west rc211v '02

hi guys,

i'm starting to do the west rc211v '02 hopefully with some room of improvement after the previous bike.

here is the repsol rc211v '02 box kit which will be used as the donor kit along with the s27 west decals set
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/459719box_with_decals-med.JPG

guys, i need your help here. what i know is to get rid of the seamline after assembling the parts, you have to use the putty to get rid of it, right? i'm wondering in this diagram of one of the parts of the engine, did i do it right? when it's dry, i have to sand it off till it's levelled, right?
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/459719engine_west_.JPG

adrian

this putty job seems to be messier than i thought :banghead:. anyway, i have removed some excess of it. i better learn to be more patient and composed when doing these things. i'll start painting the engine when the seamlines on the other parts are gone.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/459719engine_with_some_putty_removed.JPG

adrian

I know of two ways to make the seam easier to get rid of. One try making sure your glue has had time to soften the plastic before you put the two halves together. Two, use super glue on the seam after the two halves have been glued together which is what I do most of the time.


Hope that helps,
Mark

Hey Adrian,
You will really like the S27 decals. I just finished my West RC211V recently. A couple of minor points: the putty seemed to be applied rather heavily. You may wish to try it in thinner applications as it will mean less drying time and less work for you. Also, are you sure you need to putty the engine halves? Ask yourself: will that part of the engine actually be visible when completed? Again, save yourself a lot of unnecessary work: save it for applying CF decals...
Mind you, if you feel it is needed, then it is. You should always be the judge of your own work.
Other than that, enjoy the build. You will be happy when it's done!

yeah desmo,

i thought of it quite a while after applying it. also i do admit that the putty i put on is quite heavy when i see it after that. i already have decided long before started the west that i would only get rid of the seam on the seat cowl & the exhausts where the parts would be viewable in the end.

adrian

I'm with Desmo here. You did apply too much putty. I also think you could consider using another type of putty that is more easily sanded. Tamiya has one called "Basic putty" that is quite good. Fill the seam and sand, fill again and repeat until levelled out.
I too think you'll love this build as the West livery is so great!
Joel

actually guys the seam is generically correct and can be left as is. the cases must be split in half to service motor and its this seam that is in correct place. maybe the barrels can be tidied up a bit where the centre part goes.

rod

Adrian,
The livery on this bike is awesome and it looks sensational when finished.
Check out my thread and hopefully it will help?
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=363688

rob, i saw your thread for the west honda. that is really well done & very well detailed. i'll try to build a little bit more detail for this bike than my previous pramac bike. how do u paint the exhaust that made it look realistic. i've been trying to find some ideas but i just couldn't pull it.

joel, i see most japanese modellers in modelergp use mori-mori to get rid of the seamlines. is it good to use?

adrian

I don't really know what that is, Adrian... Never heard of it... But if the japaneese builders use it you can probably count on it as a good idea!
/J

rob, i saw your thread for the west honda. that is really well done & very well detailed. i'll try to build a little bit more detail for this bike than my previous pramac bike. how do u paint the exhaust that made it look realistic. i've been trying to find some ideas but i just couldn't pull it.

joel, i see most japanese modellers in modelergp use mori-mori to get rid of the seamlines. is it good to use?

adrian

The Mori Mori is a two-part putty which is excellent to sand and shape once dry. It's also fast drying which makes it very useful in large area's. If you look at progress threads that have a yellow looking putty that is what it probably is.
I finish most of my exhausts using the Tamiya clear paints as described here:
http://tamiya.com/english/howto/bike1/tip1.htm

rob, i see that the tamiya site suggests using the airbrush. do u use the airbrush to do so? or do u use the normal paintbrush? it's pretty expensive to purchase the airbrush & i'm sure the airbrush is useless without the machine, right?

adrian

rob, i see that the tamiya site suggests using the airbrush. do u use the airbrush to do so? or do u use the normal paintbrush? it's pretty expensive to purchase the airbrush & i'm sure the airbrush is useless without the machine, right?

adrian

Yep, I use an airbrush for almost all of my painting. Although expensive when you include a compressor, it does make a big improvement!

