BMWs are BETTER

Just look at the facts. BMWs are just better all around. Luxury, speed , handling, someone try to proove me wrong. So :flipa: to all you Merc fans.

Yes thats completely true! Merc are for the over 50 club who can live with the shody workmanship and niggling problems that are Merc traits!

However, BMW are for the low life! Scum and all that is bad in the world!

Take the BMW 3 series, what a boring over priced sales reps car! I really find it hard to put it in the executive car market because its used by people erning around 15K per year sales reps or even telesales persons! The Audi A4 is more of a executive car as it's drivers are more suited to that status (As a hole). Everytime a person cuts you up or you see someone being a really stupid prat, the person seems always to be in a BMW!

So to your question, yes BMW is better than merc and that goes without saying, but I would not shout about owning a BMW though (the shame would eat me alive, unless it was an X5)

Aston Man
:sun:

Originally posted by VTBMW
Just look at the facts. BMWs are just better all around. Luxury, speed , handling, someone try to proove me wrong. So :flipa: to all you Merc fans. Flaming is not tolerated on AF, so if you are going to claim that bimmers are better than mercs, you better back it up with numbers! or else everyone will think you're just a spoiled little frat boy that just got a new bimmer from daddy.

Luxury, speed , handling,

a hem mercedes DEFINED all three of those...

ask anyone who isnt a bimmer jerk like urself who would give you the best luxury speed and handling and i bet 70 percent of the time mercedes will come up.

and bimmer..as aston said...is for scum. I've seen people that prolly make minimum wage everyday driving around in a 330i or whatever they are.

And im not dissing BMW but thats only cuz i like the 7 series.

But overall mercedes is def. #1 for luxury speed and handling

oh...ps....jaguars take it all...

Just quoting the big Benz and "big" BMW off supercars.net,

"For the "2002 Fleet Award," Germany's fleet specialists once again ranked DaimlerChrysler vehicles at the top. The award is given on the basis of an expert vote organized by the automotive magazine "Autoflotte" since 1996. In a repeat of its successes in 1999 and 2001, the S-Class once again managed to hold its own by ranking first in the hotly contested luxury segment. The Mercedes-Benz E-Class did the same in the upper mid-range category, while the Mercedes-Benz C-Class came in second among mid-range cars."

"after 4 years, the S class is still on top, and that's the second award granted to the S class this year, even with the launch of the new 7 series..."

"BMW is the one trying to sell their Sedan against the S-Class, which has been the absolute luxury class sales leader for years now. I'm a BMW Fan so I don't appreciate this but it's the truth, the S-Class makes half of the Sales in the Luxury class."


BMW 760i
Configuration : Direct Injection V12
Valvetrain : Double VANOS w/4 Valves / Cyl
Displacement : 6000 cc / 366.1 cu in
Power : 304.3 kw / 408.1 bhp
Torque : 600 nm / 442.5 ft lbs
HP / Litre : 68.02 bhp per litre

Benz S63 AMG
Configuration : V12
Valvetrain : 3 Valves / Cyl
Displacement : 6258 cc / 381.9 cu in
Power : 331.1 kw / 444.0 bhp @ 5500 rpm
Torque : 620 nm / 457.3 ft lbs @ 4000 rpm
HP / Litre 70.95 bhp per litre



Nothing tops Benz :rolleyes:

mercedes are by far the better make. this is backed up by sales figures and market share, and i think they are the most important indicator of success.

And it rests at that :D Benz has flattened the pathetic BMW.

Having worked on both I can say the Mecedes is built like a tank compared to the BMW.

thanks for your opinion. why don't you give us some FACTS to look at and back that statement up? til then, it's just your opinion.:apoke:

Originally posted by snowboarder
Flaming is not tolerated on AF, so if you are going to claim that bimmers are better than mercs, you better back it up with numbers! or else everyone will think you're just a spoiled little frat boy that just got a new bimmer from daddy.

