MR2 3SGTE vs. 280sx SR20

wat would win??


MR2 3SGTE(3rd Gen J-spec) vs. 240sx wit S13 SR20??

cuz im plan'in on get'n a MR2 non-turbo then engine swap. My friend Roman has a 89 240sx wit an S13 SR20 engine in is. He did beat an Civic Type-R at the race'z. So im just wondering if the MR2 wit and 3SGTE engine in it beat 240sx wit SR20??

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A real CTR? Wow...I dont think I have ever seen one of those stateside...but then again...if you live in Cali...you probably see those alot more than us FLA boyz...

Both the 3SGTE and the SR20DET are great engines...both can hold up to 400HP on stock internals...it just will depend on who's the better driver, better tires, better suspension for launches, better clutch...etc. They both weigh around the same...if it's a S13 coupe than he's just a tad bit lighter but if it's a hatchback...then it's pretty damn close...the MR2 is around 2800 lbs...while the coupe is around 2600 lbs...but the hatchback is a bit heavier.

So take into accounts mods, other conditions, and the drivers.

My choice...I'd put my money on the SR.

i don't think it really matter if it's a real CTR or not, a sr20 s13 can pretty much beat the ITR and CTR because it's RWD and turbocharge by the same company that created the beast in the east.

the truth is, a mr2 with the 3sgte will most definitely beat a sr20 s13 coupe if you're both going at it stock. cuz the 245 HP 3sgte can pretty much beat any car stock, i've seen it take out the rx-7, s14, and made a integra type r a joke beating it by 2 full second in the 1/4 mile.

Oh I thought you were talking about the 200HP version that comes to the states...

NEVERMIND then...my answer was off...I give it to the MR2 if we are talking about that one...but that's not a fair comparison...I think you should compare it to the S15 SR that creates 250HP...in which case that's a good race to see...

yea u guyz gotta remember that the mr2 jspec has vvt-i it's like comparin a type r 2 a ka24de... u can't compare an advanced engine 2 a piece of shit... ... so if ur gonna compare a silva to an mr2 ... put them on equal levels... ... ... the s15 sr20det vs the mr2 3sgte... ... would b too close 2 call... ... thier practially da same... but does the 3sgte have a 6spd?

Originally posted by Th*GgEd_OuTtTt
ka24de...a piece of shit...

Hey Th*GgEd_OuTtTt ,

Can your car run 10's???

THEN SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!

Duy's car (powered by a KA24DE) w/a turbo kit, built bottom end, and a 150 shot of NOS ran 10.8 in the quarter mile...making it the FASTEST 240SX in the UNITED STATES...that's like 300 million Americans...and that's faster than anyone here w/an SR swap..so the engine is definitely NOT a POS like you say...

SO LAY OFF!!!

Respect please...

yea listen u retard... i won't lay off cauze a japanese car is bout' enginerring and not fucken a big piece of shit under the hood of the car... ... the only reason da 240sx ran 10's is cauze it wasn't streetable and no one really cares bout' dat shitt.... u fuck face... it's all bout' havin a car u can drive on da street an pull 10's... like the STREET 240sx that pulled 410 rwhp w/ an sr20det... not goin all da fucken way and i can bet u it can go 600hp w/ a little extra ... u retard... ... when u get a 2.0Lt engine that outputs 600hp easy (signals s15) don't say a fucken word... so u fucken lay off cauze da ka24de is a piece of shit ... and i have one.. ... it only has torque and it's only good if ur goin all motor so don't talk shit u retard...

ohhhh that fucken pissed me off soo much i'm soo gonna make a 10second street SILVA not 240sx... ... stupid ka24de... ... stupid shit

Originally posted by Th*GgEd_OuTtTt
the only reason da 240sx ran 10's is cauze it wasn't streetable and no one really cares bout' dat shitt

I think you need to check again dude. Duy's 240 is very streetable. In case if you don't believe me, check out this site http://www.houston-imports.com/duy.html and if you read then it says at the end "Duy's hardwork and willingness to push the envelope has resulted in a 240sx that not only looks good but is by far one of the quickest KA powered street cars around."

