Legalizing Marijuana

I was just wondering what all you guys think about legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana. I was just reading an article from the government of Canada and from what i can tell i'm almost postive that they will decriminalize it within 5 years here in Canada. I think this because in the article there are people in the government, in the ministry of health that say it doesn't harm your body and alcohol and cigarettes are a thousand times worse for your body. This is direct stuff from the government!! They were also already thinking of laws and taxes to put in place on marijuana, they were sayin that in the not to distant future that they are most likely going to make laws that will decriminalize marijuana, on law was it will be illegal to smoke in a public place. So it will be perfectly legal to smoke it in your house and they said there will be a certain amount that you will be able to carry with you. There was also a poll performed, about 15,000 people took part in it. They said that out of those canadians polled 70% were for decriminalizing because they think it will be safer that people won't buy from illegal drug dealers but straight from the government (they said only about 4% of the people polled actually smoked marijuana). Drug dealers will obviously still be illegal because marijuana will be sold by the governement at certain locations.

I gotta find the article so I can post it, but i was just wondering what you guys think

whoops, i was going to have a poll but i forgot to put it in, is there anyway i can still put a poll in?

hmmm marijuana is basicly natures prozak:D

i hear ya..... that would be cool havin it legal, that means like when i'm in college it'll be legal
:bonghitte :bonghitte :bonghitte :bonghitte

how much does it cost in the states? I heard you guys gotta pay alot for it... i don't know what you guys go by in the states but a 1/2 ounce here is like $120 canadian so like $80 american

:eek: Hell no! A half O is about 35$ in the states. Sometimes less. an O is about 60, usually less if you have a cool dealer.

Not that I would ever involve myself in illegal activities.... Oh, hang on while it hit this 3 footer....
OK.

Where I'm at, there are about 3 basic grades of weed.
-dirt, or brown, or mex is about about 60/ounce
-mids is somewhere higher, but cheaper than green. I dont trust mids, if your cheap, get dirt, if not, get kind/green.
-dank, green, kind. usually 50 to 60 for 1/8 ounce. once you get used to this stuff, you don't go back. this stuff is the shit... looks like stuff outta hightimes.

As for the Legalize issue- I read that most of Europe is going to 'sort of legalize' it. For instance, in Brixton, a section of London, limited amounts are tolerated (not prosecuted). Similar to many other western european countries. And, in Spain, apparently everything (even heroin) is OK now (Oh, I must go visit the motherland!)
And, they did mention what someone said about Canada. Even that one entrepenuer is going to seup cafes all along the CAnada/USA border.
I read this stuff in a little mag called TIME Magazine. No shit, go to time.com, I think the article is called 'Europe goes to Pot'
Anyone from over there clear this up? Especially Spain.

I doubt that USA will legalize it, especially as long as the same folks in power are the folks in power.... You see, they profit from the drug trade. They profit from the drug war. The CIA has admitted that they have imported drugs, and will continue as long as it is 'in the interest of national security'.

Now, if they profit from the importation, and the drug war (weapons/technology profits) there is one more place where profit is possible. So is it a coincidence that there are mandatory minimums for most drug offences, and that since the drug war started there has been a large trend to house inmates in private prisons, which are profitable to private parties, not to the public?

for more info on the drug war that sin't reported on cnn, cbs, abc or any other large media corporation, check out these sites:

NarcoNews (http://www.narconews.com)
Cop vs Cia (http://www.copvcia.com)

Well, I don't drink, smoke, or do anything "bad", but in my opinion Pot should be legalized. Although I personally have no desire to drink or smoke pot, other people should and I think they should have the right to choose. The government fears giving people power of decision, yet I think that vesting responsibility in people makes them act responsibly.

Besides, pot isn't as addictive or troublesome as tobacco and alcohol, so there's not reason why it should be so taboo and a bottle of jack and some smokes is perfectly okay. Although some say it is a gateway drug and the evidence for or against it's harmful side effects aren't always clear, alcohol and tobacco pose more of a problem to us.

So, although I don't have a desire to do any, and I don't think any need to be legal (but prohibition definitely WON'T work) the government should make it legal.

I think that Canada is going to do it because the government wants to profit off of it, if they keep it illegal they're wasting millions of dollars on the "war against drugs" plus they're wasting police activites on it, they should be concentrating on a murder case and a psycho fugitive not a 16 year old who just wants to hit a sesh and chill in his basement, not causing any harm
They're going to legalize it because they want to get rid of drug dealers, they want people to buy from them that way they can tax it and make HUGE money to help the nation, that way there will be more money for healthcare, education, etc.

