. and yes ferrari had leather back then

i think a car with no interior, luxuries or radio is a called a race car. a sports car is something else imo. but then, sports car is a very grey term that varies greatly from person to person but in my own opinion, a sports car is something that should look, sound, feel and be a fun car to drive.

i think calling muscle cars sports cars is little bit of a stretch but i can't quite say why. they just dont have the same feel about them as any other car that i would call a sports car.

and its not tru that if a car was built on a bare bones ideology that it wouldnt sell. the elise had optional floormats, i think thats about it for the luxuries list, and obviously plenty of people buy them.

muscle cars are not sports cars because they are muscle cars. A sports car needs a certain amout or handling. Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines "sports car" below;

sports car
One entry found for sports car.


Main Entry: sports car
Function: noun
: a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving

yea, but neway the radio doesn't work so i dont care about that, yes i have to say the car could be lighter, but considering i know a few people that own molding machines, i am having the body panels formed in fiberglass, and taking the interior out so that i can race it and have the roll cage in it, so the car will be much lighter, and much more of a sports car. also i'm just saying that no radio and having no luxery's is the purest form of a sports car, think the 911 is a 2+2 along with leather and many other luxery's, there are alot of different meaning to the phrase sports car, even ferrari has cars that don't fit your definition, actually come to think of it, none of them fit that, niether does porsche, corvette, viper, ferrari, LOTUS, lamborghini, pagani, the new miata, the sky, solstice, by your deffinition the cars that fit the desription are good old dodge neons and chevrolet caviliers, and if you think they are sports cars, than a cobalt ss must be the supercar of your fantasies. face it if you built a car that was bare bones power and had no luxeries, it wouldn't sell, no one would want it, everyone would wanna drive it, but buy it, i think not. u want sports cars go back to the 60's and buy a muscle car, they are the only sports cars. and yes ferrari had leather back then

Not my deffinition, your deffinition. I never said thats what I wanted, I dont want a stripped down car. If I wanted a lightwieght, cheep, AWD car that was easy to mod I deffinatly wouldnt have picked a 3S. the obvious choice is the DSM.

ok, so then rule out muscle cars, btw, shelby gt350, were sports not muscle cars, they were designed to race, good handling for the time, also rule out any eco cars ie: neons, cobalt, except ss, basicly something that cost more than 25g brand new, cause face it the miata base model isn't built for speed, driven one personally, i don't think it's great, has a strong engine tho. and by me saying no interior i mean no leather, just cloth, make the car as light as possible, no radio, manual seats not power, no power steering, no convt versions, motor adds wieght, i'd say aim for the best power to weight ratio.

No one would buy a car like that, and almost no one would drive a car like that anywhere but a race track. So there is no reason for a company to make anything like that.

What you want is a kit car, I would sugest this.
http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/GTM/GTMkit.html

weighs in around 2300 lbs and takes a GM LS series motor.

i'm not saying the porsche is my ideal sports car, i'd take something like a 355, light, agile, and quike. but i'm very happy with my stealth, yea it's a heavy car, but i dont care, if i'm going to spend 10g or so on a sports car, i'll be happy with what i get. the most ideal sports car i could name from history would be a ferrari 330, it's light and quike, it can still beat lap times of a 911 gt3 around laguna seca. and if no one would buy that car, then y is mosler in business, the owners motto is weight is the enemy, i believe that's the same as mclaren had, people will buy it, it just wouldn't be used for everyday driving. the solstice has no a/c or heat, no radio, look it up, those are all options on it, thats y its cheaper than the sky, the solstice mighht grab a different group of people, never say no one will buy that, it wouldn't exist if no one would buy it, it's logic, it would end up as a loss of profit to the company

i'm not saying the porsche is my ideal sports car, i'd take something like a 355, light, agile, and quike. but i'm very happy with my stealth, yea it's a heavy car, but i dont care, if i'm going to spend 10g or so on a sports car, i'll be happy with what i get. the most ideal sports car i could name from history would be a ferrari 330, it's light and quike, it can still beat lap times of a 911 gt3 around laguna seca. and if no one would buy that car, then y is mosler in business, the owners motto is weight is the enemy, i believe that's the same as mclaren had, people will buy it, it just wouldn't be used for everyday driving. the solstice has no a/c or heat, no radio, look it up, those are all options on it, thats y its cheaper than the sky, the solstice mighht grab a different group of people, never say no one will buy that, it wouldn't exist if no one would buy it, it's logic, it would end up as a loss of profit to the company

Im sure those are options, but I bet its harder to get it without those options than with them.

just get an ariel atom. I would get one in a second if i lived in a more moderate climate (and had the money, garage, and daily driver car for when its raining) lol

exactly my thoughts, although I wouldnt buy one even if I had the extra money.

areil sounds good, and the solstice yea, it is probably hard to find one without those options, they aren't options on the mosler

Saturn Sky FTW.

http://www.dragsource.com/articles/saturnsky.jpg

^ love the looks of that car. I was reading good things about the sky in Road & Track. Something about awesome handling, near 50/50 weight distribution....

and damn cheap for the performance, in redline trim it has 260hp, and is only 30g, it's nice i was considering buying one, but found out they are on a limit run for the first yr, also thought that the 2nd year they mite have changed small problems that mite cause complaints, so another yr and a half till i have one

Meh sorry but that car looks like somthing a woman/gay guy would own, I can't even beleive that we the people who own 3/S would even consider that thing, and FYI, for that kind of money US I would be looking at moding a EVO which will then kill that car, stab it right in the hart in fact.......................

Is there a better way of conveying I'm f-ing sick of people using the term 'gay' to refer to something they don't like. I thought I'd made it abundantly clear. :dunno: I thought the average member had the basic reading comprehension skills necessary to derive the notion that I would prefer people to exercise their vocabulary and find a better-suited adjective to describe their dislike for a piece of engineering they don't particularly care for.

That being said, I'm pretty sure the topic of putting a 3.5L engine into a 3S has been covered about as many times as ESPN has mentioned Barry Bonds allegedly take 'roids. So, as this thread has lead to absolutely nothing but a waste of time, I'm closing it.

Yogs or Young, please feel free to reopen it if you feel differently.