Which would be the better project car:
R1-rider
08-26-2002, 03:32 PM
A local lumber yard that I know a few people who work there told me they are selling their 95 F250 powerstroke truck, and they would sell it to me for $1000. Definetely thought there would be something wrong with it, nope perfect condition with only like 150K miles and a nice flatbed on it. So I am going to be selling it for about $10K which it should go for quite easily. That would be a healthy enough boost to start on my next project car.
Anyway, here are a couple of ideas I have been thinking of:
-RX-7 with a blown engine, and replace it with a 20B.
-Buy my friends S15 and make it either RB26 or 2JZ powered.
-65-70 Camaro drop in a 502 ramjet attatched to a shortshaft TH-400.
Anyways, just need a few more ppl to bounce ideas off of.
Anyway, here are a couple of ideas I have been thinking of:
-RX-7 with a blown engine, and replace it with a 20B.
-Buy my friends S15 and make it either RB26 or 2JZ powered.
-65-70 Camaro drop in a 502 ramjet attatched to a shortshaft TH-400.
Anyways, just need a few more ppl to bounce ideas off of.
MadZ
08-26-2002, 03:48 PM
Damn, option #3 is in a league of it's own if you ask me. Definately #3 if you can get a deal on a 502 crate engine. those suckers can get quite expensive. Some of the cheapest ones I've seen go for $8k. A 67-69 camaro would be a badass project with a 502. The '70 model is going to be a different style though, but still badass.
R1-rider
08-26-2002, 04:16 PM
It is a tough call really between the 20B rx7 and the camaro. I really love good ol american muscle, no replacement for displacement. I can find pretty good deals on 69 camaros out here that had no engines or trannies, and yea, ramjets are expensive.
|Banchi1O5|
08-26-2002, 04:27 PM
definately the camero! :)
TerminalVelocity
08-26-2002, 06:35 PM
well, if you try to handle well in a 502 pre 73 camero, your going to learn what sliding is about :hehe: The Rx7 would be much better for handling, and instant respect from everyone aside from hardcore muscle heads. The Camaro would be instant respect from all but ultimate rice burners.
All in all, Camaro has my vote, unless you want to do some tricky handling.
All in all, Camaro has my vote, unless you want to do some tricky handling.
-The Stig-
08-26-2002, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
well, if you try to handle well in a 502 pre 73 camero, your going to learn what sliding is about :hehe: The Rx7 would be much better for handling, and instant respect from everyone aside from hardcore muscle heads. The Camaro would be instant respect from all but ultimate rice burners.
All in all, Camaro has my vote, unless you want to do some tricky handling.
what are you talking about? theres plenty of aftermarket parts to make 1st and 2nd Generation camaros handle as good as anything. And a 502 isnt much heavier than a normal 327 or 350 engine you'd find in a Camaro and dont forget Those camaros came with a Big block option the 396. Remember a SBC engine is about 600lbs a BBC is about 800lbs.. Oh wow such a huge difference. Not only that but you've got a big bitch between the fenders.. dont care what anybody says, a big bitch demands respect. Especially if you tune the suspension so the car can pull .80+G on the Skid pad Which CAN be done.
oh, R1-Rider, 67 was the first year of the Camaro not 65 like you mentioned. its ok i think we knew what you ment!
well, if you try to handle well in a 502 pre 73 camero, your going to learn what sliding is about :hehe: The Rx7 would be much better for handling, and instant respect from everyone aside from hardcore muscle heads. The Camaro would be instant respect from all but ultimate rice burners.
All in all, Camaro has my vote, unless you want to do some tricky handling.
what are you talking about? theres plenty of aftermarket parts to make 1st and 2nd Generation camaros handle as good as anything. And a 502 isnt much heavier than a normal 327 or 350 engine you'd find in a Camaro and dont forget Those camaros came with a Big block option the 396. Remember a SBC engine is about 600lbs a BBC is about 800lbs.. Oh wow such a huge difference. Not only that but you've got a big bitch between the fenders.. dont care what anybody says, a big bitch demands respect. Especially if you tune the suspension so the car can pull .80+G on the Skid pad Which CAN be done.
oh, R1-Rider, 67 was the first year of the Camaro not 65 like you mentioned. its ok i think we knew what you ment!