Originally posted by dre

-dank, green, kind. usually 50 to 60 for 1/8 ounce. once you get used to this stuff, you don't go back. this stuff is the shit... looks like stuff outta hightimes.


those are the prices somebody told me me from the states after he came here... I was like holy shit!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: that's an ass load of money for that much chronic
he said that the only kind of weed we got in Canada is that kind the dank green....... Canada has REALLY good shit, especially B.C. bud

adding poll...

I added a poll for you, gang$tarr. :D

thank you! I am forever grateful oh wise Silver S2000 :D

come on people!! i wanna know opinions so far only 4 people have replied... and enzo and dre are the only ones to actually state their opinions on the subject!!!

k, why the hell isn't anyway posting in this thread? it's okay your mommies won't see what opinions you have on "bad" things

Given the topic, I'd assume you'd me much more mellow... :smoker2:

I have about the same opinion as enzo, myself. They should tax the hell out of it though. :D

Personally, I don't like smoking of any kind. I think it's disgusting. I'm glad CA doesn't allow smoking hardly anywhere. It's so weird when I go to Vegas and have to remember to be seated in the non-smoking section.

Heres my 2 cents worth.....

I have to sit on the fence on this one...i'm neither for or against it.

I have never touched the stuff and never will.....i get silly enough on beer !!!

As long as they try and inforce it the same as drink driving....maybe OK.
In my view they are just as bad behind a wheel then a drunk.

What i am against is the people who try and push it on to others who dont want it.
Does it lead on to harder drugs ??

My work is going though a stage where they are trying to bring in drug testing....its a very touche subject.

How will night clubs/pubs get on....will they have to make seperate areas ???

Originally posted by primera man
As long as they try and inforce it the same as drink driving....maybe OK.
In my view they are just as bad behind a wheel then a drunk.
I forgot to make this point. Driving high = driving drunk. There should be better laws for that anyway.

No one should drink and drive.....fullstop.

Originally posted by primera man
No one should drink and drive.....fullstop.
I think that may even deserve its own thread, primera man! :mad:

Originally posted by primera man
Heres my 2 cents worth.....

I have to sit on the fence on this one...i'm neither for or against it.

I have never touched the stuff and never will.....i get silly enough on beer !!!

As long as they try and inforce it the same as drink driving....maybe OK.
In my view they are just as bad behind a wheel then a drunk.

What i am against is the people who try and push it on to others who dont want it.
Does it lead on to harder drugs ??

My work is going though a stage where they are trying to bring in drug testing....its a very touche subject.

How will night clubs/pubs get on....will they have to make seperate areas ???


If you don't mind, i'll just answer all this stuff....

beer and alcohol is alot worse for you than marijuana, alcohol kills (i forget the exact number) but ALOTTA brain cells, while marijuana doesn't. Smoking marijuana doesn't make you agressive like on alcohol, it is like a downer, you just wanna sit and be mellow.... just relax, not start fights or anything......

Driving after smoking marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as driving drunk, have you ever read a story in the paper about an accident cause by a blazed driver? I haven't.... this is because after smoking marijuana you are more aware of what is going on around you and you kinda like examine every situation and everything that could happen if you did whatever..... while driving drunk is freakin crazy, it's probably one of the dumbest things you could ever do because it slows your reaction times, etc. etc. you know what happens
but i still agree their should be laws against it because you aren't normal, so it's not the same as driving "sober"

I've never seen anybody push it on anybody else, people that smoke marijuana are usually really calm, nice and likeable people... they'll ask you if you want some to be polite, and if you say no thanks, they don't care, cause there's more for them and to a weed smoker it's all good, whatever decision you make, if you like what you're doin, it's all good.

It doesn't lead onto harder drugs..... but it is usually the first substance people use, before they get into real drugs (i don't really consider marijuana a drug). I don't really know that much about this though because all the people i know that have smoked marijuana have never done anything else, because they're scared of getting addicted to a bad drug, or the damages that the drug could cause to their body. A messed up kid is a messed up kid.... saying that marijuana lead to harder drugs is like saying that every person that drinks alcohol is going to be an alcoholic... which is completely untrue, if people have bad self control they can make bad choices.... if any of my friends ever did anything more than cigs/drink/marijuana, then i would never ever talk to them again... i think people that do other drugs are fucked up and they need help

about the night clubs/pubs, so far i've heard that the law is going to be that it's illegal to smoke it in a public place, so people are going to be smoking it at home, not like in the netherlands where people smoke it freely in smoke/coffeeshops