Also your post was uncalled for. All NISSANSPDR did was point out that the KA24DE isn't a POS. Then you had to start throwin out names for no reason. So just chill out :rolleyes:

ur stoooooooooooooooooopid... u can't fucken read it says it's one of the quickest ka24de powered 240sx... ... ... KA24DE... ur retard... it took soo much hard work 4 da guy just 2 make 400hp... when on a redtop sr20det u can make 400hp w/ simple mods... ... injectors, bigger turbo, intercooler, good ecu... ... and if u added a nitrous express n-tercooler... fuck .. it would make easy time... it would kill da ka24de... ... ... ur such a retard it's soo funny

Originally posted by Th*GgEd_OuTtTt
ur stoooooooooooooooooopid........ ur such a retard it's soo funny

How old are you kid? 11? 12?

Originally posted by Th*GgEd_OuTtTt
it says it's one of the quickest ka24de powered 240sx... ... ... KA24DE...

Ummm.. ok.... and your point is what with this? all your doing here is pointing out that NISSANSPDR was right by saying it has a KA24DE and it's fast.

errrrrrrrr Thugged out i think you should show nissanspdr alittle more respect then that. no one had resorted to name callin but you. have some respect for him. he knows his shit. its just that hes tryin to prove to you that the KA can have some serious potential. hes not sayin that its better then a SR. hes just sayin that if a KA is built right, it can go fast too.

It's funny how you cannot go like one sentence w/o using a curse word...I guess it just shows your maturity, IQ level, and your lack of manners too...

Next...by your name...I am assuming that you really dont have any car class...and that you probably picked up a Super Street and thought it was the best thing since sliced bread...oh how you are so wrong...

To the subject at hand...Duy's car is STILL the fastest 240SX in the USA...I havent heard of anyone beating his time...be it another KA or SR...so we (J Spec and I) are correct in defending Duy's KA power!

KA Power...yes I said that...you know why? Cuz it's a tough motor that can take a beating and keep on going...there are tons of reasons why the KA is better than the SR...but I guess you dont know them since you are a Super Street reader...

1)KA's can make 400-450HP on stock internals...that's very good for a motor that really didnt have turbo friendly compression ratios.

2)KA's are already in your car so you dont have to import one or swap one...

3)KA's are easier to maintain since hell they are US spec and mechanics know more about them than SR's...since they are not Japanese

4)You wont have to worry about looking for parts b/c it's all here in the states and you can run down to Nissan to pick up any tid bit part you need...you dont need to order from Japan or Australia or UK for SR parts

By no means am I saying that the SR is not a good motor...it's a great motor...but what I am trying POUND THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL is that the KA is a fine motor...not a POS as you say...

You troglodyte...

(Former Happy KA owner)

:bandit:

if and when i get my car(MR2) and i order a 3rd Gen 3SGTE engine will i get the 245hp stock that it comez wit in Aus and Jap?? Can any of u guyz tell me how much i can get the engine for. How much r the 93-98 rear lightz cuz i dont like the 91-92 rear lightz. :devil: :devil: :devil:

Dont u have to do alot to the KA so i can withstand the 400hp.

Keep fighin if u all want.

Do u have a site for the fastest 240sx wit KA engine??

For the MR2 questions you just asked...I refer you to the Toyota section of AF.com

As for how much do you have to do to get 400HP...it's quite simple...they make stage II kits usually...so that puts you around 300RWHP just on the kit alone...so you get yourself a good intake, downpipe, exhaust, some form of boost control...and any other elec gadgets you will want/need...like boost gauge, turbo timer, EGT gauge, and air fuel ratio gauge...and bump up the boost..provided you have a good fuel pump and injectors...you should be safe to boost up to around 14 psi...and provided you have a nice sized turbo...you could 350-380RWHP easy...which of course is OVER 400HP at the flywheel/crank.

:bandit:

Finally...I would also like to publicly THANK J Spec and TatII for backing me up...you guys are truly in my Squad...

