ZX2 Performance?

well, considering there were 2 '99-'00 SI's the first time i went to the track completely stock w/ only 17's as my mods... and one of my friends was driving one of them, who i know is a better driver than me... and i beat both of them w/ my slow 15.84... i'd reconsider if i were you. never seen a stock '99-'00 SI run magazine times even... never seen one break past my 15.84. now, put i/h/e on them and its a different story. they'd put my 15.84 (stock mind you) to shame. ive raced many an '99-'00 SI and never been beaten by one... at the track or on the street. i even had a friend w/ a '99 that had i/h/e, high flow cat, cam gears, udp and hondata... and no matter who drove that thing against me from a stop... it couldn't beat me w/ only NGP0. debate all you want but i got alot of experience w/ racing SI's of any year and only w/ a superb driver can they hit magazine times even.

as for the 02+ SI's and the ZX2... BS. if i ever see in person, a MTX ZX2 lose to an 02+ SI when both are stock... ill eat my whole garbage can full of paper shreds... then kick the ZX2 drivers ass. usually companies upgrade to faster equipment as they progress from year to year or body style to body style... you'd think honda would too... but the new SI's are a fucking joke. been there, slaughtered that...

matt

I have seen a few of them hit 15.3-.4 at teh tracks and 02+ run 15.8-.9

the reason its slower is weight, if you put a 02+ motor in a 99-00 si it would be a 15.2-.3 car but the new sport compacts have a more luxory feel so they weigh more, that why the SVTf weighs 300 more then a regular focus.

I have recently purchased a 2000 zx2 manual tranny bone stock..i am with all of u.. hondas are overplayed and not original..i was wondering if u can put a v6 in a zx2...i didnt know if i should modify the engine with a turbo..or just drop a v6...any ideas???? thx joe

I'm new here, but i have a 98 zx2 pushin 326hp. i've spent 2 years on it and i've got it the way i want it. i've ran a 11.58 quarter with it and smoked vettes all day long. whoever thinks zx2's are gay I DARE YOU TO RACE ME!!!! I live in Indiana and i'm calling you out.


I have just recently purchased a zx2 and i would love to know what you have modded your car with to get 326 hp..that is the most i have ever heard of coming from the zx2..any help would be greatly appreciated....thx joe

ther is not v6 swap fro teh zx2, only a few that MIGHT fit with a lot of modification but no one has tried. its cheaper to mod the stock motor.

well...do you have any suggestions as to what i should to to the motor...i would love to smoke civis left and right... i was thinking about ztech high performance racing alluminum intake manifold with the ztech cylinder head to compliment... also putting an s/r high flow muffler and if i can find a nice turbo that would be nice...any other suggestions..esp on the supercharger or turbo..i have been unable to find a supercharger..konw of any place i can go? joe

1. its ZETEC not ztech
2. there is not manifold for the zx2 worth its price(people usually port the stocker)
3. there is not racing head either(people DO PnP the stocker)
4. a Muffler wont do anything for performance and the S/R is only 2in you want 2.5 for a good exaust flow.
5. there is not SC currently fro sale and the only good turbo kit is almost 6k not counting the parts needed to make you motor take the power (about 10k total)

intake(iceman or hotshot),
header(zxtuner or jba if you have emissions,
exaust(2.5 if you are going N/A, 3in for turbo),
PnP head and intake mani,
10.5 compression if you are going N/A(about 8.5 or so if going turbo)
Ford Racing Wires
esslinger cam gear(s)[if you go with or w/o vct]
AFX UDP
B&M short shifter
custom superchip
bigger TB
ARP bolts all around

cams are up to what ever you want

thanks for all of the help u are giving me...u have any idea how much all of your suggestions cost...i am trying to decide what to do first..money doesnt grow on trees for me unfortunately, im excited to start working on my car..but kind of upset bc u cannot drop a v6 in the car..that would be the best way to push out 300+ hp in my opinion. if i get all of what u just mentioned done..(with exception of the turbo) how fast should the car be?..i would be upset if i did all this work to be barely in the 14's.. seems like these cars are harder to modify than a civic or integra... 6k for a turbo alone... thats crazy..u can get a turbo for a civic around 3k. and civics have more hp stock..why is is twice the price for a zx2? give me some positive input about the zx2, seems like im only finding negatives since i got her.

