V-8s in Porsches???

Has anyone else heard the rumor of V-8s in Porsches?
Its not conventional. Whats wrong with the flat sixes we've had for so long? What do you think?

well obviously v's arent the porsche way (including the new carrera gt) but since they havent made a real porsche since the 993 -

porsche sold their soul to the devil about 5 years ago
when it assigned a japanese company to help it restrategize and become more profitable and the jap company doesnt care at all about history

so may the original porsches live on!

You think the 996 isn't a real Porsche? Why, because it's watercooled? That would be the only major design difference from a 993.

The 928, 924, 944, and 968 were also not only watercooled they are front engined! Are they not real Porsches?

Also, the 928 had a V8, so a V8 is quite Porsche. As long as it is a Porsche engine, in a Porsche, I will want it.

I was an still am incredibly outraged when I heard that Porsche was considering a V-8 for the 911.


A V-8 for Porsche is fine, as long as it's in a Cayenne or 928. The 911 will soon be celebrating it's 40th anniversary, the one cra that over the years was unmistakeable for so many reasons, a major one being the flat-6.

Now with the introduction of a V-8, the 911 will be nothing, the bodystyle will change, the engine will obviosuly change, the handling, the hertiatge, all gone. Why chnage a good thing? I dodn't mind any 911, as long as it's powered by a Flat-6, water cooled or not.

As if the Cayenne wasn't bad enough, their sales (Except the Boxster) have been up,a nd long term Porsche ha sbeen doing very weel, why sell out now, with VW as a parent company, they shouldn't need to worry about funding.

Sometimes I really don't understand what is going on in Stuttgart.

I think the 911 series should definately have a Flat 6. I further think that Porsche needs to look back an notice that the 924/944/968 line were the most profitable and widespread Porsches ever made...

:bloated: I was researching that for a class project... Porsche isn't affiliated with AUDI/WV... parts are just the same size. :finger:

Really? (I'm not being sarcastic, it's quite interesting though)

I sort of just figured they were since Ferdinand Pieche holds 51% of Porsche stock.

The hysteria is crazy... well let me provide some information after you guys ran a muck. Porsche plans on upsizing the boxer engine by .2 liters. Rumor is that after the 997, the 998 will still have boxer powered 911s but with another line of 911s that will be powered by a V-engine. The V will be the basis of Porsche's racecar.

How build a 911:
Take one of the worst chassis designs (the VW Beetle)
Take some of the worlds best enginers.
Mix well for 40 years adding liberal amounts of hp.

The result is one of the greatest cars made in the last 100 years, even if they are all a bit over enginered. (ever tried wrecking a porsche? dont.)

Now think what could happen if you allowed those same enginers the freedom to create a car with an engine in the right place.
Lotus would go down the tubes for good, and Ferrari and Lambo would also be in big trouble.


This will offend some ppl, but to put it simply the 911 design is dead.
There is a limit to how far forward they can keep moving the engine before the car ceases to be a 911, but for the car to ever improve in its ablity to go around corners it must be moved from its currnet position between the rear wheels.

Allow the same enginers that made a rear engined car handle to design a mid engined car with no restricions (i.e. it cant be better than the top of the linemodel, which holds the boxster back in terms of true performance) and you would have a car that leaves even a GT3 behind.
The 911s rear engine lay out must be left in peace, otherwise it risks being left behind

cbass do you own a enzo?:confused:

Haha, no... I own a pair of Enzo Carsini shoes... They are black leather casual/dress shoes, with leather interior, made in Italy. They really aren't very expensive, but the quality is on par with the best you can buy.

Sadly, my particular line of shoe is the last of them to be made in Italy, like so many manufacturers, they are now moving to developing Asian countries.

And Moppie, if you keep talking like that, you'll see a mutiny :hehehe:

look at the cayenne isn´t it a v8?

Yes, I think they justified the cost of developing the new V8 by sharing it with the Cayenne.

What is a flat six:huh: I would possibly say I know alot about cars but I have no idea what a flat six is. Is it a special type of six cylinder engine? By the way I'm the person that voted what is a flat six on the pole.

Originally posted by agh1
What is a flat six:huh: I would possibly say I know alot about cars but I have no idea what a flat six is. Is it a special type of six cylinder engine? By the way I'm the person that voted what is a flat six on the pole.

Ferdinand grabbed a v6, stuck it in a hydraulic press and crushed it into a flat 6.

It's also known as a "boxer" engine, or horizontally opposed.

Imagine a V6 engine, with the Vee being 90 degrees, a right angle. No imagine making it a 180 degree Vee, with the crankshaft in teh middle, and cylinders on either side. It makes for a very low centre of gravity.

http://www.autorev.com.au/images/MotorSHOW_detriot/porsche-engine-80.jpg
http://www.rgmconsultants.it/auto/images/Porsche%20911%202,2%20S%20engine.jpg
http://racetec.net/images_carsales/2001_0726_356motor.JPG

I love the "clip on" valve covers on the last engine, is that from a Beatle?

The new v-8 Porsche will be more like the new 928- NOT a new 911. It was rumored that it will be another front engined v-8 (hopefully with Twin Turbos:devil: )

Yes, that would be from a beetle :D I've decided I want either an early 911, or a 914/6 :D

The new 996's have extremely capable chassis, but the engine hanging out back in the current Carreras needs some work. They just aren't built like they used to. People don't think too highly of the Boxster, but for some reason they are still the class performance benchmark. If only Porsche would race a fixed roof Boxster with a V-8 in the middle. One can only dream though...

Originally posted by EncryptedMinds
If only Porsche would race a fixed roof Boxster with a V-8 in the middle. One can only dream though...

HHHHMMMMMMMM a V-8 in a boxster..... I like that Idea but would it fit?:eek:

I doubt it, but I am by no means an expert. It would have to be a quite compact 8 though.

come to think of it they could probably just remove the trunk and stuff one in there

It all depends on the V8... I bet a compact V8 like the 360 Modena's engine would quite nicely... Then again, the 5.4 liter 928 GTS engine isn't that bulky :D

does anyone know if the cayenne turbo's v8 is the same one that is in the new audi RS6? they are both twin turbo v8's pumping out 450 horses. i was just wondering...

No, the RS-6 engine and Cayenne Turbo engines are completely different.


Interesting note: the difference between a "flat" engine and a "180 degree V" engine is that the boxer motor has one crank pin per piston while the "180 degree V" engine two pistons share the same crank pin. This allows the boxer motors to run with less vibrations. From the outside, a 180 degree V motor and a boxer motor with the same number of cylinders would look identical.

If Porsche decided to go with an 8 cylinder horizontally opposed engine in the new 911, they'd probably have to make a 180 degree V-8 out of it because it may prove to be a bit shorter than an 8 cylinder boxer. Not to mention, when considering engines where 2 pistons share the same crank pin, 8 cylinder motors are prone to less vibration than 6 cylinder motors. Nonetheless it wouldn't be the same without the cool sounding flat 6!

Originally posted by AC_A340-500
Interesting note: the difference between a "flat" engine and a "180 degree V" engine is that the boxer motor has one crank pin per piston while the "180 degree V" engine two pistons share the same crank pin. This allows the boxer motors to run with less vibrations. From the outside, a 180 degree V motor and a boxer motor with the same number of cylinders would look identical.

Where did you get this definition? According to all of the sources I can find, "flat," "180-degree vee," and "boxer" all refer to exactly the same type of engine. The number of connecting rods per crank pins doesn't seem to factor into the definition.

It's funny that you should ask, because it's only been in the past few months that I've read it in several different sources. One of the sources was Christopherous Magazine (Porsche's official magazine - at least here in Germany), that sparked my interest so I read up on it on a few sites in the net.

here's some info:

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_engine

Here's some sort of forum link which touches on the subject:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.mv?file=commentcomplete.mv&num=177

then there's a short blurb about it here at the bottom:

http://www.northwayporsche.co.uk/faq.asp

Not too many real good sources available though. I'll try to source out which Christopherous Mag it was...

I understand the concept...but none of those sites particularly answer the question. I don't trust "chat" sites (the second site), an encyclopedia that connects the thoughts "air-cooled" and Subaru (assuming they're not referring to the 360) makes me question it, and I'm STILL waiting for the third site to load!

I'll see what I can find.

The 3rd link isn't really that great either. I'll try to source out that magazine.

OK, I found one of the sources that read it in:
June 2003 edition of "Oldtimer Markt" - Europes most published magazine for classic cars and motorcycles. It's on page 11, part of the article on the Porsche 917 "Der Widerspenstigen Zähmung".

It roughly translates:
"Even though the 180 degree cylinder angle would have one believe that the Type 912 motor is a Boxer (engine), it was in fact a flat V-engine. The difference being that a "boxer" motor has one crank pin per cylinder, which enables the cylders to "box" at one another. But like a V-motor, two cylinders shared a crank pin (in this engine.)"

This text suggests that "boxer" motors are unique. It makes no mention of "flat" engines, as some of the links I posted earlier do.

I'll post more as I find it...

http://www.cseimports.com/oldtimer11.gif

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