Need more power!!!
riight112
08-08-2002, 08:42 PM
I have a 99 civic dx hatch with an AEM cai and a Greddy SP exhaust. I want to complete the breathing by adding a header. I was wondering how much gain will I get by adding the header. Any suggestions on what brand to get? Neuspeed? DC Sports? Another question is whether to get ceramic or stainless steel??
white97ex
08-08-2002, 09:17 PM
stainless steel will be the better of the two. sure it changes color due to the extreme heat of the eshaust gasses. but it will hold up better than a ceramic coated unit. ceramic coated units are typically a cheaper steal coated with the ceramic and have a tendency to rust and crack at the welds. i feel you will be happier with a stainless unit. unless money is a major issue.
as for brand. they are all about the same. DC is an exellent unit. there is a new one, not sure of the brand the name has slipped my mind. it has been in the last few issues of turbo magazine....or maybe its import tuner.....which ever one has "power pages" they tested it on a 5th gen civic hatch and made impressive numbers on a tired motor.
the next question is whether you want tri-y (4-2-1) or a 4-1 unit. they both make power differently. i forget which gives power in what range. someone who knows more will have to share that information
as for brand. they are all about the same. DC is an exellent unit. there is a new one, not sure of the brand the name has slipped my mind. it has been in the last few issues of turbo magazine....or maybe its import tuner.....which ever one has "power pages" they tested it on a 5th gen civic hatch and made impressive numbers on a tired motor.
the next question is whether you want tri-y (4-2-1) or a 4-1 unit. they both make power differently. i forget which gives power in what range. someone who knows more will have to share that information
Fliquer
08-08-2002, 09:26 PM
Hotshot headers are good too
JasonAccord98LX
08-09-2002, 12:02 AM
The 4-2-1 header is designed to make mid-range torque. The 4-1 header is designed to make power in the high rpm range, like 5000 rpm on up. On a internally stock motor like yours, you are better off to go with the 4-2-1. If you went with the 4-1 you would actually lose low end torque and the gains wouldnt start until your car was almost tached out.
Get the 4-2-1. And neuspeed makes good headers too. I would go with either neuspeed or DC.:D
Get the 4-2-1. And neuspeed makes good headers too. I would go with either neuspeed or DC.:D
riight112
08-09-2002, 12:42 AM
Does Neuspeed make a header for me? I have a 1999 civic dx (d16y7). I am having trouble finding a listing for a neuspeed header for my car. Do they even make one for me? Also, dc sports only makes a 4-1 header for my car, so that means I would actually lose some of the low and mid range power right? Dang, not having an Ex is a real pain. Does anyone else make a good header for my car? Thanks for all the helpful info.
riight112
08-09-2002, 02:13 AM
Ok, I was searching and found it on import tuner. Turns out that Landspeed Racing and HP Racing Motorsports makes a good header. I checked and saw that Landspeed Racing makes a stainless steel 4-2-1 for my 99 hatch, but HP Racing makes a stainless steel 4-2-1 for 96-98. Question: Will the HP Racing header for 96-98 civic fit my 99 dx? The import tuner page listed the HP Racing header yielding more gains and it's cheaper than the Landspeed one too! Anyone have one of these headers one their car? Any experiences or opinions?? Thanks to everyone and white97ex!
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0201it_topproducts/index.html
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0201it_topproducts/index.html
Duatone
08-10-2002, 08:23 PM
get a jackson racing header or something similar. if you notice, and i know, DC is a good brand, but if you notice, it doesn't extend very far off the block and then BAM!, an instant 90 degree bend that your shoving your exhaust through, which a jackson extend a little further off the block , then has a gradual bend. think of it this way, would something move faster if it is moving in gradual bends? or if its slamming itself into the wall before it begins to bend? just a thought...
sohcvtec
08-19-2002, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by white97ex
stainless steel will be the better of the two. sure it changes color due to the extreme heat of the eshaust gasses. but it will hold up better than a ceramic coated unit. ceramic coated units are typically a cheaper steal coated with the ceramic and have a tendency to rust and crack at the welds. i feel you will be happier with a stainless unit. unless money is a major issue.
as for brand. they are all about the same. DC is an exellent unit. there is a new one, not sure of the brand the name has slipped my mind. it has been in the last few issues of turbo magazine....or maybe its import tuner.....which ever one has "power pages" they tested it on a 5th gen civic hatch and made impressive numbers on a tired motor.
