Need some opinions

As probably nobody knows or cares, I sold my 99 RCSB Z71 b/c I was upside down on the payments. I sold it, paid it off, and pocketed about $6000.

I then bought a 97 GMC ECSB 2wd for $6600 w/136K on it. Pretty nice truck, has some problems, but its paid for. Its not anything like what I wanted when I bought it, but I had to have a ride.

Now heres the question.
I found a '03 ECSB GMC Z71 w/ about 120K on it, fully loaded, for $15,000.

They will give me 6K for my trade, so I'd finance about $9,000. Payments are right where I'd want them for 2.5 years.

Do ya think this is a good deal? The 03 retails for almost $20,000 on KBB and the trade in on mine is only $4000.

I'm still jawing back and forth with them on the price of the other one. But is this something I should keep going with??

Theres another 03 there with the RealTree package (ya know, camo flares and trim. Very gaudy IMO) that has 83K and they want 19 for it.

And if anyone has carfax, could you hit this VIN for me please? 1GTEK19T13E239762

Well, if it was me. I'd say Nay Nay. & Yes I remember you sold your old truck...sad sad thing that...

The reason I say No is because of the mileage. It's almost 4 years old and has the mileage on it for a 6-7 year old. I know I know Mileage isn't everything but, it's something to consider. Without knowing it's history or how it's been treated you may want to wait for something with a little less mileage. Heck Mine is 7 years old now and it only has 138000 Kilometers on it....

And just my :2cents: but, IMO the 03's just look a little different than the 99-01's. Can't put my finger on it just don't really like the look of those newer ones; I guess I'm just bias.

Either Way keep us posted Jay.

The only reason I'm considering it is because its a GMC. I really like the GMC front ends, but like you, I wasn't impressed with the mileage. I might call and see if they'll take a few thousand less. I think if I could get it for about 11,500 I'd be doing good. I'm not worried about mileage, I just kind of want to get back into a nbs. And I never thought I used the 4wd on my old truck as much since it's gone. Open diffs and 2wd's suck in Ga red clay.

Yeah, if you could jue him down on price and your happy with it then i'd say go for it. Around here it so rarely snows and the need for a 4x4 is a waste of mileage and vehicle weight.

Good luck and keep us posted....

PS -- I get my new grill installed on Wednesday via my Insurance from the hit and run.

Good deal man. Slap you some of the speed inserts in it and you'll be stylin' and profilin'!! lol

Here's an idea...try to work out a deal where you get the same price for the higher mileage truck but with a power train warranty. I have no idea if that's possible with alot of miles to start with but for me...the biggest concern would be the engine, trans and related parts. Also...I think the GMC trucks look much better then the Chevys but around here you can't find any good used ones for sale. I would say at any given time there are 20 Chevy trucks for sale. But...with so many Chevys it's hard to know when you've found the right one.

I'm sorry fellas I am a Chevy fan...never really liked the big gaping look of the GMC. Funny how one little detail can detour one from looking at a certain model of vehicle.. All that aside the Denali grill really looks good in chrome... Guess I'm just a Chrome Nut!

Again just my :2cents:.

I'm sorry fellas I am a Chevy fan...never really liked the big gaping look of the GMC. Funny how one little detail can detour one from looking at a certain model of vehicle.. All that aside the Denali grill really looks good in chrome... Guess I'm just a Chrome Nut!

Again just my :2cents:.

before I got my truck I was looking hard long and far for a good deal on a used gmc truck for some reason there is not that much of them out there for sale used here in california I think its a great deal does that include tax and finance fees for the 2yrs or so that 15k sure can fool you if not you better look at that then see if you still want it

What do you mean by getting back into a nbs?

What do you mean by getting back into a nbs?
new body style

I found several yesterday on truck trader.

An 2000 Chevy Z71 3 door ECSB 58,259 miles $13,950

Another 2000 Chevy Z71 4 door ECSB 89,300 miles $13,500 with aftermarket rims and such

One more 2000 Chevy Z71 4 door ECSB 82,839 miles $12,900

And my favorite. This is local. 2004 Chevy z71 ECSB 26K miles. DUnno price yet, but it has a lift. Its in immaculate shape. Heres a quick cell phone pic.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a342/jceverett/Aug21_001.jpg

I found several yesterday on truck trader.

An 2000 Chevy Z71 3 door ECSB 58,259 miles $13,950

Another 2000 Chevy Z71 4 door ECSB 89,300 miles $13,500 with aftermarket rims and such

One more 2000 Chevy Z71 4 door ECSB 82,839 miles $12,900

And my favorite. This is local. 2004 Chevy z71 ECSB 26K miles. DUnno price yet, but it has a lift. Its in immaculate shape. Heres a quick cell phone pic.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a342/jceverett/Aug21_001.jpg

looks sweet man if its around those prices i would get it although im not a big fan of white its still nice:grinyes:

What do you mean, fan of white? Honestly, I wasn't a fan of white either but, it kinda grows on yeah and the graphic down the side of mine helps me forget how white mine really is.

What do you mean, fan of white? Honestly, I wasn't a fan of white either but, it kinda grows on yeah and the graphic down the side of mine helps me forget how white mine really is.


maybe it does but it would not be my first choice that white nbs with a lift is pretty cool to me though :iceslolan

Yeah, someday when i win the lottery I'd like to repaint my truck either some vibrant metallic blue or that new Chevy Yukon Bronze colour.

I agree with you though that lifted 4x4 that Jay is looking at looks pretty sweet. Get the step ladder to get in... :D

Real high mileage for an 03 . I paid 11k for my 02 with 84k last month . Rob

Went to talk to the ppl at Bill Heard where the '03 was yesterday.

They offered me 2500 for my trade in, and "dropped' the price to 12,500 for the '03. All-in-all, the total price was about $20K after interest, etc. I told them there was no way I'd pay 4 years for something that had only 30K miles less than what I was driving now. I offered them $11,000 and....they refused. I'm so glad I didn't let them "stick it to me".

Your offer was only $1500 less than theirs? They'll call you back. When I bought my '02 a few months ago, I had two deals going. The other one was an '03 with the same miles, black, no Quadrasteer. The '02 was at a Toyota dealer, so they were more willing to deal. Sure enough, two days after refusing my counter offer on the '03 (which was almost as close to their offer as yours), the sales manager called me to accept my price. Too bad for them, I already got a better deal on the truck I have now.

Yeah. I hope they won't call back though. I just offered them something I knew they wouldn't take. I couldn't justify paying $400/mo for a truck that has 117K on it when mine only has 141K and is paid for. The salesman and Finance dude were straight with me, the general manager however sucked!

Yeah. I hope they won't call back though. I just offered them something I knew they wouldn't take. I couldn't justify paying $400/mo for a truck that has 117K on it when mine only has 141K and is paid for. The salesman and Finance dude were straight with me, the general manager however sucked!

Greetings Jeverett,

Right now - with the pressure from Ford (leases for a NEW 4 x 4 with 5.4 liter engine in a SC are $199.00 with no down and no prepayment - thats cheaper than the Rangers were 6 months ago) - vehicle dealers are going to be forced to drop their prices. Even leases are being discounted (that same $199 Imentioned at one dealer - for same conditions - is $189). Trade-ins will be smaller - there is a glut of trucks and larger SUV's on the market - being dumped by rental companies and owners. Right now - there is greater pricing pressure than I've seen in the last 10 years (and that includes 9/11). Ford just announced they are closing down truck production at 2 more plants - this is their biggest profit center - its bad.

Small cars are once again the "sought after". Used truck prices in our area have already reacted once and there will be more. My guess is both used and new will be even more attractive priced this next 60 days. Sit back and relax - prices will come to you - don't be surprised at how low they will be going. Just my opinion. Patience will payoff.

You are very correct. I just started thinking about that a few hours ago. I know at the same dealership that truck was at, they have some 05's and 06's that they are reducing drastically to get off the inventory. This time, I just might buy new instead of used! That would be cool, my first new vehicle ever.

I called about the lifted 2004 yesterday. Its fully loaded, 26K miles, 6" lift, 35's and he's asking 23,900.

I called about the lifted 2004 yesterday. Its fully loaded, 26K miles, 6" lift, 35's and he's asking 23,900.

Jeverett,

Patience is the payoff. Chill a couple weeks - you're way too eager - you're thinking about it EVERY day (aren't you :licka:) - salesman can "smell it". Give it a few weeks and you will see prices dropping - as I understand it, you don't have to have a different truck in the next 2 weeks (or 3 or 4). You don't need to trust my opinion - read about Ford's problems - they are substantial (I mean scary substantial) - sense GM lauding their car sales and hybrids and not talking about their truck and SUV activity - listen to Toyota kicking the whole market around. New and used domestic trucks will go cheaper soon - desperation is in the air - and it will be yours for the taking - as long as you aren't eager :licka:

Just a quick note - did you know there are STILL brand-new 2005 models available (its that bad even after they rebated them to death). There is a glut on the market of 2006s and 2007s are shipping/shipped. Don't listen to what the dealers say - watch what they are doing - their lots are stuffed and they are shifting vehicles back and forth on the lot (repositioning colors, and products) about twice as often as normal (its called "product dancing").

White Lightening

No, I'm not thinking about it every day, I was just following up on some I had found to go ahead and get some information on them and was just posting the info on here. If I don't get one for years its okay with me. I'm just very unhappy with what I have. I never would have bought it had I not HAD to have something to drive. I was in a tight spot, and now that I'm out of it, I want to find something that I'm happy with.

I'm also looking at houses at the same time, and if I find a house for a decent price (not hard to do since real estate is dropping) I'll continue to drive what I have to sacrifice for the house. But I also just got a 10K/yr raise and it would be nice to have something I'm happy with.

Congrats on the raise! Live it up man, life is too short. Half the fun of buying a new vehicle is talking about it with like-minded folks, and poring over your choices. It's only money. And it's not like that $24000 truck is suddenly going to be $12000 in a few weeks. Not that I'm saying you should spend that much, or that that is the perfect truck, I'm just saying if you find the perfect truck for you, and you can afford it now, do it! :evillol:

:ylsuper::ylsuper:A man after my own heart! Thank you!!!:ylsuper::ylsuper:

Jeverett, if I were you I would stay away from Bill Heard, my sister-in-law got screwed by them and they didn't even blink an eye about it. Like everyone else says stay cool and the truck that you want will come around, my wife works for a chevy dealer here in ut and they are getting ready to start the model year close out.

No, I'm not thinking about it every day, I was just following up on some I had found to go ahead and get some information on them and was just posting the info on here. If I don't get one for years its okay with me. I'm just very unhappy with what I have. I never would have bought it had I not HAD to have something to drive. I was in a tight spot, and now that I'm out of it, I want to find something that I'm happy with.

I'm also looking at houses at the same time, and if I find a house for a decent price (not hard to do since real estate is dropping) I'll continue to drive what I have to sacrifice for the house. But I also just got a 10K/yr raise and it would be nice to have something I'm happy with.

Greetings Jeverett,

I wasn't refering to your posting about your interests or the number of your posts. What I was refering to - is that I think you are in too big of a hurry to find "something better" and that you are not understanding how good the market is going to be for buying a new or used vehicle in the next 4 to 12 weeks. I believe if you exhibit patience - you could be staggered at how cheap you can find something really really nice. I used the words carefully. No a $24,000 truck won't be $12,000 - but it could be less than $20,000 (with an MSRP of $32000) - or ratios similar on lower equiped vehicles. It is not business as usual for dealers this fall - at least not for trucks. Why am I saying this? Just look as some of the threads on our part of A.F.. Many died-in-the-wool dedicated Chevy truck owners have sold/traded theirs in for a small car - if dedicated fans are doing it - imagine the general public. Deals are just around the corner - IMO - set your sights higher - I think you'll be surprised.