:hehehe:

OK as retarded as the thread starter is....................BMW and Mercedes are companies which targer COMPLETELY different markets. For example- BMW's emphasis on sportiness (ie thier dynamics and engines) tries to put them amongst the younger crowds while Mercedes Benz put thier emphasis on luxury and tecnology and generally try to attract the older audience..


A good example of what I have said would be comparing the C32 AMG to the M3- 2 VERY different kettles of fish.

BMW = Poor Man's Mercedes:D

Power, luxury, speed, handling, build, STATUS, IMPACT...Mercedes takes all of those categories hands down. And the two most important categories, status and impact, it absolutely dominates in. But maybe I just feel that way because my parents own two of them:D I'm a big Mercedes Benz fan, love 'em to death. And absolutely no problems from any of the Mercedes' my family has owned.

Awe guys don't beat up on the Beamer drives aye. If it werent for all those M3, and M5 guys I wouldn't have as much of an enjoyable drive to and from work. Nothing puts a bigger smile on my face then pacing one and having a bit of fun especially when they have a lady friend in the car and are trying to impress them.

I have gotten my fair share of finger treatments lol :devil:

well lotus

think what i would say about bmw and mercedes

all others look the car list and imagine what i would say ;)

Originally posted by VTBMW
Just look at the facts. BMWs are just better all around. Luxury, speed , handling, someone try to proove me wrong. So :flipa: to all you Merc fans.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. and from what Ive seen above you've been proved wrong:flipa: :finger:

Originally posted by del
thanks for your opinion. why don't you give us some FACTS to look at and back that statement up? til then, it's just your opinion.:apoke:

I was just giving my observation, not quite the same as an opinion.

I STILL PREFER THE BMW FOR ITS SPORTYNESS (SP)...MERCEDES SEEMS TO LUXERIOUS FOR ME....PLUS...AT AGE 23 I'M TOO YOUNG FOR A MERCEDES :lol2: GOTTA WAIT TILL I'M 30-35

Originally posted by snowboarder
Flaming is not tolerated on AF, so if you are going to claim that bimmers are better than mercs, you better back it up with numbers! or else everyone will think you're just a spoiled little frat boy that just got a new bimmer from daddy.

Frat boy? I believe the word is fraternity. Do you also shorten the word country in mixed company? :D ;)

Originally posted by Ringo


I was just giving my observation, not quite the same as an opinion.

that wasn't directed to you, but to the thread starter.

Originally posted by Self
BMW = Poor Man's Mercedes:D

Power, luxury, speed, handling, build, STATUS, IMPACT...Mercedes takes all of those categories hands down. And the two most important categories, status and impact, it absolutely dominates in. But maybe I just feel that way because my parents own two of them:D I'm a big Mercedes Benz fan, love 'em to death. And absolutely no problems from any of the Mercedes' my family has owned.

Power- Yes
Status- Yes
Build- questionable- but generally Yes
Impact- yes
Luxury- Yes
Speed- no
Handling-no


Like I said the difference between Mercedes Benz and BMW is that they are aiming for completely different types of people. Having driven most Mercedes Benz and BMW models I say that BMW's are much more of a drivers car is all respects- the chassis are stiffer- and the springs are harder. Also I have observed BMW's to be somewhat quicker than Merc's.



Vince- Hook me up with an M5 and I'll show you what those babies are really capable of ;) Problem is that most of the drivers of those sorts of cars- don't know shit about driving them :D

Wait just a second, Let me list the BMW cars and suvs 3 series, 5 series, 7 series, M roadster, M3, M5, Z3, Z4, and X5. Okay let me list mercedes line of cars and Suvs, C class, E class, S class, CL, CLK,SL,SLk,G class, and ML. Ive made a table of cars that go to the same market of buyers

3 series-C class
5 series-E class
7 series-S class
M3-CLk
Z3 and Z4-SLk
X5-ML
none-SL
none-G class
M5-none
none-CL

okay BMW fans i hope youre happy because now we know that Mercedes targets a lot more people then BMW does. Dont even try to say well, "BMW targets more people because they mak motorcycles"
because Mercedes makes mini vans and a huge line of military and commercial vehicles. I dont hate BMW im just saying Mercedes is better. Oh one more thing BMW fans, dont come over to the Mercedes forum and insult them and their fans. Say it at the BMW forums, please.