Layla's Keeper
08-26-2002, 08:45 PM
Damn straight, Redneck383. The name Mark Stielow comes to mind. He did two 1st gen Camaros that both turned over .9G on the skidpad and he kept them live axle. Not to mention if you're really "hardcore" I think there was at some point (possibly by 'Lil John Buttera) a kit to throw the transverse leaf IRS from a C4 Corvette under a 1st Gen F-body.
Besides, who can argue with Roger Penske about how well the 1st Gen handles? Does a certain blue '69 with Sunoco livery come to mind?
(personally, though, I'd scrap the big block plan and go with a Lingenfelter-tuned LT-5 with the Borg Warner T56 backing it. The best of both worlds, no?)
Besides, who can argue with Roger Penske about how well the 1st Gen handles? Does a certain blue '69 with Sunoco livery come to mind?
(personally, though, I'd scrap the big block plan and go with a Lingenfelter-tuned LT-5 with the Borg Warner T56 backing it. The best of both worlds, no?)
LjasonL
08-27-2002, 12:53 AM
lingenfelter 427TT! :D
id go with the rx7. three rotors are the shit
id go with the rx7. three rotors are the shit
Steel
08-27-2002, 01:18 AM
dont forget that you're looking at speadning at LEAST $10k to put a 20b into the RX-7. This Is Why. (http://fc3s-pro.com/TECH/20B/20b.html) . I'm just letting you know what you're getting into if you wanna pop a 20b inot the Rex. And it isn't exactly a "pop in" either.
Bryan8412
08-27-2002, 01:26 AM
wow glad to hear similar ideas ive come across (although replace the camaro with a 69 chevelle ;))
but with 550 ft/lbs, you'd need a new transmission, and with a vehicle that old probably a whole lot of new everything. but if you're willing to spend by all means go for it, just make sure you have a roll cage for that sucker.
more practical i think the 20b would be, ive heard of alot simpler swaps then mentioned on that website, but maybe thats just me. mostly ive heard if you get it and swap the twin turbo for a single or get it blown it really flies. one guy had it supercharged and have every part polished it was nice, but the engine is expensive. if you plan to go all out, head on over to www.revolutionrotary.com , they sell brand new remanufacted blown w/ micro computer equipped 20b's for 10 grand, and less for the base engine. good luck let me know what you choose
but with 550 ft/lbs, you'd need a new transmission, and with a vehicle that old probably a whole lot of new everything. but if you're willing to spend by all means go for it, just make sure you have a roll cage for that sucker.
more practical i think the 20b would be, ive heard of alot simpler swaps then mentioned on that website, but maybe thats just me. mostly ive heard if you get it and swap the twin turbo for a single or get it blown it really flies. one guy had it supercharged and have every part polished it was nice, but the engine is expensive. if you plan to go all out, head on over to www.revolutionrotary.com , they sell brand new remanufacted blown w/ micro computer equipped 20b's for 10 grand, and less for the base engine. good luck let me know what you choose
R1-rider
08-27-2002, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by Octagon
(personally, though, I'd scrap the big block plan and go with a Lingenfelter-tuned LT-5 with the Borg Warner T56 backing it. The best of both worlds, no?)
I was thinking of maybe using a smaller engine and just using forced induction to meet the #'s I would want to start out with. However after a good debating I decided to just use a block that can produce those amount of numbers first. This way being able to drive it daily would prove no problem. Plus, if I decide to ever just make silly amounts of power, the potential is almost limitless.
Originally posted by Steel
dont forget that you're looking at speadning at LEAST $10k to put a 20b into the RX-7. This Is Why. (http://fc3s-pro.com/TECH/20B/20b.html) . I'm just letting you know what you're getting into if you wanna pop a 20b inot the Rex. And it isn't exactly a "pop in" either.