(I am getting misty eyed...must be the dust in my room...ahem...it's nothing...really...lol)

this guy is too Hilarious, I don't even think he could read the Super Street lol...... probably doesn't know what all the numbers and letters in the engine codes even mean. He probably saw Fast and Furious and they were talking about sr20's in there like they were hot shyt and he thinks they are the sliced bread ever since lol.

aight aight ... i'll b mature bout' dis... but u gotta realize that the sr20det has soo much more potiental then the ka24de... way more... when signal pulls off 600hp easy w/ an s15 engine... ... they could of gone more radical and make like 800hp w/ a sr22det(due to the stroker kit) that's 272 hp/ lt w/ 600 hp ... when a ka24det can only make 400 when pushin' it... sr20det was created for real street racing... a light compact engine that has a great output... the ka24de was built to last and not 2 go thru harsh driving conditions by tunein' it up... you can't beat an engine that was built for preformance... ... oh yea i'm an 18 yr old soon 2 b millionaire so watch out 4 mah 600hp street 240sx... yea i'll keep da emblems ... cauze it'll b a sleeper

oh yea and i've been researchin the sr20det for like 2 years now... i gotz a 240sx 95' and yea i'm hilarious.. ... oh yea soo funny eh'... soooooooooooooooooo funny hahahahahahahaha comin from a person who can't tell his left nut from his right... and yea i don't think they talked bout' da sr20det... and yea i get alot of info from mags... ... but i kno mah shit...

whats 2 plus 2?

ummmmmm isn't it 11?

first of all I actualy don't care about people with no manners and I would have kicked you from the BB.

2nd the SR is a cheap construction! that's a fact if you don't belive me learn japanes and ask a nissan engineer over there!

3rd each engine developed by a company has certain requirements to achief.

4th talking about S13-S15 the probably best engine, regarding engineering problems and reliability, built for those cars would be the CA family.

5th I don't care what follows to this post as long as it's not constructive critics.

6th It turns me happy seeing the loyal members of this BB holding together. Go on:D

the truth is every car company make one good engine, which is the ultimate engine. every other engine is just a design for a more affordable price. nissan=skyline, toyota=supra, mazda=rx-7(now rx-8), and so on, every other engine lower is consider to have potential, but not as good as their one good engine. just my opinion because everybody love to beat a more powerful car with a lower class engine right?

Thug,

It's really not helping your situation when you mention only ONE SR that is in the 600HP range and you mention street racing as your example...

Everyone who knows something knows that street racing isnt the true measure of a car and that one car doesnt make a real good engine inferior...I mean you can get a 600HP KA-Turbo...but I mean...we can go back and forth all day and argue HP wars...but I rather not...open up your eyes and stop hating the KA

ok okay... ... ... the ka is a tru engine... sorry bout' all dat b/s... i guess it really is da driver cauze when i started racein' mah 240... i wasn't that good... but ... ... in the past week i beat 3 bmw's
... and mah car isn't even mod'd a 323ci a 330i and a 318i... CYNNNNNNN

Originally posted by Th*GgEd_OuTtTt
ok okay... ... ... the ka is a tru engine... sorry bout' all dat b/s... i guess it really is da driver cauze when i started racein' mah 240... i wasn't that good... but ... ... in the past week i beat 3 bmw's
... and mah car isn't even mod'd a 323ci a 330i and a 318i... CYNNNNNNN

He can be taught!!! LOL Glad you have finally seen the light and error of your ways...

Cuz it's all about the N I S S A N

yea i just got an injen intake and it makes da biggest different and i took da grill off between da lights ... and yea can someone suggest where i can get a pipe 2 replace mah cat... cauze i'm gettin a hotshot and apexi n1 duals

Originally posted by Th*GgEd_OuTtTt
yea i just got an injen intake and it makes da biggest different and i took da grill off between da lights ... and yea can someone suggest where i can get a pipe 2 replace mah cat... cauze i'm gettin a hotshot and apexi n1 duals

i like the single apexi N1 better then the duals. My friend has a single on his 240 and it lookz very very nice.

k thanx man

okay how can i get da 9.5 compression ration 2 a healty 8.5:1

Originally posted by Th*GgEd_OuTtTt
where i can get a pipe 2 replace mah cat

You plan on passing emissions?

Originally posted by Th*GgEd_OuTtTt
okay how can i get da 9.5 compression ration 2 a healty 8.5:1

What makes you think that a lower compression is "healty" for you car? What are you trying to do? You know on NA cars...it's better to have a higher compression ratio...you only want a lower compression ratio if you are going to go turbo...and the only way to drop your compression ratio is by getting new pistons and rods...which will cost you are $1,400-$2,000.

But of course you knew that b/c you read Shitty Street.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

hey hey no raggin on super street. i love htat mag. that mag give me good laughs. seriously~ and they got some nice japanese turner cars on it. that mag goes perfectly hand in hand with my sportcompact car. nothing wrong with either fine mag.

TatII,

There's no way you can compare a more FACT based magazine like SCC w/a F&F magazine like Shitty Street...

It's like comparing Time w/the National Enquirer. They may feature "good cars" but most of them are rice...just look nice on the outside but no get up and go...

Sometimes they some go...but those are few and far in between...

And if I want laughs...I'll either look at Maxim,Stuff, FHM or turn on Comedy Central

Originally posted by NISSANSPDR
..Maxim...FHM

Now THOSE are good magazines :D

LOL yea i'm gonna turbo mah 240sx ka24de... ... so yea i want 8.5:1 compression so i can run some decent boost when i need it... but yea i'm lookin at the xs engineering kit... it's lookin good... i'm willin 2 spend 4g's... for a turbo kit that gets u 220hp when u run it at 6.5 psi... that's good...

i dunno i don't buy super street for there honda's. i buy them if they feature nissans or if they got any cars from signal auto or bozz or any other name brand japanese tuners. in fact i dont' read shit about the honda's they feature and they only piss me off. but the few times they do got fast and nice cars. its very very nice. and there sarcasitc letters are always a plus and there tech letters are funny too. like how a guy with a GS-R read a article about LSD's on ricky's S14 and he as tryin to look for it in his car but he was lookin at the back!! lolz then he writes and the super street was like errrrrrrr the reason whe you can't find it is because theres nothing there!! you car is a FF!! lolz its for those moments that i love super street.

Originally posted by Th*GgEd_OuTtTt
LOL yea i'm gonna turbo mah 240sx ka24de... ... so yea i want 8.5:1 compression so i can run some decent boost when i need it... but yea i'm lookin at the xs engineering kit... it's lookin good... i'm willin 2 spend 4g's... for a turbo kit that gets u 220hp when u run it at 6.5 psi... that's good...

That's easy...Nsport's stage I kit gives you 240RWHP at 7 psi for about 3200 bux.

I would PERSONALLY go w/either F-Max stage II or Nsport stage II...but those will probably run you close to $5k

But w/that you will get 300RWHP+

Originally posted by TatII
i dunno i don't buy super street for there honda's. i buy them if they feature nissans or if they got any cars from signal auto or bozz or any other name brand japanese tuners. in fact i dont' read shit about the honda's they feature and they only piss me off. but the few times they do got fast and nice cars. its very very nice. and there sarcasitc letters are always a plus and there tech letters are funny too. like how a guy with a GS-R read a article about LSD's on ricky's S14 and he as tryin to look for it in his car but he was lookin at the back!! lolz then he writes and the super street was like errrrrrrr the reason whe you can't find it is because theres nothing there!! you car is a FF!! lolz its for those moments that i love super street.

DUDE!!!...has any1 seen the new IMPORT TUNER mag wit the RiceRocket integ on it. if u dont man rip off the front page the chick is hella nasty. how the fuck did she get on the cover. im guna send them a pic of me to c if i can get on the cover. i only got the mag cuz it has an MR2 in it but the MR2 is kinda rice anywayz stock ass trubo. my dad got a 2000 accord and an car oction* for 4k. i told him to get me a 91-94 MR2 and he said he can get that shit for under 1000$. man. i cant get for my MR2. im guna get the 3rd. Gen 3SGTE. thatz fucking 245HP stock. if u want to c MR2 and 240sx go to www.cartunemotorsports.com
itz MR2 and 240sx heaven.

hey servingupsumrice, if u want an engine. Check out the one that www.suprastore.com is selling. I think u should get the suprastore engine over the 245hp 3SGTE u are lookin at. hehe, a 700whp racing altezza 3SGTE engine. I think that could help u decide which car is better, your mr2 or your friend's 240sx. :flipa:

I love 240SX's and the SR20, but after playing and watching soo much initial D, it has rekindled my love for the RX-7. What do u guys think i should get? a 95 240sx with strawberry face conversion and S15 Sr20, or go rotary power with an FD3S???

I love 240SX's and the SR20, but after playing and watching soo much initial D, it has rekindled my love for the RX-7. What do u guys think i should get? a 95 240sx with strawberry face conversion and S15 Sr20, or go rotary power with an FD3S??? :flipa:

FD3S kicks ass........ sure there are some down parts to them but they handle great, sound cool...... are fast, and have good style.

the gen III mr2 turbo engine is 245 at the flywheel which is about 200 sumthing at the wheels. 700hp altezza 3sgte? the altezzas come with a 3sge engine, thats a picture of the Top Secret Supra w/ a T88 powered, 720rwhp, MR2 engine. the MR2 powered Top Secret Supra is on the cover of the September 2001 issue of Super Street. http://store5.yimg.com/I/supra_1708_237436
a nice example of a turbocharged 3sge (HKS 3037) is the Track Attack Altezza that HKS built, its 600rwhp. check out the april 2001 issue of super street. another example of a MR2 is the Garage Fukui MR2 that's also powered by a T88, i think it makes 670 sumthing hp.

How much do the 240sx sr20's sell for.???? theres this kid i know who hasntt got a car yet.. but insist hes getting one of them ... and Hooking it fully up for 10g's which ... he says itl be nearing 400hp or more.. by the time get gets it.. i think the kids full of crap.. but what you guys think of this... i mean if he isnt.. the cudos to him but.. im just curious i dont know much about this car... .. and how much would it cost to fully mod it out... i dont know but this ticks me off when lil rich boys get what they want i just wanna know if hes telln tha truth.. get back to me

Originally posted by markehrett
How much do the 240sx sr20's sell for.???? theres this kid i know who hasntt got a car yet.. but insist hes getting one of them ... and Hooking it fully up for 10g's which ... he says itl be nearing 400hp or more.. by the time get gets it.. i think the kids full of crap.. but what you guys think of this... i mean if he isnt.. the cudos to him but.. im just curious i dont know much about this car... .. and how much would it cost to fully mod it out... i dont know but this ticks me off when lil rich boys get what they want i just wanna know if hes telln tha truth.. get back to me

Well, none of the 240SX's here came with SR20's so if he is telling the truth then somebody swapped in the SR20 into the 240. With 10,000 he probably will have close to 400hp or possibly even more. I don't know what you mean by "fully mod it out" because there are almost endless things you can do to an engine.

the engine in the top secret supra is not a lll gen mr2 engine it is out of a celica gt4 st205 they come with 245hp for 94-95 and 255 for 95-98 i thnk it has the 255 hp engine in it and those engines can go well over 700wrhp. they put it in the supra to make it an mr its considerd an mr because the engine is behind the front axles so it can handle better.

two posts ago 2002... these last two posts 2003....

do I see a problem here?

hahah
:screwy:

the engine in the top secret supra is not a lll gen mr2 engine it is out of a celica gt4 st205 they come with 245hp for 94-95 and 255 for 95-98 i thnk it has the 255 hp engine in it and those engines can go well over 700wrhp. they put it in the supra to make it an mr its considerd an mr because the engine is behind the front axles so it can handle better.

mr2 engines are basically the same as the celica all trac engines.

MR2 3SGTE(3rd Gen J-spec) vs. 240sx wit S13 SR20??

the mr2 will beat the 240.
even if the 240 had the same power, the mr2 will still beat it. the mr2 has its engine right in front of its rear axle, almost on top of it, more weight over the rear tires for better traction, so it takes off better, and it doesnt have a driveshaft, so less power loss.

the engine in the top secret supra is not a lll gen mr2 engine it is out of a celica gt4 st205 they come with 245hp for 94-95 and 255 for 95-98 i thnk it has the 255 hp engine in it and those engines can go well over 700wrhp. they put it in the supra to make it an mr its considerd an mr because the engine is behind the front axles so it can handle better.

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