A twist on "why do you believe?"

My question is: Why don't you believe in any other gods?
What does your god have that the others don't?

Obviously this doens't apply to those who don't believe in any higher power whatsoever.

I believe (that means I believe to be a fact, not that I have faith) that there is a God who is protecting and watching over us. I believe this because over the last few years I've been asking for the power to believe, and I got it. But first came the power to see the help he provided when I had no power to help myself, then came the belief. Do I believe that it is the God of Christianity? I don't BELIEVE that. I will accept it if it is true, when the time comes for me to know. But I can't compare and contrast other gods to my god because I don't know who my god is. I just believe and trust in him, whoever he is, because he has shown to me his presence.

This is a good topic.

IMO most 'people of the book', (Judeo - Christian - Moslem) believers would say that God, Yahweh (sp) and Allah are one and the same. It is just the ritual of worship and the culture of religious observance that is different. Therefore, they do not choose one God over another.

It may be reasonable to ask "why do you choose your religion over others?"

Adherents to other religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, anamist religions, etc) may say that that God does not exist and/or believe in no God at all, yet still adhere to a religion.

As for me, although I find religion fascinating, I am an athiest and I find the murderous extremism of some religious people ( throughout history and today) just reinforces my lack of belief in any God.

IMO most 'people of the book', (Judeo - Christian - Moslem) believers would say that God, Yahweh (sp) and Allah are one and the same. It is just the ritual of worship and the culture of religious observance that is different. Therefore, they do not choose one God over another.

But what about, say, the greek gods? Why believe in allah and not zeus?

lol... nobody believes in Zeus anymore! If zeus was real, I think he would have done something by now about the fact that nobody thinks he exists.

If he does exist, let him strike me dead right now lol...

lol... nobody believes in Zeus anymore! If zeus was real, I think he would have done something by now about the fact that nobody thinks he exists.

If he does exist, let him strike me dead right now lol...

So what reason is there to believe in god and not zeus? That's what I'm getting at...
Why don't you believe in zeus, and why is the god you do believe in different?

If god exists, let him strike me dead with this post

...still here

As for me, although I find religion fascinating, I am an athiest and I find the murderous extremism of some religious people ( throughout history and today) just reinforces my lack of belief in any God.

"free will".

Unfortunately religion tends to get hijacked by people with their own agendas.

cause the stories of the other gods would mean they'd have done something. there's no way they'd just let us be. they had influence and continuous involvment in people's lives.

that's all i got. im too tire to care about typng some speech. maybe later. still, a little different, i guess...

So what reason is there to believe in god and not zeus? That's what I'm getting at...
Why don't you believe in zeus, and why is the god you do believe in different?

If god exists, let him strike me dead with this post
So wait... are you saying you believe in Zeus?

I'm just saying that if there is only one god, and NOBODY believes in him anymore, I think he would do something about it. I mean, I've never met anybody who believes in and worships zeus.

I don't know who my god is. I think it's God. I believe a lot of what is said in Christianity. Where I get confused is where all these devout christians have different interperetations of the same things, and they claim them to be exact. The only reason I am not 100% sure it's the christian God is for that reason. One small example is the whole story with the apple. First of all the bible never says apple. It says fig. And it's pretty obvious that people just kind of skim through the bible and make up their own variations of it, then they go around acting like they know what they're talking about. This is the foundation of my skepticism. It builds up to me questioning more and more of what I hear about Christianity, and quite frankly I don't think there is a church out there that really knows what they're talking about when they preach to the masses. That's why I don't go to church. I believe that they are only causing mass confusion among the devout believers. I mean, the things I hear people say are just ridiculous.

I believe in God I just don't believe in man, enough to take his word on religion. That's why I don't know who my god is. But I believe he knows who I am, and I believe that if I want to know him and I ask him for guidance he gives it to me. That's why I don't believe in anything that is purveyed to me by man. I only believe what god purveys to me himself. I feel his presence.

So wait... are you saying you believe in Zeus?

I don't believe in any god, but I do believe all the mythologies (including zeus and the christian god) are based from a single archetypal constellation imbedded in the subconscious of all humans, what Jung called the 'collective unconscious' and the various different ways it has been manifested are the result of cultural differences. So in a sense I believe they may carry some truth in that they explain 'wisdom' that can only be conveyed through metaphors and symbolism. Basically, I think people should concentrate more on what is said than who says it or how they say it.