I would be doing a FD rx7, not a FC :)
Originally posted by Bryan8412
but with 550 ft/lbs, you'd need a new transmission, and with a vehicle that old probably a whole lot of new everything. but if you're willing to spend by all means go for it, just make sure you have a roll cage for that sucker.
Yea, luckily AZ has alot of older cars that people always want to restore but don't find the time too. And since there is basically no humidity out here, most of the cars I have come across have been in decent enough shape expect the normal wear and tear interior. And as far as trannys go, the TH-400 has proven a reliable engine to withstand hp reaching up to 2000 after getting it rebuilt.
Anyway, it is basically like I said, this is going to be my project car. I don't plan on everything being perfect right from the get go, but you have to start somewhere right? And I am sure I will be running into alot of problems no matter what path I go down.
btw, nobody has yet commented on the S15 w/RB26DETT into it (skyline motor). I think that would be an incredible sleeper and be a very sleek looking car as well.
(personally, though, I'd scrap the big block plan and go with a Lingenfelter-tuned LT-5 with the Borg Warner T56 backing it. The best of both worlds, no?)
I was thinking of maybe using a smaller engine and just using forced induction to meet the #'s I would want to start out with. However after a good debating I decided to just use a block that can produce those amount of numbers first. This way being able to drive it daily would prove no problem. Plus, if I decide to ever just make silly amounts of power, the potential is almost limitless.
Originally posted by Steel
dont forget that you're looking at speadning at LEAST $10k to put a 20b into the RX-7. This Is Why. (http://fc3s-pro.com/TECH/20B/20b.html) . I'm just letting you know what you're getting into if you wanna pop a 20b inot the Rex. And it isn't exactly a "pop in" either.
I would be doing a FD rx7, not a FC :)
Originally posted by Bryan8412
but with 550 ft/lbs, you'd need a new transmission, and with a vehicle that old probably a whole lot of new everything. but if you're willing to spend by all means go for it, just make sure you have a roll cage for that sucker.
Yea, luckily AZ has alot of older cars that people always want to restore but don't find the time too. And since there is basically no humidity out here, most of the cars I have come across have been in decent enough shape expect the normal wear and tear interior. And as far as trannys go, the TH-400 has proven a reliable engine to withstand hp reaching up to 2000 after getting it rebuilt.
Anyway, it is basically like I said, this is going to be my project car. I don't plan on everything being perfect right from the get go, but you have to start somewhere right? And I am sure I will be running into alot of problems no matter what path I go down.
btw, nobody has yet commented on the S15 w/RB26DETT into it (skyline motor). I think that would be an incredible sleeper and be a very sleek looking car as well.
Bryan8412
08-27-2002, 01:42 AM
well good luck. personally i think the 502 is the way to go, good old muscle: stupid power with the minimum suspension needs :D Make sure you put some tires that can hook up tho, the torque curve on that bitch is a pancake. if i find a picture ill post it
EDIT: here it is http://www.sallee-chevrolet.com/ChevyBigBlockV8s/images/502ramjetpicandchart.jpg
EDIT: here it is http://www.sallee-chevrolet.com/ChevyBigBlockV8s/images/502ramjetpicandchart.jpg
R1-rider
08-27-2002, 01:48 AM
Yea, like I said previously, the ramjet is a friggin torque monster. I think at about 2000rpms it is making still about 320ftlbs. (erg edit)
http://www.hotrodlane.cc/images/003624.jpg
http://www.hotrodlane.cc/images/003624.jpg
-The Stig-
08-27-2002, 02:10 AM
ooo this is what my engine looked like when i first got it from the shop!