Originally posted by sizzilinS7

M3-CLk


EEEEEEhhhh.....Wrong- the M3 Competes with the CLK500 OR C32 AMG

The 3-series Coupe competes with the CLK

The upcoming 6 series will compete with the CL and the E55 AMG copetes with the M5

What a well argued thread this has been (note sarcasm)

Its really very simple. To say BMW is better than Merc or Merc is better than BMW is overly simplified and doesnt reflect much on anyone's debating ability.

The companies in question make cars that are different by nature. BMW makes more sporty cars and MB (generally) more luxurious and refined ones. Those who said Merc is more than a match for BMW in terms of speed and handling have obviously not driven rival cars from each company manufactured in the last decade. 3, 5, and 7 have all been better handlers than C, E, and S. And yes, some w*ankers do drive 330's, but so what? its still an outstanding car and some people appreciate more than just the badge. a lot of w*ankers drive SL's, Ferrari's and Porsche's, do we hate those cars? I certainly dont! It may sound like im favouring BMW, but you would be missing the point. its not all about dynamics, as the 7-series vs S-Class has shown. The 7 is a more accomplished car dynamically, but not a better ride, nor does it make the required impression, which is what "fat cats" ultimately want. And then you have the 5-series, still a match (and better in many areas) than the new E. Executive COTY for 6 years running or so, that must say something. And then you have the SL, which completely spanks the Z8... its really not as simple as everyone's making it out to be. So lets keep the arguments a little more reasoned, a la Jimster, and we might actually make a little sense

cheers

jay

Want to be proven wrong? BMW never use forced induction, so they loose the German HP war (I like my turbos :finger: ), and also one fact -BMWs are F-U-G-L-Y.

and also one fact -BMWs are F-U-G-L-Y.

that's a fact?

really?

then why do i disagree?

b/c it's not a fact. it's an opinion.

BMW doesn't use forced induction so they lose the war?

really?

i'm more impressed with a motor that can make 400hp N/A.

i'm sure if BMW were to build something that was FI, it would destroy Merc if they wanted to.

and come on... take a look at the F1 engine that BMW made in the late 80's. started as 100hp, and ended as 1300 turbo'd hp.

and that was a BMW motor. and a 4 cyl no less... not too shabby...

-Im in the majority when I say that BMWs whole new styling direction is fugly. Even existing M5 customers and people in the whole market find the car too be fugly, and so that proves that my opinion is carried by a lot of people, and BMW WILL lose sales based on this. Its even worse from a relative point of view, when you compare the car to an aggressive looking E39 M5. Same thing with the Evo 8, when you compare the looks of it to the Evo 6. So if the sales will go down for BMW, then I am sure that my opinion, although just that, is significant. Just look at Audi's styling - its far better (opinion as well, but most of the market thinks that - and I know this as I have done a comprehensive marketing project on these cars).

-The whole power issue doesnt bother me, but I like too see them use them. This does not matter too me, but this has also meant less sales, so you can say that MB are kicking BMW's ass in all areas (MB have good looking cars as well). BMW seem too have problems on customer satisfaction.

if you're talking about the newer styling for the cars that are coming out now, like the new 740, and the redesigned 3 and 5 series...

i whole heartedly agree...

Originally posted by Blitzen
Want to be proven wrong? BMW never use forced induction, so they loose the German HP war (I like my turbos :finger: ), and also one fact -BMWs are F-U-G-L-Y.

actually they have used turbos in the past, on previous 5/7s

Originally posted by BlOOe46


actually they have used turbos in the past, on previous 5/7s


and the 2002 Turbo ;)

Originally posted by AstonMartin
Yes thats completely true! Merc are for the over 50 club who can live with the shody workmanship and niggling problems that are Merc traits!