the next question is whether you want tri-y (4-2-1) or a 4-1 unit. they both make power differently. i forget which gives power in what range. someone who knows more will have to share that information
"7.0 hp and 2.7lbs of torqe tested by turbo magazine in 7/02". i didnt read the article but powercore advertises it headers with that quote.
stainless steel will be the better of the two. sure it changes color due to the extreme heat of the eshaust gasses. but it will hold up better than a ceramic coated unit. ceramic coated units are typically a cheaper steal coated with the ceramic and have a tendency to rust and crack at the welds. i feel you will be happier with a stainless unit. unless money is a major issue.
as for brand. they are all about the same. DC is an exellent unit. there is a new one, not sure of the brand the name has slipped my mind. it has been in the last few issues of turbo magazine....or maybe its import tuner.....which ever one has "power pages" they tested it on a 5th gen civic hatch and made impressive numbers on a tired motor.
the next question is whether you want tri-y (4-2-1) or a 4-1 unit. they both make power differently. i forget which gives power in what range. someone who knows more will have to share that information
"7.0 hp and 2.7lbs of torqe tested by turbo magazine in 7/02". i didnt read the article but powercore advertises it headers with that quote.
strodda
08-25-2002, 07:22 PM
i read on a site that when installing new headers, they said to first drain the oil... do you really have to? cause i was gonna install headers soon, but i dont know how to change my oil ... never wanted to deal with it, so i always paid someone.
hondatool
08-26-2002, 12:31 PM
if u want more power i would just sell the parts i have now and keep the money for the header and save a bit more for a turbo or SC set up...worth the money...just save a little...u can find a good used kit from show cars or people who have gone broke at... www.thepartstrader.com thats where ive gotten mine
tenzoracerevovii
08-28-2002, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by strodda
i read on a site that when installing new headers, they said to first drain the oil... do you really have to? cause i was gonna install headers soon, but i dont know how to change my oil ... never wanted to deal with it, so i always paid someone.
even if you don't wanna deal w/ it, you should learn how. You'll save a lot of money doing oil changes at home. and about your question, i have no idea. i wouldn't think so since the oil (shouldn't) be going through the hotside. But maybe i'm wrong, i never installed a header before..........
i read on a site that when installing new headers, they said to first drain the oil... do you really have to? cause i was gonna install headers soon, but i dont know how to change my oil ... never wanted to deal with it, so i always paid someone.
even if you don't wanna deal w/ it, you should learn how. You'll save a lot of money doing oil changes at home. and about your question, i have no idea. i wouldn't think so since the oil (shouldn't) be going through the hotside. But maybe i'm wrong, i never installed a header before..........
thebobs
08-30-2002, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by strodda
i read on a site that when installing new headers, they said to first drain the oil... do you really have to? cause i was gonna install headers soon, but i dont know how to change my oil ... never wanted to deal with it, so i always paid someone.
its really not hard. u put a pan under your car, unscrew the oil pan screw, drain all the oil, put the screw back in, change the filter, and refill. if u know what you're doing u can do it 15 minutes easy. and its not messy unless u use no common sense. :p
i read on a site that when installing new headers, they said to first drain the oil... do you really have to? cause i was gonna install headers soon, but i dont know how to change my oil ... never wanted to deal with it, so i always paid someone.
its really not hard. u put a pan under your car, unscrew the oil pan screw, drain all the oil, put the screw back in, change the filter, and refill. if u know what you're doing u can do it 15 minutes easy. and its not messy unless u use no common sense. :p
strodda
08-30-2002, 01:45 AM
well i guess ill try it sooner than later since i have a change due soon.
on a side note, im frustrated as hell. i got my header today, but i cant install it for a couple months cause i have to wait until after i get smogged. and i cant do that until i get the papers sent from the dmv.
the header i bought isnt carb exempt, and if i put them on now, id have to change them back to stock for testing, and then put the new set back after that. im not worried about the work involved, but i would have to buy 2 more sets of gaskets. and i dont wanna spend another $70.
on a side note, im frustrated as hell. i got my header today, but i cant install it for a couple months cause i have to wait until after i get smogged. and i cant do that until i get the papers sent from the dmv.
the header i bought isnt carb exempt, and if i put them on now, id have to change them back to stock for testing, and then put the new set back after that. im not worried about the work involved, but i would have to buy 2 more sets of gaskets. and i dont wanna spend another $70.
tenzoracerevovii
08-30-2002, 01:49 AM
ahhh....that sucks. What kind of header did you get? Was it a lot cheaper then the DC cuz it probably would've saved you the hassle and you could've put it on rite now. Probably get good power from it too.........