TerminalVelocity
08-27-2002, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by RedNeck383
what are you talking about? theres plenty of aftermarket parts to make 1st and 2nd Generation camaros handle as good as anything. And a 502 isnt much heavier than a normal 327 or 350 engine you'd find in a Camaro and dont forget Those camaros came with a Big block option the 396. Remember a SBC engine is about 600lbs a BBC is about 800lbs.. Oh wow such a huge difference. Not only that but you've got a big bitch between the fenders.. dont care what anybody says, a big bitch demands respect. Especially if you tune the suspension so the car can pull .80+G on the Skid pad Which CAN be done.
oh, R1-Rider, 67 was the first year of the Camaro not 65 like you mentioned. its ok i think we knew what you ment!
In retrospect I can make my t-bird a 10 sec car....hell, I could make it a funny car, but I dont have anywhere near that kind of $
Anotherwards
Yes, I know there are pleanty of aftermarket parts, what do you think I plan on doing to the 69 Mach 1 I plan on getting in my dreams and hopes which will probally never happen?
It all depends on how much $ is avalable, because a 502 with that suspension, and all the rest which is needed, would cost assloads.
what are you talking about? theres plenty of aftermarket parts to make 1st and 2nd Generation camaros handle as good as anything. And a 502 isnt much heavier than a normal 327 or 350 engine you'd find in a Camaro and dont forget Those camaros came with a Big block option the 396. Remember a SBC engine is about 600lbs a BBC is about 800lbs.. Oh wow such a huge difference. Not only that but you've got a big bitch between the fenders.. dont care what anybody says, a big bitch demands respect. Especially if you tune the suspension so the car can pull .80+G on the Skid pad Which CAN be done.
oh, R1-Rider, 67 was the first year of the Camaro not 65 like you mentioned. its ok i think we knew what you ment!
In retrospect I can make my t-bird a 10 sec car....hell, I could make it a funny car, but I dont have anywhere near that kind of $
Anotherwards
Yes, I know there are pleanty of aftermarket parts, what do you think I plan on doing to the 69 Mach 1 I plan on getting in my dreams and hopes which will probally never happen?
It all depends on how much $ is avalable, because a 502 with that suspension, and all the rest which is needed, would cost assloads.
Layla's Keeper
08-27-2002, 01:49 PM
The whole reason I suggest the LT-5 was in the interests of handling. A small block is lighter than a big block, yes. But the 415hp stock quad-cam all aluminum Lotus designed ZR-1 engine is lightest of them all. Plus I believe it was shorter in length than either of the pushrod Chevy V-8's, thus giving better weight distribution by moving being able to move the engine back in the chassis.
As for the S15, where are you at? Stateside we never got the 15. It's a shame too, since the Ichi-Go is probably the most dead sexy car ever on a Silvia platform. I'd put the Sil-Eighty second. An RB26 would, in opinion, destroy the car's balance because of the added weight and length of the RB26 over the SR20DET. Another option to investigate which is lighter and could be tuned for the same power would be the Twin-Turbo 300ZX V-6. Just a thought.
As for the S15, where are you at? Stateside we never got the 15. It's a shame too, since the Ichi-Go is probably the most dead sexy car ever on a Silvia platform. I'd put the Sil-Eighty second. An RB26 would, in opinion, destroy the car's balance because of the added weight and length of the RB26 over the SR20DET. Another option to investigate which is lighter and could be tuned for the same power would be the Twin-Turbo 300ZX V-6. Just a thought.
DSMJim
08-31-2002, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by RedNeck383
what are you talking about? theres plenty of aftermarket parts to make 1st and 2nd Generation camaros handle as good as anything. And a 502 isnt much heavier than a normal 327 or 350 engine you'd find in a Camaro and dont forget Those camaros came with a Big block option the 396. Remember a SBC engine is about 600lbs a BBC is about 800lbs.. Oh wow such a huge difference. Not only that but you've got a big bitch between the fenders.. dont care what anybody says, a big bitch demands respect. Especially if you tune the suspension so the car can pull .80+G on the Skid pad Which CAN be done.
oh, R1-Rider, 67 was the first year of the Camaro not 65 like you mentioned. its ok i think we knew what you ment!