Damien, in the old testament god actively participated in the lives of people, and even in the new testament with physical miracles he executed and the whole impregnating a virgin thing.

Unfortunately religion tends to get hijacked by people with their own agendas.
Amen, brother.................. :)

Unfortunately religion tends to get hijacked by people with their own agendas.


That within itself is true and well stated, and it is perhaps a secondary premis to coddle and promote existing primary political agendas; icing on the cake, if you will.

Bin Laden, for instance, requires that all US forces must leave Saudi Arabia, stop supporting Israel, and the Kingdom must be de-throned. This is an unmistakable politcial schedule and gives him his primary drive; the Koran and it's nit-picked, out-of-context literature is something that grants him, in his mind, the moral legitimacy for his actions on trying to actually promote his political agenda, and hence, is secondary in a hierarchy of events. Though he is often portrayed in the media as a raving lunatic, and in the world today, the word "terrorist" is reserved for fanatic Muslims, he is nothing more than a classic gangster, though his scale of coercion and "racketeering" is much more grandiose and horrific that any of the traditional mob bosses dreamt of.

Sorry. A little off-topic.

My question is: Why don't you believe in any other gods?
What does your god have that the others don't?



Man is limited in his mental capacity, and evolves slowly. In the world today, Man has come a long way in terms of technology, but has yet to shed his primal instincts of greed, power and destruction, which is why today's times are most troubling: you have advanced, powerful weapons in possesion of a very primal creature. Bush. Ahmedinijad. Bin Laden. Olmert. Same difference.


Thus, where man freely admits that the Gods and their likenesses were conjured up by non other than Man himself (Zeus, etc), given Man's limited capacity, raises obvious questions to the legitimacy and authority of such Gods. Divine power must be mystical, elusive and vague for people like me to grasp, as odd as that sounds. Stories conjured up by romantic poets of the Old of great gods with their selective hierarchies, chain-of-command, and powers, are nothing more than just that: stories. How they differ from the stories of the prophet's of the book (Moses, Jesus and Mohammad) is something I cannot explain. Perhaps the visions these prophet's had granted their unifying, single and all-powerful God more authority than several bickering gods which a poet sat down, and dreamt up.

Asked, what does my God have what other's don't? The answer would be this: all-inclusive power and supreme singularity. No need to have meetings on Mt. Olympus. No bickering between minor and major Gods. "Sepcial powers" or abilities would not be dispersed is a fashion that true goodness may only come if all worked together. No. One boss, one judge.

Asides from the above, which was nothing more than personal opinion, I offer a more objective approach. Judaism and Islam focus vehemenetly on the existence of a single God. Infact, in Islam, the greatest sin is "shirk", or accepting a God any other than the One. This concept is all but hammered-in every page of the religious texts to the point of saturation. Christianity, through St. Paul, may add the Holy Spirit and other divinities to the mix, but the concept of a single being reigns supreme in all three world religions. Mother Earth, the Great Spirit, Karma, Nature, etc, all point to a single supreme being. Even Hinduism and the mythologies, among others, have an all-powerful champion on whose shoulders everything rests, ultimately (Krishna, Jupiter, Zeus, etc.).

In conclusion, there is little more than personal belief that causes people to believe and hold strong to that which they cannot detect with any of their given senses. And yes, then there is your standard Augustinian question: if God is all powerful, all-good, and all-knowing, why is there evil and suffering in the world? Augustine seems to have answered it. I cannot. And yet I believe. Logic and concrete rationale take a step back, and they are replaced by everything other than the objectivity a rational man seeks.


:2cents:

Muslims do NOT believe on the God of Abraham.
If they do, then ask yourselves why they kill Jews!!!!

A few days after being judicially tortured to death in plain view if his own mother (!), Jesus met His schocked and afraid buddies and told them He'd
be leaving them soon, and rose to be with His Father.
ALL OF THESE GUYS SUFFERED HORRIBLE DEATHS later on.
Would they have suffered such for a lie?

Gott mit uns

With regard to the OP, I offer two Richard Dawkins quotes:
"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."

"Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."