300hp is gonna be about 10k+ turbo set up and your not gonna pass emissions if your state has them.

all that stuff listed should get you in teh 13's if properly tuned and a good driver.

the price deffernce is in the market you can get a 6k turbo for the zx2 but it will only give you 200 or so HP and its its not very high quality. and it also comes down to sales look at how many turbo Civics ther are and look at how many peopel are trying to turbo an escort and a person that is gettign a 3k turb oisnt getting much in the way of quality and testing.

you have to think this aint a focus motor so we have to make our own market.

Pro's: the zx2 has great geaing, makes more tq at the wheels then a 99-00 Si makes at the crank, it weights little compaired to other cars, good driver can run times not to far behind the 99-00 Si, or SVT focus(both 18-19k cars) and run about even with a 02+ si(about 19k). intake, header and a chip wil have you running with 18k cars

there are ways young paduan... 300 hp can be acheived for less than 5k if you know your shit. meaning, build your own turbo setup from junkyard cars... pnp the head yourself, port the intake mani yourself. in other words you gotta know the ins and outs of this motor. its not tough to learn but you won't learn it here. the best place to ask questions is www.teamzx2.com. use the search function before you ask though. they get kinda pissy if you ask the same question too many times. happy hunting.

matt

hahahahaha ZX2 and performance in the same line i'm already laughing hard ..............HAHAHAHAHA

if they can't even keep up with a volvo how can they keep up with a Civic Si

ZX2's are GAY



ZX2s arent slow, the performance parts for them are about as much as a civic has. They may have discontinued production but they are becoming as popular. My 1998 ZX2 has iceman intake, borla exhaust, diablo sport chip, S/R ECU, 5spd B&M short throw shifter, eibach/tokico lowered 2" rear-1.5" front, Monsterflow Foam Filter.

My specs:

162hp @5850rpm
137ft-lbs torque at 4800rpm
118mph top speed
1/4 in 15.4 @ 98.3mph

I've taken civics, 240sx's, SI's, even Focus SVT's.... so dont come in romping on the ZX2 and oh yea im actually selling it to by a stillen maxima.... its a hot little car but 8500 for the stillen S/C Maxima w 55k on it..cant beat that in a 5spd

well...do you have any suggestions as to what i should to to the motor...i would love to smoke civis left and right... i was thinking about ztech high performance racing alluminum intake manifold with the ztech cylinder head to compliment... also putting an s/r high flow muffler and if i can find a nice turbo that would be nice...any other suggestions..esp on the supercharger or turbo..i have been unable to find a supercharger..konw of any place i can go? joe

1. Get an intake (Iceman with a Monster Flow Foam Filter)
2. the JBA Shorty Header Setup, Magnaflow Cat and Borla Cat-Back
3. SuperChips or Diablo Sport Chip
4. Get an Esslinger UDPulley
5. Esslinger (or equiv) Adjustable Timing Cam Gear
6. Esslinger (or equiv) Intake/Exhaust Cams
7. Aftermarket Thermostat (the fan turns on at 230 degrees, one that will turn on at 160 degrees)
8. Bigger MAF and TBody (i have a 65mm)

these are minor things for performance, turbos and super chargers should be done afterwards with bigger fuel rails and injectors

check out this site for performance

www.zxtuner.com

robs a good guy

thanks for all of the help u are giving me...u have any idea how much all of your suggestions cost...i am trying to decide what to do first..money doesnt grow on trees for me unfortunately, im excited to start working on my car..but kind of upset bc u cannot drop a v6 in the car..that would be the best way to push out 300+ hp in my opinion. if i get all of what u just mentioned done..(with exception of the turbo) how fast should the car be?..i would be upset if i did all this work to be barely in the 14's.. seems like these cars are harder to modify than a civic or integra... 6k for a turbo alone... thats crazy..u can get a turbo for a civic around 3k. and civics have more hp stock..why is is twice the price for a zx2? give me some positive input about the zx2, seems like im only finding negatives since i got her.



The only V6 that will fit in the ZX2 is the Ford Probe GT's six cylinder. its a 2.4 liter but some minor movements of the coolant and you cant run with an a/c, ive seen those mods. As well as a Rotary powered zx2 ive seen. Cosmo stuck a V8 in a Focus...anything is possible

My 1998 ZX2 has iceman intake, borla exhaust, diablo sport chip, S/R ECU, 5spd B&M short throw shifter, eibach/tokico lowered 2" rear-1.5" front, Monsterflow Foam Filter.

