Time to Make a Decision.

ok, so i found this, and the Price is Perfect for me right now, as is the set-up w/ the reverse J-pipe and all. think i sould go for it? i dont think i'm going to be able to afford my 60 trim set-up untill i get out of school, and i dont want to wait... DSMlink is just around the corner, as well as ARP head studs,and metal gasket, this comes w/ 560cc injectors... it just seems so right... but i still want 400 whp... will this do it? or is it a waste of time? thanks
http://www.dsmsource.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=3777

I thought the 16g's maxed out at 325hp?

Hold out. A 50 trim should do you fine for 400 hp and they are all the fuck over the place. Big 16g's are pretty cool but you'll want bigger injectors than that for a 50/60 trim so you will just need to replace the turbo and the injectors later. I would say get everything that you need other than the big turbo, then save for it.

ok i cant find 50/60 trims anywhere on a mitsubishi Housing, and when i get it, i wanna run an external 38mm wastegate... and dont have the money to buy the manifold/wastegate so i dont know... after all, with 400 whp, wont my GST have hardcore traction Problems? i dont know what to do!!! i guess my main goal, is to take a vette. can a 16g pull on a vette? (from a roll on)

but then again, is external wastegate really worth all the money for a street car? i've seen several 50/60 trims w/ internal 38mm wastegates, and that way i could keep my stock manifold, and save about $1k... i dont want boost creap, and from my understanding you need to be externally gated to stop that. correct me if i'm wrong, because i'm not going to be using the turbo to it's full potential, so maybe the enternal wastegate would be fine, and not creap...

I am going to go internal on my 50 trim setup. Either way its a 38mm gate, could it really be that different between internal and external?

EDIT: Yeah, you'll probably have some badass traction problems. I would look into an LSD or SBR LSD insert and some stickier tires like those BFGoodrich DOT slicks. You'll have to learn to launch as just stomping on it would still probably burn them off pretty good, but you should be ok from a roll.

yeah, i want to use my car mostly on the highway, but i still want to be able to run some pretty nice times in the 1/4... what do you think? should i settle for the 16g, or go all out with a 50/60 trim?

If you get a 16g at all, I would say get an MHI Evo III. On a FWD, that would maybe be the way to go so you dont just spin all the way down the track. I think my suggestion would be to get a 50 trim. I'll look tonight, I think I was finding 50 trims for between $400 and $550 before I spun a bearig.

sweet, where you looking at? because i cant find anything that isnt ebay brand on ebay, and everything on DSMtrader is like $600+...

what kind of 1/4 mile times you looking to hit at 400hp?

negative on the 16g for 400hp. Not without every possible mod and insanely high boost with race gas.

the 50 trim: king of the pump gas turbos

running 20psi I spun the fuck out of my tires, sometimes even in 3rd depending on good the road was. The evo3 hits hard too quick. 50 trims have a little smoother power delivery, gives you time to get going a little faster before you spool completely. I have extensive experience with both turbos, and the 50 trim just owns the 16g in every category except autoX

So basically the 50 trim is alot better for 1/4 mile run and highway running than the evo 3 big 16g?

it owns it. Then again their are so many variables to a 50 trim, but you get the idea, FP green, PTE 50, AGP RS49, etc,

the evo3 just cannot flow the air

so is the 50 trim a t3/t4 turbo? Also what about the 57 trim? thats all i can find

depends on which variant you want, trim is actually just a ratio describing the physical properties of the turbo

50 trims just have a nickname because they are so popular.

tell me the money you can spend on a turbo and i'll find the right one ;)

FP Green if you are a fucking bo-zillionaire, otherwise I would say a SBR 50 trim or a PTE. After all, they are all garrett center sections IIRC, so basically all each person does is cast their own exhaust/intake housings. Correct me if I am wrong, but I dont think I am....

for the money I would say AGP. Turbonetics and it comes with a 1 year no questions asked warranty, although it takes a while to get it replaced. If you can spend around 1000, FP green, my overall favorite street turbo.

How much are the APG's? FP greens are $1300.

FP Green's are by far one of the best. They are the ultimate street turbo. If I upgrade my 18g ever it will be to a Green, no doubt.

I got a 1990 eclipse with a 1.8L and I was thinking about putting a 2.6L in it.
Will it work with the 1.8L tranny.