P.S. Congrats on your promotion - recognize that for many, it won't be so this year - and it gives you a decided and significant advantage.

White Lightening

Greetings Jeverett,

I wasn't refering to your posting about your interests or the number of your posts. What I was refering to - is that I think you are in too big of a hurry to find "something better" and that you are not understanding how good the market is going to be for buying a new or used vehicle in the next 4 to 12 weeks. I believe if you exhibit patience - you could be staggered at how cheap you can find something really really nice. I used the words carefully. No a $24,000 truck won't be $12,000 - but it could be less than $20,000 (with an MSRP of $32000) - or ratios similar on lower equiped vehicles. It is not business as usual for dealers this fall - at least not for trucks. Why am I saying this? Just look as some of the threads on our part of A.F.. Many died-in-the-wool dedicated Chevy truck owners have sold/traded theirs in for a small car - if dedicated fans are doing it - imagine the general public. Deals are just around the corner - IMO - set your sights higher - I think you'll be surprised.

P.S. Congrats on your promotion - recognize that for many, it won't be so this year - and it gives you a decided and significant advantage.

White Lightening


dont forget jev the truck you have now can still be modified to your liking before I bought my truck i also thought about the obs trucks the money i had at the time would have allowed me to get a well modified c/k or s-10 off the steet however, I did not want to take a chance with repairs or major down time if you truck is running well you have a green light for lots of mods

I went through pretty much the same thing about 3 years ago. A local nissan dealer had a 03 rcsb work model with low miles that was exactly what I was looking for. I drove it a bit, then went to talk to the guy. They wanted 16,000 for it. At the same time, I could go to the chevy dealer down the road and get pretty much the same truck in an 04 brand new for 15,000 or less. I went back to the nissan dealer about 25 times over 3 months trying to talk some sense into those guys, but they wouldn't budge. The highest offer i think I made was 12,000, and they refused that too. I ended up with a new 04 that was exactly the same except w/ a long bed for ~14,500 out the door. Don't buy used if you can go new for cheaper. Good luck man, and don't let em screw you.

Congrats on the raise Jev, it's good to hear things are going well for ya. :)

Personally, I think I would stick it out with the current one you just bought. I'd rather have a '97 with 100K+ miles than an '03 with almost the same. Start looking at houses and such and get that under your belt first. That way you'll know you're mortgage payment, then you'll have more of an idea of what you can play with for a car payment.

And if you do decide to sell it now. Do so individually. You'll get so much more money than trading it in. Typically trade-in is half, or a little more than that of the individual resale value.

Good luck with your decision man. I know it's not easy. Up until last week I was fighting the same demons on deciding to go all out and get what I truly want for my next car, or just suffer with something that will get me by for the next few years. It's good to have a dad who talks you into getting the car you're set on.:grinyes:

After looking around and searching for different things, I've about decided again to just ride in what I've got for a few more years. Then maybe a few years after I get a house I can order a brand new one just like what I want. I'll just put a few mods and do a few upgrades on the current one and let it ride.

Oh White Lightening, I didn't take offence to anything you've told me. I was just set on getting another truck. I now remember why I sold my 99..to get out of payments and it sure is nice to not have to fork out $400/mo anymore. Thanks for your opinions though.



NOW.. lets talk mods!!! Any suggestions as to what will wake up the old 350 vortec's? And looks, something's got to give about these wheels/tires. 235/70's arent working anymore. I've been hung up/stuck ALOT lately..

kenwood,

Last time I checked, for every GMC truck sold in California, six to eight Chevys are sold, depending on model. That's why used Jimmies seem so scarce.

I like Chevy front ends better. Wish I could get a wider choice of aftermarket grilles without the @#$%&*+ bowtie!