Z06 Vs. 2003 Cobra

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I think i would still get the Z06
because it comes with all the amenities you need
and at a cheaper price

and plus to me it has a more elegant side to it
than the cobra

the cobra is just raw power:)

U didnt bring up that in that video the guy in the mustang trys to do a drive by then when he does the guy in the z06 hits the gass and starts pulling on him and when he fixng to pass him he lets off also there was two people in the z06.A z06 wins hands down 405 hp 3100 pound car and mustang is 390 hp 3690 pounds u do the math =)

Chris, no one said the Z06 wouldn't win. I just posted a video I found. Easy!

The Z06 is the faster of the two cars.It weighs less and has more
horsepower.You do the math.
95yellovett(Z07)

Cheaper price?

How is the ~$48k ZO6 cheaper than the ~$35k Cobra???

Anywho...I vote for the ZO6...405HP...nice...0-60 in 4.0 seconds and 1.00 g laterally.

Looks nicer on the outside than the Cobra...

Yeah - I was kind of confused by the Z06 being cheaper then the Cobra statement. I dont particurally like either of them, but the Corvette is the better muscle machine.

I just think it's funny that for years Ford has been bosting over how the Mustang is better than the Camero, but no one ever wanted to compare the "pony" to Chevies top dawg, the Vette. Why not? If the Saleen GT is the best that Ford has to offer, then it should be compared to best that GM has to offer, the ZO6 Vette. I just hope that Ford goes full production with the new GT40. It will give GM a reason to build an AWD twin turboed Vette based super street machine to rival the Lamborghini Diablo, and kill any creation by Turd, I mean Ford.

I'm happy ford finally stepped up and put something decent out. If i'm correct, the '03 is using an iron 4.6L block...why not stick an iron 5.4L block in there, then blow it.

As for a twin turboed, AWD ZO6...HAHAHAH. No way. First off, the spave available makes building turbo kits more expensive, and the installtions more involved. Repairs would cost a LOT more. AWD would add even more complexity and price to the mix. The amount of power it would put out would be too much for any insurance company to say "thats nice". This is not even mentioning that there aren't NEARLY enough people with the cash and want to buy one of these cars to make it profitable to make them.


As for which one i'd get, i'd go with the ZO6. I'm an f-body/c-body guy. I have to admit though, the '03 is looking nice, but not nice enough. A local guy has a '00 Z28 with a blower (running 9psi i believe) and is putting 498hp to the ground (not at the flywheel or anything). I Just feel the displacement is too important, and 4.6L has never been nearly enough for my tastes.

Originally posted by C-Town216
then it should be compared to best that GM has to offer, the ZO6 Vette.

Actually the best that GM has to offer is the C5-R

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It's won a few races (sarcasm)

Is that a car you can just go to the dealer, pick up, and drive home in...no. Same with the Cobra R, i believe, that its not a street legal car, not to mention its been made in extremely small numbers from what i've heard.

If you get into the few special ones ever made, or the non streetable ones then it doesn't have as much point to it. Lets keep it to the normal production line and street legal ones.

um, the gt40 will have a base price of over $100,000 and it will be extremely limited production. it will have over 500hp. i think that can be considered a supercar, or exotic if you like that better. i think it'd compete with the likes of a lamborqhini diablo, the new ferrari enzo, 911 gt2 and even the saleen s7(?), you get the picture? the z06 is a badass car in itself but it's in a different class, 911 turbo, 360 modena, etc and my honda prelude :p jus playin. anyway i don't think the z06 can compete in the same class as the gt40. the new cadillac supercar that's suppposed to go into production on the other hand may be the one to go head to head with ford's gt40.

but out of the two, i'd gladly take the z06 over the cobra anyday.

Actually the Cobra is the most powerful of the two. 03 Cobra's put down 376 to the wheels. That equates to about 420 at the flywheel, same as the supposedly 385 hp Cobra R put down. The Z06 is still the quicker of the two. Seeing how the Cobra traps between 111 and 114, and the Z06 traps between 115-117, and will smoke it in the turns, it's not really a contest. Besides no matter how fast it is, (and even though it is only supposed to cost 35k, yeah right) its a 40 thousand dollar mustang.

