The 951

The 951 is one of the most underated cars in the world. What do you all think about it?

P.S. Who owns a 951?

I'd sorta agree that it's underrated. Especially since it outperforms the equivalent era 911 and is way more comfortable.

But face it, it's a maintenance nightmare. I dumped mine for something durable.

mikeT

I don't own a 951, but I wouldn't mind driving one ;):flash:

Yea I love driving the 951 and working on it is a pain cause you really don;t have any room there but my car has no problems :)
Yea it also beats ferraris and some other high class cars of its time :)

post some pics

Maintenance nightmare? I guess you're right MikeT! But what do you drive now? Is it possible to drive something else after? (Not that I think this would be the ultimate car, but a muscle-class-car anyway)

what's a 951?? a 944 turbo?
i've never heard of 951 so if anyone can shed some light..
cheers
jay

Yeah, the 951 is the "944 turbo." It's just that some people refer to it with the internal designation # 951. One major way to tell it apart from a regular 944 or 944S is the front bumper-much smoother and a lot better looking. I know it also has fender flares and a different rear bumper. It may be lowered too, but I don't have proof on that right now.

Originally posted by gang$tarr
post some pics :hehehe:

http://vista.pca.org/ksc/images/JimGraven/951.jpg
http://pages.prodigy.net/pjbloom1/_uimages/pages.prodigy.net/pjbloom1/.wi_024_22a_1.jpg
http://www.p0rsches.com/classifieds/billbech.jpg

I want to shoot whoever painted the 951 in the bottom picture!:eek:

Originally posted by 911guy
I want to shoot whoever painted the 951 in the bottom picture!:eek: LOL. Does it help that it's a race car? ;)

No. That's the nastiest paint job I've seen on a racecar! It looks like Barney pooped on it or something, or maybe the driver is a clown...We will never know.

thanks for the pictures :D

i also think the bottem one got ruined with that paintjob :apuke:

not as bad as the rainbow Diablo though

Cool.. i like the 944 Turbo, i even toyed with the idea of getting one myself but i couldnt afford the insurance... Whenever I see american cars that have been imported to the UK they seem to have huuuuuuge bumpers.. is that the case with all your cars?? is it some legal requirement thing???

as for the Diablo, that is one nasty paintjob.

cheers
jay

I need a 951 intercooler. Email me if you have one for sale.:bandit:

I have a porsche 951 and looking to change the exhaust to after market any suggestions?

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Try to get a test pipe in and gut the cat. I have an test pipe on mine it shoots little flames but oh well. But these cars suck anyways can't wait til I sell my 951.
Originally posted by digsby
I have a porsche 951 and looking to change the exhaust to after market any suggestions?

My 951:
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/040/Zw/s3/kN/HM44361.jpg

that looks nice and clean :D

Originally posted by gang$tarr
that looks nice and clean :D

Thanks.

It needs some work on the paint(nothing some Zainos won't cure) and a little work on the interior. Then maybe some new rims :)

That's a turbo cup.

Originally posted by Seb928S@af
That's a turbo cup.

;)

Minus one important detail :(

Zenarcher, the best source for parts is www.20thstreetauto.com
They've got fair prices on used parts.

And there's nothing wrong with 951's. They're just too heavy. Now get a 924... Drop in a 951 engine, a little tweak here, a little tune there...

Originally posted by Cbass

And there's nothing wrong with 951's. They're just too heavy. Now get a 924... Drop in a 951 engine, a little tweak here, a little tune there...

Too Heavy? The 951 came in at 2758 compared to the 931 coming in at 2779.

I had a 951 it was a fun car...with simple bolt on stuff that car was a beast. Chip/filter/wastegate/exhuast/cv bypass I was at 18-20lbs of boost.

The 951 is the internal model designation for the 944 turbo. There are two street model versions. The 951 was first intruduced in 1985 1/2 as an 86 model. It had 217 HP and 243 tq. Dual airbags and ABS were added for 87, 88. For 88 1/2 the tusbo S was intruduced. The turbo S is the road version of the "Cup Race car". Major difference was in the DME, Brakes, Suspension. In it's time it was one of the fastest production car ever made. 162 mph stock. It had 247 HP. If you want to see more discussions on the 951 or the 944 go to Rennlist.



http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104763&highlight=post+pictures

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107887&highlight=post+pictures

"I have a porsche 951 and looking to change the exhaust to after market any suggestions?"

After market exhaust can be purcahsed @

http://Lindseyracing.com
http://speedforceracing.com

in response to the original question, i think the 951 rocks

i dont own a 951, i almost bought one but had to buy a pickup (200 s-10) for my job. however...ive spent hours and hours researching the car, lusting over it, whatever, but i did find alot of good info.
the maintenance problems are fairly predictable, and include things like water entry, oil/antifreeze heat exchanger leaks, power steering, engine mounts, clutch....the key is, dont buy one without a good detailed maintenance record.

the great thing is...the car might suck as a stock car being at least 14 years old....but porsche purposely built it to underperform its more expensive models at the time. However, they gave it the potential to outperform any stock porsche. i dont have a number here...ive been out of the game for a while, but the rear axle handles waaay more power than the stock engine ever put out.
there are a wealth of great aftermarket performance parts and mods out there, not all of them are good (for example...autothority's chip upgrades SUCK) but most are...just do the research. I have seen 951's that produced over 500 horsepower.
best site ive found for upgrades so far is lindsey racing. theyll sell you just about any performance part ever made. you can even get new solid engine mounts for $60 a piece.
if i had a 951...which i hopefully will someday...i would start by replacing the chips, again not with autothority chips, then i would probably change the boost control....after that, maybe up the turbo size, give it a new head gasket, water pump, to avoid problems....
and probably the greatest 951 mod ever is to replace the stock afm with a modern MAF. Ive read alot of discussion over whether to use MAP or MAF and i would say go MAF, but get something like a stage 1 or 2 so you can still pass emissions. this will be the best horsepower/performance increase ever. it takes away most of the lag and dramatically increases the flow. after you modify the airflow enough you have to monitor the injector duty cycle and probably get a high volume fuel pump and bigger injectors. also look for rising rate fuel pressure regulator.....
the list of mods goes on...you can reflow your cylinder heads, get a new intake manifold(the stock one gives more air to one side of the engine than the other!!), and of course, a new exhaust
its really an awesome car! this post is off the top of my head and like i said, i havent looked at any 951 sites for a while but here are some:
www.lindseyracing.com (check out the MAF kits!!)
http://members.rennlist.org/951_racerx/ (awesome site)
http://www.kokeln.com/products/ (turbos and more)

somewhere, i have a whole list of links that deal with maintenance issues, practical modification problems, testimonials, etc, ill have to look for them. hope this is relevent and helps somebody!!!

Sure, some clips would be cool :)

pretty damn quick man. can't wait to do that with my upcomin 944 turbo

I have opwned a 951 since new...1988. Have run on many tracks in the northeast..thois car has been an extraordinary performer...well balanced..forgiving..amazing.

I have over 200,000 miles on this car..just returned from Watkins Glen...the best bargain in the Porsche stable

I myself am becoming quite the 944 guru, having owned a 1988 944 "S", 1986 944 Turbo (black), and currently a beautiful 2-owner unmolested 84k mile 1986 944 Turbo. The cars definitely have their strengths and weaknesses, and it's all really about whether you feel the car is right for you; these cars drive much differently from almost anything else I've ever driven. My father, a huge sports car enthusiast from the old school (imagine almost any 50's or 60's MG, Triumph, Lotus, or Austin Healey and there's a good chance he's owned it), likes the 951 but says that it feels about "twenty degrees away" from him. He means he doesn't connect with the car well, and I can easiliy see how that can be.

As for my 951, well, I love it of course. It gets stares from almost everyone, I've met about 10 awesome guys in the Milwaukee area who have them (2 of which are now very close friends, one even got me a job!), and it is a true performer through and through. Of course the maintaince schedule is almost a joke, but when you look at comparable Ferraris of the era (although even the 308 GTS doesn't live up to the performance level of the 951), it doesn't seem so bad.

I currently split use between two cars, a 1987 9000 turbo beater and the Porsche. I am a person who thinks the Porsche is NOT a daily driver; it wasn't sold with that intention in mind. Yea, yea, people go on talking about how some german in a magazine drove his 5 billion miles, fine. But even Porsche admits that the vast majority of cars they sell new are bought as a 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th car. This way maintaince isn't a major hinderance, since one can just fall back on another car when the Porsche breaks (this is not an "if" question here). That said, I will be using the 951 as a daily driver for about 3 months this year, simply because the Saab is on it's last legs and I just dumped all my cash into the 951 (I'm a college student). I will be applying for Hobbyist plates in 2006 when it becomes eligible.

Hope everyone with 951's is having good luck! It's awesome to see owners who are enthusiastic and knowledgeable about their cars, since it is this crowd that is keeping the 944 series of cars looking and running like new. Some are already collector's items by definition, and the first Turbos are about to hit the 20 mark as well. Sad, no, but the 951 is more and more becoming a novelty/pure enthusiast's car with their age and condition. Hold on to yours, the good ones are few and far between these days.

I loved my 89 951...Chipped with a test pipe it was amazing...
So solid still after all these years...
Yes, of course they need upkeep, but they are a great true performance bargin!

I love my 86 944 na as well and the 83 version was named THE best handling production car in the US at the time!

I get around 31 MPG highway and big grins around corners...Classic good looks...

But I still want & am looking for my next Turbo! :)

As a 951 owner, i can proudly say that it is one of the most underrated cars of all time. It's a little harsh for a daily driver, but all those thoughts go away when you hit the twisties :)

I got one see sig

The 951 are really not that complicated cars...once you understand the basics.... The problem is 1/2 the guys who claim to know how to service most German cars have no idea, thus the customer pays for their lack of experience.... I rebuilt many 951's over the years and really if you spend the money with thought you could have a very nice car as well as fast for a reasonable budget... The problem is there are bunch of parts out there that the sellers claim is the newest and the best up grades when usually it's just a shinny expensive piece... with no real gain in hp ...:runaround:

If any one needs info on the 951's I have plenty....Porsche made a fantastic CAR

THE 951 a time less beauty ...