Hey ace91 good luck on this new project!! the black colours looks nice on this bike, i hope to see next pictures soon

Roca

hi,

has been a while since i started the west rc211v. gotten a bit lazy lately but i managed to get myself to continue.

here is the engine which is completed. at least i'm sure the putty spots wouldn't be that obvious after i painted the engine.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/459719engine_west_completed_.JPG

adrian

hi again,

joel, i've just used the tamiya basic putty & it seems to be quite handy. it's so easy to use.

i'm gonna sand them maybe tomorrow as i'm waiting for them to fully dry.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/459719parts_with_putty.JPG

adrian

Hi Adrian. You'll probably need to sand it down and put on putty once or several times more. Try to use some primer in between if there's no irregularities visible with your own eyes.
/Joel

hi guys,

after i've placed & sand the putty, i primed & painted the parts. actually it's the first time i've used the primer. this is the pic after i've done the paint.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/459719painted_parts_west_.JPG

i'm wondering, does the tail cowl have the seamline on the real bike or not?

adrian

oh yeah, i forgot when i posted the post above. the instructions in s27 says delete the mold of the silencer. how should i do it? cut the mold with a knife?

adrian

Adrian, just picked up on this thread.

Regarding your last question - just use sanding paper or a file to smooth out the silencer. Likewise with the seams on the halves joining and the mould lines - just smooth down with sanding paper. Cutting that kind of detail away with a modeling knife will be messy and if you were me, the knife would most likely catch somewhere and you'll end up ruining the silencer itself with gouges.

As for the questions a while ago on the weathering of the exhaust system - the only way to go about it is with airbrush. You can't hand-paint it and have it look natural. Unless you've got a misting technique you'd want to share with me! ;)

As for this kit - did one myself last year. It is highly enjoyable. The scheme might look a bit intimidating, but these decals are just awesome. You can almost just show them the water and model and they practically apply themselves! You'll see when you get there - think it's the best set of aftermarket decals I've ever worked with.

Enjoy the build!

Hi adrian
With tail cowl do you mean the one at the rear end where the exhaust muffler exits or the larger lower piece in the front of your photo? I guess that you mean the first one I mentioned and that piece doesn't have a seem in real life. It mounts on the part where the actual seat is located.
best regards
Joel

seabee, i filed off the mold on the silencer & it looks all right after that. i think i would be using the knife if i didn't ask the question just now. also if i use the knife, i may have damaged the silencer. here is the pic of the exhaust with the mold filed off, placed putty & painted.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/459719exhaust_west_.JPG

adrian

The exhaust is looking great.

Looking good adrian
It seems that you didn't had problems with the silencer finally.

Good luck!!

Roca

hi guys,

i puttied both the fuel tank & the tail cowl to get rid of the seamline. it seems to be ok in the end. about to finish soon when i complete the steering & setting up the cowls.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/459719fuel_tank_tail_west_.JPG

adrian

hi again,

thanks for the comments.

the bike is 95% complete & here is the pic of the nose & side cowl.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/459719nose_side_cowl_west_-med.JPG

actually i thought of going a little bit of the extra mile in detaillings. this is the pic of the front side of the bike. i'm wondering how do i set up the clear wire & the green wire in that area.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/459719front_side_incomplete_west_.JPG

roca, your motogp box is really fantastic. i would like to see your progress. take your time.

adrian

The cowls looks good! Maybe the left side of the cowl have airs bubbles (Over the letter e) anyhow with a little bit of micro-sol the problem will be solved.
Keep us updated

roca, your motogp box is really fantastic. i would like to see your progress. take your time.

adrian
Thank's!! :wink:

yeah, i'm aware that there's an air bubble at the left cowl over the letter 'e'. i'm wondering, is there a website that sells microsol? i couldn't find it at hlj.

anyway, here are the pics of completed version of the west rc211v in different angles.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/459719west_angle_1_-med.JPG

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/459719west_angle_2_.JPG

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/459719west_angle_3_.JPG

adrian

Very good job......Love the Barros' bike!