The new Cobra is a complete vette killer. And its without question the best bang for the buck car. The 03 Cobra is 'de-tuned'. The Eaton supercharger on the 03 cobra is capable of 16psi----the car is running only 7psi of boost!!!!! The iron block can easily handle the 16psi-----and just to be on the safe side------you can get rid of the stock intercooler and use a Vortech intercooler. with 16 psi----along with a free flowing x-pipe, headers, and FR500 exhaust-----that car will easily plant 500hp to the rear wheels and over 600hp at the flywheel--------thats a Vette killer! As far as this Vette twin turbo nonsense-----Chevy could do it----but at what price? lol who the hell will pay $100k for a 600hp vette------when you can get cheaper bolt ons from Lingenfelter. The vette, will always be a vette-------but it will now be overpriced! $50k for that car-----I don't think so! 500rwhp for a $35k cobra coupe-----thye corvette is now the 2nd fastest sport car. It doesn't matter what the factory specs are on the 03 Cobra-----its detuned--------and capable of so much more than a Z06!

The LS1 is detuned...wow...so is every damn car. Get heads and cam on the LS1 (corvette...or even a camaro) and you can easily get 450hp, if you go more radical you can hit 500hp....WITHOUT FORCED INDUCTION. You are talking like the vetter, f body, whatever with the LS1/LS6 aren't detuned, of course they are, they aren't at their full potential.

A guy down here has a Z28 with a blower, running 9psi he is putting 500hp to the wheels (well, 498rwhp).

The cobra is fast yes, but its not a standout in my perspective. Its nice, its fast, but then so are other sports cars. And you compare it to the "too expensive" vette, but what about an LS1 f-body? It costs a lot less but has the exact same engine as the vette (save the LS6, but that can be accomplished very easily, just a few mods to bring it to that level).

How much horsepower do you think you can gain on the corvette's engine with new cams and cylinder heads? U think 200hp????? I don't think so. You talk about the vette's detuned engine like it has a blower or something. Then you talk about slapping a blower on a Camaro. . . we're talking about a stock supercharger----3 year warranty-----for $35k-------that makes your $50k corvette----at 405hp------OVERPRICED. Try to follow me, I know these analogies are difficult for you Chevy guys. You can buy your cams and your cylinder heads for your precious vette engine and you are more than half way to the price of a blower. With a Kenny Brown Level 5 suspension set up ($3,000) and a fully tuned 03 Cobra-------you get a vehicle that will terminate any Vette thats been put into production----and thats not debatable------because blown kenny brown Cobra's have outperformed any aftermarket tuner for vettes. Thats the bottom line

Wow, the i'm sorry i questioned you, the cobra is god....


Ok, lets see...first off if you wanna go with money as a concern, lets go with the MUCH cheaper f-body LS1. Now, add a head and cam package for around $2500. With that much, depending on the cam and heads, you can easily hit 450hp N/A (some cams can get you to 390hp with no heads), and these numbers are all the the ground.

Now, you are saying i'm talking about adding stuff to a stock car....so are you. The cobra costs $35k, realistically $40k though. Now, you can REALISTICALLY get a new (if you can find it) Z28 stripper for around $21k, get a blower which with tuning and whatnot will cost you $6k and hit 500rwhp. That will give you roughly 8k to work with, now with that a head and cam package can be bought (firgure $3k), LT headers ($1k), and then with the remaining 4k get forged crank, rods, and pistons. Then you are at the price range of the cobra.

This is my point, the cobra STOCK (NO MODS) is decently fast, but then so is the LS1. If you do ANYTHING at all to the cobra then try to comare it, all bets are off.

With that all said, i have nothing against the cobra. I am biased having an LS1, but i'd like to have a cobra as well (not that rich though, heh). I have respect for both cars, but unfortunately you seem pretty closed minded. Ya the cobra may be putting down some pretty decent numbers stock, but that doesn't make it a better car.

Also, you are comparing to the vette and then you are saying performance for the buck. If you wanna go down that route compare to the LS1 f-body, its the same engine, much less price.

When you buy a vette, you are paying a lot for the car itself and the name. Its a beautiful car, although not the best bang for the buck performance car by far, but its a damn nive car.

I in no way worship a particular car, all cars have their flaws and their strong points, its all about what tickles yer pickle more. For me, i like chevy, dunno why i just do. Ya know what though, i'd love to grab a older mustang (i'm into the older muscle cars more) and have some fun. For me, its all about CARS, i love them. Maybe for you, its trying to compensate or be better in some way.

Here: the cobra is a more powerful/faster car stock vs. stock than the vette or f-body. I think its true, make you happy? Hope it makes you more secure.

I hate these people that have to turn everything into a grudge, what happened to the "muscle car" guys. The people into muscle cars and performance for the cars, not just one type, but all of for the speed and power they have. With that i think, went a respect for others who had a love for the same thing, and an acceptance. These days it seems like if you like different things it is a grudge. The ONLY group of cars i hate are rice rockets, fast imports are cool with me, but the guys who do stupid stuff and make asses of themselves, i depise. If a guy has a civic and puts all the kits and crap on, but says and realizes its a show car not a racer, sweet for him, but if he puts on loud exhaust, intake, a huge spoiler and body kit, the glowing winshield sprays, lowers it onto the ground and then runs around acting like he can beat every car on the road....pisses me off.

I've said my piece, thanks.

Robslob, for 1 35k< in your dreams. You have to pay a 1000$ gas guzzler tax off the top. And you should know that this car is going to be marked up, and include financing, a 40+k mustang. As far as your Kenny Brown level 5 suspension, whoopty do! Do you think a Corvette's suspension is unmoddable? And you can get a Corvette with no markup, and if you want, Lingenfelter offers a supercharger kit for 8k complete with a warranty that mirrors the factory's for your powertrain. In a non-Z06 C5 it produced 11's at over 125mph on street tires. And considering that stock bottom end LS1's have been taking as much as 600whp and living, testifies to the engine's strength. Ford's new since 1979 platform, however modded it is will not going to match a Corvette mod for mod. John Colleti is even quoted as saynig "The Corvette is America's only real sports car, period." Stock for stock, an 03 Cobra will match a nonZ06 C-5's acceleration, but will not corner nor stop with it. Ford has done one thing though. GIven the Mustang faithful something to be proud of for the next year or so. Chevy is obviously content to let them have their glory, with the soon pending release of the C6, so enjoy it , while it lasts. Put that in your Fairlane and smoke it.

"Stock for stock, an 03 Cobra will match a nonZ06 C-5's acceleration, but will not corner nor stop with it. Ford has done one thing though. GIven the Mustang faithful something to be proud of for the next year or so."----these statements are true my friend----but Ford doesn't have to match the Cobra with the Z06----and you know why, genius? Because Chevy has no aftermarket. What is Ligenfelter , really? I'll tell you what-----a grossly overpriced aftermarket tuner---that is slowly gaining infamy like Hennessy. :) Ford has a monster aftermarket---and an affordable one for that matter. So monstrous now-----that for $4,000 in suspension parts and maybe $700 for a chip and 8lb pulley----can slap around any Corvette that is yet to come. You Vette guys don't realize it yet-----but the Cobra is about to become what the vette has always been-----a worthy adversary pound for pound. The stock vette will always beat out a stock Cobra------BUT the undebatable bottom line is simply that the Cobra comes ready with all the stock components necessary to be a great platform for the building of a supercar. That Eaton supercharger is tunible to the point of about 520RWHP. Sure, you want realistic-----lets say markup on the cobra coupe is more like $40k-----but a vette----no I'm sorry-----a Z06 :) at $50k + an $8k Lingenfelter brings that two a bargain basement number of? What? It can't be . . . $58k???? No way! Oh and I forgot-----the stock Z06 suspension needs to be modified---because it can't handle that kind of horsepower----without serious wear------I think my point has been made. The Z06 buddy, is a pretty heavily 'aftermarketed' car----so don't kid yourself. But bang for the buck-----doesn't come close to being what a Cobra is. Besides----an 03 Cobra looks better than a vette----my opinion-------but an opinion shared by many.

Why not compare to the LS1 f-body if you want bang for the buck? Just about $20k for the ones still on dealer lots, and dynoing around 300hp at the wheels stock.

