Iwata product choices

Hey there, I decided to pull the trigger and get a nice airbrush, I decided on an Iwata but can't choose either an Eclipse CS or a Revolution CR, is the eclipse really worth the extra 40 USD or so? and any suggestions on a compressor? Again I was leaning toward Iwata, a Silver Jet, or a pasche DD200R, anyone got some advice?



Jerry

I have an Iwata Eclipse BS (small gravity feed cup) and Sprint Jet compressor. They were both worth every penny I paid for them. I'm not familiar with the Revolution and the differences betwen it and the Eclipse, but I love my Eclipse.

Also, It's my personal preference, but , I will only buy gravity feed airbrushes from now on. It's just so much easier to clean and wastes less paint.

AFIK the big difference between the Revolution and the Eclipse series is that the Eclipse has the opening in the tail so you can fine-tune the needle position easily, and it also makes it handy to pull open the needle to get max flow when cleaning. There might be other differences but I don't know them.

I got the siphon-feed Eclipse, mostly because it was the only one AC Moore carried, but it also has the bigger needle and tip which is good for acrylics. I also like that I can snap on a big jar of paint for big items, but I have a cup to quick changes as well. It's 6 of one, half-dozen of the other, and neither is really so much better it will ruin your experience to get the 'wrong' one.

i got an iwata elclipse hp cs. I guess thats the same u are looking at. I love it it is so easy to use and works so well, i have not used any other airbrush but i am extremely happy with my purchase. I don't know about compressors b/c i use a regular garage compressor.

I use the Revolution CR/Sprint Jet combo. It makes a nice little combo for a first set-up and its quiet for indoor use.

The Rev and Eclipse are both quality airbrushes and you won't be dissapointed with either.

Hi, I also use the Iwata Revolution CR, my first airbrush and can confirm what other members are saying. I too am very happy both with the quality and the ease of use. Cleaning is also very easy. This is a very simple airbrush, great for a beginner, but also great for more experienced modelers. I can recommend the revolution, it is money well spent.:)

Iwata airbrush worth every penny. I have a HP-CP and love it.

You will be happy with any of them, but if you have the extra 40$, go with the CS. You won't regret it.

I also throw in a good word for Iwata. I have the HP-C, and it is by far the best airbrush I've owned. Whichever you pic, it will be a good choice.
As far as compressors, I have a cheap Silentair Scorpion from Hobby Lobby, but it works just fine for me! :)

I have a custom micron C+ and this thing will do lines as fine as a hair all the way up to a 2" fan. I use mine for airbrushing full scale cars as well as modeling and I will definitly stand behind Iwatas quality and ease of use. Any of their products would be a good choice.

Steve

Rev comes with a bigger tip/needle then the other. Shoots primer, lacquer, acrylic, clear and even some big flake FNP that clogged any other brush I tried to shoot it through. I used a "smart jet' all day at a make and take last weekend and really dug it. If I'd had the bucks I would have bought one of the demo's to replace my much louder Badger compressor.

I own teh HP-CS. Super-happy with it for what concern spray laquers or enamels, less (much) with acrylics: but I heard someone fix the trouble just purchasing the .5 needle, better also with 2k clears.

I use an Iwata Eclipse HP-BCS Syphon feed ror car bodies, and a HP-SBS side feed for details, results are amazing, I will never do brush painting again.

I have both airbrushes you consider, an Eclipse HP-BCS (siphon feed) and the HP-CR (gravity feed). Both are great airbrushes, but they spray very differently: The Eclipse, which in th case of the BCS has a 0.5mm opening and needle, gives a very fine atomization whic is great for detail painting but not that much for car bodies, especially with acrylic paint (the paint tends to dry before hitting the surface, thus resulting in a more pronounced sandpaper-like finish. The Revolution CR airbrush, on the other hand, is better suited for broad surfaces like bodies, and more difficult to control for detail. It also has a very different nozzle design (cheaper to machine), and tends to clog easily with metallic flakes that are too big.

I have both airbrushes you consider, an Eclipse HP-BCS (siphon feed) and the HP-CR (gravity feed). Both are great airbrushes, but they spray very differently: The Eclipse, which in th case of the BCS has a 0.5mm opening and needle, gives a very fine atomization whic is great for detail painting but not that much for car bodies, especially with acrylic paint (the paint tends to dry before hitting the surface, thus resulting in a more pronounced sandpaper-like finish. The Revolution CR airbrush, on the other hand, is better suited for broad surfaces like bodies, and more difficult to control for detail. It also has a very different nozzle design (cheaper to machine), and tends to clog easily with metallic flakes that are too big.

Hi Mustang, AFAIK the HP-BCS has exactly the same nozzle size as the HP-CR, 0.5mm, the spray pattern is 0.5mm to 50mm. The other Eclipse, like the BR, CR etc have 0.35 needle and is more suited for details.

The BCS actually have a wider spray pattern than the CR (CR = 0.5 ~ 38mm)

OK, perhaps I was not very clear on my point: both airbrushes are 0.5mm pped, BUT there are two differences between them:

-The atomization on the Eclipse is much finer than with the Revolution CR, and the Eclipse paint flow is much less than with the Revolution (thus the Eclipse is better at detail painting than the Rev. CR), so I always use the Revolution for car bodies. Plus, the CR sprays water-based acrylics and other thick media much better than the Eclipse, due to its inherent High-flow design.

-The nozzle designs are totally different: The Eclipse nozzle is a cone inside, which allows for a turbulence-free flow of paint to the tip. This is the best approach for a fine atomization. The revolution airbrushes, however, have a nozzle machined as two concentric tubes (broad size on the inside, 0.5mm on the tip side) with an abrubt shoulder between them; this design, although simple to machine, gives more turbulence to the paint flow, and tends to clog with metallic paints.

Both airbrushes are great tools, designed to last, and are a pleasure to use. I have the Iwata Smartjet compressor and can spray anything with it, it can power the Revolution to a continuous 27 PSI under load, which is enough for all types of paints.
I hope this helps!