$1800 TSI... what I bought

Man, my friend sold me his 1991 Talon(black)...TSI of course (FWD unfortunately)

I think I got a really good deal, it needed a clutch, but that's no biggie

It has:
boost gauge
oil pressure gauge
a/f gauge
turbo timer
walbro 255lph fuel pump
MBC (set at 16.5, spikes at 17)
nitrous system (purge only)
front mount intercooler (don't know size, but looks mid-size)
Mozart (don't know spelling) muffler
stock BOV
450's (stock I think)
stock turbo (soon to be replaced with 16-18 or 20G)
slightly cracked manifold (very small leak)


for another $850, I'm getting:
Zoom Stage II clutch
2.5" exhaust
17" eagle alloys (don't member model)(gunmetal) wrapped in Raptor super sticky tires

pic would be nice

sry, I don't get to take possession of the car until Monday (til the clutch is fixed)... the exhaust will either be put on Monday night or Tuesday night (after hours)...

Now I just gotta figure out what BOV to get... (I don't like the crushed 1g, doesn't sound loud enough)...

Sounds like you got yourself a good deal there... If you are looking for a 1g or 2g exhaust manifold I've got some extras for sale. Just PM me if your interested.

I'm actually looking on e-bay... want an aftermarket tubular... but I think I'm gonna wait awhile... I've already spent $3k on the car (with all the parts I'm ordering)... I'll have a more updated list within the next week or two...

Anyone know how that HKS ssqv bov sounds/works?
are the e-bay equivalent bov's as good as the original, or should I shell out the extra money to buy namebrand...???

nice, sounds like a good deal.

The HKS SSQV is the most amazing bov I've ever heard. The sound varies with how quickly you let off the throttle. My friend has it and I may eventually switch over to it as well. Right now I have a TurboXS RFL that I got to run for a little bit before my motor cw'd and it was soooo damn loud but everybody says they are known for boost leaks. For the time I got to test mine out it didn't have any kind of a boost leaking problems...

The ebay brand bov's are said to be cheap knockoffs but people also say that about the tubular headers. I know a few people that run those headers and experience no problems with them as people accuse them to have. I don't know anybody thats actually tried the bov's before though... That one could fall either direction I think...

Well compared to $250... the $50 don't seem too bad... I think I may try it and get back to you...
It'll be a week or two though, I wanna get the car on the road (I sold my dd and projects)... then I'll start with the toys...

You can't just vent unless you account for the lost air or you'll run like crap. Get a GM MAF/MAFT if you just want to hear the bov. I'd stay away from the ebay bovs because I do believe they are plastic and prone to leaking.

Your car won't run like crap, it will still run and you probably won't hardly notice, but over time it's not good on your engine.

But will cause overall richness and weird air metering, correct? Personally not having done this, I'm no expert, but I've heard others' experiences.

I vented mine atmosphere without the maft before my motor cw'd and I had no problems with it running oddly. It ran just as normal as could be... Of course the proper way would be to include the maft which I will be doing in my new setup, but I had no problems without it.

....and my statement stands true. :)

yeah, I know a/b the MAF conversion... I would place the BOV in front of the MAF right? that way all the air vented is before being accounted for...

The Talon is running rich right now, but it seems to be running a lot more rich at idle, prolly because of the walbro 255... I need an fpr... but I gotta get it on the road first... so it'll be a few weeks/paychecks before the car's straight...

I have heard that some of those BOV's are plastic... I will look over a few ads and see how it is all worded... I'll prolly just buy an authentic HKS...
I'm also looking to get an EGT, pillar pod, and possibly a wideband O2...
We'll see...

I'm assuming that venting must be rediculously loud but... I have an open air filter and the dump tube haced. Stock bov and it's still really loud I think from inside the car with the top down.

1g bov is going on as soon as my flange gets here.

nitrous system (purge only)
:lol:

Venting without the MAFT will only cause it to richen up right when the BOV dumps, I cant imagine it would be good on the engine, however I cant imagine it would be all that bad for it either. Also, do you have a FPR? You should have one with that 255.

:lol:

Venting without the MAFT will only cause it to richen up right when the BOV dumps, I cant imagine it would be good on the engine, however I cant imagine it would be all that bad for it either. Also, do you have a FPR? You should have one with that 255.

nope... The fpr is on my list of goodies to come (prolly one of the next things)...
then either a 16G or 18G (maybe even 20G)... this turbo spools too fast, even a slow 1-2 shift will light up the tires (well, that was on the stock tires)...

My future upgrade list follows(no particular order):
16-20G turbo
tubular headers
upgraded wastegate(probably 35-38mm)
HKS SSQV BOV
MAF conversion
adjustable FPR
aluminum intercooler piping (belted hoses for now)
EGR blockoff
aftermarket tach
datalogger
EBC

Lots of tuning...

Sounds like a pretty good list then... Don't forget to do your exhuast at some point too here. That good ol' stock one is really restrictive and will hold you back for building some nice power.

Sounds like a pretty good list then... Don't forget to do your exhuast at some point too here. That good ol' stock one is really restrictive and will hold you back for building some nice power.

I forgot to mention that the exhaust is gutted and has a Mozart Muffler on it...
When I get the car on Monday or Tuesday, it should have the Zoom clutch installed, 17" Eagle Alloy rims (w/ Raptor tires), and 2.5" exhaust...
so I should be straight with the exhaust...

Ahh, ok that will work pretty good for now. Not as nice as a 3" would though. lol :wink: :p

Ahh, ok that will work pretty good for now. Not as nice as a 3" would though. lol :wink: :p

yeah, but the previous owner bought the 2.5" pipe, and I'm getting that free
;)

Heres my two cents on the turbo. I would get either a Evo III 16g or a 20g variant/50 trim. Personally, I think the small 16g is just plain too small, once you get a big 16g you might as well get a Evo III, and I have heard bad things about the 18g. I know someone on here has one (BlackCrow?) but he got a deal. They are usually wayyyy too expensive and arent that great. I have heard more than once that they have the power of a Evo III with the lag of the 20g. When it comes to the 20g variant/50 trim, heres what I think. I think 20g's are cool, but too expensive unless you get a deal. Bastard 20g, normal, or TD06 housing, I like them all. I would actually get a bastard 20g or a TD06, but the normal ones are cool. For a relatively inexpensive and pretty equal alternative I would go with a 50 trim. The FP green is a good turbo but rediculously expensive. I am probably getting (considering a bastard 20g) a SBR 50 trim. I think they are the best bang for the buck. Only $700 compared to the $1300 or whatever for the FP green.

Heres my two cents on the turbo. I would get either a Evo III 16g or a 20g variant/50 trim. Personally, I think the small 16g is just plain too small, once you get a big 16g you might as well get a Evo III, and I have heard bad things about the 18g. I know someone on here has one (BlackCrow?) but he got a deal. They are usually wayyyy too expensive and arent that great. I have heard more than once that they have the power of a Evo III with the lag of the 20g. When it comes to the 20g variant/50 trim, heres what I think. I think 20g's are cool, but too expensive unless you get a deal. Bastard 20g, normal, or TD06 housing, I like them all. I would actually get a bastard 20g or a TD06, but the normal ones are cool. For a relatively inexpensive and pretty equal alternative I would go with a 50 trim. The FP green is a good turbo but rediculously expensive. I am probably getting (considering a bastard 20g) a SBR 50 trim. I think they are the best bang for the buck. Only $700 compared to the $1300 or whatever for the FP green.

I was told to get an 18G... but I think I'm gonna try and go with the 20G... I just need something with a longer spool time, b/c the stock turbo spools up too fast the way it is now, and it will spin a whole 1/8 mile track (all we have here locally)... I'm thinking a/b getting the bigger turbo and keeping the same boost (17) then building the motor up, and using the stock turbo to run while the engine breaks-in... then switching back to the 20G...
I am looking for good deals on a 20G, so if anyone sees anything give me a shout...
Thx...

I'm gonna be running an 18g on my built motor (next spring at this rate) and I'm sure that thing will spool fast as hell... I think I'll like it though cause it'll be nice and torquey like a v8. :)

The 20g is probably the better choice in the long run though on a built motor. lol :wink:

I'm gonna be running an 18g on my built motor (next spring at this rate) and I'm sure that thing will spool fast as hell... I think I'll like it though cause it'll be nice and torquey like a v8. :)

The 20g is probably the better choice in the long run though on a built motor. lol :wink:

Idk... I do think I'll try and find a 20G... I've got a few connections... and I'm gonna need one that spools up slower... b/c when the boost was turned down (stock boost) the car ran 8.3's (1/8th mile)... when turned to 17psi, it was running 8.9's (different driver, from what I've heard; he's not as good, and the car was spinning all the way down the track)...
I'm gonna see what it does on the 17's... I'm hoping the larger diameter, and stickier compound, will help it hold on a lot better...

What yall think a/b this: http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=1012&mods=1-1010,22-996

I think that blow through kit is way overpriced... That little setup can be home fabricated and put together for way less than that.

MAFT-200 brand new
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=18841&cat=773&page=1

GM MAS-50 bucks on ebay (they are all gonna be used unless you buy one from a dealership for some ungodly price)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/3-in-GM-Mas-Maf-DSM-Eclipse-Turbo-1G-2G-Translator_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33557QQihZ00 1QQitemZ110025551393QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

A complete 3" intercooler pipe kit that you can arrange as you please and includes couplers and clamps-135
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/3-Intercooler-Piping-Pipe-Eclipse-Lancer-3000GT-EVO_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ004QQitem Z140022162651QQrdZ1

Right there, 385 dollars to make your own blowthrough kit thats even better and you'll have 165 dollars left to put towards a front mount. Then put your whole kit together and you've just totally built an awesome complete piping setup with a front mount for about the same price.

:thumbsup:

Thanks for the help... I was really just gonna use that as a basic setup and fabricate my own...

I'm definitely wanting to replace the rubber intercooler hoses I have now... are those ebay one's worth the money... *crosses fingers*

Yes, theres absolutly nothing wrong with them. I had a bunch of 3" piping that came with my intercooler when I bought it. I gave some to my friend for his upper intercooler pipe and he said he had never seen piping that welded so nicely before. So yeah, if he says its good shit then it must be damn good. lol


Yay for custom fabrication! lol