My specs:

162hp @5850rpm
137ft-lbs torque at 4800rpm
118mph top speed
1/4 in 15.4 @ 98.3mph


ok lol that BS lol
1. if measured at teh wheels no way in hell are you getting 162whp, of measured at the crank an s/r already has 140tq so you are low even thougth u claim to have more mods

2. top seed would be over 118 ive gone over 125

2. with 162hp Crank OR at the wheels you should be lower 15's but NOT at 98mph you'dd need a lot more for that

1. Get an intake (Iceman with a Monster Flow Foam Filter)
2. the JBA Shorty Header Setup, Magnaflow Cat and Borla Cat-Back
3. SuperChips or Diablo Sport Chip
4. Get an Esslinger UDPulley
5. Esslinger (or equiv) Adjustable Timing Cam Gear
6. Esslinger (or equiv) Intake/Exhaust Cams
7. Aftermarket Thermostat (the fan turns on at 230 degrees, one that will turn on at 160 degrees)
8. Bigger MAF and TBody (i have a 65mm)


and you list more mods here then b4 so which list is correct?

The only V6 that will fit in the ZX2 is the Ford Probe GT's six cylinder. its a 2.4 liter but some minor movements of the coolant and you cant run with an a/c, ive seen those mods. As well as a Rotary powered zx2 ive seen. Cosmo stuck a V8 in a Focus...anything is possible

and ther is a LOT of work involved in puting a probe v6 into a zx2, and no one has ever seen either of those swaps actually done. only concidered

So all of these mods that china listed only puts you around 162 hp? or at least the mods he had only had him at 162? zx2srdotnet...if u get the basics,intake,headers,exhaust,computer,how much would that add hp wise. it seems depressing if all of these mods dont get u up into the 200 range..

intake(iceman or hotshot),
header(zxtuner or jba if you have emissions,
exaust(2.5 if you are going N/A, 3in for turbo),
PnP head and intake mani,
10.5 compression if you are going N/A(about 8.5 or so if going turbo)
Ford Racing Wires
esslinger cam gear(s)[if you go with or w/o vct]
AFX UDP
B&M short shifter
custom superchip
bigger TB
ARP bolts all around

cams are up to what ever you want


WITH ALL OF THIS LISTED WHAT SHOULD THIS PUT ME AT HP WISE? AND HOW MUCH RELATIVELY SPEAKING?

all of that should put you around 180 i believe, but i haven't seen any dyno's of anyone with all of that. add a 50shot tp that and your over 200whp. you should be solid 13's with that.

A computer(or chip) header, intake and exaust should put you over 120whp.

I have no idea what China was talking about. It didnt really seem like HE knew what he was talking about

all of that should put you around 180 i believe, but i haven't seen any dyno's of anyone with all of that. add a 50shot tp that and your over 200whp. you should be solid 13's with that.

A computer(or chip) header, intake and exaust should put you over 120whp.

I have no idea what China was talking about. It didnt really seem like HE knew what he was talking about


50 SHOT OF TP? U MEAN NITROUS? AND ANOTHER THING,,CAN U COMPARE THE PROS AND CONS FOR ME OF THE GUDE TURBO MADE FOR OUR CARS... HERE IS A LINK SO U CAN SEE WHAT KITS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

http://www.turbo-kits.com/escort_turbo_kits.html

i mean "50 shot TO that"

the gude kit has fitment problems(hoses to short, pipes not fitting ect), and doesnt come with any engine management so you have to by that all seperately and you will NEED to becasue from what i remember the Gude kit has a boost creep problem. a better kit is here http://www.focus-power.com/view.php?showme=ZX2_Kit

ok lol that BS lol
1. if measured at teh wheels no way in hell are you getting 162whp, of measured at the crank an s/r already has 140tq so you are low even thougth u claim to have more mods

2. top seed would be over 118 ive gone over 125

2. with 162hp Crank OR at the wheels you should be lower 15's but NOT at 98mph you'dd need a lot more for that



I know the times are out of wack but they are just est 1/4 times done on the dyno before the stock engine overheated and took off (yea piston + hood = L:shit:L

the car was off the road for about 2 months and is now back on with a 2.3 liter duratec engine, sorry only intake, exhaust and a udp for now, trying to figure all this out. and yes zx2srdotnet, i know what im doing and talking about. Anyone interested in buying a 2.3 powered ZX2? idk how much i could get but just wondering cuz ill be selling in bout a year 2,000 miles on her