The main reason i think marijuana is okay because it's pure.... it's so simple, God put it on this earth, and we take it straight from the earth and use it....... unlike "real" drugs that a processed and un-natural (not to mention for fucked up people IMO)

wow that was long, but i like stating my opinion on every subject.... this isn't to change your opinions, i just want to let you guys know what my stand on the subjects you're talkin about is

the only time i smoked i got motion sicknes and puked out the window of my buddys ride man did that suck i can honestly say i havent touched the suff agiain .... but if u want to get stoned more power to u as long it is in a safe manner

btw my buddy wasnt high while driving

http://www.drdrew.com/Topics/article.asp?id=907

Some highlights:

While marijuana does not have the immediate, dramatic effects on health that deter many people from trying drugs such as crack and heroin, it does have insidious, long-lasting effects on the brain that can dramatically alter quality of life for regular users. Marijuana use is associated with dozens of health risks, including not only all of the diseases caused by cigarette smoking but also psychological conditions specific to marijuana users.

Short-term effects include:
increased heartbeat and pulse rate
bloodshot eyes
dry mouth and throat
panic attacks
impaired learning, memory, judgment and complex motor skills
difficulty speaking, listening, thinking, retaining knowledge and problem solving
loss of sense of speed and time
altered heart rate (increased by about 40 beats per minute)
anxiety
paranoia

Long-term effects include:
psychological dependence
increased levels of truancy, delinquency, fighting, arrests and health problems
bronchitis
sexual dysfunction, lowered sperm production, inhibited ovulation
emphysema
asthma
heart attack
cancer
My opinion is still the same. I'm okay with legalization. But don't try and say it's harmless.

i never said it's harmless... i just said that alcohol and tobacco is A LOT worse

all that stuff is obvious

for the short term effects everybody knows that your eyes get red, your heart beat CAN easily be increased (that's why they warn old people about smoking it because it can over work the heart and there have been 4 cases of heart attack from this, but all with people over the age of 50 with previous heart problems) and there haven't been any deaths related to marijuana ever.. and anywhere, because you can't overdose on marijuana... somewhere it said you'd have to smoke approx. 10 pounds worth in an hour... which is impossible, and even if you tried you'd pass out from all the heavy breathing before you'd even come close.. you get dry mouth when you're smokin it a.k.a. pasties where you don't have alotta spit.... panic attacks, paranoia and anxiety never happen, this mainly happens your first few times smokin it when you're all worried you're going to get caught.... that never happens more than a couple times your first couple times smokin it (unless you're a natural, hehe)

now on to the long term effects:
the psychological dependence just means you'd want to smoke it again... it isn't very addictive, tobacco is as addictive as cocaine! and on a scale of 1-10, tobacco is a 10 and marijuana is a 1 on level of addiction... increased levels of fighting? sorry but that's just bullshit, you're sources must be old because most of this research has been proven wrong within the past couple months... the lowered sperm count is known fact, i aint worried about that becuase they said that you'd have to smoke it like a couple times a day to get it really bad within 20 years of smoking. I used to think that the only problem with it was that you can get lung cancer and stuff because you are SMOKING so it's obvious.... but the amount you smoke is far less than cigarettes, smoking the amount of 1 cigarette more than once a week is considered alot of weed smoking... and that's less than like a pack of cigarettes every couple months... now add in all the chemicals and tar cigarettes have that marijuana doesn't have (because it's all natural, straight from the ground) now you see why there is a VERY small chance of you developing any of these problems.... since people that smoke cigarettes develop these problems after smoking a pack a day for like 30-40 years (numbers vary but i'd say that's the average) do you know how many cigarettes that is? that's approx. 9000 cigaretes a year for 30 to 40 years, so 30-40 times 9000.... that's a hell of alot considering a heavy marijuana smoker probably smokes about 200 cigarette size joints a year.... while most people i know only smoke about 40 a year, and that's for the people that smoke it alot (of my friends)

I'm not trying to change your opinions, I'm just trying to inform you..... because alot of the research done even just 2 years ago is mostly bullshit and propaganda..... i'm going to try and find some recent articles straight from the government, if it didn't have any postives than the government wouldn't have already legalized it for medical purposes.

these are all quotes, i didn't say this stuff:

Fact #1 "In 1995, based on thirty years of scientific research, editors of the British journal Lancet (the British equivalent of New England Journal of Medicine) concluded that "the smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health."

