Evolution
Shpyder
09-05-2006, 10:41 PM
Just thought I'd start a new thread. Taken from the "dumb-ass biker" thread.
having studied this stuff for 3 years I know enough about it to know positive mutation ain't gonna happen. I'll just make one comment on this. Look at the mutations that occur today. There are no X-men. ....it doesn't matter how much time it had to happen, it just can't.
Though you negate the all-important role time plays in macroevolution, you also negate the entire concept itself by seeking proof of it, or rather, the absence of it's effects, within 5000 years of recorded human history. Of course we won't see X-Men any time soon. Natural selection and favorable mutations within "a change of allele frequencies over time" (as evolution is recognized by it's biological definition) take millions of years. With 4.5 billion years under it's belt, I'm assuming earth had more than enough time.
Evolution is full of misconceptions in the minds of the many who oppose it.
If genetic mutation can change color and shape, as recorded and observed, what prevents a large-scale and long-term change of a "pigeon into a penguin", albeit with perhaps many thousand subtle go-between intermediates? The most common misunderstanding that people have about evolution, is that they do away with a logical "common ancestor", and get straight to it: "I did not come from a monkey!". No one's saying you did...but evolution is a theory, and if youre a biologist crunchy, as you made a point of mentioning in your reply to ex1286, it is the central tenant that biology hinges on. Evolution rests on cladistics, phenetics , phylogenetics, tracing back to a universal common ancestor about 3 billion years ago.
Evolution makes sense to me, without raining on anyone else's parade...if there's a better logical explanation of how we got here, and why there are striking similarities in completely seemingly unrelated organisms, I'd like to hear it.
having studied this stuff for 3 years I know enough about it to know positive mutation ain't gonna happen. I'll just make one comment on this. Look at the mutations that occur today. There are no X-men. ....it doesn't matter how much time it had to happen, it just can't.
Though you negate the all-important role time plays in macroevolution, you also negate the entire concept itself by seeking proof of it, or rather, the absence of it's effects, within 5000 years of recorded human history. Of course we won't see X-Men any time soon. Natural selection and favorable mutations within "a change of allele frequencies over time" (as evolution is recognized by it's biological definition) take millions of years. With 4.5 billion years under it's belt, I'm assuming earth had more than enough time.
Evolution is full of misconceptions in the minds of the many who oppose it.
If genetic mutation can change color and shape, as recorded and observed, what prevents a large-scale and long-term change of a "pigeon into a penguin", albeit with perhaps many thousand subtle go-between intermediates? The most common misunderstanding that people have about evolution, is that they do away with a logical "common ancestor", and get straight to it: "I did not come from a monkey!". No one's saying you did...but evolution is a theory, and if youre a biologist crunchy, as you made a point of mentioning in your reply to ex1286, it is the central tenant that biology hinges on. Evolution rests on cladistics, phenetics , phylogenetics, tracing back to a universal common ancestor about 3 billion years ago.
Evolution makes sense to me, without raining on anyone else's parade...if there's a better logical explanation of how we got here, and why there are striking similarities in completely seemingly unrelated organisms, I'd like to hear it.
Bodack
09-05-2006, 10:59 PM
I'm no expert on this, but I would like to think that I can contribute to this topic somehow. Though it's very mystical and I once believed in it, the thought that a supreme supernatural being started creation is hard to grasp with my concrete mind, but so is the "big bang theory." The Bible's story of creation isn't literally seven 24-hour periods, and that can explain some of the time frame misunderstandings about dinosaurs and such. I do firmly believe in micro-evolution, but not so much in macro.
If genetic mutation can change color and shape, as recorded and observed, what prevents a large-scale and long-term change of a "pigeon into a penguin", albeit with perhaps many thousand subtle go-between intermediates?
Evolution occurs because there is some need or intervention that causes it. For one species to randomly evolve into another would not support the idea of evolution. Dinosaurs, for example, are believed to be ancestors of birds because of some nessecity that induced evolution. I think humans did evolve, but not from some kind of primal ooze. Bones are the number one support to prove that humans were once more primative and didn't always walk erect. The question would then arise "What did these more primative creatures evolve from?" And so on... and I don't have an answer. All I am doing is just throwing out some ideas hoping to enlighten the more "one-sided" people. Hope someone actually reads this whole thing and gets something out of it...:uhoh:
If genetic mutation can change color and shape, as recorded and observed, what prevents a large-scale and long-term change of a "pigeon into a penguin", albeit with perhaps many thousand subtle go-between intermediates?
Evolution occurs because there is some need or intervention that causes it. For one species to randomly evolve into another would not support the idea of evolution. Dinosaurs, for example, are believed to be ancestors of birds because of some nessecity that induced evolution. I think humans did evolve, but not from some kind of primal ooze. Bones are the number one support to prove that humans were once more primative and didn't always walk erect. The question would then arise "What did these more primative creatures evolve from?" And so on... and I don't have an answer. All I am doing is just throwing out some ideas hoping to enlighten the more "one-sided" people. Hope someone actually reads this whole thing and gets something out of it...:uhoh:
Blackcrow64
09-05-2006, 10:59 PM
I am half and half on the Evolution therory. I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, but I feel that we, as a species, have evolved with time as well...
I don't know much about Biology but wish I did... There are a lot of very interesting facts that most people will never believe when presented with it. I for one like the idea of our species evolving further. The human body is engineered way too good for us to be limited to what we can do in this day and age... I've seen some pretty amazing things be done that the everyday person cannot do simply for the fact that their body has not evolved to the next level that another person might be at. :2cents:
I don't know much about Biology but wish I did... There are a lot of very interesting facts that most people will never believe when presented with it. I for one like the idea of our species evolving further. The human body is engineered way too good for us to be limited to what we can do in this day and age... I've seen some pretty amazing things be done that the everyday person cannot do simply for the fact that their body has not evolved to the next level that another person might be at. :2cents:
Thor06
09-05-2006, 11:18 PM
Evolution! Yay!:jump3:
david-b
09-05-2006, 11:42 PM
The world and universe evolve. I am more of an exisitiantialist, so I'm not going to get in to the topic too much.
People will be always believe what they want until there is proof. There is no set answer. Even when there is proof, the other side will still believe what they want to. It's always going to be like that. Religion is there to help people. Is it true, yes and no... it depends on who you talk to. People live by the bible, but even ministers and highly religious people say that the bible is a story... a book written by some authors. There will always be beliefs. We live on beliefs and hopes and dreams. That's all it is.
People will be always believe what they want until there is proof. There is no set answer. Even when there is proof, the other side will still believe what they want to. It's always going to be like that. Religion is there to help people. Is it true, yes and no... it depends on who you talk to. People live by the bible, but even ministers and highly religious people say that the bible is a story... a book written by some authors. There will always be beliefs. We live on beliefs and hopes and dreams. That's all it is.
Thor06
09-05-2006, 11:49 PM
:lol: You said "proof" and if you take out the r you get "poof" which is what my ass just did!
Anyway, my professor said something interesting. Well, two things. The first thing was, "I didnt die when I got stung by a sting ray." The other interesting thing he said is that nothing can be absolutely proven but it can be absolutely disproven. He was talking about evolution when he said that. I dont know, just thought I would interject. Ha ha, I said interject and thats what I am going to go do.
Anyway, my professor said something interesting. Well, two things. The first thing was, "I didnt die when I got stung by a sting ray." The other interesting thing he said is that nothing can be absolutely proven but it can be absolutely disproven. He was talking about evolution when he said that. I dont know, just thought I would interject. Ha ha, I said interject and thats what I am going to go do.
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