american engine all the way

We all know that in stock form the b series motors have more hp and all that. but what they do not tell you is that how in the hell if your b series motor breaks down how in the hell are you going to be able to find parts to fix it. they do not usually part out b series motors your only other option is to order straight from japan and good luck not to mention trying to pass smog. American d series all the way. average price of a b16a install is 3000k average price of a d series z6 or y8 1-1500k and just emagine what you can do with the extra 2k turbo supercharger nos a heap lot of bolt ons come on guys. and 400+ on mounts thats intake and exaust and a little more right there. I really think b series motors are overate and over priced. and another little tid bit jdm law requires engines to be recycled so to speak at 30000 miles if that is the only life the engine is going to get you better believe they are running the living piss out of them. Usdm all the way and thats my final answer.
ps granted there are usdm versions of the b16 b18 but good luck on getting one. and another thing have you ever heard of someone parting out a b series motor no not really or rarely is the correct answer

Damn good point, but the "hey look what I got" effect goes a long way.

I'd love to have a b16 a or b, just because, even though I could probably get as much horse for less dollar...but that redline (I'm getting goosepimples just thinking about it)...you won't see a usdm engine capable of 9k RPM.

sure i have are good friends are jet and apexi call rev limit reajustment or removal hehehehehehehehezooooooooooooooooom

Originally posted by DRCustom
you won't see a usdm engine capable of 9k RPM.

S2000 has a 9k rpm redline, 120hp per liter, NA.

As for the whole B series thing. The D series engines are great in their own way, but B series engines have more potential thanks to that extra cam. I would still take a D series though just because it's more of a challenge to make big HP.

i really like the way you think brotha you know your cars i replyed to one of your replys on someone elses post about the nissan j20 and rwd and you are pretty much right except wieght and handling are also factors in a car

Originally posted by Marc-OS


S2000 has a 9k rpm redline, 120hp per liter, NA.

As for the whole B series thing. The D series engines are great in their own way, but B series engines have more potential thanks to that extra cam. I would still take a D series though just because it's more of a challenge to make big HP.

My mistake not specifying D series (didn't think I had to since that's what we were talking about) when I said USDM. The S2k has a not a D, or B series, but who's swapping those motors?
Either way, with as much as you'd spend, you may be able to redo a D series to handle 9k.

Challenge yourself all you want, but you'll have a hard time getting a D series to compete with a B series with reliability -and- hp.

BTW, full B16a swap, is well under 2k, your getting ripped for 3k.

Originally posted by DRCustom
BTW, full B16a swap, is well under 2k, your getting ripped for 3k.
maybe if you do it yourself a full swap costs around 1300 dollors not including shipping or mounts and if a reputable shop is doing the install expect to pay 1k check around the net see what people are charging best price I can get on a b16a installed is 2500 and thats because my good friend owns the speed shop and thats his cost.

It depends on what generation b16. the 1st will go for about 2k and the 2nd gen will cost about 3 thousand. I also realize the potential in a d16 and it would be fun to build it up, but i would take the b16 over the d16 any day. And about the unavailability of parts, most b-series parts are interchangeable. So if you b16 timing belt needs replacing, get one for the USDM b16a2. And if others go wrong, like internals, you can always upgrade to type-r or etc. And this JDM thing is getting popular, so the availability is getting better too.

Parts are really easy to get for a bseries motor since most of parts are the same for USDM b series motors except for a few here and there. You just have to know what parts to look for. I have passed emissions with my b16a pretty easily. I spent about 3k on the swap but I replaced alot of parts including:

New stage 1 hybrid axles
new stage 1 clutch
radiator
crank and alternator pulleys
water pump
timing belt
thermostat
all new hoses
plugs and wires
cap and rotor
oil pan gasket
valve cover gasket
new throttle cable

Maybe it is true that they run their motors hard but the one I have must not. It is in really good shape internally and runs like a champ. US b series motors are pretty easy to find. You can find the b18a/b or even a b18c1 at your local junkyard. Nippon Motors sells US b series motors as well. Before you go around saying b series motors are not all that get your facts straight and make an educated comparison;)

Ya, everyone I know does thier own swaps.

The place people I know get them from charges 1150 for a b16a.

I'm not sure how much shipping is, and yes, you still have to get mounts.

I've heard about 2500 installed also.

If I had the chance (I meant he money), I wouldn't hesitate on a b series swap.

You may be spending more for a b series, but you're getting alot more than some extra hp. The higher redline essentially makes the car faster (the same sized d series, with the same amount of hp, would lose to a b series), because it uses the torque more efficently. Not to mention that when shifted at redline, the b series trannys are setup to fall just into vtec.

The d series motor was made to be an all around motor, where as the b series that are in question were made for acceleration.

lol I would kill to have a b16a swapped into my car for $2500.... in Kansas its just not happening. I got quoted twice that to swap a b16a in my car. If it did cost $2500-3000 I would already have one in my car.... The truth is the cheapest I have found the swap in my area is $4300. Maybe I will drive to cali and have them swap it in then drive back. Or maybe I will just stick with the plan and swap in the SOHC vtec :devil:

Ok i'm kinda getting sick of this d vs. b series rivalry here. Know this and this all u need to know. D-series is nothing compared to b-series. B-series is a much better motor. Hey i bought my motor with trans and ecu for 1087 after tax. Where? A place called Eric Of Japan. The whole swap cost me a lil over 1600 and close 1700. Who cares if the motor is beatin up? I sure don't. Why? Cause i'm gonna build it up anyways and i'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks that. It does get annoying when ppl say "everyone and there moms have b16" Well i can say the same about us honda owners...rite?:rolleyes: Its not what u have...its what u've done with it. I know ppl sayin that oh don't go b-series with that money u can get a sohc v-tec with turbo blah blah blah. You can only go so far with sohc. To the newbies if u wanna swap go b-series thats it. IF your on low budget ...then save up. Thats what i did. Better late than never.

Originally posted by mellowboy
. You can only go so far with sohc.



i agree w evrything but that
450 WHP is doable on a D motor
granted its hightly boosted
but its doable
ive seen 10 sec D series
but it takes a lil more $$ to get it there

Originally posted by dropshop





but it takes a lil more $$ to get it there

I definatley agree on that. Seriously man turbo is really hard to maintain and its gonna cost you even more. Tell me if i'm rite or wrong?

Originally posted by mellowboy


I definatley agree on that. Seriously man turbo is really hard to maintain and its gonna cost you even more. Tell me if i'm rite or wrong?

WRONG maintenance of a turbo is nil
i havent touched mine in the year its been on the car
and turbos can be had cheep and put on cheep

there is no extra maintenace than an NA motor
change oil, tranny fliud and coolant regularly,
check plugs and wires every30k
and yer done just like any other motor

My friend has fully built gsr motor and he convinced me to go NA. He's having lots of problems with his. Hes capable of running 20-22 lbs of boost but he can cause he has to reprogram his ecu. He just keeps getting worried that it'll mess up on him one day. His bro have the same set up and he's goin through the same shit. Ask anyone that a NA is much easier to maintain than turbo. U have to keep babying the turbo.

Your turbo may still work now, but without the extra TLC that a turbo engine needs, it won't last long if you keep treating it like an NA motor.

The B series motors are definitely better all around.
Theres alot more differences than just DOHC and VTEC, it's an entirely different beast compared to the D series.

Oh yeah, cheap isn't spelled cheep.

Originally posted by DRCustom


The B series motors are definitely better all around.
Theres alot more differences than just DOHC and VTEC, it's an entirely different beast compared to the D series.



that is all personal opinion. i can easily sit here and say the d series is all around better.

lets take the same amount of money and see who gets further. it's all about money. period. you say save the money for a b series. so some scrimps and saves and then drops it in. you want to turbo that b series? hahaha, now you're scrimping and saving again. scratch the turbo. so you think about rebuilding bigger. you tell me what parts (for any kind of rebuild job) for a b series that are going to be cheaper.

price any aftermarket part for a b & d series and tell me d is more expensive.

now lets get to the real killer. assuming you do your own swaps at this point....save up for that b series, drop it in, and then god forbid you blow it up. now what are you going to do? save again for another?

i blow up my d series (v-tec or non) and i laugh. throw it in gutter, go buy another. $250-500 (depending on vtec or not) and in 7 hrs of play time and i'm up and running again...and don't forget every last one of my aftermarket parts (including turbo) is universal to d series.

ami

this issue has gone too far =] d = cheaper more compatible and the better choice to about 180 hp b= more expensive, more complicated to get in and working, but has more potential. As for turbo's, you all are saying they need more care, but name the one extra thing you have to do maintenance wise to keep it running perfectly. NOTHING and the guy with the gsr pushing 22psi is causing problems by pushing his b series that far, it would be the same if he went NA and put in 12.5 comp pistons.

First of all Landynred, I think ur listening to just a little bit too much Eazy E. As for this whole B vs D, I dont have a clue, cause Im still learning. All I know is that most ppl around where i live have got ricey ass mustangs, camaros, and way too many gay sunfires, and they would all be super impressed and easily destroyed by a B16A with just I/E/H, so thats y im doin the swap. Plus its only gonna cost my $2k to get it installed. I think that both r great engines, it just depends on how patient u r: im very impatient and dont wanna waste time and money on an engine thats only gonna give me like +20 hp. But thats just me, im stupid, young (only 17), and i wanna kick ass now. Thats y im goin B. Well thats all, hope my crap makes a least some sense.

I agree that dollar for dollar, you may have a point, but that's still debateable. Taking your turbo into account, your D series cost close to, if not more than a B series. A well built B series will outlast your boosted, stock, D series, so in the long run (a few d's later), who wins? Not to mention that's time the B series is out having a good time, while you're in the garage getting greasy.
There are also the benefits of having a NA motor.

It's not only a matter of opinion (unless your pocketbook has something to say about it) when it come to quality. The b16a was designed for abuse, and to have NA output comparabe to a motor with turbo. Everything about the motor is built with hell in mind. The d16 was also built for some hard driving, but not all out like the b16a.

There are a few differences that clearly set the B series apart from the D series, and the tranny is undenyably better in the B series.
Here is some info about the b16a, it is being compared to a ZC...

"The Block construction is very well engineered. With the better block webbing and the combination of the transaxle webbing, and bottom end construction - this engine is well within abilities of 9000 rpm on the stock bottom end. Oil passage ways well support this engine and have room to sustain the higher rpm's. Water passage inlet and outlet and passageways are somewhat larger also to efficienty assist in cooling the engine. The Clutch Diameter is larger, with the Mating Engine and Transaxle Bell Housings larger than similarly equipped 1.6l Honda models to incorporate the larger clutch kit and flywheel.

The Head is a unique build alltogether. Suporting a unique, Honda Engineered, Variable Timing System...","...The valvetrain within the B16A head is an entire redesign of the DOHC valvetrain of the previous 1.6l DOHC ZC engine. Valves are larger, ports more generous, Head and Manifold combinations are designed for high-rpm, high throttle response, and with acceleration in mind...","...The aluminum cylinder block is a closed-deck, deep-skirt design for high rigidity. The transmission side of the block is heavily reinforced to improve total powerplant stiffness. Iron liners are cast in the block. The forged steel crankshaft carries eight counterweights, its journals are finely polished, and it is supported by mirror-finished main bearings. The crankshaft is fitted with a torsional damper within the accessory drive pulley. Lightweight pistons and connecting rods are used in the new engine; the insides of the former are oil-jet cooled. Camshafts are of Honda's new cast steel alloy with high carbon and chromium contents. Valves are also of new heat-resistant alloy with molybdenum and titanium additions..."

Originally posted by LadyNRedSi


that is all personal opinion. i can easily sit here and say the d series is all around better.

lets take the same amount of money and see who gets further. it's all about money. period. you say save the money for a b series. so some scrimps and saves and then drops it in. you want to turbo that b series? hahaha, now you're scrimping and saving again. scratch the turbo. so you think about rebuilding bigger. you tell me what parts (for any kind of rebuild job) for a b series that are going to be cheaper.

price any aftermarket part for a b & d series and tell me d is more expensive.

now lets get to the real killer. assuming you do your own swaps at this point....save up for that b series, drop it in, and then god forbid you blow it up. now what are you going to do? save again for another?

i blow up my d series (v-tec or non) and i laugh. throw it in gutter, go buy another. $250-500 (depending on vtec or not) and in 7 hrs of play time and i'm up and running again...and don't forget every last one of my aftermarket parts (including turbo) is universal to d series.

ami

Hehehe...you make some good points.:) However, I can laugh if I blow up my b series as well.;) I will just go out and purchase another longblock for 400-600. It might be a little bit more but not much more than buying another d series. The whole b vs d thing has gotten well out of hand. There is never going to be a definitve answer to which is better. Choose the one series you like and work with it. Both will make lots of power with the right amount of money and work.:D

Originally posted by branman_crx_guy
First of all Landynred, I think ur listening to just a little bit too much Eazy E.

LOL...ummm, sorry...i guess that was too old skool for you. i guess i have to throw eminem around the new skool :rolleyes:

you know what the d vs. b has gotten out of hand. why? because people are finally taking a stand for the d series. people are sick of the trendy b series being shoved down their throats.

it's not rocket science why DOHC owners are offended when SOHC's can smoke 'em.

i'm not going to sit here and chase my tail in an endless debate. you go ahead and keep your b16. and i'll keep my d series. i know what they can do...i fear no b series

And I fear no girl racers who think there the sh*t :finger:

J/K, nothin but luv for ya, but noone and i mean noone shall roll there eyes for eminem, he's my idol. :rolleyes:

I think it doesnt matter wat engine's better, and we shouldnt fight over it. As long as you can smoke stangs and camaros, who gives a f**k wat engine u got? A kill is a kill in my book. :frog:

I must say that the youngest person on this post bran has it right let the hondas unite let b and d series come togehter and smoke the piss out of every v-8 there is haha all you v8s see you on the black top im out:finger: