2003 Mustang Cobra vs S2000

2003 SVT Mustang

Displacement: 4,601cc/280cid
Compression ratio: 8.5:1
Horsepower: 390 hp @ 6,000 rpm
Torque: 390 lb.-ft. @ 3,500 rpm
Curb Weight : Coupe - 3,665 lbs. (1,662 kg), Convertible - 3,780 lbs. (1,715 kg)


Estimated 1/4 mile ET: 12.28 Convertable- 12.41

2003 Honda S2000

Displacement (liters) 2.0
Horsepower @ rpm (SAE net) 240 @ 8300
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm) 153 @ 7500
Compression Ratio 11.0:1
Curb Weight (lbs.) 2810

Estimated 1/4 mile ET: 13.22


Here is my question, which is better, and -WHY-. So much as "I prefer how it looks" works for me, but dont just say "its faster, because its honda" That dosent work for me, especally sence the numbers say its slower.

I feel dirty now that I voted for the 'stang:mad: Normally I am an import guy, but you just can't turn away 390 stock horsepower. The fact that you need to rev the hell out of an S2000 is a determining factor for me, as well as the fact that you can't have it as a hardtop.

P.S. Good comparison TV. The same price range as well as the same demographic for potential buyers. Good choice.:sun:

wheres the Geo Metro choice?

its by far the better performer... proven time and time again by Magazines and street races.

I like the Mustang cause, it makes its power quicker... i guess?


i dunno, something about having to rev to 8K to get your peek horsepwer ..

seems like under normal driving it would a slug unless you downshifted, and slammed the pedal.

mustang handles well, runs incredible fast, and is very easily modded (big gains in i/h/e pully etc because of downtuning). and the new ford supercharing are notorious for seeing huge gains when swapped for a quick spooling turbo. no question the aftermarket will be enormus and some deadly machines will be on the street soon.

the small 4-cyc is a nice contender but preformancewise doesn't stand a chance. but theres nothing like touching 9000rpm with the top down.

so in all its what you would want. both have a large aftermarket, and whether you want preformance or style and class is up to you.

but my vote goes for the SVT

Unfortunately I had to vote for the ford, even as much as I like the S2000, these are both totally different class of cars. The S2000 is meant for the road coarse, and mustang is meant for the drag strip. Now ofcourse being a sportscar they will be able to perform good in the other class, but it is not where it will shine.

btw I hate ford.

Front: Modified MacPherson strut system with gas-charged Bilstein™ monotube dampeners and separate 600 lb/in (500 lb/in on convertible) spring on lower arm, 29mm tubular stabilizer bar
Rear: Multi-link independent system, cast iron upper control arm, aluminum lower control arm, fixed toe-control tie rod, aluminum spindle, gas-charged Bilstein™ monotube shock absorber, 600 lb/in (470 lb/in on convertible) coil spring, 26mm tubular stabilizer bar
BRAKES

Front: 13.0 in. (330mm) vented Brembo™ disc, PBR™ twin-piston caliper
Rear: 11.65 in. (296mm) vented disc, single-piston caliper
ABS: Four-channel, four sensor system
WHEELS AND TIRES

Wheels: 17 x 9 in., five-spoke cast aluminum-alloy, machined surface, exposed lugs, optional chrome wheel available
Tires: Goodyear Eagle F1, 275/40ZR-17


Its good for the road course as well.

S2K
High X-Bone Monocoque Frame
Independent In-Wheel Double Wishbone Suspension w/Coil Springs
Stabilizer Bar (mm, front/rear) 27.2/28.6
Electric Power-Assisted Rack-and-Pinion Steering (EPS)
Steering Wheel Turns, Lock-to-Lock 2.4
Turning Diameter, Curb-to Curb (ft.) 35.4
Power-Assisted 4-Wheel Disc Brakes
Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS) 3-Channel
Wheels (front/rear) 16x6.5 / 16x7.5
Tires: Bridgestone Potenza S-02 (front/rear) P205/55 R16 89W / P225/50 R16 92W


I'd say looking at it that the cobra is better for the road course, the S2K at higher speeds has a wobble that really throws off performance *been in one, a brand new one with only 500 babyed miles, and talked to several other drivers of them* Whereas the older Cobra R model was rated by road and track (I believe it was road and track) as best handling of the three cars tested. (R, Vette, Viper)

Overall my vote is way for the Cobra. I'm going to link this to the honda section so we can get the hardcore honda boys and girls in here.