Muslims do NOT believe on the God of Abraham.
If they do, then ask yourselves why they kill Jews!!!!
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religion
"Islam originated in the 7th century, in the Arabian cities of Mecca and Medina. Although not a dissident branch of either Judaism or Christianity, it is believed to be a continuation and replacement for them. According to the Qur'an, holy book of Islam, that book (Qur'an) was the final word of God and its message was that of all the prophets. As an example of the similarities between the faiths, Muslims believe in a version of the story of Genesis and in the lineal descent of the Arabs from Abraham through Ishmael, who was conceived through Abraham's servant Hagar."

also:
"Muslims believe that the Jewish God is the same as their God and that Jesus is a divinely inspired prophet, but not God. Thus, both the Torah and the Gospels are believed to be based upon divine revelation, but Muslims believe them to have been corrupted (both accidentally through errors in transmission and intentionally by Jews and Christians over the years). Muslims revere the Qur'an as the final uncorrupted word of God brought through the last prophet, Muhammad, and Islam is viewed as a final correction of Judaism and Christianity."

It seems that Islam would view Christianity as making the same error as Christianity sees in Judaism - Failing to believe that thier one last guy that showed up was the one to whom you were all supposed to be paying attention.

In any case, they sure do seem to all be talking about the same Abraham.

Gott mit uns ...said the belt buckles of the Nazis (the vast majority of whom were Christian) as they, too, slaughtered the Jews. Is that the connection you meant to imply?

Muslims do NOT believe on the God of Abraham.
If they do, then ask yourselves why they kill Jews!!!!

Indeed they do. So the story goes, God told Abraham he'd have a child, but Abrahams wife was like 90 years old and they didn't think she could give birth, so they decided Abraham should procreate with one of his wifes servants. She had a kid named Ishmael. THEN Abrahams 90 year old wife really did have a kid named Isaac. Christianity claims descent from Isaac and Islam from Ishmael. Both claim Abraham as the father of their people.

A few days after being judicially tortured to death in plain view if his own mother (!), Jesus met His schocked and afraid buddies and told them He'd
be leaving them soon, and rose to be with His Father.
ALL OF THESE GUYS SUFFERED HORRIBLE DEATHS later on.
Would they have suffered such for a lie?


You're assuming all that stuff really happened. What reason to you have to believe that?
All these other religions also have stories about people who suffered and died for their beliefs. The question is what makes your religion different that you believe it's story and not the others?

Muslims do NOT believe on the God of Abraham.
If they do, then ask yourselves why they kill Jews!!!!



Its a bad habit if you speak without thinking first. Anyways, JAY! and LjasonL covered it pretty much.

Bin Laden, for instance, requires that all US forces must leave Saudi Arabia, stop supporting Israel, and the Kingdom must be de-throned.



And theres nothing wrong with what he said. Im not supporting Bin Laden by any means but if he did really say that, then he is correct. Lets get on to US Forces:

1.US forces are considered non-muslim forces 2. Supporting a foreign army is also frowned upon in Islam and since we do not believe taking our fight outside our land 3. Saudi is a Muslim country, supporting non-Muslims to attack Muslims it is like betraying your family members.

For the Kingdom:

1. No land or country in this life deserves to be called "Kingdom." That name and place is already reserved for Heaven and since nothing in this world or life represents or even comes close to looking like Heaven, what makes them think they can call there land Kingdom? 2. To call yourselves Kings (as ruler of all ppl) is one of Allah's names. To name yourself Malik (King in arabic) is fine as long as your intentions are for the love of Allah(swt) and not having the intention to call yourself King in order to glorify yourself.


This is far as my knowledge tells me. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

My question is: Why don't you believe in any other gods?
What does your god have that the others don't?



To make it short. All religions besides Islam makes it seem that God is weak.

To make it short. All religions besides Islam makes it seem that God is weak.
I might be able to see your point. A god who leads his followers to hijack civilian aircraft and cut up people with boxcutters in order to fly those planes into buildings loaded with occupants must be a very powerful god, indeed.

Now THERE is a god who truly must be feared above all others, huh?

I might be able to see your point. A god who leads his followers to hijack civilian aircraft and cut up people with boxcutters in order to fly those planes into buildings loaded with occupants must be a very powerful god, indeed.

Now THERE is a god who truly must be feared above all others, huh?


Right on the money! :thumbsup:

Then you agree that it is acceptable to commit such acts in your god's name? You condone this sort of behavior as a proper command from your god?

Is this what makes him strong, this command to kill the infidel?

Are the others weak because they don't preach this?

Bear in mind you did say that all religions beside Islam make it seem that God is weak.

Then you agree that it is acceptable to commit such acts in your god's name? You condone this sort of behavior as a proper command from your god?

Is this what makes him strong, this command to kill the infidel?

Are the others weak because they don't preach this?

Bear in mind you did say that all religions beside Islam make it seem that God is weak.

