import vs. domestic
noreaga0221
08-26-2002, 07:43 PM
no this isnt the same old post saying technology is better than bigger engines, its one about something i say last night while at this "car show". its a parking lot a shit load of people go and chill every sunday night near philly. well i was walking and saw euro tails on a mustang. i mean there is a clean distinction between imports, no, sport compacts and muscle cars. i also hate the label of import because not all cars called imports are actually imported. i'm not sure of the list but i know that toyota and nissan have plants in the US. but thats for another post.
i mean there is a natural aggression between sc car owners and owners of muscle cars. tuned right sc cars will easily smoke cars with over twice their displacement. this separation i thought was something to be proud of and valued. either you wanted a big engine with an aggressive looking clean car or you wanted a lighter car with an economy engine, tune that and make some serious power out of it for cheaper than buying the muscle car. this brings me to the question... does this mean the gap is starting to close? may this be the first step? will we see a ctr engine in a mustang next? haha probably not but maybe a vr-4 or 4g63. i mean you either should be strict sc or strict muscle. i enjoy the battle and cant wait for the day when i can hand a corvette his ass and i know it will be soon. i only got like 3 seconds to make up. haha
leave some comments, bashing, praising me, whatever just let me know if some people feel the same way.
i mean there is a natural aggression between sc car owners and owners of muscle cars. tuned right sc cars will easily smoke cars with over twice their displacement. this separation i thought was something to be proud of and valued. either you wanted a big engine with an aggressive looking clean car or you wanted a lighter car with an economy engine, tune that and make some serious power out of it for cheaper than buying the muscle car. this brings me to the question... does this mean the gap is starting to close? may this be the first step? will we see a ctr engine in a mustang next? haha probably not but maybe a vr-4 or 4g63. i mean you either should be strict sc or strict muscle. i enjoy the battle and cant wait for the day when i can hand a corvette his ass and i know it will be soon. i only got like 3 seconds to make up. haha
leave some comments, bashing, praising me, whatever just let me know if some people feel the same way.
noreaga0221
08-28-2002, 06:31 PM
why did the reply get nuked?
and come people i know yous have something to say so stop viewing it if you're not going to reply!
and come people i know yous have something to say so stop viewing it if you're not going to reply!
Moppie
08-28-2002, 07:21 PM
Why does there have to be a clear line between "imports" and domestics"?
Whats so wrong with liking both? (i.e Small light weight cars, VS large V8s and 6s)
And it just so happens that both Nissan and Honda export cars from America to Japan, if you buy a Civic Coupe in Japan technicaly your buying an import.
Infact the use of "import" "domestic" terminalogy is nothing more than red neck American ignorance and a complete lack of awarness that there are other countrys in the world where cars are sold.
Whats so wrong with liking both? (i.e Small light weight cars, VS large V8s and 6s)
And it just so happens that both Nissan and Honda export cars from America to Japan, if you buy a Civic Coupe in Japan technicaly your buying an import.
Infact the use of "import" "domestic" terminalogy is nothing more than red neck American ignorance and a complete lack of awarness that there are other countrys in the world where cars are sold.
noreaga0221
08-28-2002, 07:35 PM
well in all reality nothing is wrong with liking or owning both. i just am spitting something out and seeing how people respong to the question, asking whether the gap is closing or not and how people would feel about it. i personally think it would be great. they already made a v8 focus hb with rwd. who knows whatis next.
Spec2 Girl
08-28-2002, 07:40 PM
Probably the reason why no one is replying is that the imports vs domestic issue has been done to death.
Ssom
08-30-2002, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by Spec2 Girl
Probably the reason why no one is replying is that the imports vs domestic issue has been done to death.
Exactly, it's over, there is no winner, each have thier own merits.
And yes Moppie is right, import is a redneck term for those who fail to realise that to all countries but America- the "domestics" are actually imports :mad:
Probably the reason why no one is replying is that the imports vs domestic issue has been done to death.
Exactly, it's over, there is no winner, each have thier own merits.
And yes Moppie is right, import is a redneck term for those who fail to realise that to all countries but America- the "domestics" are actually imports :mad:
TerminalVelocity
08-30-2002, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi
Exactly, it's over, there is no winner, each have thier own merits.
And yes Moppie is right, import is a redneck term for those who fail to realise that to all countries but America- the "domestics" are actually imports :mad:
correction, out here its a racing term for Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mitisibitchi (sp), Mazada etc...
Because Domestic we call Dodge, Chevy, Ford, and the like...