I'm just trying to figure out how it can have an estimated time of 12.2 with 360 hp and a curb weight of 3600+ lbs...I mean the Corvette Z06 with 405hp is hard to drive to anything better than a 12.4. I mean there's more to a quick time than weight and hp, so I know it's possible, I'm just wondering...

Anyone know how much a z06 weighs?

Chevy seems to feel thats not important :rolleyes:

And who voted for the S2000? Obviously not a good vote because there isnt a reason behind it ;)

first of all, the stats given on the S2000 are way off. It runs a 14 flat in the 1/4, not a 13.2. and I'm a bit skeptical about the cobra's too, I heard it would run a mid 12 stock and a low 12 with the pulley off of the lightning blower, but I'm not sure.
"self"- the cobra has 390 hp, not 360 and I think the Z06 weighs somewhere around 3,200 lbs. It does seem weird that the cobra is quicker than the Z06 if you go by the numbers the factory is giving you, but you can't always believe what the factory tells you. Some hp ratings can be quite moddest from the factory, so the only way to really compare hp is to strap them both on a dyno.
My pick would definately be the Cobra

First off your quarter mile times are way off!A stock 03 Cobra runs
about13.2-13.4,and a S2000 runs 13.9-14.2.And as the speeds
increase so would the Cobra's advantage.That would be the shortest
race in history!
95yellovett(Z07)

Also, I read somewhere that because of the '01 stang cobra horsepower fiasco (where ford rated it at 320 hp and it was actually like 305 hp) that the estimates for the '03 cobra were conservative, and it actually might have over 400 hp. Does anyone know anything about this?

Originally posted by 95yellovett
First off your quarter mile times are way off!A stock 03 Cobra runs
about13.2-13.4,and a S2000 runs 13.9-14.2.And as the speeds
increase so would the Cobra's advantage.That would be the shortest
race in history!
95yellovett(Z07)

in all the magazines, yes. these are for a number of factors:

1. they weren't broken in
2. they're drivers weren't adequte
3. their cobras had a weaker pully off the line

it is rumoured some have a much stronger pully which makes a huge difference, or that the other ones were incorectly placed on the vehicle.

but i know some guy took out the seats, spent a week driving around breaking it in, and then shifted at 500rpm past the redline, and pulled a 12.3 which is where all these numbers are coming from.

even if he was lucky, basic i/h/e and pully upgrade will remove the factory restraints and let the beast go like it should. throw a turbo on there and you'll have a monster.

Originally posted by street_racer_00
Also, I read somewhere that because of the '01 stang cobra horsepower fiasco (where ford rated it at 320 hp and it was actually like 305 hp) that the estimates for the '03 cobra were conservative, and it actually might have over 400 hp. Does anyone know anything about this?

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Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
Front: Modified MacPherson strut system with gas-charged Bilstein™ monotube dampeners and separate 600 lb/in (500 lb/in on convertible) spring on lower arm, 29mm tubular stabilizer bar
Rear: Multi-link independent system, cast iron upper control arm, aluminum lower control arm, fixed toe-control tie rod, aluminum spindle, gas-charged Bilstein™ monotube shock absorber, 600 lb/in (470 lb/in on convertible) coil spring, 26mm tubular stabilizer bar
BRAKES

Front: 13.0 in. (330mm) vented Brembo™ disc, PBR™ twin-piston caliper
Rear: 11.65 in. (296mm) vented disc, single-piston caliper
ABS: Four-channel, four sensor system
WHEELS AND TIRES

Wheels: 17 x 9 in., five-spoke cast aluminum-alloy, machined surface, exposed lugs, optional chrome wheel available
Tires: Goodyear Eagle F1, 275/40ZR-17


Its good for the road course as well.

S2K
High X-Bone Monocoque Frame
Independent In-Wheel Double Wishbone Suspension w/Coil Springs
Stabilizer Bar (mm, front/rear) 27.2/28.6
Electric Power-Assisted Rack-and-Pinion Steering (EPS)
Steering Wheel Turns, Lock-to-Lock 2.4
Turning Diameter, Curb-to Curb (ft.) 35.4
Power-Assisted 4-Wheel Disc Brakes
Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS) 3-Channel
Wheels (front/rear) 16x6.5 / 16x7.5
Tires: Bridgestone Potenza S-02 (front/rear) P205/55 R16 89W / P225/50 R16 92W


I'd say looking at it that the cobra is better for the road course, the S2K at higher speeds has a wobble that really throws off performance *been in one, a brand new one with only 500 babyed miles, and talked to several other drivers of them* Whereas the older Cobra R model was rated by road and track (I believe it was road and track) as best handling of the three cars tested. (R, Vette, Viper)

Overall my vote is way for the Cobra. I'm going to link this to the honda section so we can get the hardcore honda boys and girls in here.


I was at firebird the day car & driver were doing their tests on the cobra. Too bad I didn't go down and hang out with some of the guys under their tent.

er, the old Cobra model was ranked third against the viper and vet. It was awhile back behind the vette, and a very long ways back behind the viper. http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/comparisontests/2001/February/200102_comparisontest_yankeeboomers.xml (SVT / ACR / Z06)
Even the older mustang had a skidpad of .99gs compared to the 2003's .90gs. And the old SVT only had 5hp less. zzzzzz. come again?

Originally posted by Bryan8412


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I'd choose the S2000 because I prefer 2-seaters. ;) I could live with being out run by the top model Mustang... :p
Originally posted by street_racer_00
...as well as the fact that you can't have it as a hardtop. There are a few removable hardtops available for the S2000, but they're not cheap.

Originally posted by street_racer_00
Also, I read somewhere that because of the '01 stang cobra horsepower fiasco (where ford rated it at 320 hp and it was actually like 305 hp) that the estimates for the '03 cobra were conservative, and it actually might have over 400 hp. Does anyone know anything about this?

It could very well be underrated. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Chevy's underrated it's LS1's since they began production in 97 with the vettes and 98 with the Camaros. It's an insurance/kick in the pants thing. Owners love that it's less insurance, more hidden power. Insurance companies rate the car slightly more favorably that it would be it the true power was on it (it's still a V8, so it's gonna be high anyway).

I know that the exhaust on the new Cobra is restrictive as hell because of the noise that the original made. Replace that and you've already got big gains.

I can't wait until my warranty runs out :( ....

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS


It could very well be underrated. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Chevy's underrated it's LS1's since they began production in 97 with the vettes and 98 with the Camaros. It's an insurance/kick in the pants thing. Owners love that it's less insurance, more hidden power. Insurance companies rate the car slightly more favorably that it would be it the true power was on it (it's still a V8, so it's gonna be high anyway).

I know that the exhaust on the new Cobra is restrictive as hell because of the noise that the original made. Replace that and you've already got big gains.

I can't wait until my warranty runs out :( ....

do you have a pic of your car that we all could see? :D

link dosent work, so untill I see it, I'll go with what the magizine I read says. ;)

Street_Racer_00, here ya go, both of my babies:

http://iserv4.kodak.com/ic_server/bolt/f/8/d/3/6/f88dd1316a5aacee.jpg
http://iserv4.kodak.com/ic_server/bolt/4/e/4/b/7/46ea47b37b0801ce.jpg
http://iserv4.kodak.com/ic_server/bolt/4/a/8/a/a/4da080aea54de70d.jpg

They're not the most recent, i.e. I don't have the Kansas Jayhawks sticker on the back window anymore, and the fact that those pictures were taken before any of the mods were done, but the exterior is just the same.

Originally posted by street_racer_00


Oh my bad, sorry bout that, the AF servers were acting up, again. Consider it done.

its cool, just saw alot of multiple posts of yours and just wondering if you knew you could always remove them. and yes, AF acts up alot, but hopefully since they moved it might not be as bad. so far it hasn't been...

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
Street_Racer_00, here ya go, both of my babies:

http://iserv4.kodak.com/ic_server/bolt/f/8/d/3/6/f88dd1316a5aacee.jpg
http://iserv4.kodak.com/ic_server/bolt/4/e/4/b/7/46ea47b37b0801ce.jpg
http://iserv4.kodak.com/ic_server/bolt/4/a/8/a/a/4da080aea54de70d.jpg

They're not the most recent, i.e. I don't have the Kansas Jayhawks sticker on the back window anymore, and the fact that those pictures were taken before any of the mods were done, but the exterior is just the same.

nice SS man. I like the LT1 Z too as you can see why.:D what all have you done to the Lt1 Z?

Yeah man, I sure wish I had an LT1 to call my own, but the 95 is just a 3.4L V6, it was my starter. It's what I learned to drive a stick on, then I graduated to the LS1 with a six speed :D . But hell, if it can pass for a Z from afar, that's fine with me...

That's why I don't have it in my sig. All I've done to the V6 was put a catback on it so it sounded/looked a little better.

Originally posted by street_racer_00
Also, I read somewhere that because of the '01 stang cobra horsepower fiasco (where ford rated it at 320 hp and it was actually like 305 hp) that the estimates for the '03 cobra were conservative, and it actually might have over 400 hp. Does anyone know anything about this?


It was the 99 cobra that did not produce the hp. They were all recalled and fixed, a little bit of honing, straighting out the exhaust and some recalibration got them where they were supposed to be. But, due to all that they did not produce a regular 2000 cobra, just the limited cobra R. The 2003 are probably underrated. I have seen dyno charts of stock 2003s putting down around 370-375 at wheels.




Hands down the s2000 is no competiton for the cobra. Im friends with a guy who has one, and when I was driving it, it felt about like a civic untill 6k rpm. Then it sets you back a bit all the way to 9k rpm. For a honda its a nice car:D Handles well, just could use some low end grunt to get it off the line.

alot of people think mine is a V6 from a distance because of the color combination I guess. I actually thought about taking the badges off to keep people wondering and to surprise unsuspecting stang owners.:D

whoa, those are some phatty houses in the background! The car is nice too, lol:p

yeah the new cobra had to be modestly rated to be pulling those kind of numbers. I wouldn't doubt it if it was really close to that 390 rating.

The little bit that you can see in the background of the second picture was my old house in St. Louis. Now the fam is has a house in Kansas City.

Originally posted by MadZ
yeah the new cobra had to be modestly rated to be pulling those kind of numbers. I wouldn't doubt it if it was really close to that 390 rating.

Yeah, I knew they weren't gonna fuck around this time. They couldn't afford to have anything happen like with the 99's.

I keep hearing its over 400 but ford underrated it. Who knows, all I know is I like it, just wish it looked more distinguishable (sp) than the GT's

Hell I wish it was more distinguishable from other Cobras, too. The only way to really tell on the road is if you hear the supercharger whining on it. Other than that, the differences are so small that with only a quick glance, there's not much time to tell.

I'm sure that was part of their design intentions, though.

They made the hood a little different didn't they? The hood scoops look like something I've seen as an option for the Pontiac Grand Am's.

In all honesty, until my warranty runs out, I'm not sure that I'm going to be seeing the front end of many 03's unless they're in the process of passing me. I want a supercharger...

Originally posted by DeViL
They made the hood a little different didn't they? The hood scoops look like something I've seen as an option for the Pontiac Grand Am's.

yep, non-functional reverse hood scoop to match the non-functional brake coolers :D

Originally posted by Bryan8412


yep, non-functional reverse hood scoop to match the non-functional brake coolers :D


Actually the reverse scoops are funtional. When moving forward the upward surge of air coming into the engine bay, forces heat out through the reverse facing vents in the hood. Atleast on the 94-96 mustangs the brake coolers are semi functional. They vent air into the wheel wells when moving forward. I think the retoric about nonfunctional scoops that your trying to repeat is about the hood scoop on 99 and newer GT and bullits. Those are non-functional, except on the 2003 Mach1 coming out for 2003.

Another small way to tell the difference between an 2003 and older cobras is that the snake emblems on the side, have painted red eyes on the 2003.

well just got schooled in a lesson by the cobra-master, thanks ;-) im just used to seeing the normal mustang with fake muscle appearance, guess i was wrong, thanks for the correction

LoL red eyes dude I'll look out for that next time I have a hard time distinguising 03 Cobras. Its not everyday I can get in front of a Cobra to see whether it has the 03 hood on it or not.

I think its cool as hell what Ford is doing with all the Mustangs. They made a Bullit Mustang based on an old movie, and they are bringing back the Mach I. Honestly the Mach I never impressed me one bit but to bring old Ford cars back into the present is a great idea. Its like taking you back to the 60's or something which I never got to experience unfortunately. :( Wish I could of man that must of been one hell of a time with all those powerful cars. Plymouths, Dodge, Ford, GM, Chrysler, everyone had there special little muscle cars man... it just had to die out like that.

Well if the GTO turns out well, then the days of musclecars may be comming back.

I am usually able to tell an '03 cobra from the rest by the wheels. The center cuts inwards. Other than that I have to use more drastic measures...lol, Just cut a cobra owner off to piss him off real good so you can see how fast he passes you and listen for the blower.:D j/k

yeah ive heard alot of places that ford has most likely underrated the new cobra becuase like someone else said, cannot afford a fiasco like they had with the 99, so i think that the 03 cobra is underrated powerwise.

I am a lot more positive about the new GTO now that Bob Lutz is working with GM than I was when GM rolled out that Rageous inspired GTO Concept a few years ago. Especially considering that they're planning on not screwing up the Monaro's attractive shape with Pontiac's de riguer 90lbs of plastic thingamabobs. Now let's hope that they deep six the old 4 speed slushbox and tool up a brand new five speed auto with auto-shift like Chrysler uses. That way, people who still haven't wrapped their heads around using a clutch pedal can enjoy spirited driving.

You know what impresses me even more, though, are the Pontiac Solstice and the Dodge Razor. Those two cars would be THE e-ticket ride to dust off legions of merely "sporty" cars like the new Si Civic, or the Hyundai Tiburon. Gotta love two seat, no nonsense, deadly attractive pure sports cars. I know I love mine.

Well if the GTO turns out well, then the days of musclecars may be comming back.

As cool as that would be, it most likely won't happen. A lot of the cars like the Roadrunner, Superbee, Dart, Charger, Challenger, etc etc that Dodge, Plymouth, Chrysler made, probably won't ever see the light of day again.

I seriously hope Chevy doesn't make another Chevelle. Ever seen what the new Malibu's look like? That shape would be your new Chevelle. Nova...that just isn't going to happen.

Ford Fairlane, old idea, done and over with.

The companies just don't have that much interest in remaking those cars anymore. I'm surprised Pontiac even made a GTO but I guess they needed at least one car that is fast.

I really like the older GTO concepts from the 90s. The Grand Prix G8 was a favourite, and then there was the one with the turbochared 3400TDC, making 350 hp, and 400 lbft... I love them both so very much!

Too bad we get this Aussie coupe instead... As for Ford, they never stopped making the Falcon is Australia, and they have some very nice models out down there. Just my opinion, but I think Holdens look like jelly beans...

Originally posted by Psman32@af
like someone else said, cannot afford a fiasco like they had with the 99, so i think that the 03 cobra is underrated powerwise.
*cough* me *cough.....yeah I even used that same word, fiasco....yay me....ok I'm done gloating.:D

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
Well if the GTO turns out well, then the days of musclecars may be comming back.

With the demise of the TA and Camero, it just wont ever be the same. Ford (and soon Chrysler) will have the only mid priced entries out there. The Vette is not to far off in price though

Originally posted by YogsVR4


With the demise of the TA and Camero, it just wont ever be the same. Ford (and soon Chrysler) will have the only mid priced entries out there. The Vette is not to far off in price though

Yeah, with the base 03 Cobras clocking in somewhere around $34K I think it was, and the well equipped ones going for much higher, they're definately approaching Vette territory. Not new Z06 price range, but certainly used Z06's and new base models.

That Holden car, the windows almost look shaped like a Mustang. The whole body reminds me of a Mustang, just rounded off a lot.

Yeah I'm surprised we haven't heard much ranting about that here about cost like there always is. "Why buy a Z06 Vette for around 50k with 405 when you can buy a 03 Cobra for around 34k and 390 hp."

For future references I'd like to say this. It costs that much because, its a Corvette. Shakespeare said something like "Whats in a name?" right. Whats in a name, a price thats what. A Mustang regardless whether its a Cobra, GT, or a V6, is most likely always going to cost less even with more power because its just another muscle car. It always has been like that, in the 60's up to today.

Nothing says "heritage" like forkin' over more money...

Originally posted by DeViL
Yeah I'm surprised we haven't heard much ranting about that here about cost like there always is. "Why buy a Z06 Vette for around 50k with 405 when you can buy a 03 Cobra for around 34k and 390 hp."

For future references I'd like to say this. It costs that much because, its a Corvette. Shakespeare said something like "Whats in a name?" right. Whats in a name, a price thats what. A Mustang regardless whether its a Cobra, GT, or a V6, is most likely always going to cost less even with more power because its just another muscle car. It always has been like that, in the 60's up to today.

Very true, but you are also paying for a better looking car when you buy the vette, and there's the whole status symbol thing. The Cobra is cool and all, but when you get right to it, it's still off of the mustang platform. The vette is a car of it's own. Yall see what I'm gettin' at? But yes, you hit the nail on the head with the point that the "Corvette" nameplate jacking up the price as well. I've been restoring a '72 vette for the past few years and you wouldn't believe how much more the vendors charge for an ordinary part just because it's for a Corvette, it's insane.

May my post be pasted to any Ford idiot who decides to make a comment of price between a Z06 or even a regular C5 vs the price of a 03 Cobra.:greenchai

The cobra is by far the best dollar per hp buy! The corvette is all about a name.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
The cobra is by far the best dollar per hp buy! The corvette is all about a name.

Correction, the cobra is NOW the best dollar per hp buy. Corvette has been all about the name since its creation, though I still want an LS6...

The context of the thead is 2003 cobra( read heading) No need for "correction"

I said correction earlier to leave no doubt that the earlier Cobras are not the 03 Cobra.

Also, I had forgotten the heading to this thread, so I did not recall what was being compared. At this point I don't even look at all of the threads names when I get all those emails with updates for threads...

Hard to keep up sometimes :)

ok well a friend of mine that lives in michigan says that he dynoed his '03 cobra and he put down 387 horses to the wheels. and he is completely stock...figure in a 15% drivetrain loss, and thats about 415-420 horses? so thats pretty mean...not to mention i bet with i/h/e and a new pulley, those things hit 500 horses.

I doubt you're going to boost up to 500 hp from just a few things like that.

Silly Ford fanboy's. There is a reason why the Corvette costs alot, and it is not simply because of a name. The Corvette has so much more at work then a Cobra. The Z06 even makes the Viper look like a neanderthal in car evolvement comparisons. The Vette is a perfect balance in track and straightline performance thne you could ask for, as well as everyday driveability (gotta love those fords 97dbs). And while you are now saying that the 03 Cobra is the best BHP/price blah blah bullshit, you are now falling into the ricer category and just changing liter to price. So if you can afford a Z06, more power to you, but if you can only afford a 03 Cobra, then too bad but you still have a nice car, just not as nice as a Vette. So next time you see a Koenigsigg CC, are you going to laugh at him because he spent a couple hundred thousand dollars on his car, and only is getting some 700 horses? While you are gettin galmsot 400 and 30 grand? My point exactly, stop comparing price tags because it is all relative to the individual budget.

And btw, there is a reason why the Vette and the Viper are in T1 for SCCA events while Mustangs, Camaros, and Transarms are in T2. The Corvette is in a whole other league then a Mustang, even as fast as it may be.

BTW, anybody at Mid Ohio outside Mansfield this last weekend for the season runoffs? I was there usually in turn 7, or on the hill at the keyhole.

WOW!...........i only hear silence after that post......i wonder why???

Originally posted by R1-rider
So next time you see a Koenigsigg CC, are you going to laugh at him because he spent a couple hundred thousand dollars on his car, and only is getting some 700 horses? While you are gettin galmsot 400 and 30 grand? My point exactly, stop comparing price tags because it is all relative to the individual budget.


wow... nicely put. Hell, I could supercharge my car and be making more power than the Z06, but I would take the Z06 over my supercharged Z any day.