Wow. Can't take sarcasm huh? God according to Christianity made him seem weak. Meaning, they he slumbers/blind/wrestles with a human being. That is what I meant. In the Qur'an, God does not sleep/nor is he blind. You definitely misunderstood my post. Im not goin to argue with you because you lack the ability to understand Islam according to your posts. So I decide not to bother with you. Feel free to reply if you like but I already know that nothing will get through your head. So its basically pointless talkin to a wall.

Works for me.

Then you agree that it is acceptable to commit such acts in your god's name? You condone this sort of behavior as a proper command from your god? Hey, remember the Spanish Inquisition? Or the Crusades?

Hey, remember the Spanish Inquisition? Or the Crusades?
Not from personal experience, since I wasn't there, but I've read about them.

And the point would be what? That the Catholic church "makes their god seem strong"? That they're just as badass as the followers of Islam?

Sure. Why not? Why should the Islamists have all the fun?

If you believe in one God and turn out to be wrong, your screwed, if, on the other hand you try to be as good as you can and let judgment come as it may, a truely merciful God would understand that you were made imperfect. If I get punished still... than God is a complete ass

I believe in one christian god. I believe his son is named jesus. I know if you believe in some other god or religion, your risking your eternity.

For the most part tho, i believe most religious cultures fight over who has the best imaginary friend. If you think your god causes tornadoes or earthquakes or some stupid crap like that, be prepared to burn in hell.

Sure. Why not? Why should the Islamists have all the fun?

When it comes to killing people in the name of "god" islam is very, very new to the sand pit, and has a lot of catching up to do.
If you want to be nice, you had better let them have a turn with the digger.

I believe in one christian god. I believe his son is named jesus. I know if you believe in some other god or religion, your risking your eternity.

For the most part tho, i believe most religious cultures fight over who has the best imaginary friend. If you think your god causes tornadoes or earthquakes or some stupid crap like that, be prepared to burn in hell.

Wow... your God basically sent Chriss Angel down to mindfreak everyone, and when they didnt take him seriously he drowned everyone. I have heard many christians say that everything happens for a reason because it's Gods plan. Well... that includes tornadoes and earthquakes... FYI, how do you even know YOUR God is THE God? You don't, you just have faith. It would be a better idea not to denounce anybodies God. Think about it... if you were from the middle east you may be denouncing your current God anyway. Religion is relative.
I really don't feel it's worth putting effort into what God is real. We have clearly outlined the ways in which we can treat eachother well... if we stick to that, how can we go wrong.

Wow... your God basically sent Chriss Angel down to mindfreak everyone, and when they didnt take him seriously he drowned everyone. I have heard many christians say that everything happens for a reason because it's Gods plan. Well... that includes tornadoes and earthquakes... FYI, how do you even know YOUR God is THE God? You don't, you just have faith. It would be a better idea not to denounce anybodies God. Think about it... if you were from the middle east you may be denouncing your current God anyway. Religion is relative.
I really don't feel it's worth putting effort into what God is real. We have clearly outlined the ways in which we can treat eachother well... if we stick to that, how can we go wrong.

treat each other well...right now cultures exist that believe they are religiously justified to come kill me and my family JUST BECAUSE the god i choose to believe in. Sould i accept and respect this?

Sould i accept and respect this?


YES.
It makes you the better man, if you happen to really believe in your God, and his moral teachings, it is what you should do.
Thou shalt not kill. Dick head.

Those of us with more rational beliefs however, have every right IMO to try and defent ourselves if they do decied to attack us. We don't of course have any right to attack them first.
Fortunatly the vast, vast majority of people with anykind of religeous belief are quite peaceful about it. Its only a small number who are a little power crazed who like to use thie religion as an excuess to be violent.

I believe in one christian god. I believe his son is named jesus. I know if you believe in some other god or religion, your risking your eternity.

For the most part tho, i believe most religious cultures fight over who has the best imaginary friend. If you think your god causes tornadoes or earthquakes or some stupid crap like that, be prepared to burn in hell.

But you didn't answer the "why" part...

Why do you believe in one christian god?
Why do you believe his son is named jesus?
How did you come to know that if you believe in some other god or religion, your risking your eternity?

treat each other well...right now cultures exist that believe they are religiously justified to come kill me and my family JUST BECAUSE the god i choose to believe in. Sould i accept and respect this?
That's beside the point of this thread. Surely you don't believe how you believe because other people would persecute you for it. Or do you?