VelocityTrends
09-03-2002, 12:33 AM
DC Sport Ceramic are just as fine as any other and the price is great! Headers usually give you 6-8 HP depending on your setup!
www.velocitytrends.com
http://vtcc10.tripod.com/73b32d90.jpg
www.velocitytrends.com
http://vtcc10.tripod.com/73b32d90.jpg
jimmyfunk
09-04-2002, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by VelocityTrends
DC Sport Ceramic are just as fine as any other and the price is great! Headers usually give you 6-8 HP depending on your setup!
www.velocitytrends.com
http://vtcc10.tripod.com/73b32d90.jpg
spoken like a true dealer! With the car that you're running (B18 all motor drag car) headers are essential to the performance of your car. But that is about the ONLY circumstance where I can see spending $300+ for this part. 2-8HP for this kind of money is laughable in my opinion. And unless you are planning on seriousely building an ALL OUT ALL-MOTOR drag car...you will never see the results of the install. If you're someone who is not going to spend more than $4000 building a real engine....or you are ever going to consider going forced induction with your car....ask yourself, is it really worth it?
DC Sport Ceramic are just as fine as any other and the price is great! Headers usually give you 6-8 HP depending on your setup!
www.velocitytrends.com
http://vtcc10.tripod.com/73b32d90.jpg
spoken like a true dealer! With the car that you're running (B18 all motor drag car) headers are essential to the performance of your car. But that is about the ONLY circumstance where I can see spending $300+ for this part. 2-8HP for this kind of money is laughable in my opinion. And unless you are planning on seriousely building an ALL OUT ALL-MOTOR drag car...you will never see the results of the install. If you're someone who is not going to spend more than $4000 building a real engine....or you are ever going to consider going forced induction with your car....ask yourself, is it really worth it?
Self
09-04-2002, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by jimmyfunk
spoken like a true dealer! With the car that you're running (B18 all motor drag car) headers are essential to the performance of your car. But that is about the ONLY circumstance where I can see spending $300+ for this part. 2-8HP for this kind of money is laughable in my opinion. And unless you are planning on seriousely building an ALL OUT ALL-MOTOR drag car...you will never see the results of the install. If you're someone who is not going to spend more than $4000 building a real engine....or you are ever going to consider going forced induction with your car....ask yourself, is it really worth it?
If you ever plan on going forced induction, this mod is a waste of money. Like others have said, expect to see about an 8hp gain. If you plan adding cams, cam gears, working the head, or stroking the engine than I say for it. If most of that is unlikely, there are better places to spend your money than headers. Just my opinion.
Oh, and also, the best way to go about it is to purchased stainless steel headers and HAVE them ceramic coated. All the strength of the allmighty SS header, with the pristine finish of a ceramic coating! http://www.jet-hot.com does ceramic coating of headers if you want to check it out.
spoken like a true dealer! With the car that you're running (B18 all motor drag car) headers are essential to the performance of your car. But that is about the ONLY circumstance where I can see spending $300+ for this part. 2-8HP for this kind of money is laughable in my opinion. And unless you are planning on seriousely building an ALL OUT ALL-MOTOR drag car...you will never see the results of the install. If you're someone who is not going to spend more than $4000 building a real engine....or you are ever going to consider going forced induction with your car....ask yourself, is it really worth it?
If you ever plan on going forced induction, this mod is a waste of money. Like others have said, expect to see about an 8hp gain. If you plan adding cams, cam gears, working the head, or stroking the engine than I say for it. If most of that is unlikely, there are better places to spend your money than headers. Just my opinion.
Oh, and also, the best way to go about it is to purchased stainless steel headers and HAVE them ceramic coated. All the strength of the allmighty SS header, with the pristine finish of a ceramic coating! http://www.jet-hot.com does ceramic coating of headers if you want to check it out.
rx racer
09-12-2002, 08:39 AM
Why waste your money on headers for 8hp more. Save up your money and get a turbo if you want some real power.
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