However, BMW are for the low life! Scum and all that is bad in the world!

Take the BMW 3 series, what a boring over priced sales reps car! I really find it hard to put it in the executive car market because its used by people erning around 15K per year sales reps or even telesales persons! The Audi A4 is more of a executive car as it's drivers are more suited to that status (As a hole). Everytime a person cuts you up or you see someone being a really stupid prat, the person seems always to be in a BMW!

So to your question, yes BMW is better than merc and that goes without saying, but I would not shout about owning a BMW though (the shame would eat me alive, unless it was an X5)

Aston Man
:sun:

I dont want to see another stupid, unreasoned post such as the one above. This guy stereotypes and criticises the mentalities of BMW drivers when his ability to spell is somewhat lacking. FYI, Aston man, it's "as a whole", and not "as a hole". They mean entirely different things. By your reasoning i would have to come to the conclusion that Aston drivers are uneducated.

A little more reasoning from now on. Thanks

Mercedes Benzes are the best engineered cars. Even the screws that hold the license plates are precision machine screws, not wood thread screws like most other cars. Now, imagine the craftsmanship that is implemented on the rest of the Benz.
I've worked on these machines and I've driven them.
You realize which cars are crap and which cars are great if you've worked on them. Although I am impressed with the craftsmanship and ride, I feel like i'm not mature enough to own one.


PS: I love the "alumminum immitation" plastic steering wheel of the new Aston Martin Vanquish, that must be Fords inspiration?

Haven't had the pleasure of driving too many BMWs. Driven my friend Joel's Z3...A 323 I think it was? And an M3 for a short time. All nice cars for sure, just not really as good of an experience as when I have driven Mercedes. My parents own two of them, a CLK320(one in my sig), and an S55AMG, and both of those cars are a wonder to drive(especially the AMG:D). As it is I've had much more experience with the Mercedes and just prefer them much more than any BMW I've driven or seen. But I love the looks of the M3, one of the nicest looking cars out there if you ask me. Again though, the way I feel about it is, BMW is the poor man's Mercedes:D

Oh come on... BMW is far from the poor man's Mercedes.

Merc has the upper edge on prestige but cant claim to make better cars. In fact they have some cars which shamelessly wear the Merc logo whilst in reality, they dont deserve it, or at least the price tag that comes with it. The V-class is a cheap POS van and the price MB charges for it is outrageous, a downright crime. I pity the fools who buy that "car". And dont get me started on the Vaneo. The C-Class is a very good car but doesnt match the 3-series all-round, and is way overpriced. This might be acceptable if the interior was a good, old-fashioned bomb-proof Merc interior, but its not. Far from it. Ditto for the E-Class. The about to be replaced 5-series was executive car of the year 6 years in a row and was deemed by most road tests to be a better drive than even the new E when it came out, which again is more expensive and I felt it had a cheap feeling interior. We own the previous generation E and the interior is several notches ahead of the new one, no joke. CLK's are nice but dont handle like they ought to. The lower end of the engine range is also ridiculous. My neighbour has a CLK 200 and i swear my 1.6 Golf is the faster (and better sounding!!) car. Thats simply not acceptable. The M-class isnt a patch on the X5. The Sport Coupe, or whatever its called, is an expensive, under-engineered joke. This is from first-hand experience. In fact the only two Mercedes Benz cars that beat their BMW equivalents are the S-Class (though again, not as dynamically accomplished), and the SL, which is the only Merc that is truly dynamically superior to its BMW rival, the Z8. As for AMG vs BMW's M division, that really is a one-sided argument. Only one of those specialists makes sports cars, and it sure aint AMG. Dont get me wrong, Merc make some great cars, otherwise we wouldnt own one, but they're getting complacent and cant claim to make cars that drive better than their Bavarian rivals. The simple fact is BM make great sports saloons and Merc make great cruisers. And its sad some of the shit that comes with owning a BMW when the reality is many people buy an Audi just not to own a BMW. Now that's sad. The simple truth is - and this is from my father's friend who works in the motor industry - that people go to BMW dealerships and say "i dont care which model, just put me in a BMW".... now go ahead and tell me that this reaction doesnt come down to BMW making great cars. I dare ya