Yes, we know many are produced here, infact many "domestics" are imported to America these days *mexico*
First off, Musclecars are quite a bit cheeper than supin up an econno box. 67 289 mustang 3,000 (clean, good engine and parts) 4 more for 400hp+ 347 longblock with all the trim. 2g for tranny and gears etc. 1 more for all the rest.
Honda Civic Si 18 grand to buy it.
But the differences are mostly with the people. We have pleanty of wars between the domestics as well. Ford and Chevy to be the biggest. Generally, "imports" have less power, but better handling, thats always been the argument. The problem is many ricers (using the term losely) try to say their cars can go faster than the muscle cars (again, loose term). Well, they say by beefing up their engine, then forced induction, etc they can do it. Well once I happened to see a 6 sec 69 Lincon, yes it was totally converted for the strip, but i've seen many civics trying to do the same thing just to hit 10's.
Now lets look at something else
Making that same mustang handle as well
800 for lowering, 200 for shocks, 400 for stabalising bars, 5000 for front converson to each wheel being independent like most modern cars. 3000 to convert the rear coil springs instead of leaf springs. 1000 for rims and tires.
Needless to say the honda will do alot better, so why dont they embrace that aspect of racing? This I will never know. Most muscle heads like myself try handling simply because were bawlsy idiots :D But thats a different point.
Anyway, this was my tired rambling of the night...yes.....must get food now...
Exactly, it's over, there is no winner, each have thier own merits.
And yes Moppie is right, import is a redneck term for those who fail to realise that to all countries but America- the "domestics" are actually imports :mad:
correction, out here its a racing term for Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mitisibitchi (sp), Mazada etc...
Because Domestic we call Dodge, Chevy, Ford, and the like...
Yes, we know many are produced here, infact many "domestics" are imported to America these days *mexico*
First off, Musclecars are quite a bit cheeper than supin up an econno box. 67 289 mustang 3,000 (clean, good engine and parts) 4 more for 400hp+ 347 longblock with all the trim. 2g for tranny and gears etc. 1 more for all the rest.
Honda Civic Si 18 grand to buy it.
But the differences are mostly with the people. We have pleanty of wars between the domestics as well. Ford and Chevy to be the biggest. Generally, "imports" have less power, but better handling, thats always been the argument. The problem is many ricers (using the term losely) try to say their cars can go faster than the muscle cars (again, loose term). Well, they say by beefing up their engine, then forced induction, etc they can do it. Well once I happened to see a 6 sec 69 Lincon, yes it was totally converted for the strip, but i've seen many civics trying to do the same thing just to hit 10's.
Now lets look at something else
Making that same mustang handle as well
800 for lowering, 200 for shocks, 400 for stabalising bars, 5000 for front converson to each wheel being independent like most modern cars. 3000 to convert the rear coil springs instead of leaf springs. 1000 for rims and tires.
Needless to say the honda will do alot better, so why dont they embrace that aspect of racing? This I will never know. Most muscle heads like myself try handling simply because were bawlsy idiots :D But thats a different point.
Anyway, this was my tired rambling of the night...yes.....must get food now...
noreaga0221
08-30-2002, 11:34 AM
this thread wasnt started to see what car type is better.... i just wanted to ask people if they feel the gap between the cars is closing and is it the owners doing it or the manufacters?
mopord
08-30-2002, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by noreaga0221
why did the reply get nuked?
The reply wasn't nuked. I had spent a bit of time replying, just to realize I strayed from the subject at hand. Then spent another 10 minutes editing the reply just to get the "server busy" response after trying to submit it. The server busy happened so many times I gave up on it, wasn't about to retype it, so I deleted the original post rather than leave it there going off topic.
Now then, I don't think the gap you are referring to is closing. More likely I think, it is just that times are changing. I remember when the "in" thing was dark tinted covers over the headlights, taillights, and liscense plate. Today it is clear lenses, stickers,body kits, and 6 ft. tall wings on the back. it also has alot to do with the type of car owned. A person with an older "muscle car" (read before 1974) is likely to put more money into the engine first, then finish the body with what they have left. At the same time, if it is a newer car, normally the body and sound system get upgraded before the motor does. Now these are just generalizations, so please don't start flaming me, I realize not everyone falls into these groups.)
It used to be that a "kid" (by kid I mean age 16-early 20's) wanted his exhaust note to be heard by everyone in a 1/4 mile radius. Today's "kid" wants his stereo to be heard by everyone in a 1/4 mile radius.
Alot also has to do with the enviroment that a person grows up in. I grew up in the days of the old muscle car era where small blocks were laughed at by folks with a big block (and back then the arguement wasn't about whether a 4 banger could keep up with a V-8, it was small block owners bragging how their small block could run with a big block and which of the two was better-very similar to the "import vs domestic" arguements today). My daughters have never really been influenced by my model collection(all early type muscle cars) and have claimed my Ford Probe as theirs. My sons, on the other hand, have taken a liking to my models and my oldest boy(11 yrs old) is already claiming my Volare' project car as his.
The gap isn't closing, it is simply changing. And the owners started the trend, but if you look at some of the cars coming out of the showroom today, you can see the influence(at least with euro-clear taillights). Just my long winded .02 cents worth.
why did the reply get nuked?
The reply wasn't nuked. I had spent a bit of time replying, just to realize I strayed from the subject at hand. Then spent another 10 minutes editing the reply just to get the "server busy" response after trying to submit it. The server busy happened so many times I gave up on it, wasn't about to retype it, so I deleted the original post rather than leave it there going off topic.
Now then, I don't think the gap you are referring to is closing. More likely I think, it is just that times are changing. I remember when the "in" thing was dark tinted covers over the headlights, taillights, and liscense plate. Today it is clear lenses, stickers,body kits, and 6 ft. tall wings on the back. it also has alot to do with the type of car owned. A person with an older "muscle car" (read before 1974) is likely to put more money into the engine first, then finish the body with what they have left. At the same time, if it is a newer car, normally the body and sound system get upgraded before the motor does. Now these are just generalizations, so please don't start flaming me, I realize not everyone falls into these groups.)
It used to be that a "kid" (by kid I mean age 16-early 20's) wanted his exhaust note to be heard by everyone in a 1/4 mile radius. Today's "kid" wants his stereo to be heard by everyone in a 1/4 mile radius.
Alot also has to do with the enviroment that a person grows up in. I grew up in the days of the old muscle car era where small blocks were laughed at by folks with a big block (and back then the arguement wasn't about whether a 4 banger could keep up with a V-8, it was small block owners bragging how their small block could run with a big block and which of the two was better-very similar to the "import vs domestic" arguements today). My daughters have never really been influenced by my model collection(all early type muscle cars) and have claimed my Ford Probe as theirs. My sons, on the other hand, have taken a liking to my models and my oldest boy(11 yrs old) is already claiming my Volare' project car as his.
The gap isn't closing, it is simply changing. And the owners started the trend, but if you look at some of the cars coming out of the showroom today, you can see the influence(at least with euro-clear taillights). Just my long winded .02 cents worth.
noreaga0221
08-30-2002, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by mopord
Then spent another 10 minutes editing the reply just to get the "server busy" response after trying to submit it. The server busy happened so many times I gave up on it,
haha i make it a point to post early in the day because there is no way i'll be posting in the evening, i'll be lucky to just view the posts.
making the car look good and most ricey depending on the severity (sp) but thats just because most kids growing up today didnt go up with their dads working on the family cars. thats mainly because of the changes in the working world. its really weird how things can affect each other. but back when cars were simpler alot of people knew how to work on cars but with todays technology advanced cars its just not that easily to pick up without going to school for it. maybe thats why there is a difference in the generations and how they treat their cars. if i grew up with my dad owning an engine repair shop i would always be in there picking up tips and learning how to do tasks so i could do them myself if i had too. this would follow into me working on my own engine in my newer car. so maybe thats what we can blame for the misdirection of the youth of today.
Then spent another 10 minutes editing the reply just to get the "server busy" response after trying to submit it. The server busy happened so many times I gave up on it,
haha i make it a point to post early in the day because there is no way i'll be posting in the evening, i'll be lucky to just view the posts.
making the car look good and most ricey depending on the severity (sp) but thats just because most kids growing up today didnt go up with their dads working on the family cars. thats mainly because of the changes in the working world. its really weird how things can affect each other. but back when cars were simpler alot of people knew how to work on cars but with todays technology advanced cars its just not that easily to pick up without going to school for it. maybe thats why there is a difference in the generations and how they treat their cars. if i grew up with my dad owning an engine repair shop i would always be in there picking up tips and learning how to do tasks so i could do them myself if i had too. this would follow into me working on my own engine in my newer car. so maybe thats what we can blame for the misdirection of the youth of today.
Deakins
09-13-2002, 03:38 PM
Ok, I live in Norway, so...
"Domestic":
http://evworld.com/archives/conferences/naevi99/images/th!nk.jpg
"Import":
http://www.car-buying-strategies.com/2002-photos/2002-volkswagen-jetta.jpg
http://www.car-buying-strategies.com/2002-photos/2002-honda-civic-sedan.jpg
http://www.car-buying-strategies.com/2002-photos/2002-dodge-neon.jpg
:rolleyes:
"Domestic":
http://evworld.com/archives/conferences/naevi99/images/th!nk.jpg
"Import":
http://www.car-buying-strategies.com/2002-photos/2002-volkswagen-jetta.jpg
http://www.car-buying-strategies.com/2002-photos/2002-honda-civic-sedan.jpg
http://www.car-buying-strategies.com/2002-photos/2002-dodge-neon.jpg
:rolleyes:
Ssom
09-20-2002, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by Deakins
Ok, I live in Norway, so...
"Domestic":
http://evworld.com/archives/conferences/naevi99/images/th!nk.jpg
LOL!!!!!!!!!! can you tell me more about this little thing???:D
Ok, I live in Norway, so...
"Domestic":
http://evworld.com/archives/conferences/naevi99/images/th!nk.jpg
LOL!!!!!!!!!! can you tell me more about this little thing???:D
YogsVR4
09-20-2002, 10:51 AM
Are people very tiny in Norway? It doesn't look big enough to get in.
grimmy
09-20-2002, 08:17 PM
look at the shape of the headlights on that little car
looks like the guys at nissan stole their design and used it for the new z car taillights
looks like the guys at nissan stole their design and used it for the new z car taillights
G-ealousy
09-25-2002, 09:11 AM
toyota and nissan have plants in the US. but thats for another post.
Actually, I just read the dealer label on the G35 (infiniti/nissan) last night and 95% was built, and put together in Japan, so, there really isn't assembly for Nissans here in America. The term "import" doesn't really go on AF I don't think. The reason? We have people from all over the world on here. So, some one that lives in Germany and has a new BMW 330 is driving a domestic... so....
Actually, I just read the dealer label on the G35 (infiniti/nissan) last night and 95% was built, and put together in Japan, so, there really isn't assembly for Nissans here in America. The term "import" doesn't really go on AF I don't think. The reason? We have people from all over the world on here. So, some one that lives in Germany and has a new BMW 330 is driving a domestic... so....
G-ealousy
09-25-2002, 09:20 AM
looks like the guys at nissan stole their design and used it for the new z car taillights
I was gonna say the headlights look like those of the G35!
I was gonna say the headlights look like those of the G35!
Deakins
10-11-2002, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi
LOL!!!!!!!!!! can you tell me more about this little thing???:D
Well :D
It's called Th!nk City, and it's a small electric car.
Acctually kind of nice to drive, arond town. Very quiet, calm car.
The company that make it was bought by Ford, and Ford are now shutting down production, so from now on, I can't participate in Import/Domestic discusions :D
* For more info, visit www.thinkmobility.com *
LOL!!!!!!!!!! can you tell me more about this little thing???:D
Well :D
It's called Th!nk City, and it's a small electric car.
Acctually kind of nice to drive, arond town. Very quiet, calm car.
The company that make it was bought by Ford, and Ford are now shutting down production, so from now on, I can't participate in Import/Domestic discusions :D
* For more info, visit www.thinkmobility.com *
BravadaKid
09-07-2003, 09:48 PM
Actually, technology is not a strength of imports. They simply stood on the shoulders of Detroit in that aspect. Most modern advancements in today's cars were American. How about GM, who was the pioneered front wheel drive, fuel injection, automatic transmissions and airbags. And when did they do that? By the 1970's. Yes, Cadillacs were mass-produced with all of those things by 1972. What was the latest and greatest ORIGINAL idea that came out of Japan? I think it was Toyota's "built-in obselescense" that was started circa 1993 that features parts that are designed to fail and require expensive replacement at higher mileage. And the parts are ony dealer-serviceable. How's that for innovation? Going back to Detroit: Magnetic ride control on the new 'Vette and Caddys. Suspension that can be as stiff and responsive, and in 1 1000th of a second. And the price is affordable. Reliability? Don't beleive the advertising. Based on FACT, there are significantly more American cars actively registered that were purchased over the last 20 years. Detroit sold more cars than the imports, so even after the sales figures were adjusted, the car-sold to still-registered ratio is in favor of Detriot. When was the last time you saw a government owned or comercially driven Japanese car? You could never use a Camry as a taxicab because it could never withstand that kind of abuse. And last, keep in mind who taught the Japanese how to build cars. Detroit.
Hyatus
09-08-2003, 12:40 AM
F@CK Detroit FFFFFLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEE OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNN people.......
hehe not, but that post did seed a little one sided go research your subject first bud.
hehe not, but that post did seed a little one sided go research your subject first bud.
jon@af
09-08-2003, 06:46 PM
STOP BRINGING BACK SUCH OLD THREADS!!!!!!!! THIS IS A YEAR OLD!!!!! :banghead: : :nono: :banghead: :nono: :banghead:
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