The Z06's suspension is actually really good, dunno why you think it would have to be upgraded much if any. You are trying to enter value into the equation, but ignore the fact that there is a better bang for you buck car, the f-body. Ya, a stock '03 cobra will take a stock '02 LS1 f-bod, but there is a $20k price difference...

Why do you have a problem with the vette? Why does every car suck that is in competition with your beloved car? Make some sense. You obviously aren't much of a car enthusiast, you are some ass just trying to be cool or better than people in some way, unfortunately it isn't working. With that said, i'll add that i love both cars, i would die for a chance to rip through the gears of an '03 cobra, '94 cobra, '97 GT, SS, formula, etc....The thing to me is i love muscle cars, and types like it. I get giddy as hell when a friend lets me drive their car (as long as its manual and not a complete POS). I enjoy the cars, their power, their looks, feel, and the mentality and culture that goes along with it. You don't seem to have the same wide-spread enthusiasm, and i feel sorry for you.


Truthfully, i almost bought a '98 stang GT, but the formula caught me a bit more. I'd be happy with either car...well, as long as i could mod it.

I am an enthusiast----you should reread some of the posts in the Corvette section-----talking about its greatness-----I'm simply giving an objective comparison of both cars----but you as a Corvette lover-----only want to draw out anymosity on this subject-----I'm not bashing the vette-----but the claims of the Z06 and its price tag-----are hollow views that don't hold up to what Ford has just put forward. If you know so much much about the vette and 03 Cobra-----then you would agree with me. If you don't thats fine-----but everything I've said about the cobra and Vette is entirely true. If Chevy can build a better vette at this time-----then it should come forward and I think it will. But I live in world where it is OK to discuss topics and point out deficiencies and improvements. I never bashed the vette-----just pointed out how its now :devil: trailing a bit-----:)~ The cobra has trailed the SS camaro in performance for years------now it doesn't-----and it no longer trails the Z06. The Z06 isn't the top dog anymore-----and thats my only point. If you think that lateral g grip is the only means of grading a car's 'super star' status---then you are sadly mistaken. Wait till you see the GT40----even SVT is privately giggling----because of the insane grip and handling it will have. I can guarantee you it will out handle the Z06----if it is built the expectations-----and all it will be---is a supercharged street demon. Give the Cobra its props------and please-------stop being so overly sensitive------are you on the rag or something-----who knows--------maybe CY has a pink taco where he should have a 'big daddy' longcocks hangin :)

oh sorry, i don't try to find every post you made.

So far all you did was bash the vette, which is fine, but you never showed your love for both cars.

I defended the vette because you were ripping on it, but then i mentioned i liked both, and the '03 is a great car.

Basically, ya an '03 with a small mod can outrun a Z06, and price for price the '03 wins. Happy? I realize this, i was just trying to keep you from completely ripping the vette appart, its a great car as well.

*Nissan owner walks into room. puts out finger and shouts: SKYLINE WILL RULE OVER ALL!!!!!!!! :finger: and then runs away for fear of the pending heat...*

all joking aside, I am not a large Chevy or Ford fan but I must concede that the Vette is pretty impressive. The only way the 03 Cobra could really touch a Vette/Z06 would be if it had all the creature comforts (power everything, radio, a defroster etc) that the Vette has. And still be able to out handle it stock for stock. because that is what it is all about. It would be unfair to pick two car to go head to head that are in different brackets.


*who else makes an 140 hp engine that can support 500 horses before needing any internal modifications?*

You really think Chevy has no aftermarket? That's got to be the stupidest thing i've heard since the 1900's. Only a fool would believe that. Look, even Ford knows the 03' Cobra can't hang with the Z06. They won't even compare it to the Z06. The Z06 out traps it by @ 4mph in the quarter and easily outhandles it. And what would make you think SVT is snikering about the GT40? It's not even intended to compete with the vette. It's going to cost well over 100k. And the Z06 is regarded by Road &Track as the best handling production car they have ever tested. By time we see the GT40(not that the GT40 has anything to do with the original topic, seems as if the ford faithful are grabbing at straws) the Vette will be alot more powerful, and not saying it will be as faster, or as fast for that matter, but the gap will not be as wide as you think. The Gt40 is intended to be an "exotic" the Vette isn't. And you lloyd nickens, who the fuck cares about an SR20? Besides a stock Skyline will only turn mid 13's. A real bargain for 90k imported huh?

I'd rather drive a subaru WRX--than a damn Skyline-----on other matters-----LS6-----you're nuts-------you can't even compare the Z06 anymore to an 03 Cobra------the cobra is running '7psi-----and can run 16psi----on that stock eaton supercharger------bottom line-------pulley + custom chip------= well it ain't even fair. And I don't want to hear any crap about the vette not having a supercharger---------because thats the main difference here! $50k/405hp/ or $40k for coupe/ capable of 500rwhp----close to 600flywheel/ 3 year warranty! Hands down----very simple selection------oh and by the way-------03 cobra stock suspension can handle 500rwhp. who cares what the stock magazine numbers are in every head to head comparason. with a supercharger-----Ford could launch that to the dealer floors at 500RWHP--------but then again, if that was done-----Chevy would get pissed------and hurry up their time table to supercharge Vette. In do time------Chevy will do the same and supercharge their vette------and realize how much more can be saved on parts-----they are already using a lot of forged components on their Z06 engine-----might as well supercharge it.
Lastly, don't try to compare the aftermarket for Chevy--as if it were ford----Its a David and Goliath matchup-----Ford Racing has more for every time of Ford engine ever made than Chevy has for their engines--------not mention an insanely wicked suspension catalog to boot. Some of the Cobra R stuff is even buying mimicked by the guys that built the new Viper-----oh yea-----they're so damn original over Dodge too.

Originally posted by robslob
[B]$50k/405hp/ or $40k for coupe/ capable of 500rwhp----close to 600flywheel/ 3 year warranty

You are not even seeing the point. Yes, the cobra is capable of 500rwhp (and that doesn't equate to 600hp fly wheel), but that is with MODS dumbass. You are trying to compare a stock and moded car? The vette with mods is capable of 500rwhp.

This my point, both are cool cars. If you even TRY to bring price into it, don't ignore the f-body LS1 damnit, its a value compared to the vette. You bitch about the price of a vette but ignore the f-body. You pay more for the vette because its a vette. I know the extra money doesn't go to pure performance, but if i had the money i'd be in one, i just like vettes.

This is also to say that yes, the cobra is quote a car now. I love that ford finally put out something to cure cravings of power.

GM has a fair aftermarket, so don't act like it doesn't. Both cars can be modded to be the best, so don't get into that.

Price for price i'd take the cobra, the blower attracts me. If i realistically had the cash, i'd buy the vette, i like vettes...

You are so dead set on trying to make everyone think "hey, GM sucks and we should all suck ford's dick", well shut it. Both companies have put their share of good cars, and both have their share of aftermarkets. It would be great if you accepted your own opinion as just that, and opinion. You seem to believe that what you believe is the god-given law, unfortunately we all have different thoughts and preferances, so we all think different things. I prefer one of those cars, but i am open minded enough to say they are both great cars, it comes down to preferance.

Robslob, the small block chevy is the widest used high performance V-8 on the planet period. Don't believe me, do some research. The big block chevy is also the most popular big block. Every aftermarket producer of big and small block parts makes them for Chevrolet's first, and then adapts them to ford and then mopar. It's done in order of popularity and which will make them the most money. So please, drop the aftermarket argument. Hell if you want call one of the many and ask which brand they sell the most of. Bow tie baby......

Originally posted by 96 LT1-Z
. And you lloyd nickens, who the fuck cares about an SR20? Besides a stock Skyline will only turn mid 13's. A real bargain for 90k imported huh?

96 LT1-Z:

If I believed there was a GOD he would not like you! Anyhow. I was just trying to lighten things up. Geez you guys act like this shit is the end of the world. If stuff goes down like it seems like its gonna I don't think anyone will be able to afford the pay for the gas they want to put in their cars.

and besides I really want a Jaguar XJ220 whos performance makes most other cars look slow. (Which can be had for a lil less than a Murcielago)

Everyone else:

I took a side already and there is no point in me backing away from it.

" You are not even seeing the point. Yes, the cobra is capable of 500rwhp (and that doesn't equate to 600hp fly wheel), but that is with MODS dumbass. You are trying to compare a stock and moded car? The vette with mods is capable of 500rwhp."-------Oh sorry CY----you are right------if I'm saying 500rwhp------with an 18% loss from crankshaft to rear tires = 590hp flywheel-------oh thanks very much----dumbass. No shit about the mods------but you are way wrong-------if you think that a MAF/ K&N/ headers/exhaust bolt on to the vette engine for 500hp lol------thats a fricken laugh-------and you know why------5.0 magazine pulled that combo back in their Octoiber 01 issue-------and we were talking only 461hp-----oh and by the way------thats flywheel -------- but I bet to you------you probably think that the vette gets 461RWHP------learn your facts before you criticize REAL facts. Same mods on the Cobra------and you get more power than a vette will see without a cam and head swap . . . -------hey bro------pickup a copy of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords mag-----they've already done the mods that I mentioned---------and they sure as hell aren't any bull. I love you retarts who pull shit out of your ass on this board------my refernces are mags that have actually tested the products on the production cars-------unlike the stories that you fabricate at your lunch room table after Algebra class.

I said heads and cam....a little different to the bolt ons (lid, MAF, ported throttle bottle, LS6 intake manifold, headers, exhaust, under drive pulleys, etc.)....HEADS AND CAM.

18% seems like a fair amount of drivetrain loss, seems more like an auto, and i'm sure you'd only put the best #'s up anyways.

Your entire arguement is that the cobra is a better buy performance wise than the vette. WHY HAVEN'T YOU MENTIONED THE F-BODY YET???!?!?!?! Stripper Z28 for barely over $21,000, and you'll have $19,000 to work with in mods, but lets not get into that mod thing.

Buy for buy, the LS1 f-body seems better because of the price, the cobra is only supposedly putting down 70-80hp more (for $19,000). Which car i'd rather have not thinking of price, the cobra...b/c it is more powerful stock.

The thing that angers me is you are saying that no bowtie can create the power of the ford engine, but that isn't true.

BOTTOM LINE (read this you bastard): Both cars are great cars, and are fast and worth the money. It all comes down to preferances. Truthfully i don't know which i'd get if i could afford either, they both are looking pretty good right now. If you are too thick to admit something like this, well then i give up, i'll never have you understand, but if you can at least admit ths fact, i'll feel as though i've accomplished something.


p.s. Don't be a magazine racer and act like its the word of god...get this, some magazines get doctored cars, some have really crappy dirvers, some don't know crap, and various other things. Try talking to many, many of the owners and see what their numbers and results are.

5.0 magazine and muscle mustang and fast fords----are not magazine racer bogus publications. They are 100% legit and guide owners of mustangs through the what works and what doesn't. That 18% power loss or more less the norm since the 95 cobra. I have an 01 cobra with a vortech-----and even witht he blower-----I was still looking at about 18% power loss on the dyno------I replaced the metal driveshaft with a carbon fiber driveshaft-------and I know you are going to call me a liar-----cause i know you lol------but the power loss has been reduced to 12%. Thats no bull-----also the stock numbers on the spec sheet of the Cobra 390hp, 390lbs torque--------are way conservative. Muscle mustangs & fast fords------was the first independent magazine-------that dynoed it------they even dynoed it at Crazy Horse Racing here in Perth Amboy, New jersey-----they got 381RWHP-----&377torque-----that puts flywheel hp at close to 430hp------That Eaton supercharger------is better than my Vortech------not to mention has better low end torque-------You can ask plenty of guys------and HEADS & CAMS technically fall under the 'bolt on' category-----thats the way many people categorize the heads and cams-------but I'll concede and give you the benefit of the doubt-------because I don't consider the heads and cams as bolt ons either------I'll give you that CY

you all need an reality check, YOu are all forgetting about the best one. The viper is faster than both of them. fyi the mustang is the slowest!!!!!!!!!!!

who cares what the stock numbers are----the Cobra blower can put down more torque & horsepower than the Viper. I hate idiots like you----that don't know what a blower is-----that know nothing of the components of an engine-----get off the thread retard---and only contribute an opinion---if you have knowledge----which you don't :flipa:

Originally posted by -cy-
Is that a car you can just go to the dealer, pick up, and drive home in...no. Same with the Cobra R, i believe, that its not a street legal car, not to mention its been made in extremely small numbers from what i've heard.

If you get into the few special ones ever made, or the non streetable ones then it doesn't have as much point to it. Lets keep it to the normal production line and street legal ones.

actually you CAN go to a dealer and pick up a cobra R, just not anymore.

Originally posted by robslob
who cares what the stock numbers are----the Cobra blower can put down more torque & horsepower than the Viper. I hate idiots like you----that don't know what a blower is-----that know nothing of the components of an engine-----get off the thread retard---and only contribute an opinion---if you have knowledge----which you don't :flipa:

But a top fuel car could beat it...If you aren't talking stock, or real life (your car vs. your friend's as they stand, with the driver they have, etc) its pointless.

Well with _____ i could beat any of those cars, so ha!!!! :rolleyes: Who cares what it COULD do, how about what it does BONE stock. Now if you want to talk specific cars, give the dyno #'s, exact mods, race weight, and EVERYTHING on the car that is moded, removed, or added.

You are just trying to make the cobra come out on top, its a pointless debate with you. Stock for stock the LS1 seems to do about the same (in real life) as the cobra, but as soon as a cobra gets a few mods the LS1 is easily beaten, debating any further than that is pointless....like, well if i got heads cam, bolt-ons, and a blower for the LS1 i'd kill you!!!!!!!

doesn't mean shit. The Cobra had to be choked to pass emmissions and noise level tests---its a blown car---and that makes every bit the difference. We're talking a stock blower----vs. a naturally aspirated engine in the Viper or Z06. Choke the intake and exhaust, as well, run a conservative chip program--like the 03 Cobra has had to----and then watch how quickly both the vette and viper fall from grace. The bottom line---viper and Z06 fans don't want to admit that they have been caught up to. The next 2 cobra's will carry the same blower-----but they will definetely have lighter pulleys---and then it sure will be fun-----watching the blistering 1/4 times and 0-100 times. The Z06 and the Viper aren't so damn amazing as people think---sure they are both fast-----but its only because they both have 300-400lbs less weight than a Cobra-----so please---don't make it sound like the Cobra isn't shit------because if the Cobra had minus the aforementioned weight------it would FUCK up any Z06 or Viper-------IN RECORD TIME!

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF....thats the only point that you seem to make.


I am not saying the cobra is nothing, it is fast, but you are hailing it as god. Ya, the Z06 and viper aren't amazing, they are cool like the cobra.

You think that the exhaust and other parts on any muscle car aren't restricted these days to pass different tests and standards?

I don't think the cobra sucks, but you seem to think i hate it just because i am not thinking that its the best car in the world.

Ya know what, i could build an up an old chevy BB, drop it in some f-body chassis, beef some stuff up, and kick the cobra's ass for nowhere near $40k, but it could also beat the vette and viper (stock). Your point is lost when you are trying to argue, and you don't even pay attention to what i say.

I've said this a number of times on this thread: the cobra is fast, its a great car, its done right....not god, but its still good. If you can't accept that, then you need to rethink your life...like, if you should still have it (life)....that was dumb, but whatever, i have to make a point somehow.

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you act like the cobra is the only vehicle that you can do any mods do. Noone said the cobra wasnt worth anything, but for some reason your implying that. SLOW DOWN AND THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK.

food for thought: the only way ford can make a fast vehicle anymore is to use a supercharger. they cannot make a fast normaly-aspriated vehicle!!


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It may have to be blown to be fast, but the bottom line is its still fast, so lets not go down that track.

very entertaining lol----but I have to agree with the Cobra posters----the 03 snake is a few aftermarket parts totalling maybe $13K with labor----from breathing down the neck of the 6 figure world class group. Notice I said-----aftermarket parts. :silly2: Just wanted to make it clear---I've read the way people nitty pick little things here and there on the wording in this particular thread.

power is power any way you make it fellas. one company chooses one way to produce that power, the other company chooses differently. choose your poison and deal with it. :bandit: