Why do you hate Nascar?

Imagine a high speed chase, holding a speed of 150mph. Nascars race in a circle so they can keep that speed. Going into the corner requires skill or else you could get left behind. Also, the crashes. The crashes make it interesting because you always have to have your wits about you. Now that you know what Nascar is, why do you think it's boring?

I can think of one reason, when they race on really small tracks, then it just takes the speed out of it. But other than that, it is an amazing motorsport. I'm seeing damn t-shirts with the Nascar stripes saying BORING. I used to hate Nascar till I actually knew what it was. So now that you know, I sure hope you change your point of view a bit. Now I love all types of racing, not just one type.

What does this have to do with drifting? And by the sound of the title it seems as if you are implying that we hate NASCAR. Who on AF said they hated NASCAR?

What does this have to do with drifting? And by the sound of the title it seems as if you are implying that we hate NASCAR. Who on AF said they hated NASCAR?

I was surfing for KA-T info and at drifting.com they sell a shirt that says Boring with the Nascar stripes. I assumed that you drifters on AF are the same. What am I racist for thinking so??

i find nascar to be pretty boring for 2 reasons.

1: stock cars are not stock cars in the least!
2: oval racing in general is boring.

sure it may be alot harder than it looks but i surely dont want to watch a car take 2 left hand turns for an hour. no thanks. the crashes are pretty cool but if the downside of any sport is your entertainment, it kind of says something.

I dont hate it, and i dont love it. Its just here, and im like, "eh, w/e".

I was surfing for KA-T info and at drifting.com they sell a shirt that says Boring with the Nascar stripes. I assumed that you drifters on AF are the same. What am I racist for thinking so??


You are not racist for thinking so and I don't really know where you got that idea or if you are implying that I said that. Seems like somewhat of an outrageous question regardless if it is rhetorical. I do think NASCAR is boring because its cars going in an oval over and over agian. And if I want to see a crash I would probably just go to youtube and do a search. But that is just me.

I was surfing for KA-T info and at drifting.com they sell a shirt that says Boring with the Nascar stripes. I assumed that you drifters on AF are the same. What am I racist for thinking so??

Well I mean I myself find NASCAR excruciatingly(sp?) boring, but your allowed to enjoy it. Assumtions are kinda a dumb thing but thats just my opinion.

Plus there is something about screeching around a corner going sideways at 90 miles per hour I find really appealing to whatch... and experience... even though being in the passengers seat scares the shit outta me.

P.S. Race has nothing to do with which motorsport you find boring or exciting.

I find it boring due to the fact the only go left, give them a right turn and they would be like "does not compute"

Imagine a high speed chase, holding a speed of 150mph. Nascars race in a circle so they can keep that speed. Going into the corner requires skill or else you could get left behind. Also, the crashes. The crashes make it interesting because you always have to have your wits about you. Now that you know what Nascar is, why do you think it's boring?

I can think of one reason, when they race on really small tracks, then it just takes the speed out of it. But other than that, it is an amazing motorsport. I'm seeing damn t-shirts with the Nascar stripes saying BORING. I used to hate Nascar till I actually knew what it was. So now that you know, I sure hope you change your point of view a bit. Now I love all types of racing, not just one type.
I don’t hate NASCAR. I hate the racing they are doing now and calling NASCAR.

The whole point of NASCAR was to make racing affordable by having stock cars with a minium amount of safety equipment race. The point was to getaway from the racing that needed massive sponsorship to get into.

To me NASCAR has become nothing more then an expensive joke.

IMO the only good thing NASCAR has given us is....

A)Pretty sweet crashes
B)A reason to be drunk on sundays

But all in all it is a very boring thing to sit and watch. I've been to 2 races and the only good thing was the parties at night.

I don’t hate NASCAR. I hate the racing they are doing now and calling NASCAR.

The whole point of NASCAR was to make racing affordable by having stock cars with a minium amount of safety equipment race. The point was to getaway from the racing that needed massive sponsorship to get into.

To me NASCAR has become nothing more then an expensive joke.

That's a really good point about it being ruined. To those that say they only go in ovals, mostly yes and that does not compute joke was funny, BUT MY FRIENDS Nascar goes to some road tracks like Infineon in Sonoma (one of my favorite tracks). Now that was fun to watch and it was just the qualifying. I missed the race by accident. I personally like the race cars. Even if they're toyota camrys, they have serious big block V8s.

Big block V8s driving in circles doing nothing. I admit it takes a little skill but do you need a V8, something that really kills the environment to go in a circle? I mean you can do A WHOLE LOT with a V6 and there is deffinatly a difference in emissions(sp) for only a 2 cylinder difference.

EDIT: rewording.

Big block V8s driving in circles doing nothing. I admit it takes a little skill but do you need a V8, something that really kills the environment to go in a circle? I mean you can do A WHOLE LOT with a V6 and the difference in emissions(sp) are pretty drastic for only 2 cylinders.
lol i hope you're not being serious

About the two cylinders being a pretty drastic difference? Or being aware of emissions. The emisions thing I am completely serious about.

I don't know enough about engines and stuff to say drastic, I reworded it.

When it comes to racing....of any kind with a gas/diesel motor, fuel effieciency and emissions are the least of the worries. They look how they can win, not how they can make fewer emissions. And the problem isn't NASCAR, F1, Champ Car, etc. The problem is us. People who drive around a H2 when all it is, is a married woman with 1 kid and a purse to put in the middle. It is the hundreds of millions of cars ( America alone), trucks, SUV's, and even large Semi's that are doing 99.9% of automobile pollution.

People who drive around a H2 when all it is, is a married woman with 1 kid and a purse to put in the middle. It is the hundreds of millions of cars ( America alone), trucks, SUV's, and even large Semi's that are doing 99.9% of automobile pollution.

So right. I would much rather soccer mom drive a damn sedan and leave the V8s for racing. But alas....

ya know when your behind a Hummer you can't see for shit... its upsetting. Plus they are pretty damn ugly.

When it comes to racing....of any kind with a gas/diesel motor, fuel effieciency and emissions are the least of the worries. They look how they can win, not how they can make fewer emissions. And the problem isn't NASCAR, F1, Champ Car, etc. The problem is us. People who drive around a H2 when all it is, is a married woman with 1 kid and a purse to put in the middle. It is the hundreds of millions of cars ( America alone), trucks, SUV's, and even large Semi's that are doing 99.9% of automobile pollution.

Thank you for stating it's not the racer's fault.

So right. I would much rather soccer mom drive a damn sedan and leave the V8s for racing. But alas....

ya know when your behind a Hummer you can't see for shit... its upsetting. Plus they are pretty damn ugly.

The H1 Alphas are the shit. anything after the H1 is a poser but the Alphas are a technological addition to the original Hummers. Btw, the H1 alpha wasn't made by Hummer anymore...weird.

If people can drive what they wanna drive ( and pollute the earth) than racers can choose drifting over Nascar because they want something else, just like H2 owners not driving Hondas.

NASCAR,you either love it or you hate it,Have any of you even been to any short tracks,like in the pits,thats the real stuff,some might be NASCAR sanctioned but most of these guys run on their own budget,and thats where alot of these NASCAR drivers started,not all,some were handed everything,my cousin races a late model on asphalt,when you can spend 15K on a motor,500 bucks every set of tires(every few races)110 octane every week,trailer,truck,and everything else,with little to no sponsorship,that is real racing,that's where you start and MAYBE one day get to NASCAR.

NASCAR,you either love it or you hate it,Have any of you even been to any short tracks,like in the pits,thats the real stuff,some might be NASCAR sanctioned but most of these guys run on their own budget,and thats where alot of these NASCAR drivers started,not all,some were handed everything,my cousin races a late model on asphalt,when you can spend 15K on a motor,500 bucks every set of tires(every few races)110 octane every week,trailer,truck,and everything else,with little to no sponsorship,that is real racing,that's where you start and MAYBE one day get to NASCAR.

Riverhead Raceway by me is a short track, you start with blunderbusts or figure 8's or however much money you have to buy and/or build a race car.

where are you located?..never heard of that track.

Seems to me that even if "drifters" hate NASCAR, at least the NASCAR drivers like drifting.

http://www.driftlive.com/photos/driftlive_gallery/NascarVsD1/HH5T6832.JPG

http://www.driftlive.com/?p=342
NASCAR meets D1GP at Irwindale (http://www.driftlive.com/?p=344)

No kind of racing can be completly boring, my problem with NASCAR is the way it is run, for example.
These cars have nothing to do with their stock counterparts they should make them use the stock drivetrain, completly stock body shape, stock suspension arms, stock chassies (with roll cages of course).
NASCAR changes the rules for all the different companys, for example they allowed Dodge to stretch the front end of their cars 2.5 extra inches so they could get more downforce because they were not winning any races, about the same time Ford was wining too many races so they had to increase their min height and reduce the width of their rear spoiler. This is all a bunch of BS whoever engineers the best racecar should have that advantage, the ability to have that edge is what drives inovation.
No hair pins, no right turns, the whole thing gets a little repeditive.
Other types of racing have been the insparation for many great cars and inovations, Rally racing is responsable for the development of advanced AWD systems and such cars as the 959, Evo, and WRX STi. The Japaneese near stock racing have spawned such cars as the amazing Supra, NSX, and Skyline. What has NASCAR given us?? NOTHING! ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!! How is a famly sedan limited to very outdated technology going to inovate anything??? I think compared to other types of racing NASCAR is WAY overated and almost a waste of time.

NASCAR is not my favorite series!!! :lol:

No kind of racing can be completly boring, my problem with NASCAR is the way it is run, for example.
These cars have nothing to do with their stock counterparts they should make them use the stock drivetrain, completly stock body shape, stock suspension arms, stock chassies (with roll cages of course).
NASCAR changes the rules for all the different companys, for example they allowed Dodge to stretch the front end of their cars 2.5 extra inches so they could get more downforce because they were not winning any races, about the same time Ford was wining too many races so they had to increase their min height and reduce the width of their rear spoiler. This is all a bunch of BS whoever engineers the best racecar should have that advantage, the ability to have that edge is what drives inovation.

IMSA and the ACO, the sanctioning bodies behind the American Le Mans Series, Le Mans Endurance Series, and Japanese Le Mans Challenge have been changing the rules throughout the whole of 2006 in an attempt to reel in top teams. As of this writing, the Dyson Lola is allowed a weight break and larger fuel cell than the Audi R10, and the Corvette C6R has received air inlet restrictors and weight penalties.

In FIA GT, Speed World Challenge, BTCC, and the former JGTC, winning cars receive "rewards weight" to balance the field. The more you win, the heavier your car gets.

The Grand American Road Racing Association "baselines" all engine packages by testing the engines, establishing the weakest one, and then adjusting the rules for the other engines to bring them down to the weakest engine's level.

Even Australian V8 Supercars routinely rebalances the rulebook to bring the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon more onto an even playing field.

No hair pins, no right turns, the whole thing gets a little repeditive.

Then you dislike oval racing, which is perfectly fine, but there is a huge audience for oval racing and to criticize a series for appealing to an audience you're not a part of is rather ridiculous.

Other types of racing have been the insparation for many great cars and inovations, Rally racing is responsable for the development of advanced AWD systems and such cars as the 959, Evo, and WRX STi. The Japaneese near stock racing have spawned such cars as the amazing Supra, NSX, and Skyline. What has NASCAR given us?? NOTHING! ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!! How is a famly sedan limited to very outdated technology going to inovate anything??? I think compared to other types of racing NASCAR is WAY overated and almost a waste of time.

NASCAR has actually been the inspiration for many great cars and innovation of the past. In fact, were it not for NASCAR the overhead valve engine never would have found precedence in the American motor car over valve-in-block designs.

Little known fact, actually, is that the overhead cam design is far older than the pushrod actuated cam-in-block overhead valve design.

NASCAR is also responsible for lighter American cars gaining favor in the mid-60's (compare a Fairlane to a Galaxie or a Charger to a Fury), and it was NASCAR teams who were at the forefront of streamlining.

In fact, in 1970, a NASCAR stock car was one of the very few racing cars capable of breaching the 200mph barrier (the others being a USAC Indy car, a Can Am car, or a Group 5 prototype such as the Porsche 917).

The Wood Brothers NASCAR team is also credited with inventing the high-speed orchestrated pit stop, and were often called upon as consultants to Indy and F1 teams to improve their pit crew performance.

And when you consider cars like the Hudson Hornet, fuel injected 55-57 Chevrolet Bel Airs, supercharged Ford Fairlanes, Chrysler 300 hemis, Ford Torino Talladega and Mercury Cyclone Spoiler, Dodge Charger Daytona and Plymouth Road Runner Superbird, you see that NASCAR has a rich history of spawning production race cars that further American research into engine development, chassis design, and aerodynamics.

That you cite cars like the Honda/Acura NSX and Nissan Skyline as being creations of Japanese racing proves to me that you really are basing your argument on very few facts. The NSX was conceived as a way to cement the Acura brand as a world luxury player in sales and image. It was a head-on to Ferrari that failed on that account. Oddly enough, the very VERY first place the NSX raced was in SCCA competition IN AMERICA. That car, production #003, was in the care of Realtime Racing, and won Speed World Challenge championships up until it was retired to the Honda museum in Japan.

The Skyline GTR is the sport coupe version of the Skyline sedan. Much the same as the Chevelle SS was the sport coupe version of the Chevrolet Malibu sedan. Its racing pedigree is as an international touring car from the 70's, undefeated in national competition, and an occasional occurence in international competition.

The R32GTR is responsible for the "Godzilla" myth as it dominated Australian Super Touring in the early 90's before the series was reconceived as V8 Supercars. Its main competition came from BMW M3's (E30 generation) and Ford Cosworth Sierras. However, in international competition, the Skyline GTR once again comes up bare.