2.3 swap then sell it? yeah thats stupid, also the fact that you swaped for only 25hp and 20tq that is really pointless, and all the work to get the 2.3 to fit in the zx2, and since you didn't mention it i guess you kept the G5m which will also add more cost to th swap. then add all the wireing so you spend a few grand for hmmm.....MINIMAL GAINS.

the power you made from the swap would be made up with a chip, header, udp and catback, a LOT cheaper then the swap

::sniff, sniff:: wow... shit's gettin deep in here. chinatown's full of shit... no such thing as a rotory powered zx2... his car does not put 162 hp to the ground... and i seriously doubt he has a duratec in his car. so he's pretty much full of shit. go back to chinatown dude... no one here is impressed w/ your LIES!!!

#2. all those mods zx2srdotnet listed, at different levels will give you more hp. such as if you get a MAJOR pnp done to the head w/ oversized valves and racing cams... im willing to bet that you could pull a good 225 to the wheels if you did it all right. of course... id change a few things on that list. FRIM IS worth the money if you have a pnp'd head (says johnp) and there are a few short runner intake manifolds being designed and made right now. TTMotorsports has one on the market that supposedly claims very good gains. depending on how much you're gonna be driving the car (higher compression for a weekend warrior lower for daily driver) different compressions will help diff apps. also... if you do everything on that list + turbo and GOOD tuning (never seen this before but it's possible) you could get 400+ hp outta the car. that's boosting probably near 15 psi on COMPLETELY worked over engine. strict race engine. but again... never seen it.

iven never really seen the FRIM as worth it becasue a ported stock intake can hold to 12sec boosted

true... but FRIM has bigger runners all the way through and according to johnp, will add near 25-30 hp on a ported head. whereas the ported stocker only does 12-18 hp. im not sure on the #'s from the TTMotorsports mani but i know there's at least 2 guys on teamzx2 running it and they seem to like it. still, i wouldn't buy any of them cuz in the future im gonna have one available that will blow them all out of the water.

i have never seen any actual numbers proven for the diff intake mani's only guesses

that's all info i got from johnp on an AIM session. ask him yourself.

Im just saying ive never soon any of the actual numbers

What kind of performance does a ZX2 get.....i'd perfer one over a normal escort....how much better are they?
The car looks sporty and it has 2.0 zetec 16valve about 20hp more than a common split port 2000 8 valve. The zetec has tons of potential , turbo's , superchargers , clutches , flywheels and lots more. There isnt much out there for the split ports kinda a waste of time engine to most people for modding up.
As for how much better , well I used to own a 99 escort se and it was pretty gutsy but the zx2 goes like a molested primeate in comparison. IMO

is that why there are a lot more 200+whp turbo spi then 200+whp zx2's? lol

molested primate hahahahaha....

oh, and there is no direct fit supercharger for the zx2...

hahahahaha ZX2 and performance in the same line i'm already laughing hard ..............HAHAHAHAHA

if they can't even keep up with a volvo how can they keep up with a Civic Si

ZX2's are GAY

I saw this quote earily on in this forum,
I would like to point out that the msrp of a si is about $6000 more than a ZX2 of the same year (2000) and has roughly the same performance as far as accelleration, according to http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

So given the same ammount of money, a ZX2 owner could spend the $6000 dollars he saved on his vehicial and bore out his engine, add a turbo, N20, Racing heads, new intake/exhaust, etc...

But I am sorry, the owners of Si's are most likely the children of rich parents who dont have to spend a dime on anything they own. So from an outside perspective, it is cheaper to be a rich kid and have your si handed to you handed to you.

99-00 Si 18k
02-04? SVTf 18k
99-00 S/R 15k

same performance numbers in a line, s/r and SVT are is a better handlers.....enough said.


I hate when old threads are brought up.

jesus 7 pages of busting on one guy for talking smack about zx2's..... why the hell aint there 10?
the only sad part about all this is the zx2 is no longer in production. i think with more styling the zx2 could have become like the nova ( you know how novas always followed its "big brother" chevelle in styling) that would have been cool if they took some styling from last years of the fox body mustang.

dear lord no....the 94-04 stang were just reworked fox body

thats kinda what i was thinking like the 99 svt. you gotta admit those cars started to get some atitude compared the the earlier 94-95 years. im not saying they should have done a total redesign, but the rear end on the zx2 looks weak compared to the front (on the 03 models). perhaps its something about the rear bumper and wing. i mean the wing is weak if ford dropped the rear bumper(i mean extended) to line up with the lines down the side, i think the car could look a little meaner. if i were to put a body kit on mine it would probibly just be sideskirts and a rear bumper so the car flows the whole way back instead of kicking up in a slant at the rear. even if the bumper were extended enough to cover the spare upside-down dome.... what ever you want to call that.

the rear is actually the only problem i have with the car, im defonitly changing the wing, mostly because it just looks sad, but the old boss mustang wings, they werent too much show, and it wouldnt give the car the ricer look. the hard part is i want to make it look more agressive in the back, but i just cant think of anything.

I have a few aftermarket parts on my spi, only like 140hp though...

Anyway, does anyone know where to get a good exhaust manifold gasket?

My old one sprung a major leak and now it sounds like fart cannon.

you try advance auto, napa, car quest? just remember to do it proper or you will still have leaks

I just raced a Honda Accord that was modded. I dont know what he had but definitely exhaust and intake, body kit and custom gauges inside. We were at a turn signal and I was ahead, took off uphill and it took him till 75mph to pull up to me. I had a car length lead when we took off and I spun tires too (bald) or I would have had more of a lead.
Considering my ZX2 is bone stock, with bald tires and I shifted at 6000 rpm to his (probably) 8000 I would say the ZX2 is a freakin Honda KILLER. It took him ages to even catch up a one car length lead. Unless there is some SERIOUS money put in to a Honda they really suck. Ford and other american carmakers know that as Carroll Shelby put it "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races".
I would have loved to have seen the horrified look on his face.

I just raced a Honda Accord that was modded. I dont know what he had but definitely exhaust and intake, body kit and custom gauges inside. We were at a turn signal and I was ahead, took off uphill and it took him till 75mph to pull up to me. I had a car length lead when we took off and I spun tires too (bald) or I would have had more of a lead.
Considering my ZX2 is bone stock, with bald tires and I shifted at 6000 rpm to his (probably) 8000 I would say the ZX2 is a freakin Honda KILLER. It took him ages to even catch up a one car length lead. Unless there is some SERIOUS money put in to a Honda they really suck. Ford and other american carmakers know that as Carroll Shelby put it "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races".
I would have loved to have seen the horrified look on his face.


only 6k? wtf

oh and an i4 accord..least since 94...makes more tq then a zx2

everything beats my zx2 slow as hell im sellin it. my grandpa picked it out when i was 16 i paid him back wouldnt suggest the car to anyone as a performance car

An old thread that never dies! Brought up yet again!

yeah i slaped in a set of cams last weekend and gettgin SCT next week.....bring on the new Si's.........

i also drive a 98 zx2... it was my first car with which i learned to race, shift, and handle a car. to be honest, i was never beaten by any civic i raced against and probably never will.

despite the low numbers, zx2's are an affordable, quick, and fun to drive car.

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First things first, when you decide to compare two vehicles, try to at least compare similar cars. The Honda Si model is not a base model like the ZX2 models were. These were never meant to be a performance car. It was supposed to be a sportier option for those people inclined to by the Escort platform vehicles. The hope was to get them interested in the mild increase in performance, keep Mazda happy (via contract), and hopefully get the Escort people interested in the newly designed Mustang.
Considering the ZX2 is often viewed as Ford's bastard step child, there are a surprising number of modifications that can be performed on the car. The ZX2's basic platform shares its chassis design with several other Ford and Mazda vehicles. The ability to cross-breed is what opened my eyes to the ZX2 as a possible performance vehicle.
Just like every other sport compact out there, they suck in their stock forms. Just like every other sport compact out there, what you can do to these cars is only limited by your imagination and pocket book.
The Ford Escort ZX2 is a fun car to drive. So are fat chicks and mo-peds. I don't mind being seen in a ZX2 though.

egri (http://egri.net)

You tell him! Coming to a ZX2 thread to bash the car!

yep i wish the people i work with would listen to this guy i drive one myself i need some advice though what performance adders do you guys prefer with still keeping the engine stock. oh and by the way i smoked a honda s2000 with a manual and i have an automatic

Its funny you say that...................because honda sucks hardcore, would not trade my zx2 for a honda anything, just because its from japan bullshit and Si is suppose to mean what? slow import LOL you knock a ford zx2, but when you get waxed by one, you will think otherwise.