Blackcrow64's Talon TSi AWD Project Progress Thread... (SOLD)

where are all the pics?

They were all on my old server when I had them in this thread but then everything got changed around and I upgraded to a better setup and I just haven't gotten all the pics migrated over yet. I just have the more recent ones from the last week on there. I am gonna try to get it all moved over this weekend so I can get some more stuff setup on there.


Im waiting for my email when trying to register. That's pretty cool you have your own site and it looks pretty legit.
Let me know if you don't get the email for it. I tested everything out before and it worked but the system seemed a little flakey still. I'm not sure if I have everything setup right or not still... That's why you guys are gonna be my guinea pigs for it. :biggrin:

*EDIT*
Ned, about what time did you register? I may have to manually force emails to be sent if it doesn't work automatically... I figure I'd give it a 24 hour period on its own first to see if it goes through or not.

I did it this morning when I posted on here. Still haven't gotten the email yet...

I did it this morning when I posted on here. Still haven't gotten the email yet...

Crap... So much for being automated... I'll push the emails out tonight.

Nice job so far on the site. Keep it up

Nice job so far on the site. Keep it up

Thanks.



I just spend the last 2 hours messing with the automated emails and it doesn't look like I'll be able to get it to work right... I'm not sure what's wrong with it. I didn't even get my admin email notifying me of users creating accounts. It's being all sorts of retarded now. :runaround:

I did push out emails though.

I am in!1!! Nice story by the way.

I just got home from getting everything back together. Turned out I needed a new balance shaft elimination kit as the balance stub is what completely seized up in the oil pump. I didn't realize that it wasn't part of the oil pump since it was seized in there so bad. It should have slid right out. I was looking over the new pump before I put it in was was like wtf is going on here... My buddy had a spare elimination kit though in his garage, so he saved the day so I could get on with reassembling everything. Monday I'm off from work again and then hopefully it'll be start up time! I'll post more details and pics tonight on here and the site when I get home. Got a big night planned. :naughty:

Updated post...

The joys of seized bearings... (http://www.talonproject.com/?p=43)

I figure I'll just link you guys directly to the latest post rather than retyping it all and reposting pictures here. Yeah, I'm gettin lazy. lol :p

or just copying and pasting?

or just copying and pasting?

That's still too much work. lol
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Just got in from workin on the Talon. Been up for over 24 hours working non-stop. Have lots of pictures and the car is for the most part back together. Updates and pics will come tomorrow sometime...

I can't wait to see it all back together.

keep up the good work buddy

Another updated post... This one has all I did Monday with lots of pictures for the people who love to look rather than read. lol...


The timing belt blues... (http://www.talonproject.com/?p=53)


Enjoy... Tomorrow should be crank day... :)


Oh and I got some awesome custom plates today too! You'll get to see those in about a week or so when they get here. ;)

Today was NOT crank day...

Changed the UICP for hood clearance, found a crack in my oil pan, reinstalled my starter (happened to find it out of the car and had forgotten about it) and got screwed by UPS' 2 day shipping deal... "Supposedly" my transfer case output seal is supposed to be here tomorrow...

Fingers crossed that tomorrow WILL be crank day...

I fail... Totally forgot my laptop yesterday to tune DSMLink... :banghead:


Taking it to work with me today and then headed over there to start the car... Wish me luck... :uhoh:

Can't wait for an update.

Eff DSM's...

It hates me...

It back to a stock ECU now with the translator and AFC on it cause it won't run... Fuel, spark, timing. It's all there but it still won't fire. WTF? Tried changing the CAS 180 degrees to eliminate that. Nothing has changed since November when it ran just fine everything as it is. Thoughts?

Wtf...:2cents:

is it cranking?

Eff me sideways... Seriously...

Tore the head out today and found every single one of my intake valves had smacked the pistons and were bent. :banghead:

It's in a million pieces once again...

That blows, how the hell did that happen? Did this happen when the BS bearing went and you just didn't check them out or did something else happen?

That is super sucky, did you order some no valves?

Ouch. That sucks badly. Get some new valves overnighted and get it up. So close!

Back when the oil pump seized from the balance shaft stub seizing, it must have jumped the timing right before the oil pump sprocket broke... That would explain the noise I heard back then (when the sprocket broke) but the car kept running and then slowly turned off as it bent one valve at a time... They are so ever slightly bent that they are still moving, thus why I had no clearance issue while turning the motor this time. They just aren't sealing up perfect when closed... It's amazing how much work you can accomplish in 4 hours when your pissed and just ripping it all out. I didn't want to at all, but I guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do... A new set of ss 1mm oversized intake valves are on their way and I should have them by Wednesday... Hopefully I can get the car running by the weekend... (which I work:()

Also, another new possible problem has been brought to my attention tonight...

Possibly clearance issues with my oversized valves and the pistons valve pockets even when it is in time... Anybody else running oversized valves in their motor that could clue me in as to if they had to machine their pistons for this clearance issue? I'm not sure how much if any clearance is there now. The head was machined to fit the valves but I didn't give it a thought that there could be a problem with the valve pockets on the pistons...

Here are the specs on my pistons...

- Stroke: 3.465" (88mm)
- Rod Length: 5.905 (150mm)
- Compression Height: 1.378 (35mm)
- Head cc's: 47
- Dome Dish: -10
- Gasket Thickness: .042" (1.1mm)
- Deck Clearance: 0
- Block Height: 9.015: (229mm)
- Compression Ratio: 9.0:1
- Pin Diameter: .827" (21mm)

Any clues as to how I can tell before putting this whole thing back together again? I'm assuming the Deck Clearance is the clearance at TDC with the head? Hmmm...

I was gonna text you this, but my phone is being a POS, so I gave up.

Was the block and/or head ever decked? If so, do you know how much? You should get them measured to make sure. If they're close to maximum machining, you MAY be having some clearance issues (I say may because I haven't had experience with oversized valves, I'm just going off of the fact that these motors have such close interference tolerances), but if you've still got alot of material to work with, you should not be having any issues.

My guess is still that you bent the valves when you broke the oil pump sprocket, it's the only thing that makes logical sense. When you broke the oil sprocket, it spun the crank but skipped on the intake sprocket and wham...bend-o valve-o.

I was gonna text you this, but my phone is being a POS, so I gave up.

Was the block and/or head ever decked? If so, do you know how much? You should get them measured to make sure. If they're close to maximum machining, you MAY be having some clearance issues (I say may because I haven't had experience with oversized valves, I'm just going off of the fact that these motors have such close interference tolerances), but if you've still got alot of material to work with, you should not be having any issues.

My guess is still that you bent the valves when you broke the oil pump sprocket, it's the only thing that makes logical sense. When you broke the oil sprocket, it spun the crank but skipped on the intake sprocket and wham...bend-o valve-o.
I am really hoping that is when they bent, but since I didn't check my timing before tearing it apart, I have no clue... I don't think it was decked when I had my machine work done, but it's possible... The guy who originally put the motor together had built hundreds of 4g63's and I would have thought he would have pointed out a problem to me if there was a clearance issue when he was assembling it...

Is there something I could do to make up the difference on the clearance if there is an issue there? I'm running the MLS head gasket which helps some (.051) on the thickness, but is there something else I could do besides finding a new head and/or block? Damn interference motors...

If you really need a 6 bolt head, I might be able to get my hands on the one I use to have. The guy I gave it to still has it.

We'll see. I'm taking my head to a guy today to have him check my valve guides for damage and to replace my valves... If the clearance issue is still there after I get it back then I may have to get a stock head for the time being unless I can find a thicker head gasket to compensate for the lack of clearance... I think the MLS one I have though is the thickest they make...

Ok, so I talked to the guy who is gonna work on it and it won't be till next week when he can look at my head and I can get it back the beginning of the following week... Hopefully the guides aren't screwed up on it...

Wow, I thought I had bad luck with cars. Sorry bout your troubles man, that sucks. I know how you feel.

I just updated the website with some details and lots of pictures... I'm sure you guys will find this latest entry title humorous...

It's alive! It's alive! It's... Dead? (http://www.talonproject.com/?p=59)

Just my luck with this car... :lol:

Nice post, can't wait to see the finished product.

My buddy still has that head so let me know.

EDIT:Update update

Just a little update. Called the machine shop cause my phone has been acting up and I wondered if I never got his call. It has been almost 2 weeks and he still hasn't touched it yet... :(

The Talon will def not be at the Chicago meet this year. Blah...

Just a little update. Called the machine shop cause my phone has been acting up and I wondered if I never got his call. It has been almost 2 weeks and he still hasn't touched it yet... :(

The Talon will def not be at the Chicago meet this year. Blah...

WHAT!?!?! Why hasn't he touched it? You have deadlines! I wouldn't pay him

That's crap, he's had 2 weeks and he hasn't even started it?

:1: that is crap! have you atleast let him know that you kinda REALLY need to get the car running? lol like, its about damn time? i guess, with how long its been down, whats another few days... but still, you could call him and tell them for every day longer, your paying less. that should get the ball rollin...:nono:

I did call and talk to him about it to try to get the ball rollin but when I took it to him I already knew he had several other motors he was working on before mine. However he said it would only take a week or so and he should have it done. Looks like it's taking a little longer than he expected. I don't wanna give the guy a hard time and then have him end up half assing it cause of me getting on his case about it. He is one of the best guys around here and that is why I'm having him do it. All in good time guys...

All in good time guys...

Define good haha. THis project has been ridiculously good time.

I can't believe it still isn't running running yet :(

Hope it works well for you

PS
You didn't want to go to Chicago anyways too many people get shot there.

I can't believe it still isn't running running yet :(

Hope it works well for you

PS
You didn't want to go to Chicago anyways too many people get shot there.

Haha. Long time, no see man!

Technically it did run for about 15 minutes in November. lol... :wink:

I can't believe it still isn't running running yet :(

Hope it works well for you

PS
You didn't want to go to Chicago anyways too many people get shot there.

Heeeeey... this is a good part of Chicago. We may have our ghettos and violence, but I made it through a Chicago Public High School in one piece so :p

Whenever you get it running you need to make like a thousand videos....we deserve it

Whenever you get it running you need to make like a thousand videos....we deserve it

Haha... Oh I will, don't worry. I have a few ideas planned for it already... :wink:

four days... nothings changed?

four days... nothings changed?

Nope. I was on vacation Fri-Sun with the gf and didn't think once about it. Still didn't hear from the guy today so I'm assuming he still hasn't touched it... I'll give him through this week and if I don't hear from him then he'll be getting another phone call cause I would like to work on it this coming weekend while I'm off work...

Update...

Called the machine shop today since I was home anyways and he just happened to be starting on my head when I called. Awesomeness... So I should get it back tomorrow or Thursday he said...

That's about the only good news as of late...

suck! at least its getting closer to done, rather then just sitting... lol your so close now

Good news. An update!

The head hath returned! (http://www.talonproject.com/?p=63)

Great man. Glad you got the last piece to the puzzle

now we can just see which one of our cars will be on the road first!!! best of luck to you!! can't wait for some awesome vids/pics!!

now we can just see which one of our cars will be on the road first!!! best of luck to you!! can't wait for some awesome vids/pics!!

Your Galant still isn't on the road? I thought it was... Or did you just get another new toy? lol

Just a little update... Finished assembling the head and put it back on the motor and put everything else back together... Just need to do timing belt tomorrow or Wednesday and then I should be good to give it a start up AGAIN on Thursday or Friday depending on my schedule for the week.

Cross your fingers for me that nothing else decides to break on start up... :uhoh:

ohh buddy I hope I hope!

:1: rooting for you Brian!!!

Everything is done!

Tomorrow I just need to fix the slack in my throttle cable and add fluids and we are good to crank that biatch!! :biggrin:

its tomorrow.... lol im stoked! is it alive???? video of the first (successful) start up?

video pleasee