Dude, start your own fuckin thread, seriously.

ok i was thinking about the APG RS49T, and i was getting ready to buy it a while back, and now i cant find it anymore. on APG web site the link for turbo upgrades under DSM only have the T-28 Killer... thats all... where can i find an APG RS49T for a decent price?

what you guys think about this? just found it, and i'm really thinking about picking it up... for that price! its just crazyness... wonder why he is selling it for so cheap? i'll ask him.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-Eclipse-Talon-Laser-AGP-L2R-Ballbearing-Turbo_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33554QQihZ007QQit emZ170030061078QQrdZ1

also, just found this, let me know what you guys think. everything inclusive... NICE

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-Turbonetics-Turbo-kit_W0QQitemZ300027216638QQihZ020QQcategoryZ33742Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

and here is a good priced 20g... what one should i go with? what would be best for 400+ WHP?

http://www.dsmsource.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=3805&cat=2

The top one seems pretty high priced, the other one is a little more turbo than you are looking for I think, and the 20g guy looks shady as hell. I guess I would persue the middle one, you'll be able to make 400 hp at like 12 lbs of boost :p.

The top one seems pretty high priced, the other one is a little more turbo than you are looking for I think, and the 20g guy looks shady as hell. I guess I would persue the middle one, you'll be able to make 400 hp at like 12 lbs of boost :p.

sweet, i'll have to place a bid, what do you think a fair price of all that would be? (400WHP @ 12psi, thats madness... i cant wait!)

Post #500!!! WOOOOO HOOOO!!!!!

Ha ha, well, I was being sarcastic when I said you could make that at 12 psi, but you wont have to boost the hell out of it to make 400. He said he made 460 at 23 lbs of boost, I would guess you could make 400 on like 15-18. Its going to lag more than a 50 trim, but if you want more power, it sure as hell wont be hard. SBR said their 60-1 has made 550, I cant imagine that one making much different. It is the manifold, external WG, turbo, WG dump, and 02 sensor housing (I think thats what that thing is) so it'll probably be pretty spendy. I am guessing like $900 or so. Also you might need to modify your down pipe.

oh... shit... well i dont have the funds or the time for that shit... i think i'mma just get the PTE SCM50 trim... sounds like a winner to me... internal Wastegate and everything... so i can keep my OEM manifold, and O2 housing... its only like $850

I wouldn't use an internal wastegate on anything over a 16g

I wouldn't use an internal wastegate on anything over a 16g
why not? boost creap/spike? i never really understood the difference...:confused:

ChunchyMilk, what you think about this?

http://www.dsmsource.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=3789&cat=2

ChunchyMilk, what you think about this?

http://www.dsmsource.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=3789&cat=2


First make sure it's the 360 thrust bearing and not the 270 that so many PTE's failed on.

Also, personally I would never buy something like a turbo from someone unless I at least knew them somewhat or they were local. There are too many variables for the condition of the turbo. You really need to see it / spin it in person to make sure it's good. It's really easy to lie about mileage too.

Wait, wait, why wouldnt you go internally gated on anything bigger than a 16g?

why not? boost creap/spike? i never really understood the difference...:confused:

Let's pretend we set the boost at 15psi. Boost spike is when not enough air is released right at max boost and so it shoots to 20psi or so, then comes back down to 15 or wherever you set it at within a few hundred RPM. This is usually caused by vac lines too short, running the bov and mbc on the same line, and a bad mbc.

Boost creep is when the car hits 15psi, then slowly creeps up to 20 or so as the car climbs in the rpm range. They are both dangerous, but creep is worse imo. You need to do a lot of port work to fix boost creep. evo3 16g's are notorious for it, but mine never did, I suppose because i ran it around 18psi anyway.

Wait, wait, why wouldnt you go internally gated on anything bigger than a 16g?


unstable boost control, boost creep, all sorts of issues. ext wastegate imo is a must for the bigger turbo guys who flow so much more air.

Let's pretend we set the boost at 15psi. Boost spike is when not enough air is released right at max boost and so it shoots to 20psi or so, then comes back down to 15 or wherever you set it at within a few hundred RPM. This is usually caused by vac lines too short, running the bov and mbc on the same line, and a bad mbc.

Boost creep is when the car hits 15psi, then slowly creeps up to 20 or so as the car climbs in the rpm range. They are both dangerous, but creep is worse imo. You need to do a lot of port work to fix boost creep. evo3 16g's are notorious for it, but mine never did, I suppose because i ran it around 18psi anyway.

ok! so you pretty much just turned on the light for me! i never understood how it would make a difference, when they say "the solid boost your looking for" i thought they where just trying to sell it... lol but now it makes sence... Good Info john!