Its Fairlady Z sports car counterpart, however, has enjoyed international success galore in World Rally (especially the Safari Rally), IMSA, SCCA, and international touring competition. To this day, the Z is an icon, while the Skyline GTR is a curiousity outside of Japan.

In order to make claims about motorsport history, and a particular motorsport's contributions to auto racing, you must first have a basic understanding of motorsports history. You clearly do not. It's quite all right that you dislike NASCAR. I don't like NASCAR either. However, instead of trying to puff up your opinion with half-facts, blanket statements, and pure nonsense, why not simply say "It doesn't appeal to me."?

IMSA and the ACO, the sanctioning bodies behind the American Le Mans Series, Le Mans Endurance Series, and Japanese Le Mans Challenge have been changing the rules throughout the whole of 2006 in an attempt to reel in top teams. As of this writing, the Dyson Lola is allowed a weight break and larger fuel cell than the Audi R10, and the Corvette C6R has received air inlet restrictors and weight penalties.

In FIA GT, Speed World Challenge, BTCC, and the former JGTC, winning cars receive "rewards weight" to balance the field. The more you win, the heavier your car gets.

I just finished watching my first Fia GT race and at the 24 hours of Spa, the Maserati got winning weight, and I really like that rule. I however don't like the rules in ALMS where a corvette gets so much weight it never wins. Damn aston martin fanboys.

where are you located?..never heard of that track.

Riverhead is out on Long Island of NY, where we used to have tons of tracks but they're all getting bulldozed. Riverhead is a good location though so it gets a lot of business. They host, what I think must be the smallest Nascar race, I don't actually know what it's called but they do 200 laps. Here's the website, which should help explain things better!

http://www.riverheadraceway.com/

Watching nascar is very boring. I am sure that participating is another story. I wouldn't be so boring to watch if they would do away with the dang restrictor plates and let em go 220 or so.


Oh, and to answer your question. I HATE Nascar because it killed the greatest channel ever- Speedvision.

Watching nascar is very boring. I am sure that participating is another story. I wouldn't be so boring to watch if they would do away with the dang restrictor plates and let em go 220 or so.


Oh, and to answer your question. I HATE Nascar because it killed the greatest channel ever- Speedvision.

I'm glad someone said it. it's all advertising to those goof balls now. Remember speedboat night and stunt-plane night and Muscle Car night? That was the greatest format ever. You can still catch some of those shows but very rarely.

Riverhead is out on Long Island of NY, where we used to have tons of tracks but they're all getting bulldozed. Riverhead is a good location though so it gets a lot of business. They host, what I think must be the smallest Nascar race, I don't actually know what it's called but they do 200 laps. Here's the website, which should help explain things better!

http://www.riverheadraceway.com/

Ironic that drift events are held there, no?


I feel that NASCAR, while I do deeply respect the drivers and teams, the sport is just boring to watch.

Give me SPEED World Challenge, now thats some exciting racing.

the crashes are pretty cool but if the downside of any sport is your entertainment, it kind of says something.

Agreed :disappoin

I dont hate it, and i dont love it. Its just here, and im like, "eh, w/e".I have to agree - it gets to reppetitive thoughoval laps are boring but the crashes are sweet, I also like that the deivers also do different things (drifting, sprint, etc)

Just from reading the title of the forum I have a very simple answer for all of you... The cars on the track go round and round, round and round, round and round! lol. And yo I think pretty much all drifters do think nascar is boring that's why we like drifting we like something interesting and pretty damn impressive. Just because something is hard to do doesn't make it fun to watch for 2 hours. I mean tennis ball goes this way ball goes that way, who the hell watches tennis! lol Maybe just tennis players, and just cuz tennis is boring doesn't mean it's not hard, seriously go play against a pro for 2 min and ur done for... still boring to watch. Now drifting is fun to watch since there is so many different variations of drifts and each person has there own style. I don't know why people think drifting is the slowest way around a corner, cuz if you do it right it can become the fastest way. These formula d guys just put on a show by going 90 mph and then slideing the car till it hits 30 again but hit that corner just right and keep ur speed and you got a race winner. Nascars need to get up to speed with the rest of the world and start racing on road tracks. I don't mean sometimes oval and sometimes road, I mean all road. Oval tracks are boring any which way you slice em, you'll still have 360 degrees of the same old thing. I actually think they should make really long courses that don't connect on the ends, that way you never race the same part twice. Anyway yes nice cars, good drivers, lame tracks makes nascar B-O-R-I-N-G boring.
P.S.-I think I might buy that shirt.

the fights rule but i still hate nascar