Fact #2 "90% of kids who try marijuana don't go on to use other drugs, and do not continue to use marijuana. "

Fact #3 "Over 70 million people have tried marijuana. Most marijuana users never use any other illegal drug. Indeed, for the vast majority of people, marijuana is the last drug they try, not a "gateway" to other drugs. If it were a gateway drug and if it were so addictive, we would have more than 3 million heroin and cocaine addicts in the U.S. "

Fact #4 "Marijuana produces immediate, temporary changes in thoughts, perceptions, and information processing. The cognitive process most clearly affected by marijuana is short-term memory. In laboratory studies, subjects under the influence of marijuana have no trouble remembering things they learned previously. However, they display diminished capacity to learn and recall new information. This diminishment only lasts for the duration of intoxication."

Fact #5 "Every serious scholar and government commission examining the relationship between marijuana use and crime has reached the same conclusion: Marijuana does not cause crime. The vast majority of marijuana users do not commit crimes. Almost all human and animal studies show that marijuana decreases aggression."

Fact #6 "There is no compelling evidence that marijuana contributes substantially to traffic accidents and fatalities. In driving studies, marijuana produces little or no car-handling impairment - consistently less than that produced by low to moderate doses of alcohol and many legal medications." [they also said that you shouldn't drive under the influence of marijuana, just to be safe]

I got these all off the same website.... department of health

http://www.edrugtrader.com/ better get with it then.

Originally posted by gang$tarr



Driving after smoking marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as driving drunk, have you ever read a story in the paper about an accident cause by a blazed driver? I haven't.... this is because after smoking marijuana you are more aware of what is going on around you and you kinda like examine every situation and everything that could happen if you did whatever

You bring up some good points.....i cant disagree or agree with any comments you have made as i'm not really up with the play with this subject.
Most people i know mix the both which still cant be good ???

After a crash do the police test you for marijuana use ???......i have read of a few crashes lately here in NZ where the police have blamed the death on marijuana use.

You say that it makes you more aware of things around you.....or do you just think it does as your not really thinking right ???.

Is it the same as driving drunk.......how many people think they are better drivers after they have had a few ????

no it's totally different.... i read a research thing on marijuana and driving, i don't remember the web site but they said that your reaction times after smoking marijuana are almost as fast as normal... you really are more aware of things, because you're always worried about what could happen if you did this or that, and you like analyze every situation in your head :D

driving after doing both has got to be the dumbest thing you could ever do, because the marijuana makes the alcohol effect higher and the alcohol makes the marijuana effect higher, and that's when you're really messed up

Ask any cop if he would rather go into a house filled with people drinking, or a house filled with people smoking bud.
Just the fact that in the English language there is a term 'Bar-Fight' proves my point. I wonder if in Amsterdam there has ever been a 'Smoke Shop-Fight'?

I disagree though about 'being more alert' behind the wheel when on weed. Maybe the studies are true, but it's not a good idea. If legalized, I think marijuana should have similar restricitons as alcohol.. minimum age, disallow driving while intoxicated, and maybe do not allow violent felons to buy it, (although it would probably help violent people more than others).

As for the long term affects posted- those are the same long term affects as tobacco. Only difference is Republicans own the tobacco companies, thus tobacco is legal.

I once read that at the time George Washington was president of the US, farmers were required by law to devote at least 10% of their crops to hemp. Most farmers had no problem with this, as it's uses are endless.

yeah you can do soo much with hemp, it's really a woner material... that's another reason they wanted to legalise marijuana because they wanted to use the hemp

and i agree about laws against driving while under the influence, i'm just sayin that there's alot less risk then if you're drinking

another 'old' thread....thanks buddy:rolleyes:

Guess it depends who is funding the study as to what the conclusions are.I can only speak from personal experience, but it would appear that cannabis,especially when abused in conjunction with alcohol,can have severe effects on mental health.Also,my work brings me into contact with quite a few people who have embraced the cannabis culture.As a generalisation,they seem to be the people who can't make it to work on time,can't hold down a relationship,fall foul of the law,etc,etc......

Of course there may be successful stoners[an oxymoron in my dictionary,but stil..] among my colleagues,but as a rule,the habitual users appear easy to spot.

:confused: Mr T? Who you talking about? The last post before yours is from G$ from 08-27-2001. Someone must be voting without posting or have deleted their thread.

Originally posted by YogsVR4
:confused: Mr T? Who you talking about? The last post before yours is from G$ from 08-27-2001. Someone must be voting without posting or have deleted their thread.

Indeed....the same person who rooted around in the AF dustbin for all the other archive stuff.;)

Originally posted by Taranaki
Legalize? I thought it was legal? Are you saying I'm a felon?

doh! Guess you'r caught 'Naki! :flipa:

Originally posted by taranaki


Indeed....the same person who rooted around in the AF dustbin for all the other archive stuff.;) Me...:bloated: