New Cars Civic EX or VW GTI
BlackGT2000
09-06-2006, 12:14 PM
Well events had changed. I have been talking about getting rid of the mustang for a while now and I still am. I was going to shoot for a vette or even a friends Camaro. But now I am not too into a (loosly used term) sports car right now. I am going to get a new 07 model car and trade in. I have already driven the GTI and it was nice and pretty quick. I have driven the 06 Civic already in an auto 4 door and it was also a nice car. I am really looking for a 2 door manual EX model. My problem is that I like the quickness of the GTI and all but it costs more and I am honestly trying to get away from the performance car scene. I guess in my heart I am swaying toward the Civic being the nice car it is this year, but the GTI still is nice. I don't know I guess I am just looking for someone to bounce ideas off of.
del
09-06-2006, 09:18 PM
you're going to miss the torque of your vw if you get the civic. not saying the civic is a bad choice though. even though you say you're tryin to get away from the performance car scene, i think you'll miss the quickness of the gti and be disappointed in the civic ex. maybe not though have you considered the new si's?
Moppie
09-06-2006, 10:45 PM
If there is going to be a hot version of the new Civic in the States, then clearly hang out for it.
If not, then get the GTi.
I hate VW's, but if its the choice between a sports model VW, and an econobox Civic, then you have to take the VW.
Its possible to get out of the scene, and still be able to enjoy driving a sports car, especialy if its already pretty quick out of the box, and you don't need to do anything to it.
I went from owning a heavily modified car, to owning a car that I never modified, because I got something that was already very fast and a little special out of the factory.
If not, then get the GTi.
I hate VW's, but if its the choice between a sports model VW, and an econobox Civic, then you have to take the VW.
Its possible to get out of the scene, and still be able to enjoy driving a sports car, especialy if its already pretty quick out of the box, and you don't need to do anything to it.
I went from owning a heavily modified car, to owning a car that I never modified, because I got something that was already very fast and a little special out of the factory.
bluevp00
09-07-2006, 01:03 AM
The new EX coupes actually have a stiffer suspension than the sedans do for 2006, so handling should be lots of fun. But the EX models for `06 don't have a different (more powerful) engine, the EX shares the same 140HP engine with the DX & LX. IMO, if you can afford the SI I'd definatley go with that, but if not, VeeDub is the way to go.
blakscorpion21
09-07-2006, 12:00 PM
why do you want to get out of the sports car scene? personally though id go with a new civic si, but given your choices im gonna have to say vw.
Jimster
09-07-2006, 08:02 PM
The Golf GTi, it's a very nicely complete car.
I can confirm that under the daring exterior, the new Euro-Civic is craptastic, I don't hold much hope for the flabbier American model.
I can confirm that under the daring exterior, the new Euro-Civic is craptastic, I don't hold much hope for the flabbier American model.
drunken monkey
09-07-2006, 10:34 PM
for a start, I can't believe they ditched the multi-link for a effin twist beam.....
Jimster
09-08-2006, 04:03 AM
That's only the start, far as I'm concerned, they took cloning the Peugeot 206 too far...
crayzayjay
09-09-2006, 10:51 AM
The GTi's worth the extra $.
9ball
09-10-2006, 12:12 AM
I think GTI's are cooler cars in general than any Civic. The deciding factor for me would be how long you plan on keeping the car. If you're going to get rid of the car while it still has some warranty left, I'd definitely get the VW. If you're going to drive the car until the wheels fall off I'd definitely get the Honda.
BurntGauge
09-10-2006, 01:48 AM
As an owner of the MkV GTI that you are interested and after being in my sister's '06 Honda Civic LX and driving it...there's no contest in terms of what's more fun. The GTI still has lots of room for people and trunk space. And you can go fast just by dipping into boost. If you keep it under boost, you can get pretty good gas mileage. Plus, the VW interior is made of higher quality materials than the Civic is.
Cant lose on either, but the GTI is slightly better in terms of value and performance. Only thing is it's more money. But worth it.
Cant lose on either, but the GTI is slightly better in terms of value and performance. Only thing is it's more money. But worth it.
BlackGT2000
09-10-2006, 08:23 AM
I guess I will miss the power of the mustang but honestly for what I use it for it costs more to maintain than I really need the car for. I don't drive the mustang much and thats really not good for a car. Last year I only put on about 2500 miles, I didn't even need emissions testing because of that. I love that GTI, but I find it hard to sell the car based on performance considering that I am trading in a more powerful car. Right now I don't think I can go wrong with either, they are both nicer in terms of interior and smoothness than my current car and either one would be bought new. I guess the Civic's strongest point to me is that it is an econo box, and its a nice one.
9ball
09-10-2006, 11:39 AM
Well, I'd say that you will miss having a powerful car after a while, but if you only put 2500 miles on it last year then I guess you won't. After thinking about this for awhile, I'd take the VW hands down. I really like hatchbacks, it's relatively practical aside from sticker price, and it's a pretty cool car in general. I actually forgot to compare sticker, there's probably quite a difference between these two.
BlackGT2000
09-10-2006, 01:12 PM
There is quite a difference between the two, the Civic Ex is 18400(I have seen it listed slightly higher but this is what the dealer gave me as an out the door price on the car I want) and the GTI is 23000 and that dosn't go much lower than that once you go to a dealer and check it out. Even the SI is cheaper than the GTI when it comes down to it.
BurntGauge
09-10-2006, 07:01 PM
Even the SI is cheaper than the GTI when it comes down to it.
Bought my GTI for around 20,800 OTD. Depends on what packages/transmissions you want. DSG is 1000 bux more. Package 1 and 2 up the price. I got 6mt Package 0. Anyways, I have heard of people spending 25k all the way up to 34k for a Civic Si. (No lie. I saw the sticker price).
Bought my GTI for around 20,800 OTD. Depends on what packages/transmissions you want. DSG is 1000 bux more. Package 1 and 2 up the price. I got 6mt Package 0. Anyways, I have heard of people spending 25k all the way up to 34k for a Civic Si. (No lie. I saw the sticker price).
BlackGT2000
09-10-2006, 07:11 PM
wow 34000, I would call anyone who paid that crazy
BurntGauge
09-11-2006, 02:17 PM
wow 34000, I would call anyone who paid that crazy
I think even a fully loaded Package 2 w/DSG and Nav and w/the optional Votex body kit and Khartoums...you still are under 34k.
I think even a fully loaded Package 2 w/DSG and Nav and w/the optional Votex body kit and Khartoums...you still are under 34k.
alphalanos
09-11-2006, 02:24 PM
I think the GTI is a better car. The Civic is pretty boring. And if its the Si vs. the GTI, Id take the GTI.
BurntGauge
09-12-2006, 02:50 AM
And if its the Si vs. the GTI, Id take the GTI.
Torque is good.:naughty:
Torque is good.:naughty:
Gotian
09-12-2006, 11:50 AM
Man I suprised you didnt ask me, you know I have fun with my V-dub
BlackGT2000
09-22-2006, 01:55 PM
Well I went the sensible way, not trying to go the performance route this time. I ordered a 07 Civic the other day. It is getting built on the 25th I believe and will be here by the end of this month or the first week of next. They move quickly.
Gotian
09-22-2006, 05:40 PM
Well I went the sensible way, not trying to go the performance route this time. I ordered a 07 Civic the other day. It is getting built on the 25th I believe and will be here by the end of this month or the first week of next. They move quickly.
Well you have a gas guzzler (the stang) and a gas saver (the civic) together they equal a normal V6 car. Congrats on the new buy, though I wouldve still gone with a GTI or 1.8t
Well you have a gas guzzler (the stang) and a gas saver (the civic) together they equal a normal V6 car. Congrats on the new buy, though I wouldve still gone with a GTI or 1.8t
Ssom
09-22-2006, 09:41 PM
Well I went the sensible way, not trying to go the performance route this time. I ordered a 07 Civic the other day. It is getting built on the 25th I believe and will be here by the end of this month or the first week of next. They move quickly.
Man, lucky you, if we wanted either in NZ we'd be waiting 8 months for it minimum.
Both the Golf GTI and Civic have queues that stretch out the door because of thier popularity and the lack of supply from Japan and South Africa respectively.
Man, lucky you, if we wanted either in NZ we'd be waiting 8 months for it minimum.
Both the Golf GTI and Civic have queues that stretch out the door because of thier popularity and the lack of supply from Japan and South Africa respectively.
Gotian
09-22-2006, 10:59 PM
Man, lucky you, if we wanted either in NZ we'd be waiting 8 months for it minimum.
Both the Golf GTI and Civic have queues that stretch out the door because of thier popularity and the lack of supply from Japan and South Africa respectively.
actually lack of supply in mexico for the GTI.
Both the Golf GTI and Civic have queues that stretch out the door because of thier popularity and the lack of supply from Japan and South Africa respectively.
actually lack of supply in mexico for the GTI.
BurntGauge
09-23-2006, 02:11 AM
actually lack of supply in mexico for the GTI.
MkV GTI's are built in Wolfsburg or South Africa. Not Japan or Mexico.
You can verify this via the VIN. Mine was made in Wolfsburg.
MkV GTI's are built in Wolfsburg or South Africa. Not Japan or Mexico.
You can verify this via the VIN. Mine was made in Wolfsburg.
Ssom
09-23-2006, 02:32 AM
Woops got Civic and Golf around the wrong way....
NZDM Civic = Japan
NZDM Golf = South Africa :o
NZDM Civic = Japan
NZDM Golf = South Africa :o
drunken monkey
09-23-2006, 12:05 PM
aren't the civics being built in swindon?
Ssom
09-23-2006, 12:22 PM
Yeah, the UK/Europe hatches are.
We don't get them in NZ though, we only get a Japanese made sedan and Hybrid. Apparently the Euro model was too expensive to import built up and they'd have had to have priced it in 307/Golf territory.
Which is stupid because the Golf is damn near outselling the much cheaper Civic sedan at the moment (Though there is the supply issue) and the 307 is still hugely popular after 5 years or something crazy like that.
We don't get them in NZ though, we only get a Japanese made sedan and Hybrid. Apparently the Euro model was too expensive to import built up and they'd have had to have priced it in 307/Golf territory.
Which is stupid because the Golf is damn near outselling the much cheaper Civic sedan at the moment (Though there is the supply issue) and the 307 is still hugely popular after 5 years or something crazy like that.
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