1: because i can.

2: because i can.

3: Because thats what the bible says.

Im not going to set here and get called names, or argue with council mods. Believe what you want to. Im done with this thread.

BTW people have the right to defend themselves, no matter how "rational" others think their beliefs are. Killing over religion is stupid, arguing over religion is stupid. If anything i said constitutes being called names or having what i said picked apart, then so be it. Pick away.

BTW people have the right to defend themselves,

you shouldnt haev been called names, i agree.

now see the problem with religion.. we arent individual countries and we're already at war. It's time to evolve fella's... maybe to the brotherhood of shut the fuck up and be nice to your nieghbour...
isnt it after all the primary idea... to be moral? I can do that without threats of burning for eternity because I like to be moral. For those that choose to be selfish and use us moral peoples... thats what jail or death is for.
Let there be no doubt, it isnt jail or death that keeps me in line. Its me... all me

you shouldnt haev been called names, i agree.

now see the problem with religion.. we arent individual countries and we're already at war. It's time to evolve fella's... maybe to the brotherhood of shut the fuck up and be nice to your nieghbour...
isnt it after all the primary idea... to be moral? I can do that without threats of burning for eternity because I like to be moral. For those that choose to be selfish and use us moral peoples... thats what jail or death is for.
Let there be no doubt, it isnt jail or death that keeps me in line. Its me... all me

I agree, and I think that you would find a significantly higher level of integrity and "moral", consistent behavior among non-religious groups. All of the atheists I know act with a much higher level of integrity and morality than many of the devout Christians I know

Im not going to set here and get called names, or argue with council mods. Believe what you want to. Im done with this thread.



That was sarcasim lost in the religion, not ment to offend.
And don't get put off by the titles under our names, certianly don't let it stop you expressing your opinions, they are all valid regardless of how others feel about them

Im not going to set here and get called names, or argue with council mods. Believe what you want to. Im done with this thread.
It is unfortunate that you do not wish to continue this discussion, but I will post my further questions anyway, and perhaps other members will contribute their answers...

1: because i can.

2: because i can.
These are non-answers. Again, it is unfortunate you would enter this duscussion, then refuse to respond to further inquiry. If you don't care to answer me, that's fine, but I hope you will at least be honest with yourself as to the "why" of your beliefs.

However, even your non-answers beg a question:

Does a person ever really choose what to believe?

Borrowing from the wikipedia:
"Belief is usually defined as a conviction of the truth of a proposition without its verification; therefore a belief is a subjective mental interpretation derived from perceptions, contemplation (reasoning), or communication."

So, then, does a person have full control over their how they percieve, how they reason and how they communicate?

Furthermore, does a person have control over the process by which their collection of perceptions, reasonings and communications form beliefs?

This may be a topic worthy of its own thread, but still... Figured it's worth a shot.

3: Because thats what the bible says.

That must be the New Testament, then? Which version? Which translation?

How do you feel about the Tanakh? And how about the Qur'an? And the Book of Mormon? Have you considered the validity of the Apocrypha or any of the other deuterocanonical books?

BTW people have the right to defend themselves, no matter how "rational" others think their beliefs are. Killing over religion is stupid, arguing over religion is stupid. If anything i said constitutes being called names or having what i said picked apart, then so be it. Pick away.
You posted in a discussion thread in a philosophy forum. You posted about your beliefs and made assertions based upon them.

Argument is an amazingly useful logical tool. There is no inherent harm in argument. :sunglasse

Furthermore, does a person have control over the process by which their collection of perceptions, reasonings and communications form beliefs?



Maybe not. Strong evidence suggests we are driven by an unconcious thought process. If so, we undoubtedly pre-determine which ideals will best suite our needs.
For myself, past experiance has made me particularly sensitive to being threatened, therfore anyone who threatens me in spite of my own personal desire for morality is counteractive of my ideal.
Question remains though, do I controll that.

The interesting thing is that I have now asked this question within myself. Now that I am fully aware that I could potentially control this predisposed tendancy to retract from those who threaten, can I then accept God and live under the threat of hell.
Well, I choose no. Not because of my past; but because upon using a concious logical adult thining process I still find it morally wrong to threaten people to suit your own ideals.

Remember self preservation though, I eliminate that thinking when it comes to law. Those who break it ought to be threatened because it is more logical to save us than to ebrace our logical ideal to the point where we let people run around and do whatever wrong they want. Logic.

Sorry about this post, hope I made a clear point in adressing Jays question

Without even taking the time to read the other comments, the plain simple answer is that you believe what you feel comfortable with. Religion is born through the lack of answers to the questions that cannot be answered without questioning; What happens after death?, why is there a world, universe, reality? The human brain almost literally fries at the rate of curousity and just has to know. Then some guy comes up with a brilliant idea; People hate, kill and steal.. How do I stop this? well i tell them how to live in harmony with your surroundings yadayada. But why would they obey those rules? Ofcourse, I give them unquestionable answers to the unanswerable questions and that they will be greatly awarded if following these rules (wich they will when everone is loving everyone), and when they die, they won't be able to get mad at me for lying about the answers, because they're dead.

And then there are people who are happy with the fact that these questions cannot be answered, and use my life philosophy; It doesn't matter.

Religion is born through the lack of answers to the questions that cannot be answered without questioning;

Religion is born out of my need to scare you out of stealing my bread. Fear is all that tamed us and continues to do so. From that fear, mankind settled somewhat and focused there attention on matters not related to defence and survival, like why is the sky blue and how did the universe start.

OMG

treat each other well...right now cultures exist that believe they are religiously justified to come kill me and my family JUST BECAUSE the god i choose to believe in. Sould i accept and respect this?

Just what freaking religion are you suggesting that'd be? Islam? Whatever it is, they are NOT following their religion, and you're not doing that either.


1: because i can.

2: because i can.

3: Because thats what the bible says.

Im not going to set here and get called names, or argue with council mods. Believe what you want to. Im done with this thread.

BTW people have the right to defend themselves, no matter how "rational" others think their beliefs are. Killing over religion is stupid, arguing over religion is stupid. If anything i said constitutes being called names or having what i said picked apart, then so be it. Pick away.

Ever thought of the concept of MAKING YOUR OWN MIND UP? Instead of conform to an already existing religion since 2007 years back, made up by those who claimed the world was flat, the sun circled around the earth, the people who has killed more people than the plague, nazism and communism together throughout the years? Ofcourse what you say will be picked apart, It's prejudicing and ignorant. I hope your kind will be a victim to an inquisition of atleast half the terror the 17th century lol-christians lead. WWJD-what would Jesus do? I'll tell you what he'd do, he'd RESPECT other religions, tell people to live well and love each other and don't bother that much about weather or not they've been good people so far and by God not care about how good OTHER people is. Since you've clearly missed out the whole point with everything Jesus said, who your religion is named after, I'd say GET EDUCATED.

I believe in one christian god. I believe his son is named jesus. I know if you believe in some other god or religion, your risking your eternity.

For the most part tho, i believe most religious cultures fight over who has the best imaginary friend. If you think your god causes tornadoes or earthquakes or some stupid crap like that, be prepared to burn in hell.

You selfrighteus snowed in fascist.


Religion is born out of my need to scare you out of stealing my bread. Fear is all that tamed us and continues to do so. From that fear, mankind settled somewhat and focused there attention on matters not related to defence and survival, like why is the sky blue and how did the universe start.

I think both fear and curiosity goes hand in hand on this matter. You're really curious of what'll happen after death, and are really scared it'll be something bad and create a comforting belief that says you'll get to heaven. And then someone who wants people to act good to eachother in the meantime, says you'll go to hell if you don't. And then people like above, tell people they'll go to hell because they're different.

Ever thought of the concept of MAKING YOUR OWN MIND UP? .

Nope...never heard of it.

GET EDUCATED.

You yourself need to educate. Dont presume that you know what another man knows about his own religion. You dont know me like that, simple as that.


You selfrighteus snowed in fascist.

Oh yeah an inch of snow is really snowed in... And to whom does your opinion matter, if i may ask?



I think both fear and curiosity goes hand in hand on this matter. You're really curious of what'll happen after death, and are really scared it'll be something bad and create a comforting belief that says you'll get to heaven.

That sounds more like your own fear and curiosity, not mine.


And then someone who wants people to act good to eachother in the meantime, says you'll go to hell if you don't.

You dont get to heaven by acts alone. But yeah if you run around killing people over religion, you go to hell.

And then people like above, tell people they'll go to hell because they're different.

If you believe in a god other than the true god then you will go to hell. Not because you are "different". Thats more like because your "stupid".

Im too busy today to even start on this thread... maybe tomorrow i will yank some chains here :)

I saw some comments on comments, no arguments. Try again fascist.