Originally posted by crayzayjay
Oh come on... BMW is far from the poor man's Mercedes.

Merc has the upper edge on prestige but cant claim to make better cars. In fact they have some cars which shamelessly wear the Merc logo whilst in reality, they dont deserve it, or at least the price tag that comes with it. The V-class is a cheap POS van and the price MB charges for it is outrageous, a downright crime. I pity the fools who buy that "car". And dont get me started on the Vaneo. The C-Class is a very good car but doesnt match the 3-series all-round, and is way overpriced. This might be acceptable if the interior was a good, old-fashioned bomb-proof Merc interior, but its not. Far from it. Ditto for the E-Class. The about to be replaced 5-series was executive car of the year 6 years in a row and was deemed by most road tests to be a better drive than even the new E when it came out, which again is more expensive and I felt it had a cheap feeling interior. We own the previous generation E and the interior is several notches ahead of the new one, no joke. CLK's are nice but dont handle like they ought to. The lower end of the engine range is also ridiculous. My neighbour has a CLK 200 and i swear my 1.6 Golf is the faster (and better sounding!!) car. Thats simply not acceptable. The M-class isnt a patch on the X5. The Sport Coupe, or whatever its called, is an expensive, under-engineered joke. This is from first-hand experience. In fact the only two Mercedes Benz cars that beat their BMW equivalents are the S-Class (though again, not as dynamically accomplished), and the SL, which is the only Merc that is truly dynamically superior to its BMW rival, the Z8. As for AMG vs BMW's M division, that really is a one-sided argument. Only one of those specialists makes sports cars, and it sure aint AMG. Dont get me wrong, Merc make some great cars, otherwise we wouldnt own one, but they're getting complacent and cant claim to make cars that drive better than their Bavarian rivals. The simple fact is BM make great sports saloons and Merc make great cruisers. And its sad some of the shit that comes with owning a BMW when the reality is many people buy an Audi just not to own a BMW. Now that's sad. The simple truth is - and this is from my father's friend who works in the motor industry - that people go to BMW dealerships and say "i dont care which model, just put me in a BMW".... now go ahead and tell me that this reaction doesnt come down to BMW making great cars. I dare ya

Don't really disagree with too much there, about the vehicle comparisons, as I don't really know. Don't know about the handling of the CLK, as I'm not "allowed" to put the car through its paces, hehe. And definitely don't know how the S55AMG goes around things either. But the CL55AMG isn't a sports car? And the SL55AMG isn't a sports car? And the SLK32AMG isn't a sports car? I think that AMG makes sports cars just as well as BMWs M Division. And even if you somehow don't consider them sports cars, how does that make the argument about which is better one-sided? They don't have to make sports cars, that's not what AMG necessarily means. Some people, like myself, wouldn't even really want a Mercedes sports car, I leave that to my Z28:D As for the Audi thing...That's ludicrious. I know exactly what you're talking about and I think it's outrageous. BMW is far superior to Audi in my opinion. I just don't think it's so with Mercedes. I understand very clearly what status and prestige are. A lot of people don't. And they don't understand that those two items are very, VERY expensive. I don't think that the vehicles are overpriced considering the S&P(nice abbreviation huh:D) that comes along with them. Like you said about people buying Audi's just so they don't have to be in a BMW, you don't have to deal with that when you're talking about a Mercedes Benz. And that costs a lot of money.

The fact that i dont consider AMG's sports cars doesnt mean the argument is one-sided. It just means that Merc loses out on which cars handle/drive better.

This guy i know - i wont call him a friend, he's somewhat of an a-hole :D - has an AMG SLK and it really doesnt handle the way it should - flops all over the place, a Z3M would leave it for dead - no comparo. Whilst ive never had the pleasure of driving an E55AMG, my cousin has (previous gen), and he came back with the conclusion that it was a fast car that was nothing special around the turns, if anything it was quite disappointing and dangerously uncommunicative when pushed hard. He went on to buy an M5, which he is still thrilled with several years after first buying it. AMG and M make cars for different people. You cant get an M5 with an automatic gearbox. That should tell you something. AMG's are fast saloons, but theyre not intended to make your hair stand on end, that simply wouldnt appeal to the traditional Merc customer.

Again, it comes down to two companies with two slightly different focuses... or should that be focii :p

BMWs Blow Out The Ass....You Say THe The Best In Speed....Lets See Theres A Dodge Viper That Raced A JET And Lost By .1 Of A Second And It Lost Bc The Jet Went Of The Ground At The Very End Or Else It Possibly Could Have Won..And Its Funny How You Would Think A BMW Could Do That...They Stand No Chance Against American Muscle. DONT BE A FOOL PAL. And I'm Sure If Some One Wanted To Try and Look For A Car That Can Beat It In In Handling And Stuff They Could Find One :thefinger

Originally posted by ImPoRtHaTer
BMWs Blow Out The Ass....You Say THe The Best In Speed....Lets See Theres A Dodge Viper That Raced A JET And Lost By .1 Of A Second And It Lost Bc The Jet Went Of The Ground At The Very End Or Else It Possibly Could Have Won..And Its Funny How You Would Think A BMW Could Do That...They Stand No Chance Against American Muscle. DONT BE A FOOL PAL. And I'm Sure If Some One Wanted To Try and Look For A Car That Can Beat It In In Handling And Stuff They Could Find One :thefinger

Wow this is smart y'all don't yee have a NASCAR race or a rodeo to attend hick-boy???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


I never said that BMW's were the best in speed- we said they were better than Mercedes Benz cars in speed- Of course a Viper can go faster than an M3 I mean and 8.0 litre V10 versus a 3.2 I6- geez not hard- BUT the M3 manages a quarter mile only 1 second slower than a Viper- a car with more than twice the engine size!

As for handling- I can't name a stock American sports car that can out handle an M5- yet alone a luxury saloon

Originally posted by ImPoRtHaTer
BMWs Blow Out The Ass....You Say THe The Best In Speed....Lets See Theres A Dodge Viper That Raced A JET And Lost By .1 Of A Second And It Lost Bc The Jet Went Of The Ground At The Very End Or Else It Possibly Could Have Won..And Its Funny How You Would Think A BMW Could Do That...They Stand No Chance Against American Muscle. DONT BE A FOOL PAL. And I'm Sure If Some One Wanted To Try and Look For A Car That Can Beat It In In Handling And Stuff They Could Find One :thefinger

you´re still at AF?

Originally posted by ImPoRtHaTer
BMWs Blow Out The Ass....You Say THe The Best In Speed....Lets See Theres A Dodge Viper That Raced A JET And Lost By .1 Of A Second And It Lost Bc The Jet Went Of The Ground At The Very End Or Else It Possibly Could Have Won..And Its Funny How You Would Think A BMW Could Do That...They Stand No Chance Against American Muscle. DONT BE A FOOL PAL. And I'm Sure If Some One Wanted To Try and Look For A Car That Can Beat It In In Handling And Stuff They Could Find One :thefinger
You do realize that that Viper was not stock right?:rolleyes: American cars suck. Yes I drive a Chevy and I love my truck but it still sucks. The quality is horrible, so much shit sounds loose. I hear it in my friends Fords, Dodges, etc. Even though i'll own another chevy in the future, it will be after I buy my 330ci in 2 years. American cars suck, they quality sucks, the engineering sucks.