.80G? your kidding right? A k-car can pull .80G. A 3rd Gen RX-7 can pull .93 from the factory. Some of them have pulled 1.1G with real coilovers like Tein and sway bars, proven.
Besides a 13B can make 500hp 400ft/lbs no problem all day and night and will do it for less than 8K would cost for a crate 502. Plus a 502 is way heavier than a 13B. A 3rd gen RX7 can not be beat for handeling and power. Doesn't matter what people say about a Camero etc, you can do it in an RX7 for less money, look better and handle better all at the same time. If your really nutz 13B's have propelled cars into 8's and the 20B into low 7's so you can go as fast as you want in a 2 or 3 rotor engine.
what are you talking about? theres plenty of aftermarket parts to make 1st and 2nd Generation camaros handle as good as anything. And a 502 isnt much heavier than a normal 327 or 350 engine you'd find in a Camaro and dont forget Those camaros came with a Big block option the 396. Remember a SBC engine is about 600lbs a BBC is about 800lbs.. Oh wow such a huge difference. Not only that but you've got a big bitch between the fenders.. dont care what anybody says, a big bitch demands respect. Especially if you tune the suspension so the car can pull .80+G on the Skid pad Which CAN be done.
oh, R1-Rider, 67 was the first year of the Camaro not 65 like you mentioned. its ok i think we knew what you ment!
.80G? your kidding right? A k-car can pull .80G. A 3rd Gen RX-7 can pull .93 from the factory. Some of them have pulled 1.1G with real coilovers like Tein and sway bars, proven.
Besides a 13B can make 500hp 400ft/lbs no problem all day and night and will do it for less than 8K would cost for a crate 502. Plus a 502 is way heavier than a 13B. A 3rd gen RX7 can not be beat for handeling and power. Doesn't matter what people say about a Camero etc, you can do it in an RX7 for less money, look better and handle better all at the same time. If your really nutz 13B's have propelled cars into 8's and the 20B into low 7's so you can go as fast as you want in a 2 or 3 rotor engine.
MadZ
08-31-2002, 06:47 PM
I guess it all depends on taste. I personally would rather have a classic camAro (not camero) with a big block rumbling under the hood. It's one thing to sit at a stop light in your super lightweight (and super small) rx7 that you know is extremely quick as you listen to your high reving little engine, but it's quite another to sit at a light with your classic camaro while your cam lopes and your car shakes and the exhaust note from your 502 deafens nearby pedestrians. I don't care how fast the rx7 is, there is just nothing like the sound and feel of a big-block. Oh, and the ZR-1 idea is quite nice too. very expensive though
R1-rider
08-31-2002, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by MadZ
I guess it all depends on taste. I personally would rather have a classic camAro (not camero) with a big block rumbling under the hood. It's one thing to sit at a stop light in your super lightweight (and super small) rx7 that you know is extremely quick as you listen to your high reving little engine, but it's quite another to sit at a light with your classic camaro while your cam lopes and your car shakes and the exhaust note from your 502 deafens nearby pedestrians. I don't care how fast the rx7 is, there is just nothing like the sound and feel of a big-block. Oh, and the ZR-1 idea is quite nice too. very expensive though
Yea, nothing like having a big block under the hood rumbling away. No other sound in the world is as sexy as that.
I guess it all depends on taste. I personally would rather have a classic camAro (not camero) with a big block rumbling under the hood. It's one thing to sit at a stop light in your super lightweight (and super small) rx7 that you know is extremely quick as you listen to your high reving little engine, but it's quite another to sit at a light with your classic camaro while your cam lopes and your car shakes and the exhaust note from your 502 deafens nearby pedestrians. I don't care how fast the rx7 is, there is just nothing like the sound and feel of a big-block. Oh, and the ZR-1 idea is quite nice too. very expensive though
Yea, nothing like having a big block under the hood rumbling away. No other sound in the world is as sexy as that.
Cbass
09-01-2002, 06:53 AM
I disagree. A properly tuned stroker smallblock sounds just as sweet!
Hey Jim, how much is a 3rd gen Rex? Somewhere in the neighbourhood of $40-$50K. That's Corvette territory. Fine, get your 500hp 13B. It'll only cost $5000 to build it. Do your suspension tuning. Another $3000. Now take that $50-$60K you have now dropped, and take your Camaro/Firebird to Lingenfelter, and have him tune your car, with a twin turbo 427LS1. Have a nice day...
Hey Jim, how much is a 3rd gen Rex? Somewhere in the neighbourhood of $40-$50K. That's Corvette territory. Fine, get your 500hp 13B. It'll only cost $5000 to build it. Do your suspension tuning. Another $3000. Now take that $50-$60K you have now dropped, and take your Camaro/Firebird to Lingenfelter, and have him tune your car, with a twin turbo 427LS1. Have a nice day...
R1-rider
09-01-2002, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Cbass
I disagree. A properly tuned stroker smallblock sounds just as sweet!
Hey Jim, how much is a 3rd gen Rex? Somewhere in the neighbourhood of $40-$50K. That's Corvette territory. Fine, get your 500hp 13B. It'll only cost $5000 to build it. Do your suspension tuning. Another $3000. Now take that $50-$60K you have now dropped, and take your Camaro/Firebird to Lingenfelter, and have him tune your car, with a twin turbo 427LS1. Have a nice day...
Negative, you can pick them up mint for like 20-25K. And if you are like me, looking for a blown engine rex, then you can get them low as 10K. Now the 20b conversion would be quite expensive, however well worth it.
I disagree. A properly tuned stroker smallblock sounds just as sweet!
Hey Jim, how much is a 3rd gen Rex? Somewhere in the neighbourhood of $40-$50K. That's Corvette territory. Fine, get your 500hp 13B. It'll only cost $5000 to build it. Do your suspension tuning. Another $3000. Now take that $50-$60K you have now dropped, and take your Camaro/Firebird to Lingenfelter, and have him tune your car, with a twin turbo 427LS1. Have a nice day...
Negative, you can pick them up mint for like 20-25K. And if you are like me, looking for a blown engine rex, then you can get them low as 10K. Now the 20b conversion would be quite expensive, however well worth it.
Marc-OS
09-01-2002, 03:55 PM
I like the S15 option, but since the US didn't get the S15 I say you buy an S14 and buy a front clip off of an S15. My second choice would have to be the RX-7 just because rotary engines are so damned cool except for those damn apex seals.
BTW, while it's true that the low rumble of a big ass v8 is one of the sweetest sounds ever, the sound of a rotary engine is completely unique and totally awsome.
BTW, while it's true that the low rumble of a big ass v8 is one of the sweetest sounds ever, the sound of a rotary engine is completely unique and totally awsome.
Cbass
09-01-2002, 09:41 PM
Ah, but a similar condition Z28 or Transam goes for a lot less... even the basic 383 job on an LT1 will have that Firebird doing 12s... It also has suspension tweaks to match the hp... The basic package is $10K, I don't have a price for the TT 7 liter, but it's pretty pricey... However, you can have them build one for whatever SBC car you have.
LjasonL
09-02-2002, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Cbass
Hey Jim, how much is a 3rd gen Rex? Somewhere in the neighbourhood of $40-$50K.
no way man. i was considering buying one not long ago, and i had NO problems finding 3rd gen turbos for less than $15,000 in good condition. i even found a few r1's and r2' for that.
Hey Jim, how much is a 3rd gen Rex? Somewhere in the neighbourhood of $40-$50K.
no way man. i was considering buying one not long ago, and i had NO problems finding 3rd gen turbos for less than $15,000 in good condition. i even found a few r1's and r2' for that.
Cbass
09-02-2002, 11:55 PM
You're kidding me! Hmm, I may have to re evaluate my future plans...
LjasonL
09-03-2002, 01:53 AM
yeah, im still considering too :p
damn insurance, if it wasnt for the damn insurance rates... why must they punish us for owning cool cars?
damn insurance... :hehehe:
damn insurance, if it wasnt for the damn insurance rates... why must they punish us for owning cool cars?
damn insurance... :hehehe:
LjasonL
09-03-2002, 01:55 AM
it could have something to do with location too, i can see how an rx7 would go for less here in arkansas than in other places.
-The Stig-
09-03-2002, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by DSMJim
.80G? your kidding right? A k-car can pull .80G. A 3rd Gen RX-7 can pull .93 from the factory. Some of them have pulled 1.1G with real coilovers like Tein and sway bars, proven.
Besides a 13B can make 500hp 400ft/lbs no problem all day and night and will do it for less than 8K would cost for a crate 502. Plus a 502 is way heavier than a 13B. A 3rd gen RX7 can not be beat for handeling and power. Doesn't matter what people say about a Camero etc, you can do it in an RX7 for less money, look better and handle better all at the same time. If your really nutz 13B's have propelled cars into 8's and the 20B into low 7's so you can go as fast as you want in a 2 or 3 rotor engine.
*sigh* i said .80+Gs not just .80Gs...
And YES it can be done, i've seen video of a '69 Nova, YES A NOVA, doing over a 1.0Gs on the skid pad with the proper suspension built by this shop up in Glendale, Ca. .... BENCH seat and ALL!
If you want a canyon carver Camaro, then a SBC would be the ticket, a 383 would propel it just fine, help keep the weight down as much as possible, and the CG as low as possible as well.
If you tally up the entire cost it takes to take a 1st or 2nd Gen Camaro into a G-Machine it should be near 15k after you're done. That should include Motor,trans,rear end, suspension work, body work, interior work, and paint... and maybe a six pack of beer to celebrate the completion of your ride.
.80G? your kidding right? A k-car can pull .80G. A 3rd Gen RX-7 can pull .93 from the factory. Some of them have pulled 1.1G with real coilovers like Tein and sway bars, proven.
Besides a 13B can make 500hp 400ft/lbs no problem all day and night and will do it for less than 8K would cost for a crate 502. Plus a 502 is way heavier than a 13B. A 3rd gen RX7 can not be beat for handeling and power. Doesn't matter what people say about a Camero etc, you can do it in an RX7 for less money, look better and handle better all at the same time. If your really nutz 13B's have propelled cars into 8's and the 20B into low 7's so you can go as fast as you want in a 2 or 3 rotor engine.
*sigh* i said .80+Gs not just .80Gs...
And YES it can be done, i've seen video of a '69 Nova, YES A NOVA, doing over a 1.0Gs on the skid pad with the proper suspension built by this shop up in Glendale, Ca. .... BENCH seat and ALL!
If you want a canyon carver Camaro, then a SBC would be the ticket, a 383 would propel it just fine, help keep the weight down as much as possible, and the CG as low as possible as well.
If you tally up the entire cost it takes to take a 1st or 2nd Gen Camaro into a G-Machine it should be near 15k after you're done. That should include Motor,trans,rear end, suspension work, body work, interior work, and paint... and maybe a six pack of beer to celebrate the completion of your ride.
Cbass
09-03-2002, 06:00 AM
Yeah, but the RX7 is lighter... Guess we have to add more power! :D
I think I like the best of both worlds. A 1981 RX7, with a widebody kit for big tires (245 front 275 rear), a suspension kit from Racing Beat or Ground Control, transmission from a Porsche 931, and a huge honkin 6.6 liter Ford smallblock, twin turbocharged, EFI with a MAF sensor, and running on propane! It'll go like stink...
BTW, thats my project this winter :D
I think I like the best of both worlds. A 1981 RX7, with a widebody kit for big tires (245 front 275 rear), a suspension kit from Racing Beat or Ground Control, transmission from a Porsche 931, and a huge honkin 6.6 liter Ford smallblock, twin turbocharged, EFI with a MAF sensor, and running on propane! It'll go like stink...
BTW, thats my project this winter :D
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