I like both BMW and Mercedes-Benz, but for what it's worth: over here in Germany, the resale value of Mercedes cars between 3 and 15 years of age is significantly higher than those of comparable BMW models. I'm not sure why, but it probably has something to do with the more "timeless" designs of the Benz models. Again, I have no probelms with BMWs.

Originally posted by TexasF355F1

You do realize that that Viper was not stock right?:rolleyes: American cars suck. Yes I drive a Chevy and I love my truck but it still sucks. The quality is horrible, so much shit sounds loose. I hear it in my friends Fords, Dodges, etc. Even though i'll own another chevy in the future, it will be after I buy my 330ci in 2 years. American cars suck, they quality sucks, the engineering sucks.


ok so american cars suck

that means mercedes, mazda, subaru, mitsubishi, jaguar, saab, volvo etc.....suk too since they are owned or affiliated with american cars manufacturers.....

also all the cossie WRC cars suck, F1 jaguar teams sucks, former F1 benetton ford, lemans cr5 and gts-r all those cars suck majorly since they are owned by american manufacturers.....yes you must be right......all those races when they won were probably fixed.....since stupid american engineers suck:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Neutrino



ok so american cars suck

that means mercedes, mazda, subaru, mitsubishi, jaguar, saab, volvo etc.....suk too since they are owned or affiliated with american cars manufacturers.....

also all the cossie WRC cars suck, F1 jaguar teams sucks, former F1 benetton ford, lemans cr5 and gts-r all those cars suck majorly since they are owned by american manufacturers.....yes you must be right......all those races when they won were probably fixed.....since stupid american engineers suck:rolleyes:

Well the Jaguar F1 team does sort of suck...............:redface:

Originally posted by Jimster


Well the Jaguar F1 team does sort of suck...............:redface:


yeah they are not the best right now......but a few years ago bennetton ford was doing awesome....heck they discovered Schumacher too.....


and they are probably not doing their best because they are too intimidated by Ferrari.....cuz Ferrari o3nz J00 alll:biggrin:

Well, here's my opinion on the matter...BMW and MB both make very high quality cars. MB is a car for the more status-oriented person, as their cars have a higher prestige value than Bimmers. However, BMW is more of a pure drivers car than MB, evidenced by their better handling and sportier feel. MB needs to have a 3rd pedal on their cars for me to take them seriously as a performance car company, but their stubborn affection with slushboxes causes me to not even consider their cars if I wanted a performance car.

If I want to ride in luxury and style...MB
If I want a blend of performance/luxury with a sporty feel...BMW

Side note...anyone seen anything about the new M5? 500+hp N/A...what a beast!

BMW, :iceslolan
Mercedes:sly:

Well put, Silver


Welcome to AF :bigthumb:

Originally posted by SilverDC5Terp

Side note...anyone seen anything about the new M5? 500+hp N/A...what a beast! [/B]

i see them driving around here in munich! this car is kickass.
what about M6 with around 550 ps!:wink:

but their stubborn affection with slushboxes causes me to not even consider their cars if I wanted a performance car.

This has more to do with the North American market than with Daimler-Benz's "affection with slushboxes". Over here most MB automobiles are sold with 6-speed manual transmissions and not automatics, but as one may expect, the more upscale the car (E and S-Class for example), the higher the chance of it having an automatic.
However, their 6-speed manual trannies have a "notchy" feel to them, the BMW manual transmissions being smoother shifting.

Nonetheless I think you've summed up the BMW vs. MB image comparison quite nicely.

Thanks...I just thought this bickering was rather stupid...I mean they're both great cars that serve different purposes. No reason to fight over them.

I have to agree. Very well put Silver. Its nice to see a new member who doesn't talk a lot of sh*t. We've been plauged with some bad members here in the last few weeks. Welcome aboard.:smile: